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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:00:36 PM EDT
Did them fellas all truly die of polar bear and food poisoning?
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Posted: 3/29/2024 5:09:09 PM EDT
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Yes
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:50:13 PM EDT
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You sure?
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:50:47 PM EDT
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Died of polar bear poisoning.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:51:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: You sure? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:51:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Capt-Planet: Died of polar bear poisoning. Is that even a fuckin thing that exists? |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:53:32 PM EDT
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Poisoned the polar bear.
Ate it. And then died of food poisoned polar bear food poisoning. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:53:44 PM EDT
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But did they die of dysentery?
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:54:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: Is that even a fuckin thing that exists? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: Originally Posted By Capt-Planet: Died of polar bear poisoning. Is that even a fuckin thing that exists? Vitamin A is present in the liver of polar bears in such high quantities that it becomes toxic. It's possible that it has infiltrated the entire carcass, but there are stories of people who eat polar bear without ill effect IF they avoid the liver. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:54:42 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ACDer]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: Is that even a fuckin thing that exists? The Andree polar balloon expedition. They died from eating raw polar bear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9e's_Arctic_balloon_expedition |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:54:46 PM EDT
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Also if you eat polar Bear Liver, it will kill you with an overdose of vitamin A, weird I know but true.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:54:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By right_rudder: They died of something Without a doubt. But did they die of polar Bear or food poisoning? Did some Arctic animals kill em or the food? |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:55:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Hesperus]
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They died of a bunch of different things. They weren't going to make it out of the Arctic. That was a long and cold season.
Some of them turned to cannibalism. Allegedly, if you can believe things like sworn eyewitness testimony and forensic examination of skeletal remains. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:56:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: Without a doubt. But did they die of polar Bear or food poisoning? Did some Arctic animals kill em or the food? They starved to death , with some resorting to cannibalism |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:58:27 PM EDT
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They ate a polar bear and overdosed on Coke...
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Posted: 3/29/2024 8:59:01 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FlockaCGulz]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: They died of a bunch of different things. They weren't going to make it out of the Arctic. That was a long and cold season. Some of them turned to cannibalism. Allegedly, if you can believe things like sworn eyewitness testimony and forensic examination of skeletal remains. This is what I understand, based on my extensive experience of 1 podcast. Dudes were eating boot leather and ropes (and each other) after their tinned rations spoiled and 2+ years of their boats being trapped in the ice. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:00:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: Without a doubt. But did they die of polar Bear or food poisoning? Did some Arctic animals kill em or the food? |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:00:36 PM EDT
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Food tainted by lead also.
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:06:09 PM EDT
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From what I recall there was led used to seal their canned food and possibly led in the water supply.
Either way their descent into madness lines up with led poisoning. There is a historical fiction season on Amazon "The Terror" that seems to fill in the blanks fairly well. *with some minor poetic licensing with the last episode. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:10:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By d16man: Food tainted by lead also. Yep. Canned food was a fairly new invention at the time. They put a lot of faith in the power of technology to brute force their way through the Northwest Passage. I'll never forget a scene in a PBS Nova episode about it where they had someone saying about the canned food in a pompous English accent. "It will nourish us through winter, spring and summer!" The admiralty had wanted the Northwest Passage for centuries. By Jove they were going to get it or die trying. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:13:15 PM EDT
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And it should be mentioned the canned food was produced by a foreign nation iirc
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:16:01 PM EDT
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Traveling in northern Canada, in a wooden boat, for a few years, trying to find an unknown passage, had to take testicles of enormous size
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:18:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By virgilc1984: From what I recall there was led used to seal their canned food and possibly led in the water supply. Either way their descent into madness lines up with led poisoning. There is a historical fiction season on Amazon "The Terror" that seems to fill in the blanks fairly well. *with some minor poetic licensing with the last episode. Read the book first. It's much better (isn't this always the case?), though it's really cool how the series brought back to life the inside of both ships |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:19:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pallas: They ate a polar bear and overdosed on Coke... https://i.imgflip.com/sdl4.jpg?a475200  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:20:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By redseven11b: Traveling in northern Canada, in a wooden boat, for a few years, trying to find an unknown passage, had to take testicles of enormous size Their commander had years of experience with previous Artic expeditions. He died fairly early in the thing. The rest of them had varying levels of experience and training. With their ships wrecked some of the survivors set off overland dragging a lifeboat full of all sorts of nonsense like a tea set. I feel it's a very British story. All things considered. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:30:28 PM EDT
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Get the book “Frozen in time” by Beatty. A 1988 expedition to Baffin Island and exhumation of 4 graves of the sailors on the 1845 expedition. Pathological exams of the tissue from the sailors indicated lead poisoning of those guys. Fascinating book.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:32:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Their commander had years of experience with previous Artic expeditions. He died fairly early in the thing. The rest of them had varying levels of experience and training. With their ships wrecked some of the survivors set off overland dragging a lifeboat full of all sorts of nonsense like a tea set. I feel it's a very British story. All things considered. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hesperus: Originally Posted By redseven11b: Traveling in northern Canada, in a wooden boat, for a few years, trying to find an unknown passage, had to take testicles of enormous size Their commander had years of experience with previous Artic expeditions. He died fairly early in the thing. The rest of them had varying levels of experience and training. With their ships wrecked some of the survivors set off overland dragging a lifeboat full of all sorts of nonsense like a tea set. I feel it's a very British story. All things considered. Yeah it definitely took balls, but since it was the Brits the approach is more like eh, send more ships with more men and get it done already (except wih the command coming from a king or his military captains in wigs a pompous gay uniforms yelling expletives in a stupid accent ) Oh your boys died? Send more and make sure they come back with results, damn it! Lead tainted food? Fuck it, we're already half retarded anyways, no loss. Carry on lads. I have a ton of respect for the guys that actually went on the crazy expeditions under the flags of many countries but the truth is they weren't all renowned adventurers, some were just shitbags, laborers, etc. They (all countries, at that time) weren't going to pay a whole crew of big shots, they paid a few big shots to command a rag tag group. Weird and dumb shit happened. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:32:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ACDer: The Andree polar balloon expedition. They died from eating raw polar bear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9e's_Arctic_balloon_expedition Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ACDer: Originally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: Is that even a fuckin thing that exists? The Andree polar balloon expedition. They died from eating raw polar bear. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A9e's_Arctic_balloon_expedition Read what you posted. They died of Morphine OD and Polar Bear attack. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:44:16 PM EDT
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Botulism tainted rations also got some of them.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:49:17 PM EDT
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I'm not extremely familiar with all the particulars of the Terror but it just struck me that the British method of world exploration was quite similar to the Russian model of warfare in past wars. If you have a problem, just throw more bodies at it. The difference is that the Brits had an empire and money.
