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Posted: 5/10/2024 5:49:57 PM EDT
Killed off Venturer shooting - no more semi-auto rifles, no more centerfire, no more pistols.
https://www.scouting.org/health-and-safety/gss/gss08/#a |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:00:19 PM EDT
[#1]
The best thing scouting could have ever done was make having married parents a requirement.
Karen ruins everything. |
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GEO
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:00:46 PM EDT
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I'm an eagle scout and don't even recognize the program anymore. Liberals have fucked it up completely
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:07:12 PM EDT
[#3]
Frankly, I'm surprised that they allow firearms at all!
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:16:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FrankSymptoms: Frankly, I'm surprised that they allow firearms at all! Stupidest part is how much of a draw shooting sports was - BB guns then .22LR bolt actions then centerfire rifles and pistols. Lot of kids who stayed in Scouting due to moving up the shooting ranks... |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:20:56 PM EDT
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It was looking for a place to die, looks like it found it.
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:22:47 PM EDT
[#6]
The bad part isn't the centerfire.
The nationally recognized camp facility or commercial facility is going to kill most events. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:31:02 PM EDT
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I'm a shooting instructor Pistol and Rifle and RSO for our District.
my son got his Eagle right before it went to hell. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:35:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Kharn]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By broken_reticle: The bad part isn't the centerfire. The nationally recognized camp facility or commercial facility is going to kill most events. Our county does one day camp week per year, but it overlaps with my one daughter's birthday so she refuses to attend saying she wants to do nothing for her birthday. Then she complains she can't get slingshot, archery, bb gun, etc, belt loops each year.  They don't offer overnight camp for cub scouts at all, and our pack isn't interested in going out of the county for it.  Kharn |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:38:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeorgiaBII: I'm an eagle scout and don't even recognize the program anymore. Liberals have fucked it up completely This. If you support it you are part of the problem at this point. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:38:49 PM EDT
[#10]
White suburban soccer moms ruin everything
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:43:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: PaladinM1911]
[#11]
Need to bring back Y Indian Guides, loved it as a kid.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 6:49:03 PM EDT
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Lamentable, but predictable. I remember when the one single mom started to insert herself into the troop's activities. I was old enough at the time to see the negative effects she had. She was as lame as her two boys, and the dads just didn't feel like dealing with her so as their sons moved up they were less and less available to the younger scouts. It was a shame because the dads were a group of men with an almost impossibly diverse set of life skills. Blue collar dads that could teach you to fix just about anything, white collar dads that knew engineering or accounting or architecture. I learned from all of them, and more than one of them straightened me the fuck out when I needed it. Some were Vietnam vets, some were actual, literal mountain men that liked to go camping like Jim Bridger with a muzzleloader rifle - no exaggeration. Most of them are dead and gone now, such is the way of things.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:11:05 PM EDT
[#13]
Lossing Chuck Noris and the Rock ought to be enough to send a message but losing vendors certainly helps. Did the BSA not learn the lesson of Bud Light?
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:22:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: The best thing scouting could have ever done was make having married parents a requirement. Karen ruins everything. Then I could never have done it. My father died when I was 6 years old. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:27:38 PM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeorgiaBII: I'm an eagle scout and don't even recognize the program anymore. Liberals have fucked it up completely Yup. It’s dead to me. I don’t even know if I still have my patches and eagle scout certificate anymore. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:28:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kanati: The best thing scouting could have ever done was make having married parents a requirement. Karen ruins everything. Dad's still don't show up. Too busy drinking and playing fantasy football. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:31:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:33:40 PM EDT
[#18]
I shot my first firearm in the Boy Scouts - Marlin Model 60, irons.
