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Quoted: And we're back to "sorry your girl lost." Maybe instead of coping you can say your guy isn't perfect and he made mistakes. It's going to be hard. But intellectual honesty is important if you want people to take you seriously. View Quote Trump fucked us on gun rights. Trump will again fuck us on gun rights if elected. But 'sorry your girl lost' applies here. We are in much the same situation: it was choose between Hillary or Trump then and its chose between Biden or Trump now. Beating a drum against Trump is seen as support for Biden now, and Hillary then. Attack Trump all you want because he hates guns, but you will earn SYGL from those who would rather have Trump as president than Biden. SYGL. |
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Quoted: Trump fucked us on gun rights. Trump will again fuck us on gun rights if elected. But 'sorry your girl lost' applies here. We are in much the same situation: it was choose between Hillary or Trump then and its chose between Biden or Trump now. Beating a drum against Trump is seen as support for Biden now, and Hillary then. Attack Trump all you want because he hates guns, but you will earn SYGL from those who would rather have Trump as president than Biden. SYGL. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: And we're back to "sorry your girl lost." Maybe instead of coping you can say your guy isn't perfect and he made mistakes. It's going to be hard. But intellectual honesty is important if you want people to take you seriously. Trump fucked us on gun rights. Trump will again fuck us on gun rights if elected. But 'sorry your girl lost' applies here. We are in much the same situation: it was choose between Hillary or Trump then and its chose between Biden or Trump now. Beating a drum against Trump is seen as support for Biden now, and Hillary then. Attack Trump all you want because he hates guns, but you will earn SYGL from those who would rather have Trump as president than Biden. SYGL. It’s a race to the bottom. |
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[#3]
26 USC § 5845(b)
The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. Since bump stock does not allow the weapon to fire more than One shot per trigger pull, then its not a machine gun. Simply, if congress wants to change the 26 USC § 5845(b), then they should do so, but in the mean time, government needs to stand behind that which is currently law, as well as the supreme court as well. |
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[#5]
The Supreme Court by and large do not believe in the constitution.
They will rule against bump stocks. |
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[#7]
Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: No, I think he would be better than Biden, because that’s who the choices will be. One of the two will become President. You can post all the links you want, but that will not change the above facts. Feel free to waste the opportunity to vote against Biden, but if you do, please shut the fuck up about gun rights. You are a fool. Sage wisdom. Check your Word document for a link refuting anything I just said. Please stay in CA No. |
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[#8]
Quoted: Maybe or maybe not. We shall see. One thing is for sure. Relying on SCOTUS to save us from the charlatans we elect is the epitome of stupidity. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The Supreme Court by and large do not believe in the constitution. They will rule against bump stocks. Maybe or maybe not. We shall see. One thing is for sure. Relying on SCOTUS to save us from the charlatans we elect is the epitome of stupidity. He-is-right-you-know.jpg |
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[#9]
Quoted: Trump fucked us on gun rights. Trump will again fuck us on gun rights if elected. But 'sorry your girl lost' applies here. We are in much the same situation: it was choose between Hillary or Trump then and its chose between Biden or Trump now. Beating a drum against Trump is seen as support for Biden now, and Hillary then. Attack Trump all you want because he hates guns, but you will earn SYGL from those who would rather have Trump as president than Biden. SYGL. View Quote At least your post had a little bit of nuance. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Supreme Court by and large do not believe in the constitution. They will rule against bump stocks. Maybe or maybe not. We shall see. One thing is for sure. Relying on SCOTUS to save us from the charlatans we elect is the epitome of stupidity. He-is-right-you-know.jpg Do you think Hilary’s judges would have allow such an outcome? |
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[#12]
We'll see what they say
I did see this ...along with scenarios unlikely to persuade judges who equate “common use” with widespread commercial popularity. View Quote And laughed considering in every thread about a media piece on glock switches usually highlighting the worst people doing the worst things, some in gd bleat COMMON USE |
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Quoted: 26 USC § 5845(b) The term “machinegun” means any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot, without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger. The term shall also include the frame or receiver of any such weapon, any part designed and intended solely and exclusively, or combination of parts designed and intended, for use in converting a weapon into a machinegun, and any combination of parts from which a machinegun can be assembled if such parts are in the possession or under the control of a person. Since bump stock does not allow the weapon to fire more than One shot per trigger pull, then its not a machine gun. Simply, if congress wants to change the 26 USC § 5845(b), then they should do so, but in the mean time, government needs to stand behind that which is currently law, as well as the supreme court as well. View Quote So the question is - by placing and holding your finger in one spot and the gun repeatedly discharges by bumping agianst your finger with the aid of a mechanical addition, is that a single function of the trigger? You say no. I also say no. Many people do not say no - including some Justices of the USSC say moving your finger and holding it at one spot, is a single function of the trigger? The question now, is how many will say yes, just moving and holding your finger still, is indeed a single function and equipment to do so makes it a machine gun. Jac-yes Sot Yes Keg - Yes its a machine gun and sides with ATF, and write majority opinion Rob - Yes Barrett - Yes (high probably) Gorsich - Yes (probably) Kav - No Ali No THOM-no |
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[#14]
The issue with the bump stock ban is fairly simple. The law has a fairly clear definition of a machine gun. The bump stock ban wants to erase that and make anything that makes a gun shoot faster a machine gun.