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:52:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Poodleshooter]
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HMS Terror, in her earlier roll for the Royal Navy was a bomb ketch at the Battle of Baltimore bombardment of Ft McHenry in 1814...where she was anchored just upstream from the future location of the Key Bridge that collapsed the other day.
She's a shipwreck full of history. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:59:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TontoGoldstein: Botulism tainted rations also got some of them. Lead too. Also botulism in local wildlife. Started eating each other out of madness / desperation. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:02:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TontoGoldstein: Botulism tainted rations also got some of them. IIRC there's some walrus or seal in that area that has botulism naturally throughout. Only the natives could eat it |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:02:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hostile1: Lead too. Also botulism in local wildlife. Started eating each other out of madness / desperation. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hostile1: Originally Posted By TontoGoldstein: Botulism tainted rations also got some of them. Lead too. Also botulism in local wildlife. Started eating each other out of madness / desperation. Food cans were soldered with lead and I believe the water pump was all lead piping. A lot of lead. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:41:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By M1Zeppelin: Food cans were soldered with lead and I believe the water pump was all lead piping. A lot of lead. Yes sir . But the polar bear problems... |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:43:13 PM EDT
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It was the mercury in the polar bear.
BTW, the HMS Terror I'm familiar with is a monitor. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:43:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Lou_Daks]
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See the series "The Terror". We loved it. Based on the true story, but the show throws in a supernatural menace, which only makes sense near the end. The actor who plays the Capt. is outstanding. The other characters too. Creeped us out. Thumbs up.
Spoiler alert: https://www.vox.com/culture/2018/3/26/17163368/the-terror-review-amc-dan-simmons-jared-harris |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:43:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Poodleshooter: HMS Terror, in her earlier roll for the Royal Navy was a bomb ketch at the Battle of Baltimore bombardment of Ft McHenry in 1814...where she was anchored just upstream from the future location of the Key Bridge that collapsed the other day. She's a shipwreck full of history. There was also the Erubus. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:43:54 PM EDT
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Scurvy? Should have brought some oranges or Tang
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:45:14 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: Did them fellas all truly die of polar bear and food poisoning? Does a polar bear shit in the arctic? |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:46:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riter: It was the mercury in the polar bear. BTW, the HMS Terror I'm familiar with is a monitor. The Erebus, not the mercury. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:48:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cwm1150: Does a polar bear shit in the arctic? Probably shit out a few Englishman. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:48:45 PM EDT
[Last Edit: ServusVeritatis]
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“The Terror” was a pretty good show.
Creepy and binge-worthy.  Attached FileJared Harris is a damn good actor that no one knows but everyone recognizes.  Attached File |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:50:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AzzFaceKillah]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DubyaB: Scurvy? Should have brought some oranges or Tang They brought lemon juice, but it appears it lost it's potency. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:53:04 PM EDT
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Early polar expeditions used lead solder to seal cans lead leached into the food and sailor's went mad. I forget what expedition it was but IIRC they found 20 guys on Baffin Island that lost their way due to being mentally incapacitated. Among other things
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:53:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cwm1150: Does a polar bear shit in the arctic? Ice cubes |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:56:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: AzzFaceKillah]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By savoy3: Early polar expeditions used lead solder to seal cans lead leached into the food and sailor's went mad. I forget what expedition it was but IIRC they found 20 guys on Baffin Island that lost their way due to being mentally incapacitated. Among other things A few of the 129 men may.Lead poison couldn't have killed em all. Some of em had to got killed by something else. The enlisted men certainly weren't, they were not fed that well |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:14:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scalped: Read the book first. It's much better (isn't this always the case?), though it's really cool how the series brought back to life the inside of both ships I don't think lead poisoning could have killed that many men. The 800 miles maybe. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:17:45 PM EDT
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NOVA did a show in 2015 about it. In 2014 a Canadian expedition found the Erebus underwater, eh? Recommended.
https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/arctic-ghost-ship/ |
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:19:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: I don't think lead poisoning could have killed that many men. The 800 miles maybe. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AzzFaceKillah: Originally Posted By Scalped: Read the book first. It's much better (isn't this always the case?), though it's really cool how the series brought back to life the inside of both ships I don't think lead poisoning could have killed that many men. The 800 miles maybe. Lead poisoning, plus the effects of decisions made while experiencing lead poisoning, while in an environment where there is a moderate chance of death even if you do everything right, certainly could. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:21:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lou_Daks: NOVA did a show in 2015 about it. In 2014 a Canadian expedition found the Erebus underwater, eh? Recommended. https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/video/arctic-ghost-ship/ I appreciate that. I just only watched the series. Something killed them but it was not lead poisoning. |
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