Between this and your other thread you sure brag a lot to try and cover your stupid opinions.

If you think a Skyline GTR is anything like the vehicles you posted, there’s no hope for you. Get lost and let the car guys have their conversation without your insufferable personality stinking up the room.

Please point out the "bragging".  I'll wait.

Please, hold your breath while waiting for me to point it out.

ETA: Between this shit and your stupid Krink thread you’re certainly on a great path. Whoever banned you before this account was a saint.

You need to change your location from the US to Douchebagistan.

I'm sorry that you don't like the idea that not everyone likes what you like.  

I'll note that you failed to point out any "bragging."

You say you like Fox body Mustangs. That's all I need to know that your taste in cars is absolute shit. They are the worst, plastic-clad, boring, slow cars to be a fan of.


There are stupid mod trends in every car subculture. Don't act like Jap cars are the only ones that suffer from that.
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"Boner" for 45+ years now.

I read about most of the JDM stuff in Motor Trend, R&T, and C&D in the mid 90's, when I was 8.

Yeah?  Well, it was my first car (1991 G.T.), and it was the thing that my Dad and I bonded over - teaching me the ins and outs of car maintenance - before he passed suddenly a year after I got my license.

But you're probably right . . . they are really boring and slow, and speed and agility is the #1 reason that people like 30-year old cars.  @gearjammer351

Nice.

Oh I'm perfectly okay with people having different tastes. But when you come in with your massive gaping irritated anus to shit all over the thread and everyone in it, it’s different.

Now that you made yourself look like an insufferable belligerent ass by insulting everyone, you’re trying to play the victim by saying I’m the rude one who can’t accept the opinions of others. You can go back to getting your shit pushed in with your stupid Krink thread instead of shitting up this one as well.

Lol.  You just continue to make shit up.  

"iNsUlTiNg eVeRyOnE".  LMAO.  If you check the record, you "insulted" me first. It's words, so I don't care, but do check the record.  

Next Show me where I "insulted everyone".  I know this might come as a shock to you, but you are not the center of the universe and your perception of being attacked (because I don't like what you like) is not shared by everyone.  

You also said "Leftists hate modified vehicles, like you do."  Neither part of that sentence is true.  Neither I nor leftists (that I have ever seen) hate modified vehicles.  It seems like you . . . ya know . .  just made that shit up.

Then you accused me of bragging.  And twice you've been asked to provide supporting evidence, and have failed to do so.  Why?  Because that also isn't true.  

Again, I'm very sorry that you are uncomfortable with people not liking what you don't like.  

I'll try to get this thread back on track for you . . .

I went to school with a kid whose dad had an Acura dealership.  Kid was driving NSXes to school every now and then as a 16 year old.  That was an awesome car (because it hadn't been corrupted by tasteless hacks).

Never mind. . . not worth it.

Hmm, let’s see.

Yet here you are defending Democrats (yet again) who lead wars on oil, vehicle modifications, and have long records of increasing automotive regulations. You sure about that straight male not having low T stuff, because you’re pretty fucking suspect at this point.

Your username must be a joke, because with your stupid war against PSA and blatant defense of Democrats while doing nothing on this site but being a miserable prick to everyone you interact with, I’d think you would love the ATF.

Nice edit too. Like you’re the bigger man for starting shit with everyone and crossing your comments out when it doesn’t go your way.

Thank you for leaving the thread now. Your help getting it back on track is worthless compared to you leaving the thread altogether.

Obvious troll is obvious.

If it's not worth it then you could have just deleted what you wrote.  Yet you didn't which shows your colors.

And have you ever tried to modify a car in Cali?  Leftists don't hate cars?

None of the cars you posted are tuner cars.


Are you getting confused with Stance and Race Inspired Cosmetic Enhanced?  RICE???

Just not a car guy or?

Always been one of my favorite cars.

I'm hoping to get back into an Evo soon.  But quite as rare or expensive but still a crap ton of power and AWD goodnesd!

Ssshhhhh..... don't tell him that body kits, gawdy wings and stickers don't increase hp and performance.

If you haven't spent much time in early leaf J70s, it's hard to explain how poor the ride is, "bouncy" at highway speeds, rough and abrupt over any surface. The steering is never out of control, but requires constant inputs - tho the recirculating ball PS system was welcome (J40 only received power steering in the States 5 years before - '79, later in some markets). NVH and Dynamics are much worse than a N60 Surf/4R. If you had the 22R or 3VZ in 88 or 89, American trucks were sufficiently more enjoyable than Y Petrols (think Toyota Vans in the States) and any diesel equipped N60 elsewhere.

The original J40 and more so the LWB HD J70 utilized a heavy duty suspension, with high rate leaf springs and LC axles, which led to poor NVH and dynamics.