That is problematic - what is next? We have over 200 years of innovation to make guns shoot faster. If they wanted to, they could go all the way back to percussion caps and try to claim that the founding father's never envisioned them - after all they were not common till 60 years latter. How about metallic cartridges, how about magazines (even non-detachable). 1 shot per minute could be the final ruling. Of course the only real absurdity is that all of these were common before the NFA - so you can not argue that the were NFA loopholes. That said, the Gatling gun also existed before the NFA and is not a machine gun. |
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Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How now, cultists? Get back to us when you can find the bumpstock law he signed. Trump talks. The ATF overreaches. Think this community would realize that by now. https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftse2.mm.bing.net%2Fth%3Fid%3DOIP.hKzOqioz1LuILgQspPSjRwHaFE%26pid%3DApi&f=1&ipt=5fe11c941ce1738147f18c765b310b482e6565a1d9350123c6bee6a36606c2d5&ipo=images https://i.imgur.com/hhMKS0f.jpg The trump humpers won’t care. If you point out orange Jesus isn’t pro 2a they automatically think you wanted killery. Fact is there were better candidates within the Republican Party who could’ve beat Hitlery. There are better candidates this time around that could beat Bidet… There are things trump did right but none of those were in the realm of the 2a |
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[#16]
Quoted: Well for God's sakes we better not make the same mistake twice and vote for Trump. Be sure and re-elect Biden so that we don't have to worry about 2nd ammendment violations or attacks on other civil liberties like free speech. Biden is here for us. View Quote Right, because primaries certainly are not the time to pick a candidate that would be pro 2a… I feel like we were doing primaries just a week or two ago… strange. |
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Quoted: So the question is - by placing and holding your finger in one spot and the gun repeatedly discharges by bumping agianst your finger with the aid of a mechanical addition, is that a single function of the trigger? You say no. I also say no. Many people do not say no - including some Justices of the USSC say moving your finger and holding it at one spot, is a single function of the trigger? The question now, is how many will say yes, just moving and holding your finger still, is indeed a single function and equipment to do so makes it a machine gun. Jac-yes Sot Yes Keg - Yes its a machine gun and sides with ATF, and write majority opinion Rob - Yes Barrett - Yes (high probably) Gorsich - Yes (probably) Kav - No Ali No THOM-no View Quote The fact that bumpfire can be done unaided should put this all to rest. The same process occurs when bumpfiring without a bumpstock as with. The bumpstock just makes it safer and less uncontrollable. |
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Quoted: Well for God's sakes we better not make the same mistake twice and vote for Trump. Be sure and re-elect Biden so that we don't have to worry about 2nd ammendment violations or attacks on other civil liberties like free speech. Biden is here for us. View Quote Yes He Is! problem is, where he wants to put us! Attached File |
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Quoted: The fact that bumpfire can be done unaided should put this all to rest. The same process occurs when bumpfiring without a bumpstock as with. The bumpstock just makes it safer and less uncontrollable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So the question is - by placing and holding your finger in one spot and the gun repeatedly discharges by bumping agianst your finger with the aid of a mechanical addition, is that a single function of the trigger? You say no. I also say no. Many people do not say no - including some Justices of the USSC say moving your finger and holding it at one spot, is a single function of the trigger? The question now, is how many will say yes, just moving and holding your finger still, is indeed a single function and equipment to do so makes it a machine gun. Jac-yes Sot Yes Keg - Yes its a machine gun and sides with ATF, and write majority opinion Rob - Yes Barrett - Yes (high probably) Gorsich - Yes (probably) Kav - No Ali No THOM-no The fact that bumpfire can be done unaided should put this all to rest. The same process occurs when bumpfiring without a bumpstock as with. The bumpstock just makes it safer and less uncontrollable. Attached File |
