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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:03:45 PM EDT
https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/New-contract-award-deliver-17-new-Block-III-Super-Hornet-aircraft-and-critical-technical-data
The U.S. Navy awarded The Boeing Company a $1.3 billion contract March 19 for the purchase of 17 F/A-18 Super Hornets and delivery of a technical data package vital to the sustainment of the platform.  US Navy Orders 17 F/A-18 Super Hornets |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:08:16 PM EDT
[#1]
The F-35 is delayed and limping along, they should just order 100 SH and buy themselves more time
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:10:17 PM EDT
[#2]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cone256: The F-35 is delayed and limping along, they should just order 100 SH and buy themselves more time How do I subscribe to your magazine? |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:11:54 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By KA3B: https://www.navair.navy.mil/news/New-contract-award-deliver-17-new-Block-III-Super-Hornet-aircraft-and-critical-technical-data The U.S. Navy awarded The Boeing Company a $1.3 billion contract March 19 for the purchase of 17 F/A-18 Super Hornets and delivery of a technical data package vital to the sustainment of the platform.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X93SBiHWLXk |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:12:07 PM EDT
[#4]
No…group buy…1000!
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:16:17 PM EDT
[#5]
Fighter procurement in this country these days reminds me of nothing so much as a scene in a movie where someone shot an RPG at an outhouse.
"What a mess!" |
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:32:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cone256: The F-35 is delayed and limping along, they should just order 100 SH and buy themselves more time Lol, over 1000 F35’s in all three variants have been delivered. The F18 super hornet delivery is part of a contract to convert all of its block II variants to block III. Boeing will no longer be producing it in 2025. The F18 super hornet will remain in service through 2033. The plan was never to replace all the F18 super hornets with F35’s. They will be running a mix of the block III’s and F35C’s. The newer F18 super hornets will eventually all be replaced with the F35C and 6th generation fighters. Not unlike how the navy replaced the F14. They started replacement with the F18, then the super hornets and eventually replaced everything with super hornets. It would be impossible to replace everything all at once. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:38:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Krombompulos_Michael: Lol, over 1000 F35’s in all three variants have been delivered. The F18 super hornet delivery is part of a contract to convert all of its block II variants to block III. Boeing will no longer be producing it in 2025. The F18 super hornet will remain in service through 2033. The plan was never to replace all the F18 super hornets with F35’s. They will be running a mix of the block III’s and F35C’s. The newer F18 super hornets will eventually all be replaced with the F35C and 6th generation fighters. Not unlike how the navy replaced the F14. They started replacement with the F18, then the super hornets and eventually replaced everything with super hornets. It would be impossible to replace everything all at once. Let's be honest - any dates set will be extended by a decade at the very least. Not a plane guy but this is the pattern, easy to see for anyone with a pulse. Budget money for it, shift it around so it can get skimmed, re-directed or sent to buddies, maybe the things that were supposed to happen actually do a decade or more later. After taxpayers get raped again through additional money printing. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:43:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KA3B: How do I subscribe to your magazine? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KA3B: Originally Posted By cone256: The F-35 is delayed and limping along, they should just order 100 SH and buy themselves more time How do I subscribe to your magazine? #DEEPINTEL! 
