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insider Joined Apr 2003 Posts 5465 EE 100% (49) FL, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 9:25:59 AM EDT They are planning on Red Flagging anyone who uses firearms in self defense. They prefer you should be a helpless victim. Beware!

MaverickH1 Member Joined Mar 2005 Posts 12612 EE 100% (44) VA, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 9:29:10 AM EDT [Last Edit: MaverickH1] [#1] It's not just Democrats. It's also RINOs.
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6SJ7GT Member Joined Mar 2015 Posts 8066 EE 0% (0) WI, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 9:31:54 AM EDT [#2] Originally Posted By insider: They are planning on Red Flagging anyone who ~~uses~~ Owns firearms ~~in self defense~~. They prefer you should be a helpless victim. Beware! View Quote Fixed
	Bad things happen in isolated instances in an armed populace, horrific things happen to a disarmed populace. 20th Century Democide https://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/20TH.HTM

MeInMediocrity Joined Dec 2017 Posts 8866 EE 0% (0) TX, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 9:40:47 AM EDT [#3] ...anyone they don't like or anyone that says anything they don't like. Non-gun owners probably think they are safe. Wait until they get their homes torn up searching for non-existent weapons.

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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:47:06 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By MeInMediocrity:
...anyone they don't like or anyone that says anything they don't like.

Non-gun owners probably think they are safe. Wait until they get their homes torn up searching for non-existent weapons.

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Mostly this. There's some argument for "an unarmed society is a subservient society", but at the end of the day I think the main reason is they believe they should get to make all the rules, and resistance from us lesser beings infuriates them.

searchin4shacks Member Joined May 2009 Posts 10171 EE 100% (2) FL, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 9:48:00 AM EDT [#5] What could possibly go wrong when folks are denied their rights without due process?

11boomboom Member Joined Oct 2020 Posts 7075 EE 0% (0) TX, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 9:48:01 AM EDT [#6] Originally Posted By insider: They are planning on Red Flagging anyone who uses firearms in self defense. They prefer you should be a helpless victim. Beware! View Quote You don't have to use firearms to be red flagged. It's about going after gun owners just for having them.
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RIP-Yataski My Mind Is A Trapdoor... Joined Apr 2013 Posts 117557 EE 100% (2) ID, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 9:49:12 AM EDT [#7] How does OP know this? Does he have insider information?...
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:14:54 AM EDT

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I believe that the Democrats intend to make it easy for anyone to red flag a gun owner, no matter how thin the connection between the accuser and accused. I believe that what they intend to follow in this environment is the broad use of red flag laws against political rivals, mainly “MAGA Americans”, in a campaign to disarm and punish (by process) anyone who opposes them.

arowneragain Director of Marketing and Ad Revenue Joined Nov 2003 Posts 83626 EE 100% (22) TN, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 10:20:54 AM EDT [#9] Quote History Originally Posted By MaverickH1: It's not just Democrats. It's also RINOs. View Quote As usual, the left is our enemy; the right is not our friend.

Goodn Joined Dec 2008 Posts 36897 EE 0% (0) ND, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 10:27:39 AM EDT [Last Edit: Goodn] [#10] Because they are commies and they don't want any pushback from their subjects when they decide to do commie things. They want the monopoly on violence. And criminals are their useful idiots.

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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:29:36 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By MaverickH1:
It's not just Democrats. It's also RINOs.

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"RINOs".... do you mean the overwhelming majority of politicians identifying as "republican"? Mk1 Mod0 republicans literally take turns screwing you over to just barely pass shitty legislation to infringe on your rights for decades now. How long do you let them shit on you before you realize they're mostly vile swamp things and abandon them?

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callgood Forget it Jake, it's GD Joined Oct 2004 Posts 63567 EE 0% (0) AL, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 10:31:17 AM EDT [#12] So, SSS?
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gotigers Member Joined Mar 2009 Posts 26616 EE 100% (117) TN, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 10:32:54 AM EDT [#13] Dem logic: red flag all mentally ill. to own a gun you must be mentally ill. red flag all gun owners.
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Max429 Exited Joined Nov 2000 Posts 27960 EE 0% (0) MI, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 10:38:14 AM EDT [#14] Waiting for red flag laws to hit SCOTUS. How can a law be constitutional that goes against two different amendments for no prosecution and no guilty verdict. No crime charged or found guilty, yet they can seize property without due process and violate the second amendment as well.