There were complaints previous, and recognition at Toyota. It was so readily apparent Toyota fairly early in dev Toyota established a parallel program for a light J70. At introduction there were two J70s - Heavy Duty, and Light Duty marketed as the Bundera. The Bundera was a short wheelbase utility that utilized J70 systems and body, but substituted coils, 8" Hilux axles (SFA), and Hilux engines and transmissions. The goal was to offer a more comfortable model that still had offroad capability and durability, slotted between HDLC and SWLC lines that had existed since the mid 60's. The idea was more comfort than J70 but cheaper than the J60 for buyers who did not need or want commercial capacity or full on passenger car amenities. It was aimed squarely at other SWB utilities - namely Land Rovers much improved, fully coiled 90, tho eventually 110s as the J60 and very much the J80 were much removed from that segment.

Initially offered only in SWB form, to keep from competing with the more profitable and also more comfort centered J60 Station Wagon Series. Space was limited as were sales. Toyota decided to forgo discontinuation but added a long wheelbase Light J70 in 1990, both Wagon and Van trims. In many markets the nameplate "Bundera" disappeared and "Prado" replaced. By '93 the SWB was gone, but most know the Prado  - J90, J120, J150 and the neues J250 - eventually the GX and now New LC in the States. Over time the HD J70 got the improved comfort suspension 8Thousand mentioned, and aftermarket parabolic springs can greatly improve ride (tho lower payload). Still even the late (tho I haven't been in the most recent that just arrives) J70s are harsher than any first gen Surf/4R (4th gen Hilux)

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Having much time in both LD and HD Land Cruisers, as well as a number of pre-divergent Hilux/Pickups, a couple Stouts, and stints in various older commercials (Dyna, Deltas, ToyoAce, Bedford, DAF, MAN) - the early leaf J70s are much closer to medium commercials and near identical to light in comfort. No surprise, for all intents, it's what HDLC were.

Great, just what I need.  Another project car.  For the right price, I'd have a hard time turning an R34 down.  That was always a car I wanted to build.  I may be excited, but my wallet and wife are nervous.

They’re going to end up wrecked by wanna be drifters just like all the 240sx’s

All of this, but as a retirement thing. I'd like one just to cruise around. Doesn't have to be tuned out or anything special. I like the R34 bodystyle and the RHD would be fantastic.

I trust you, but I still want to drive a 70 series or two to see for myself.

Can they be that much worse than something like a Jeep Wrangler or old school Big 3 3/4 ton?

I think price point prevents this from happening.

The 240SXs (and Jeep XJs and Foxbody Mustangs) all got bought up cheap and wiped out at genocidal levels because they were cheap and easily accessible to young guys with no common sense.

These R34s are going to mostly be garage queens for younger Gen X and older Millennials who are now 40+ years old.

Street racing is stupid. The cars are sweet though.

I think they are really cool looking cars.....but for $30K+, I can think of a lot better options than a 20yr old car that's been rotting away in an overseas warehouse somewhere.

I wouldn't mind having a Nissan president.

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GTR’s aren’t good drift cars being AWD.

In Japan the 4 door GTST/GTT RWD cars seem to have a better reputation for drifting due to the weight dispersion. Apparently the two doors are a little harder to drift but many still do it.

Not many drift R32 and R33 cars stateside though. The Silvia cars are even getting out of price range for many young idiots. Much easier to get a BRZ/86 or something else on payments than plop down $12,000 for a clean project car.

Remember when the CMP 1911 program was announced and guys were comparing CMP's prices to new guns and talking about how much of a "ripoff" they were?

This is kind of like that.

Still want one.

Yup. Even a “clunker” R34 is likely going to be high 5 figure range here in the states.

Looks like average R34 GTT’s are hovering in the 30-40k area. Not clapped out but 50k mile area.  

You can find them a bit lower in the European and Australian markets too.

I should have specified, R34 = GTR when I said R34

The lower models will always be a bit cheaper than the halo.

They are no doubt cool

Is reading comprehension disease contagious?

The statement WASN'T "Leftists don't hate cars."  

The statement WAS "Leftists don't hate MODIFYING cars."  

My favorite acronym for RICE is
Ridiculously
Ineffective/Idiotic
Cosmetic
Enhancements
eg. Putting a giant rear wing on a FWD car, without doing anything to increase downforce on the front, thereby exacerbating understeer, or stance, which takes increased camber, to stupid levels purely for the look. I remember a 4 year old cousin, sitting on her cat, trying to ride it. Every time I see ‘stanced’ cars, I immediately think of that poor cat with its legs splayed out

Had a college buddy who cut the springs on his (of course) Honda, who was so proud of how it looked. “Yeah, it’s slammed. Looks sweet, doesn’t it?” It had NO bump compliance whatsoever, and handling was absolute shit.

Yeah, people who conflate tuners (who focus on performance mods) vs Ricers (who focus on cosmetic mods, oftentimes to the detriment of performance), considering themselves “car guys” 🙄

#METOO

I learned how to drive in a WWII Era Jeep, and daily drove a '66 Bronco in the late '80s before I got married, had various leaf sprung jeeps and 3/4 ton trucks too.
Being ambidextrous, and having experience driving/autocrossing a couple of old RHD British vehicles, I think I can deal with the "downsides".

I would LOVE an R-32 GTR, but no way I can afford to buy one or maintain it.

For $30k they would be a steal.

Try modifying a car in California.