Originally Posted By swingset:


Puffing your chest out is not a counter for what you're being accused of.

Hole digging on your resume, too?
 

Originally Posted By Dudley_Brown:
I find it ironic that NRA cheerleaders could whine about ANYONE'S fundraising attempt.  That's funny.

Originally Posted By flynhghr2001:


Get back to us when:
You have a major infuence in DC
You can say that you are influencing gun rights on a national level

Originally Posted By Dudley_Brown:
Compromising?

Call up the sponsors of the Wyoming Constitutional Carry bill.  State Rep. Al Jaggi and St. Sen. Kit Jennings.
http://www.nationalgunrights.org/wyoming-passes-constitutional-carry/

Originally Posted By Dudley_Brown:
Compromising?

Call up the sponsors of the Wyoming Constitutional Carry bill.  State Rep. Al Jaggi and St. Sen. Kit Jennings.
http://www.nationalgunrights.org/wyoming-passes-constitutional-carry/

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:







Why?



The NRA is the voice of American gun owners and is the big player in the halls of Congress.



Support the NRA.



(Life and Benefactor NRA member.)

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:


Why?

The NRA is the voice of American gun owners and is the big player in the halls of Congress.

Support the NRA.

(Life and Benefactor NRA member.)

Originally Posted By cyborg543:


Exactly.

The NRA ran $40 million worth of anti-obama ads in the last election.

How many dollars were spent by the professional NRA bashers?

Or the tier-one retards that show up here on arfcom to trade anti-NRA bullshit back and forth?

Originally Posted By 1911roben:

Have you ever heard of the Hughes Amendment, circa April 1986?   NRA supported that bill and lost me (and millions of others) <u>Forever</u> by doing so.   I know they don't mention stuff like this in their weekly snail mails, but if you check, you will find that it is true.

Originally Posted By Rogue-Sasquatch:


Cite where it is illegal in federal law for you to disclose your organization's candidate endorsement to non-members as you stated in your mail.

Or, don a felt bank robber mask, a red-and-white striped shirt, and post a video of yourself singing the Calvin and Hobbes "I'm Very Sorry Song".

The choice is yours.

Originally Posted By Heartbreaker1373:


"NAGR"? Seriously?





http://tvmedia.ign.com/tv/image/article/844/844539/south-park-20080109061909598.jpg

Originally Posted By Dudley_Brown:


Goodbye, children.  



Have a rant in your little sandbox.

Originally Posted By Dudley_Brown:
Goodbye, children.  

Have a rant in your little sandbox.

Originally Posted By Dudley_Brown:


Goodbye, children.  



Have a rant in your little sandbox.

Originally Posted By Dudley_Brown:

Goodbye, children.



Have a rant in your little sandbox.

Originally Posted By Dudley_Brown:


Goodbye, children.  



Have a rant in your little sandbox.

Originally Posted By Old_Painless:


Why?

The NRA is the voice of American gun owners and is the big player in the halls of Congress.

Support the NRA.

(Life and Benefactor NRA member.)

Originally Posted By Dudley_Brown:
Goodbye, children.  

Have a rant in your little sandbox.

Originally Posted By www-glock19-com:

Cuz they send me mailers wanting money and maybe call 1-2x a year OMG BBQ Derp Derp Derp  

 

Originally Posted By Dudley_Brown:
Goodbye, children.  

Have a rant in your little sandbox.

Originally Posted By DON70:







While I disagree with some of the NRAs activities they are the strongest national gun rights organization we have.  Anyone who owns a gun and is not a member is relying on those of us that are to protect their gun rights.  This is especially true of some hunters that think the gun grabbers are not after their rifles.

Originally Posted By Lumpy03:


*crickets*

and, THANK YOU, Hard Rock !!!!

'03

Originally Posted By Autarkis:
Mr. Brown, I too have been to the RMGO site and I actually like some of the things you've done locally for Colorado.  It's nice having some local focus for some of our issues that don't make national headlines.  I've even used your report a merchant for posting "no guns signs" feature since it helps us locals to determine what businesses to support.  I even like that you give reported merchants to oppurtunity to redeem themselves and regain support from patrons who concealed carry.