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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:16:58 AM EDT

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Originally Posted By Max429:
Waiting for red flag laws to hit SCOTUS. How can a law be constitutional that goes against two different amendments for no prosecution and no guilty verdict. No crime charged or found guilty, yet they can seize property without due process and violate the second amendment as well.

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Red flag laws may be the single most aggressively unconstitutional policy in the history of the country. But they are reflection of the times in which we now find ourselves. We have open, blatant, admitted communists not only here, but in positions of great power and control. And they have only just begun to seek absolute power so they can take away everything we have left. Never before has the country been under the control of so many people who hate it with a demonic passion and push with everything they have to destroy it completely. They don't fear criminals, terrorists, or illegal aliens. They fear the people who have the ability to take the power away from them. So, they conspire to destroy those who have that ability, by whatever means necessary. They plan to take absolute power and keep it forever which is going to require them to render helpless any group of people who can stop them. The people who can stop them are the normals who just want to live their lives and be left alone. The existence of the normals drives the communists insane with rage. They won't be happy until every normal is disarmed and gone. Then the communists can finally rule over the ashes and rubble. Just like they dream of doing.

osprey21 Known Associate Joined Jan 2001 Posts 154558 EE 100% (276) FL, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 11:55:42 AM EDT [#16] Stop calling them Democrats. They're communists.
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torstin Joined Sep 2001 Posts 13953 EE 100% (1) PA, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 12:12:34 PM EDT [#17] Originally Posted By insider: They are planning on Red Flagging anyone who uses firearms in self defense. They prefer you should be a helpless victim. Beware! View Quote They are building toward anyone over 65 turning in their guns. Then lowering it to 60, 55, etc.

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Posted: 3/29/2024 2:00:55 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:

"RINOs".... do you mean the overwhelming majority of politicians identifying as "republican"? Mk1 Mod0 republicans literally take turns screwing you over to just barely pass shitty legislation to infringe on your rights for decades now. How long do you let them shit on you before you realize they're mostly vile swamp things and abandon them?

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Originally Posted By TheAmaazingCarl:

Originally Posted By MaverickH1:
It's not just Democrats. It's also RINOs.

"RINOs".... do you mean the overwhelming majority of politicians identifying as "republican"? Mk1 Mod0 republicans literally take turns screwing you over to just barely pass shitty legislation to infringe on your rights for decades now. How long do you let them shit on you before you realize they're mostly vile swamp things and abandon them?

I don't let them. If they shit on my rights I show them the door. Not enough people do the same.

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Butternut Member Joined Jan 2006 Posts 41653 EE 0% (0) VA, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 2:04:58 PM EDT [#20] Yet those pushing for and making the laws have plenty of armed security. Funny how that is...
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ClayHollisterTT Member Joined Jun 2020 Posts 51058 EE 0% (0) PA, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 2:08:48 PM EDT [#21] They want to disarm as many people as they can, it is the nature of government. Many on the right are happy to go along too.

secamp32 Member Joined Nov 2007 Posts 3406 EE 0% (0) NY, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 2:12:42 PM EDT [#22] Clearly crazy people need to be disarmed. Only crazy people think they need a gun therefore all gun owners are crazy and need to be disarmed.

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Posted: 3/29/2024 2:13:12 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By DaveJRSC:
I believe that the Democrats intend to make it easy for anyone to red flag a gun owner, no matter how thin the connection between the accuser and accused. I believe that what they intend to follow in this environment is the broad use of red flag laws against political rivals, mainly “MAGA Americans”, in a campaign to disarm and punish (by process) anyone who opposes them.

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I agree this is their ultimate goal.

AXE0FWAR Joined Jul 2020 Posts 18520 EE 100% (8) USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 2:14:04 PM EDT [#24] Wait till they get “common sense speech” control and tie it in with this. Then wait till they get all of our posts retroactively.

Ivan1 Member Joined May 2011 Posts 7686 EE 100% (128) USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 2:14:29 PM EDT [#25] Quote History Originally Posted By 11boomboom: You don't have to use firearms to be red flagged. It's about going after gun owners just for having them. View Quote Yup. To them, its just another piece of the 2nd amendment pie.