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ID, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:34:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeorgiaBII: I'm an eagle scout and don't even recognize the program anymore. Liberals have fucked it up completely Fucking A. I'm proud that I'm an Eagle Scout but what they've become these days is nothing less than a national embarrassment. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:38:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By olivers_AR: Lossing Chuck Noris and the Rock ought to be enough to send a message but losing vendors certainly helps. Did the BSA not learn the lesson of Bud Light? |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:43:20 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TheLASwamp: It's all deliberate. The left has intentionally compromised and corrupted anything and everything that symbolizes American societal and cultural values. They want to erase the entire American identity. Forcing the tearing down of statues had nothing to do with racism. They are trying to erase history. By erasing history, the left can erase the country's future. They want to corrupt any connection Americans still have with their nation. It will make the country easier for them to destroy. That's why so many American institutions are under massive assault by the communist-left who have managed to take control of most everything. This is not recent news. This was put in place since a scout was killed with a centerfire rifle. When you start killing kids in your youth shooting program it gets really costly. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:51:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: Dad's still don't show up. Too busy drinking and playing fantasy football. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RRA_223: Originally Posted By Kanati: The best thing scouting could have ever done was make having married parents a requirement. Karen ruins everything. Dad's still don't show up. Too busy drinking and playing fantasy football. True story. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:00:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: BullpupFan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By whollyshite: Trail Life is what you're looking for... https://www.traillifeusa.com/ Venturing is co-ed, and my young women don't appear welcome in a "Boy-Focused" program. Anyone else (youth shooting programs which go beyond .22LR bolt-action rifles) our unit should be looking at migrating to? |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:02:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pepe-lepew: This is not recent news. This was put in place since a scout was killed with a centerfire rifle. When you start killing kids in your youth shooting program it gets really costly. The thing is, that unit (and facility) already broke *ALL* the BSA shooting rules, so just like other forms of "gun control" we will add more rules to punish the law-abiding/rurle-following and have no effect at all on the rule-breakers. Their youth weren't in the right program, nor had the proper training, nor had the proper adult leadership to shoot centerfire, so banning the people who DID follow the rules from shooting centerfire isn't going to change anything... |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:36:22 PM EDT
[#25]
I got my Eagle and Order of the Arrow back in 1975. It hurts to see what has happened to the Boy Scouts.
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:54:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PaladinM1911: Need to bring back Y Indian Guides, loved it as a kid. https://static.wixstatic.com/media/0359ff_c7251ec9e39a4a749443f06a96660510~mv2.gif It still exists. And they let kids, even younger ones, shoot guns and climb tall things. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:55:11 PM EDT
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One of my Eagle Scouts got his Eagle badge tattooed over his heart.
I'm wondering if he's regretting that now. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:01:19 PM EDT
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4-H is doing the same shit. It's embarrassing. No more "military style" guns. I'll be surprised if 4-H shooting sports is still even allowed in ten years.
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:07:50 PM EDT
[#29]
Scouting has been dead for years sadly.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:08:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GeorgiaBII: I'm an eagle scout and don't even recognize the program anymore. Liberals have fucked it up completely Same. I dont even fucking care anymore. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:11:04 PM EDT
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Duty to God. Duty to others. Duty to self.
It seems like in recent years the country has been trying to tear down the very values I learned in Scouting. The bit about commercial ranges is also interesting. Both private nonprofit clubs I belong are far better run than any commercial range I know of. How does a range get nationally authorized? |
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:11:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By riverrockar: 4-H is doing the same shit. It's embarrassing. No more "military style" guns. I'll be surprised if 4-H shooting sports is still even allowed in ten years. No one is coming to save you. Everything is your responsibility. I just take my kids and do things with them that I think they need to, or should, do. None of these organizations matter anymore. If they still offer “something” useful or positive for your family, great. But they cannot be depended upon. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:12:39 PM EDT
[#33]
I'm an eagle, and fuck them.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:15:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By broken_reticle: The bad part isn't the centerfire. The nationally recognized camp facility or commercial facility is going to kill most events. Centerfire going bye-bye was probably part of settling the lawsuit over the kid that got shot in the head with an AK at scout camp in Hawaii. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:17:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dbrowne1]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: Centerfire going bye-bye was probably part of settling the lawsuit over the kid that got shot in the head with an AK at scout camp in Hawaii. We should completely stop teaching boys to be men and to deal with tools of men because of one idiot. Thus ensuring that such idiocy will be visited upon us and them later, millions of times over. This sounds exactly like what would happen by an organization taken over by MBAs and female HR lawyers. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:27:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ewald: Duty to God. Duty to others. Duty to self. It seems like in recent years the country has been trying to tear down the very values I learned in Scouting. The bit about commercial ranges is also interesting. Both private nonprofit clubs I belong are far better run than any commercial range I know of. How does a range get nationally authorized? Have enough liability insurance to satisfy the parents of kid that gets accidentally killed. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:36:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan: The thing is, that unit (and facility) already broke *ALL* the BSA shooting rules, so just like other forms of "gun control" we will add more rules to punish the law-abiding/rurle-following and have no effect at all on the rule-breakers. Their youth weren't in the right program, nor had the proper training, nor had the proper adult leadership to shoot centerfire, so banning the people who DID follow the rules from shooting centerfire isn't going to change anything... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan: Originally Posted By pepe-lepew: This is not recent news. This was put in place since a scout was killed with a centerfire rifle. When you start killing kids in your youth shooting program it gets really costly. The thing is, that unit (and facility) already broke *ALL* the BSA shooting rules, so just like other forms of "gun control" we will add more rules to punish the law-abiding/rurle-following and have no effect at all on the rule-breakers. Their youth weren't in the right program, nor had the proper training, nor had the proper adult leadership to shoot centerfire, so banning the people who DID follow the rules from shooting centerfire isn't going to change anything... Yup, more of the "kids are racing up and down the 35mph street at 60+ miles per hour and kill a pedestrian. Solution? Lower speed limit on the street to 25." |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrowne1: We should completely stop teaching boys to be men and to deal with tools of men because of one idiot. Thus ensuring that such idiocy will be visited upon us and them later, millions of times over. This sounds exactly like what would happen by an organization taken over by MBAs and female HR lawyers. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrowne1: Originally Posted By jwr6: Centerfire going bye-bye was probably part of settling the lawsuit over the kid that got shot in the head with an AK at scout camp in Hawaii. We should completely stop teaching boys to be men and to deal with tools of men because of one idiot. Thus ensuring that such idiocy will be visited upon us and them later, millions of times over. This sounds exactly like what would happen by an organization taken over by MBAs and female HR lawyers. Maybe, but the scouts already got tired of paying megabucks for the sins of kiddiefucking scoutmasters chartered by Baptist churches that didn't have a pot to piss in. Now they don't want to pay for any more dickheads who will let a kid fingerfuck a highpower rifle while everyone else is downrange checking targets. Here's the bottom line: the BSA is going to do it's level best to insulate itself from lawsuits. You want to take your kids to the private gun club and shoot your microuzi? Fine. That's between you and them. The BSA is just saying they aren't going to cover you if something goes south. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:45:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: Maybe, but the scouts already got tired of paying megabucks for the sins of kiddiefucking scoutmasters chartered by Baptist churches that didn't have a pot to piss in. Now they don't want to pay for any more dickheads who will let a kid fingerfuck a highpower rifle while everyone else is downrange checking targets. Here's the bottom line: the BSA is going to do it's level best to insulate itself from lawsuits. You want to take your kids to the private gun club and shoot your microuzi? Fine. That's between you and them. The BSA is just saying they aren't going to cover you if something goes south. Holy rationalization. The program formerly known as Boy Scouts had been so nerfed and feminized, in so many ways, it’s not even recognizable anymore. It’s the transitioned tranny of male programs. This firearms stuff is just one of many symptoms. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:47:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan: The thing is, that unit (and facility) already broke *ALL* the BSA shooting rules, so just like other forms of "gun control" we will add more rules to punish the law-abiding/rurle-following and have no effect at all on the rule-breakers. Their youth weren't in the right program, nor had the proper training, nor had the proper adult leadership to shoot centerfire, so banning the people who DID follow the rules from shooting centerfire isn't going to change anything... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan: Originally Posted By pepe-lepew: This is not recent news. This was put in place since a scout was killed with a centerfire rifle. When you start killing kids in your youth shooting program it gets really costly. The thing is, that unit (and facility) already broke *ALL* the BSA shooting rules, so just like other forms of "gun control" we will add more rules to punish the law-abiding/rurle-following and have no effect at all on the rule-breakers. Their youth weren't in the right program, nor had the proper training, nor had the proper adult leadership to shoot centerfire, so banning the people who DID follow the rules from shooting centerfire isn't going to change anything... Apparently the BSA's rules weren't enough, so no more centerfire on the BSA's liability dime. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:48:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BullpupFan: Stupidest part is how much of a draw shooting sports was - BB guns then .22LR bolt actions then centerfire rifles and pistols. Lot of kids who stayed in Scouting due to moving up the shooting ranks... I got my love of firearms due to the Boy Scouts. I won't volunteer my time time anymore. They are shooting themselves in the foot trying to please EVERYONE. << Eagle Scout 1983 It's not the same now. Not even close! |
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:49:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: Apparently the BSA's rules weren't enough, so no more centerfire on the BSA's liability dime. How does this keep BSA from getting sued if someone decides to simply break their rules again at one of their properties or under the aegis of one of their programs? |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:50:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OKnativeson: I'm a shooting instructor Pistol and Rifle and RSO for our District. my son got his Eagle right before it went to hell. Same here. When my credentials expire, I will not go through the process to renew them. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:50:27 PM EDT
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We would go to summer camp and a local cop would bring out a freaking tommy gun. He'd let the dads there give it a rip. Those were the days!