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Quoted: The fact that bumpfire can be done unaided should put this all to rest. The same process occurs when bumpfiring without a bumpstock as with. The bumpstock just makes it safer and less uncontrollable. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: So the question is - by placing and holding your finger in one spot and the gun repeatedly discharges by bumping agianst your finger with the aid of a mechanical addition, is that a single function of the trigger? You say no. I also say no. Many people do not say no - including some Justices of the USSC say moving your finger and holding it at one spot, is a single function of the trigger? The question now, is how many will say yes, just moving and holding your finger still, is indeed a single function and equipment to do so makes it a machine gun. Jac-yes Sot Yes Keg - Yes its a machine gun and sides with ATF, and write majority opinion Rob - Yes Barrett - Yes (high probably) Gorsich - Yes (probably) Kav - No Ali No THOM-no The fact that bumpfire can be done unaided should put this all to rest. The same process occurs when bumpfiring without a bumpstock as with. The bumpstock just makes it safer and less uncontrollable. So that's a valid question for sure. So much so, that the banners have addressed it already as one involves careful manipulation of a gun that was not designed or intended to function automatically and requires careful two handed application of the operator manually pulling the gun forward by hand,, and the other uses the aid of a mechanical system. I dont really think that's such a convincing argument, but that's been the answer that has been given. I think dismissal of the first argument though that a mechanical system that allows one to hold the finger stationary while the gun fires repeatedly, is way overdismissed here and will be the basis they willl make a decision. The wrinkle to that one, as much as anything, is your point of how is that different than bumpfiring something like an AK (which is easy to bumpfire)? The dismissals by their side of that question are a bit casual. I think they can handwave enough to convince themselves it's different but the undedicated and the fence-sitters might be slower on that one. |
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The "trigger function" argument is a technical one. I sat in federal court when Nolo and team argued (bump stock, I think) and I watched the three judge panel struggle with the concept. It makes me wonder how any court makes decisions in technical cases of chemistry, physics, patents, etc. They may know the law, but they know jack shit about technology. I guarantee this next decision will be flawed.
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Quoted: Do you think Hilary’s judges would have allow such an outcome? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Supreme Court by and large do not believe in the constitution. They will rule against bump stocks. Maybe or maybe not. We shall see. One thing is for sure. Relying on SCOTUS to save us from the charlatans we elect is the epitome of stupidity. He-is-right-you-know.jpg Do you think Hilary’s judges would have allow such an outcome? Irrelevant speculation. Losing the legislature leads to shitty laws. Electing democrats and moderate democrats with an “r” after their name leads to shitty laws. |
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Quoted: The fact that bumpfire can be done unaided should put this all to rest. The same process occurs when bumpfiring without a bumpstock as with. The bumpstock just makes it safer and less uncontrollable. View Quote Hold it in one hand touching nothing else. How many times does it go bang? |
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Quoted: Irrelevant speculation. Losing the legislature leads to shitty laws. Electing democrats and moderate democrats with an “r” after their name leads to shitty laws. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The Supreme Court by and large do not believe in the constitution. They will rule against bump stocks. Maybe or maybe not. We shall see. One thing is for sure. Relying on SCOTUS to save us from the charlatans we elect is the epitome of stupidity. He-is-right-you-know.jpg Do you think Hilary’s judges would have allow such an outcome? Irrelevant speculation. Losing the legislature leads to shitty laws. Electing democrats and moderate democrats with an “r” after their name leads to shitty laws. Bingo |
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[#27]
Quoted: You're right. It would have been far better for America had Hillary Klinton won. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: How now, cultists? You're right. It would have been far better for America had Hillary Klinton won. Likely voted for her, Biden, Obama, and God only knows who else. In my observation, that one attacks TRUMP just a little less than Leticia James. Considering she has the MSM on her side, that says something. |
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Quoted: And do you remember the NRA putting the idea in his head, and agreeing to it? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: He didn't sign a law. He told the ATF to ban them without any legislation. You do see how that's even worse right? And do you remember the NRA putting the idea in his head, and agreeing to it? Who gives a shit? Do you follow through on every dumbass idea put into your head? Trump is responsible for his own actions. |
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[#30]