Where I draw the line is where much of the other Arfcommers have spoken up... The blatant lies in fundraising letters and emails that you send out.  There was also one you sent out opposing the National Reciprocity Act for Concealed Carry (I can't remember the exact title of the bill right now).  The NRA even posted a response article in the most recent issue of American Rifleman directed at the Pro-gun groups who were using the NRA and support of the bill to raise money by claiming that the bill was some kind of government conspiracy for a national registration.  When I get home tonight I'll try and find the online version of the article and post it oin this thread.  In that article the NRA called out groups like yours for the dishonest tactics you use in order to raise money and membership; they were just too polite to call you out by name.

I'll even say that I've had issues with the NRA and some of the positions they've taken in the past.  Hell, I remember when they were pretty much just a supporter of FUDDs.  But they have done a lot of work in the past decade or so to support defensive use, NFA ownership, concealed carry... need I go on?  Even in their most recent magazine, there was an article promoting supressor ownership, their benefits, and why supressors have a bad reputation thatks to Hollywood moviemakers.  Plus there's been the sweeping support of AR ownership and the expanded use in hunting, competition and other traditional fields that, until recently, would never have been considered proper for owners of those evil black rifles to be seen around.

I find it reprehensible that you, Mr. Brown, and others like you would use tactics to pit gun rights supporters against one another and against other gun rights groups when we should all be on the same side fighting against scum like George Soros and all the anti-gun groups his billions support.

Originally Posted By Dudley_Brown:
You don't think giving money to a candidate is protecting them?

If you're that naive, fella, I want to play poker with you.  Bring lots of money.

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:


Ladies and gents––I think this thread contains important and worthwhile information.  "Gun people" are typically honest and upright folks, so when a scammer is outted it's important to have the information available to all.  With that in mind I have toggled the archive status of this thread so it will not ever go to the Archive.  You will be able to find it via search (for those who don't want to save it to Favorites) with a keyword like "scam" from the title.



 This "NAGR" group is bad news––let's make sure everyone concerned with the RKBA struggle finds this out.  

Originally Posted By DON70:





Contact them and tell them you don't want the mailers.   That's a minor matter to be disgusted over.

Originally Posted By thebeekeeper1:







You have completely trashed your own credibility and reputation.  Rest assured this will follow you.  

Originally Posted By Casper507:
Is this one of those hunter's rights groups where the heads contribute millions to the democrats and even contribute to Handgun Control Inc.?

Originally Posted By Wespe:


So what organizations that fight for gun rights are okay to join?

Originally Posted By 1911roben:

Just FYI, GOA has been around since 1976, iirc.  They failed to stop FOPA as well.

Also, are you being morally consistant and NOT benefitting from FOPA until you forgive the NRA?  Or are you criticizing them while benefitting?
NRA Supported the FOPA circa 1986.   (Which included the Hughes Amendment –– ie the Machine Gun Ban.)   I was an annual member from 1978 thru 1986.   I find it difficult to accept their justification for supporting FOPA and doubt I will ever forgive them.    GOA is growing and they do not (as of yet) compromise.

Originally Posted By 2tom2:

 

 I still am having a WTF moment from reading the responses from Mr Brown. He is going to have a tough time playing on the national level with that attitude. Don't throw a crap sandwich out for gun owners and expect us  to feast on it and don't get huffy when called out on it.

we know the difference.

Originally Posted By Autarkis:
Mr. Brown, I too have been to the RMGO site and I actually like some of the things you've done locally for Colorado.  It's nice having some local focus for some of our issues that don't make national headlines.  I've even used your report a merchant for posting "no guns signs" feature since it helps us locals to determine what businesses to support.  I even like that you give reported merchants to oppurtunity to redeem themselves and regain support from patrons who concealed carry.

Where I draw the line is where much of the other Arfcommers have spoken up... The blatant lies in fundraising letters and emails that you send out.  There was also one you sent out opposing the National Reciprocity Act for Concealed Carry (I can't remember the exact title of the bill right now).  The NRA even posted a response article in the most recent issue of American Rifleman directed at the Pro-gun groups who were using the NRA and support of the bill to raise money by claiming that the bill was some kind of government conspiracy for a national registration.  When I get home tonight I'll try and find the online version of the article and post it oin this thread.  In that article the NRA called out groups like yours for the dishonest tactics you use in order to raise money and membership; they were just too polite to call you out by name.