ClayHollisterTT Member Joined Jun 2020 Posts 51061 EE 0% (0) PA, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 2:24:37 PM EDT [Last Edit: ClayHollisterTT] [#26] Quote History Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Wait till they get “common sense speech” control and tie it in with this. Then wait till they get all of our posts retroactively. View Quote At least Republicans won’t go along with hate speech laws, internet censorship and ID and age verification. Oh wait. FJB

AXE0FWAR Joined Jul 2020 Posts 18521 EE 100% (8) USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 2:26:44 PM EDT [#27] Quote History Originally Posted By ClayHollisterTT: At least Republicans won’t go along with hate speech laws, internet censorship and ID and age verification. Oh wait. FJB View Quote We no longer have a government that represents the people. R and D are both the disease.

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Posted: 3/29/2024 3:08:49 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By torstin:
They are building toward anyone over 65 turning in their guns. Then lowering it to 60, 55, etc.

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Originally Posted By torstin:

Originally Posted By insider:
They are planning on Red Flagging anyone who uses firearms in self defense.
They prefer you should be a helpless victim.
Beware!

They are building toward anyone over 65 turning in their guns. Then lowering it to 60, 55, etc.

Yeah, that was a pretty nasty part of their plans. Disarm people over a certain age. They keep trying to push the age to be able to acquire higher also. 18 is too young, you have to be 21 now. I could see them wanting to use "SCIENCE!" and make it around 27 because the brain doesn't fully mature to around that time.

ApacheScout Joined May 2006 Posts 34980 EE 100% (7) CA, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 3:11:28 PM EDT [#29] Its a way to get around that pesky 4th Amendment.

madmathew Member Joined Oct 2006 Posts 48145 EE 100% (7) MI, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 3:26:01 PM EDT [#30] Quote History Originally Posted By Goodn: Because they are commies and they don't want any pushback from their subjects when they decide to do commie things. They want the monopoly on violence. And criminals are their useful idiots. View Quote This right here.

-daddy Joined Nov 2009 Posts 10023 EE 0% (0) WA, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 3:27:39 PM EDT [#31] Quote History Originally Posted By MaverickH1: ~~It's not just Democrats. It's also RINOs.~~ View Quote Government, the greatest killer of all time.

madmathew Member Joined Oct 2006 Posts 48146 EE 100% (7) MI, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 3:28:06 PM EDT [#32] We need to be working on funding and hiring lawyers to fight these laws. If there are already 36 victims of this law in Michigan then we have 36 potential challengers to its constitutionality.

Ming_The_Merciless Pathetic earthlings... who can save you now? Joined Sep 2009 Posts 3375 EE 100% (26) TX, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 3:35:54 PM EDT [#33] Quote History Originally Posted By bulldog1967: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6755/Screenshot_2023-08-13_at_12_37_02_PM-2918232.png View Quote Seems some of us have been down this road before ...
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Posted: 3/29/2024 3:40:52 PM EDT

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Originally Posted By Ming_The_Merciless:

https://img.ifunny.co/images/226aca442c765a00192d2ed5e2ffa283b32246a18e8087f6cb91e91158113082_1.jpg

Seems some of us have been down this road before ...

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Originally Posted By bulldog1967:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/6755/Screenshot_2023-08-13_at_12_37_02_PM-2918232.png

https://img.ifunny.co/images/226aca442c765a00192d2ed5e2ffa283b32246a18e8087f6cb91e91158113082_1.jpg

Seems some of us have been down this road before ...

Too bad ironhandjohn ain't with us anymore.

guyknight Joined Mar 2021 Posts 7210 EE 0% (0) OR, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 3:51:21 PM EDT [#35] Quote History Originally Posted By MaverickH1: It's not just Democrats. It's also RINOs. View Quote Attached File

gojoe Joined Jun 2001 Posts 3358 EE 100% (10) ME, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 3:51:48 PM EDT [#36] Quote History Originally Posted By searchin4shacks: What could possibly go wrong when folks are denied their rights without due process? View Quote I saw the movie where only the police and military had guns. Shindeler's List