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:44:03 PM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cone256: The F-35 is delayed and limping along, they should just order 100 SH and buy themselves more time on what planet? |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:45:25 PM EDT
[Last Edit: cone256]
[#10]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Krombompulos_Michael: Lol, over 1000 F35’s in all three variants have been delivered. The F18 super hornet delivery is part of a contract to convert all of its block II variants to block III. Boeing will no longer be producing it in 2025. The F18 super hornet will remain in service through 2033. The plan was never to replace all the F18 super hornets with F35’s. They will be running a mix of the block III’s and F35C’s. The newer F18 super hornets will eventually all be replaced with the F35C and 6th generation fighters. Not unlike how the navy replaced the F14. They started replacement with the F18, then the super hornets and eventually replaced everything with super hornets. It would be impossible to replace everything all at once. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Krombompulos_Michael: Originally Posted By cone256: The F-35 is delayed and limping along, they should just order 100 SH and buy themselves more time Lol, over 1000 F35’s in all three variants have been delivered. The F18 super hornet delivery is part of a contract to convert all of its block II variants to block III. Boeing will no longer be producing it in 2025. The F18 super hornet will remain in service through 2033. The plan was never to replace all the F18 super hornets with F35’s. They will be running a mix of the block III’s and F35C’s. The newer F18 super hornets will eventually all be replaced with the F35C and 6th generation fighters. Not unlike how the navy replaced the F14. They started replacement with the F18, then the super hornets and eventually replaced everything with super hornets. It would be impossible to replace everything all at once. Yes a whole bunch of F-35s have been delivered but it still can't do what it was designed to do yet. That'll take another decade and billions more dollars that'll eat up that 6th Gen budget. Then you're left with worn out non-airworthy F/A-18E/Fs with no replacements because the F-35 production line is already running at capacity. Not to mention all of the aircraft you have to send to depot to get the "upgrades" of things they should've had all along. There's going to be a huge gap in fighter numbers in both the Navy and AF. The AF has the same problem that has an easy solution. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:47:52 PM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Krombompulos_Michael: Boeing will no longer be producing it in 2025. Pssstttt.....Delivery of the new Super Hornets is scheduled to begin in the winter of 2026, with final delivery no later than spring 2027. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:47:59 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LeadBreakfast: Let's be honest - any dates set will be extended by a decade at the very least. Not a plane guy but this is the pattern, easy to see for anyone with a pulse. Budget money for it, shift it around so it can get skimmed, re-directed or sent to buddies, maybe the things that were supposed to happen actually do a decade or more later. After taxpayers get raped again through additional money printing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LeadBreakfast: Originally Posted By Krombompulos_Michael: Lol, over 1000 F35’s in all three variants have been delivered. The F18 super hornet delivery is part of a contract to convert all of its block II variants to block III. Boeing will no longer be producing it in 2025. The F18 super hornet will remain in service through 2033. The plan was never to replace all the F18 super hornets with F35’s. They will be running a mix of the block III’s and F35C’s. The newer F18 super hornets will eventually all be replaced with the F35C and 6th generation fighters. Not unlike how the navy replaced the F14. They started replacement with the F18, then the super hornets and eventually replaced everything with super hornets. It would be impossible to replace everything all at once. Let's be honest - any dates set will be extended by a decade at the very least. Not a plane guy but this is the pattern, easy to see for anyone with a pulse. Budget money for it, shift it around so it can get skimmed, re-directed or sent to buddies, maybe the things that were supposed to happen actually do a decade or more later. After taxpayers get raped again through additional money printing. None of the fighter programs were delivered as originally scheduled. There are always delays in development and production and experienced price increases along the way. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:58:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KA3B: Pssstttt.....Delivery of the new Super Hornets is scheduled to begin in the winter of 2026, with final delivery no later than spring 2027. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KA3B: Originally Posted By Krombompulos_Michael: Boeing will no longer be producing it in 2025. Pssstttt.....Delivery of the new Super Hornets is scheduled to begin in the winter of 2026, with final delivery no later than spring 2027. https://www.janes.com/amp/boeing-to-close-fa-18-super-hornet-production-line-in-2025/ZnlJK3dHVU9mZ28xajRJVkc5dVI5VFp1cVMwPQ2 They will finish production of the airframes. Fitting them out to the desired specifications will be done over the following year until final delivery. For example, the 1000th airframe for the F35 was built in February 2023, but it wasn’t delivered until a year later. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:03:14 PM EDT
[#14]
Good, keep the production running so we can build replacements when we go to war with China.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:14:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Krombompulos_Michael: https://www.janes.com/amp/boeing-to-close-fa-18-super-hornet-production-line-in-2025/ZnlJK3dHVU9mZ28xajRJVkc5dVI5VFp1cVMwPQ2 They will finish production of the airframes. Fitting them out to the desired specifications will be done over the following year until final delivery. For example, the 1000th airframe for the F35 was built in February 2023, but it wasn’t delivered until a year later. Guys like you are the reasons why the real aviation experts won't respond to these threads. Try using Google (it's a motherfucker) to find CURRENT information. Like this: https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/us-navy-orders-17-additional-fa-18ef-super-hornets "The new procurement extends the life of Boeing's St Louis, Missouri F/A-18 line, which was scheduled to close in 2025 without additional orders." Let's see you argue your way out of this.  |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:17:57 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ArmedKulak: Good, keep the production running so we can build replacements when we go to war with China. too bad we've let so many of their agents into our country and into sensitive positions...eh? |
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MP, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:22:35 PM EDT
[#17]
$76,470,588.20 per plane and support per plane. It just seems like a lot of money.