I'll even say that I've had issues with the NRA and some of the positions they've taken in the past.  Hell, I remember when they were pretty much just a supporter of FUDDs.  But they have done a lot of work in the past decade or so to support defensive use, NFA ownership, concealed carry... need I go on?  Even in their most recent magazine, there was an article promoting supressor ownership, their benefits, and why supressors have a bad reputation thatks to Hollywood moviemakers.  Plus there's been the sweeping support of AR ownership and the expanded use in hunting, competition and other traditional fields that, until recently, would never have been considered proper for owners of those evil black rifles to be seen around.

I find it reprehensible that you, Mr. Brown, and others like you would use tactics to pit gun rights supporters against one another and against other gun rights groups when we should all be on the same side fighting against scum like George Soros and all the anti-gun groups his billions support.

Political Report

By Chris W. Cox
NRA-ILA Executive Director

Exploding the Myths About National Right to Carry

Here at NRA-ILA, we fly in a constant headwind of disinformation. Anti-gun groups generate outlandish claims on a daily basis and the biased media parrots their propaganda without question. We are constantly correcting the lies, misstatements and half-truths that our political opponents strew in our path.

In truth, I don’t mind because there is a positive side effect. Anti-gun groups erode their own credibility with every provable lie. By the same token, we build our own credibility every time we disprove an absurd statement made by the enemies of freedom.

What I do mind is when small, self-described “pro-gun” groups constantly sound false alarms about solid pro-gun reform legislation in an effort to raise money. These repeat offenders peddle misinformation as the gospel. They dilute the good work your NRA staff and fellow members do to protect the Second Amendment.

Friendly fire is an all-too-common accident in war, but these misrepresentations are different—they’re intentional. I’m especially thinking about the misguided, unfounded and just plain wrong information circulating on the Internet lately regarding H.R. 822—the “National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2011,” which has just been favorably reported by the U.S. House Judiciary Committee.

H.R. 822 is a good bill. It enhances Americans’ right to self-defense by enabling millions of permit holders to exercise their right to self-defense while traveling outside their home states. It would allow any person with a valid state-issued concealed firearm permit to carry a concealed firearm in any state that issues concealed firearm permits, or that does not prohibit the carrying of concealed firearms for lawful purposes.

H.R. 822 would not create a federal registration or licensing system, nor would it establish a minimum federal standard for permits. Rather, it would simply require states to recognize each others’ carry permits, just as they recognize carry permits held by armored car guards or drivers’ licenses held by average citizens.

But myths about the bill continue to be generated by these self-proclaimed “gun rights” supporters who have no active lobbying presence in Congress or any state legislature.

One myth suggests that H.R. 822 would involve the federal bureaucracy in setting standards for carry permits—such as higher fees, waiting periods, national gun owner registration or worse. In truth, H.R. 822 doesn’t authorize any such action by any federal agency. No federal rules or regulations would be needed to implement H.R. 822, which simply overrides certain state laws.

Another myth holds that H.R. 822 would undercut permitless carry laws such as those in Arizona, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming. In reality, H.R. 822 would have absolutely no effect on how the permitless carry states’ laws work within those states. If you live in Arizona, Alaska or Wyoming, where permits are not required but remain available under state law, H.R. 822 would make your permit valid in all states that issue permits to their own residents—in other words, everywhere except Illinois and the District of Columbia. And if you live in Vermont, where no permits are issued or required, you could still get a nonresident permit from any other state to enjoy the same benefits.

Another myth suggests that when H.R. 822 moves through the legislative process, it will be subject to anti-gun amendments. If we let ourselves be paralyzed by that fear, we could never promote any pro-gun reform legislation anywhere.

Instead, we move ahead to make positive changes for gun owners because we know we can avoid or defeat anti-gun amendments by careful vote counting and strategic use of legislative procedure. This was proven when the House Judiciary Committee considered amendments to H.R. 822. Anti-gun lawmakers offered a blizzard of amendments to weaken or gut the legislation, or just to score political points against Second Amendment supporters. Every one of those amendments was easily defeated.

If you see or hear these myths continue to circulate, you might want to ask the sources why they continue to spread misinformation. (While you’re at it, you can ask them what exactly they intend to do with the money they’re asking you to send.)

But enough about the myths. Let’s talk about the truth: H.R. 822 is solid, positive, pro-gun reform legislation and it’s a natural extension of our success in enacting Right-to-Carry laws at the state level. That’s why NRA-ILA is strongly supporting it. By the time you read this column, the bill may already have come to the floor of the U.S. House. If so, it will need your help to get through the Senate. Visit www.NRAILA.org today to see the bill’s current status, and use the “Write Your Reps” tool to express your support for this important bill.