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:53:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: whiskerz]
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The former owner of my house was a scout leader. I have a bunch of things a scout troop could use in the garage. I could not find a troop within 50 miles of here. At one time I know he did skeet shooting here for the scouts.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:56:24 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 57fairlane]
[#46]
Our TrailLife troop just had a troop shooting event at one of the member's farm
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:58:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrowne1: Holy rationalization. The program formerly known as Boy Scouts had been so nerfed and feminized, in so many ways, it’s not even recognizable anymore. It’s the transitioned tranny of male programs. This firearms stuff is just one of many symptoms. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrowne1: Originally Posted By jwr6: Maybe, but the scouts already got tired of paying megabucks for the sins of kiddiefucking scoutmasters chartered by Baptist churches that didn't have a pot to piss in. Now they don't want to pay for any more dickheads who will let a kid fingerfuck a highpower rifle while everyone else is downrange checking targets. Here's the bottom line: the BSA is going to do it's level best to insulate itself from lawsuits. You want to take your kids to the private gun club and shoot your microuzi? Fine. That's between you and them. The BSA is just saying they aren't going to cover you if something goes south. Holy rationalization. The program formerly known as Boy Scouts had been so nerfed and feminized, in so many ways, it’s not even recognizable anymore. It’s the transitioned tranny of male programs. This firearms stuff is just one of many symptoms. It's not rationalization. It's the result of a national but highly decentralized organization getting sued into bankruptcy due to the actions of the decentralized actors. The "tranny shit"? If they have to choose between "transitioned tranny" or "biblethumping boyfuckers", tranny is going to win every single time, because trannys won't get the BSA sued. The "this is between you, me and God" boyfucker will. Single shot 22s won't get the BSA sued. Uncle Bubba's AK will. Everyone involved in BSA shooting sports knew this was coming the moment we heard the news from Hawaii. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:04:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrowne1: How does this keep BSA from getting sued if someone decides to simply break their rules again at one of their properties or under the aegis of one of their programs? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dbrowne1: Originally Posted By jwr6: Apparently the BSA's rules weren't enough, so no more centerfire on the BSA's liability dime. How does this keep BSA from getting sued if someone decides to simply break their rules again at one of their properties or under the aegis of one of their programs? Because now, having an AK on the range automatically means it it not a sanctioned BSA event. The adults are not acting on behalf of the BSA. They committed perjury on their request to use the camp, so are in fact trespassing on BSA property. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:06:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: It's not rationalization. It's the result of a national but highly decentralized organization getting sued into bankruptcy due to the actions of the decentralized actors. The "tranny shit"? If they have to choose between "transitioned tranny" or "biblethumping boyfuckers", tranny is going to win every single time, because trannys won't get the BSA sued. The "this is between you, me and God" boyfucker will. Single shot 22s won't get the BSA sued. Uncle Bubba's AK will. Everyone involved in BSA shooting sports knew this was coming the moment we heard the news from Hawaii. So again, How does this keep BSA from getting sued if someone decides to simply break their rules again at one of their properties or under the aegis of one of their programs? Lots of BSA rules got violated at the Hawaii incident, right? You can’t keep someone from having centerfire rifles at a BSA shoot any more than you can keep a scoutmaster from diddling a scout just by making a “rule,” nor can you keep BSA from being sued for either one. The difference is that centerfire rifles could and should have a legitimate role in the program. This is just more faggotry brought to us by the people who have already destroyed everything else about Boy Scouts. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:06:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: dbrowne1]
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jwr6: Because now, having an AK on the range automatically means it it not a sanctioned BSA event. The adults are not acting on behalf of the BSA. They committed perjury on their request to use the camp, so are in fact trespassing on BSA property. Lol. I can tell you’re not a lawyer. Sex abuse (which you repeatedly raise) is not a BSA sanctioned event, and BSA got sued into oblivion for those unsanctioned criminal acts. |
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