Riter Member Joined Nov 2000 Posts 238212 EE 100% (6) CO, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 3:53:36 PM EDT [#37] The closer we approach economic/financial collapse, the more desperate they become for no 2A.
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StevenH Member Joined Jun 2007 Posts 66832 EE 100% (87) USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 3:55:50 PM EDT [#38] The future of hardware bans is in doubt. If you can’t ban guns then control who can own them. Purchase permits, licensing, registration, red flag laws. Rahimi should provide some clarity
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AeroE I Was Free Born Joined Nov 2000 Posts 97070 EE 100% (2) USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 4:09:39 PM EDT [#39] Watch anti gun prosecutors fly red flags on thin or no evidence as an excuse to seize guns. That they have no plan to return and go to the chopper as quickly as the machines can be started. Their standard response will amount to, "too bad, we believe you are a (unconvicted) threat."
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Meadowmuffin A fool with foot in mouth Joined Oct 2007 Posts 30749 EE 0% (0) TX, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 4:15:45 PM EDT [#40] You can be denied your second amendment rights simply based on an accusation without due process of law. Just a bag door attempt at confiscation.
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Originally Posted By Meadowmuffin:
You can be denied your second amendment rights simply based on an accusation without due process of law. Just a bag door attempt at confiscation.

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As we saw in Vermont you can be red flagged and have your guns seized even when the accusation is about someone else.

https://www.ar15.com/forums/general/Did-Vermont-violate-their-own-Red-Flag-Law-to-confiscate-guns?

Extorris, because he's a heartless cunt. The purity of his apathy is laboratory grade, and I sleep well knowing that he's out there somewhere,
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Posted: 3/29/2024 4:37:51 PM EDT

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Banker: If you want to buy a house or car you're going to have to give up those guns sir because this bank is not doing business with you.

Loan applicant: Huh?

Banker: Yes, according to your ESG score we see you routinely purchased both duck and deer hunting licenses and we see you rent a cabin up north during the season. You do business with Brownells, PSA, and LaRue Tactical and even donated to the GOA. None of that is in alignment with our bank's peace, sunshine, and bigger government policy. Now move on. Next ...

Banker turns to an LGBTQWTGFBBQ+/-

Banker: "Yes it appears your memberships in several victim groups was verified and you qualified for the government subsidized loan rate"

Bet me. I dare you.

There's going to be a whole government industry gathering personal ESG scores and verifying victim group membership.

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TLD05 Member Joined Apr 2008 Posts 12363 EE 100% (18) SC, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 4:41:10 PM EDT [#43] Attached File

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Originally Posted By Paul:
Banker: If you want to buy a house or car you're going to have to give up those guns sir because this bank is not doing business with you.

Loan applicant: Huh?

Banker: Yes, according to your ESG score we see you routinely purchased both duck and deer hunting licenses and we see you rent a cabin up north during the season. You do business with Brownells, PSA, and LaRue Tactical and even donated to the GOA. None of that is in alignment with our bank's peace, sunshine, and bigger government policy. Now move on. Next ...

Banker turns to an LGBTQWTGFBBQ+/-

Banker: "Yes it appears your memberships in several victim groups was verified and you qualified for the government subsidized loan rate"

Bet me. I dare you.

There's going to be a whole government industry gathering personal ESG scores and verifying victim group membership.

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That's the goal.

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What makes the green grass grow?

77Bronc Retired Machinery Engineer Joined Nov 2001 Posts 20801 EE 100% (135) LA, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 4:58:13 PM EDT [#45] I have the tale of two states here in Louisiana. Senator Kennedy is a national treasure. Any time a communist nominee gets in front of him his standard two questions: 1) what is a woman and 2) can you tell me what an assault rifle is? Senator Cassidy makes a RINO look conservative. Both of them are R’s
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thatwasthenthisisnow Member Joined Mar 2004 Posts 1066 EE 100% (188) TX, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 8:44:45 PM EDT [#46] Law Enforcements, US Military, SS, Politicians and their bodyguards are they exempt with the Red Flag law?

Cypher15 Member Joined May 2007 Posts 46870 EE 100% (1) MD, USA	Posted: 3/29/2024 8:45:35 PM EDT [#47] Quote History Originally Posted By MeInMediocrity: ...anyone they don't like or anyone that says anything they don't like. Non-gun owners probably think they are safe. Wait until they get their homes torn up searching for non-existent weapons. View Quote Its really weird that there werent immediate large lawsuits against redflag laws..
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