What is the breakdown per plane roughly? As delivered Upfit for spec equipment Support tools Spare parts Training Maintenance |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:23:24 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cone256: Yes a whole bunch of F-35s have been delivered but it still can't do what it was designed to do yet. That'll take another decade and billions more dollars that'll eat up that 6th Gen budget. Then you're left with worn out non-airworthy F/A-18E/Fs with no replacements because the F-35 production line is already running at capacity. Not to mention all of the aircraft you have to send to depot to get the "upgrades" of things they should've had all along. There's going to be a huge gap in fighter numbers in both the Navy and AF. The AF has the same problem that has an easy solution. 35s and 18s are built by different companies, not on the same line. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:31:32 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Fighter procurement in this country these days reminds me of nothing so much as a scene in a movie where someone shot an RPG at an outhouse. "What a mess!" The B-52 replacement will be here any day now. Same with the KC-135 replacement. The Air Force really only cares about fighters imagine going to combat next week with F-100s |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:56:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: KA3B]
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Concentricity: $76,470,588.20 per plane and support per plane. It just seems like a lot of money. It's a lot of money since it's at the end of it's production. Suppliers/vendors have stopped making parts, not a lot of "spares" stockpiled, riding cost of Biden everything. Also, with the loss of India as a customer the price keeps going up (they bought the Rafale-M fighter aircraft. https://news.usni.org/2023/12/19/navys-last-super-hornet-contract-stalled-due-to-rising-air-frame-costs "...Boeing’s estimate for the Super Hornets has become more expensive, with the price tag approaching the cost of an F-35C..." That was Dec of 23. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 10:57:04 AM EDT
[#21]
Are foreign sales completely dried up for these?
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Posted: 3/30/2024 11:08:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By XJ: Are foreign sales completely dried up for these? It seems like everyone who can is either buying F-35, late model F-16s or Rafale. Lots of Air Forces use Legacy Hornets. But the only 2 export customers of the Superhornet are Kuwait and Australia. The Malaysians might buy some and the Canadians might lease some out of the blue. But that looks like it. Billy Flynn summed up the Superhornet as being like a Nokia phone in an era of iPhones. Perfectely solid and reliable. But getting long in the tooth and probably can't be upgraded much more. Boeing tried really hard to get foreign customers to buy the Superhornet. But the fish just weren't biting. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 11:27:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9divdoc: too bad we've let so many of their agents into our country and into sensitive positions...eh? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 9divdoc: Originally Posted By ArmedKulak: Good, keep the production running so we can build replacements when we go to war with China. too bad we've let so many of their agents into our country and into sensitive positions...eh? I would expect massive sabotage of production facilities, whether by malware ruining machines/programs needed to build stuff, to more mundane mysterious fires and explosions. All carried out by Chinese agents, or commie leftist sympathizers already working there. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 11:31:13 AM EDT
[#24]
Weird thread
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 12:01:18 PM EDT
[#25]
I figure it’s just a lifeline being thrown to Boeing. Nobody really wants these planes as far as I can tell.
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NC, USA
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Posted: 3/30/2024 12:18:05 PM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KA3B: It's a lot of money since it's at the end of it's production. Suppliers/vendors have stopped making parts, not a lot of "spares" stockpiled, riding cost of Biden everything. Also, with the loss of India as a customer the price keeps going up (they bought the Rafale-M fighter aircraft. https://news.usni.org/2023/12/19/navys-last-super-hornet-contract-stalled-due-to-rising-air-frame-costs "...Boeing’s estimate for the Super Hornets has become more expensive, with the price tag approaching the cost of an F-35C..." That was Dec of 23. lol, one of the electronic parts we made for the f-18 was so old, the ATP test rig was running DOS. Prayed every night that fucker would break. This was in 2020. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 12:53:40 PM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Concentricity: $76,470,588.20 per plane and support per plane. It just seems like a lot of money. What is the breakdown per plane roughly? As delivered Upfit for spec equipment Support tools Spare parts Training Maintenance You serious Clark? That sounds like a bargain to me: block III SHs including support? Sheesh. That's cheap money. |
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Posted: 3/30/2024 3:18:20 PM EDT
[#28]
With war with China looming let’s worry more about capacity than capability.
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