User Panel
Posted: 4/26/2024 12:17:49 PM EDT
No hits?
Six Oklahoma City Police Officers Fire at and Miss Suspect Pointing Gun |
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[#1]
NYPD transfers?
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fpni.
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Sorry not guilty. If the good lord put that much work into saving his ass from being shot I am not going to interfere with that! |
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Celebrating the remains of the Second Amendment one Fine Firearm at a Time. It was better here before.
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Lots of trigger jerking. Look how far some of those impacts were away from the suspect.
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[#6]
Impressive Police Work for sure.
Damn it is really suprising just how bad some people are at their jobs. |
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USN Retired: APR 1988 - MAY 2008
"My center is giving way, my right is falling back, situation excellent, I attack." —Ferdinand Foch |
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Holy smokes. Some of those shots were waaayyyy off.
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17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
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[Last Edit: wildearp]
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Preferred pronoun: MARINE
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[Last Edit: JKinAZ]
[#12]
Area suppression fire, or is everyone of those officers cockeyed?
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Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/119852/PF_Miracle-3198462.gif View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech: Originally Posted By Paul: Sorry not guilty. If the good lord put that much work into saving his ass from being shot I am not going to interfere with that! |
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[#15]
Geez I would think a department that size would practice more.
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Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/119852/PF_Miracle-3198462.gif View Quote Hahaha came here to post this |
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Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/119852/PF_Miracle-3198462.gif View Quote Beat like a rented red-headed step-donkey. |
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[#18]
Exactly why only police should have guns.
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[#20]
I don’t think they had enough cops there.
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[#22]
Originally Posted By 10mmillie: Geez I would think a department that size would practice more. View Quote Very few(almost none is my guess) departments "practice", they "qualify", many only once or twice a year on a course nearly identical to the 1930s Bullseye course for revolvers that were thumb cocked and reloaded with loose rounds from pockets, shot on targets the size of Shaquille O'Neal. Range access is about the same for cops as it is for everyone else, departmental ranges(those that have them) are booked up by quals(their own and other local, state and fed quals), and when they're not, range maintenance, Academy training and all the other realities of bureaucratic police life dominate. It's a very progressive, and almost always quite small department in an affluent municipality, that provides even monthly practice ammo. Any officer who wants to practice regularly(if you don't shoot weekly, you shoot weakly) has to arrange it on his own. Most don't, for the same reasons that most people(even ARFcommers) don't: time, effort and money. Many, many efforts have been made to raise standards, increase training and require practice over the decades. Every single time it's been shot down by budgetary restrictions, complaints (and lawsuits) from the sick, lame, lazy and diversity hires who are disparately impacted by training requirements, and the simple lack of POST requirements. Even units like SWAT have been subject to creeping mediocrity for decades now as the requirements to have females and minorities represented. It is what it is. |
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[#23]
Someone's going to say suppressive fire is good in a little bit
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[#24]
Do people fire more wildly in a group than on their own?
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What’s the difference between pancakes and a Mini-14? Pancakes hit the spot.-dvanblaricom
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Originally Posted By feudist: Why? Very few(almost none is my guess) departments "practice", they "qualify", many only once or twice a year on a course nearly identical to the 1930s Bullseye course for revolvers that were thumb cocked and reloaded with loose rounds from pockets, shot on targets the size of Shaquille O'Neal. Range access is about the same for cops as it is for everyone else, departmental ranges(those that have them) are booked up by quals(their own and other local, state and fed quals), and when they're not, range maintenance, Academy training and all the other realities of bureaucratic police life dominate. It's a very progressive, and almost always quite small department in an affluent municipality, that provides even monthly practice ammo. Any officer who wants to practice regularly(if you don't shoot weekly, you shoot weakly) has to arrange it on his own. Most don't, for the same reasons that most people(even ARFcommers) don't: time, effort and money. Many, many efforts have been made to raise standards, increase training and require practice over the decades. Every single time it's been shot down by budgetary restrictions, complaints (and lawsuits) from the sick, lame, lazy and diversity hires who are disparately impacted by training requirements, and the simple lack of POST requirements. Even units like SWAT have been subject to creeping mediocrity for decades now as the requirements to have females and minorities represented. It is what it is. View Quote This is all spot on. If I want to train it’s on my own dime, and own time. I can’t even get a key to our range for some ridiculous reason. I’m a night shift supervisor, and make decisions that carry potentially millions of dollars in liability, but they don’t even trust me to have a range key. |
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[#26]
Okcpd used to be known as "the deadliest police force in America"
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That's impressive
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Pain is inexhaustible. It's only people who get exhausted.
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[#29]
After watching that I am shocked that they didn’t somehow shoot themselves
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[#31]
Originally Posted By feudist: Why? Very few(almost none is my guess) departments "practice", they "qualify", many only once or twice a year on a course nearly identical to the 1930s Bullseye course for revolvers that were thumb cocked and reloaded with loose rounds from pockets, shot on targets the size of Shaquille O'Neal. Range access is about the same for cops as it is for everyone else, departmental ranges(those that have them) are booked up by quals(their own and other local, state and fed quals), and when they're not, range maintenance, Academy training and all the other realities of bureaucratic police life dominate. It's a very progressive, and almost always quite small department in an affluent municipality, that provides even monthly practice ammo. Any officer who wants to practice regularly(if you don't shoot weekly, you shoot weakly) has to arrange it on his own. Most don't, for the same reasons that most people(even ARFcommers) don't: time, effort and money. Many, many efforts have been made to raise standards, increase training and require practice over the decades. Every single time it's been shot down by budgetary restrictions, complaints (and lawsuits) from the sick, lame, lazy and diversity hires who are disparately impacted by training requirements, and the simple lack of POST requirements. Even units like SWAT have been subject to creeping mediocrity for decades now as the requirements to have females and minorities represented. It is what it is. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By feudist: Originally Posted By 10mmillie: Geez I would think a department that size would practice more. Very few(almost none is my guess) departments "practice", they "qualify", many only once or twice a year on a course nearly identical to the 1930s Bullseye course for revolvers that were thumb cocked and reloaded with loose rounds from pockets, shot on targets the size of Shaquille O'Neal. Range access is about the same for cops as it is for everyone else, departmental ranges(those that have them) are booked up by quals(their own and other local, state and fed quals), and when they're not, range maintenance, Academy training and all the other realities of bureaucratic police life dominate. It's a very progressive, and almost always quite small department in an affluent municipality, that provides even monthly practice ammo. Any officer who wants to practice regularly(if you don't shoot weekly, you shoot weakly) has to arrange it on his own. Most don't, for the same reasons that most people(even ARFcommers) don't: time, effort and money. Many, many efforts have been made to raise standards, increase training and require practice over the decades. Every single time it's been shot down by budgetary restrictions, complaints (and lawsuits) from the sick, lame, lazy and diversity hires who are disparately impacted by training requirements, and the simple lack of POST requirements. Even units like SWAT have been subject to creeping mediocrity for decades now as the requirements to have females and minorities represented. It is what it is. At least I'm not the one writing out the wall-o-text-truth this time. IME, the more experienced civilian shooters are the ones least able to emotionally understand/process the truths of this issue. If shooting is a hobby for you, grasping the difficulties of training hundreds of people to competency and keeping them there is damn near inconceivable because the mindset is so different between the shooter and the masses of cops (and their admin). The first five years of my career, I fired fewer rounds on agency dime than in the first five hours of my handgun instructor class (ehh, maybe ten hours lol). And that was normal. IMO, the biggest limitation isn't budgetary..it's command staff. If they're not shooters, they'll never give a damn about spending a dime on firearms practice. If they *are* shooters, you'll be shooing them out of the armory. |
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[#32]
Originally Posted By Seabee_Mech: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/119852/PF_Miracle-3198462.gif View Quote That gif….. |
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[#33]
Some USPSA GM will call them C Class shooters.
I take that personally. I'm a C Class shooter. If those guys were C class shooters we would be talking about why that guy was shot 36 times. |
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Big S ? little s ? Silly Sammy Slick sipped six sodas and got sick sick sick.
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[#34]
They were shooting at the dog the whole time.
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