Quoted: Hold it in one hand touching nothing else. How many times does it go bang? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: The fact that bumpfire can be done unaided should put this all to rest. The same process occurs when bumpfiring without a bumpstock as with. The bumpstock just makes it safer and less uncontrollable. Hold it in one hand touching nothing else. How many times does it go bang? Only once. But a real machine gun will dump the entire magazine. |
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[#32]
Quoted: I'll write in Donald Duck because Trump is going to get is ass handed to him in Nov and I'll say "I fucking told you retards to nominate someone else" as much as I want. I voted for Trump twice, I'm not going to be fooled, coerced, or guilted into doing it again. Every single swinging dick that voted for him in the primary this year is culpable for the predictable deafeat of Trump that's soon to follow. View Quote Emotionally I get it. But we both know that there are two candidates and one will win. That's the deal, I don't like it either but that's the reality. Even you can recognize that one of those candidates is worse for our general interests than the other, stipulating that given a magic wand we'd chose neither. Trump might be the most flawed candidate you ever vote for...although I'm not that optimistic...but he's still less bad than the policies that Biden will enact...has already enacted. The border is an existential crisis. The first real one in a while for this country. I'm as pro 2a as anyone here, I live in enemy territory with the laws that most only worry about. Jurisprudence is made because our laws are so fucked up. Trump isn't a 2a guy. He's a North East liberal with pathological personality disorders. No question. He's still a better choice than writing in Donald duck and having a Biden victory. It sucks but we aren't fixing it before Nov. |
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Quoted: Bro could literally sign an awb and people here would would claim "yeah well Bidens would have been worse" We had a better choice. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/439317/2bv068-1342905.jpg View Quote Now what are you going to do? Virtue signal if it makes you feel better. But you still have a shit sandwich to eat. |
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[#34]
SCOTUS should rule that it is unconstitutional for the government to arm itself with any firearms banned by its citizens.
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[#35]
Ok there's basically 2 contenders for POTUS. Many people are pissed over the bumpstock ban. I get it.
But the other choice is Biden who supported the 94 AWB/mag ban. If he has his way we get that again and maybe worse. Supporting either isn't a choice. To the naysayers who will honestly be better? |
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just an analysis, but if a thing that doesnt change the trigger in any way can make a gun a machine gun despite that the legislature clearly defined machine gun and it doesnt meet the definition, then essentially chevron is back on the books and atf would have grounds to call a finger and thus by extension all semi auto's machine guns. hopefully these 9 mental giants can fathom the consequences of that. not holding my breath.
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[#38]
Quoted: Best President Ever View Quote Don't forget Reagan: Mulford Act as Ca Gov, as president, he banned ownership of fully automatic rifles and he supported 1993’s Brady Bill and 1994’s Assault Weapons Ban. And George W Bush supported several mild gun control measures and vowed to sign a renewal of the Klinton Assault Weapons Ban if it reached his desk. They are all the same. |
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[#39]
Quoted: That's the electoral equivalent of taking your ball and going home. Emotionally I get it. But we both know that there are two candidates and one will win. That's the deal, I don't like it either but that's the reality. Even you can recognize that one of those candidates is worse for our general interests than the other, stipulating that given a magic wand we'd chose neither. Trump might be the most flawed candidate you ever vote for...although I'm not that optimistic...but he's still less bad than the policies that Biden will enact...has already enacted. The border is an existential crisis. The first real one in a while for this country. I'm as pro 2a as anyone here, I live in enemy territory with the laws that most only worry about. Jurisprudence is made because our laws are so fucked up. Trump isn't a 2a guy. He's a North East liberal with pathological personality disorders. No question. He's still a better choice than writing in Donald duck and having a Biden victory. It sucks but we aren't fixing it before Nov. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'll write in Donald Duck because Trump is going to get is ass handed to him in Nov and I'll say "I fucking told you retards to nominate someone else" as much as I want. I voted for Trump twice, I'm not going to be fooled, coerced, or guilted into doing it again. Every single swinging dick that voted for him in the primary this year is culpable for the predictable deafeat of Trump that's soon to follow. Emotionally I get it. But we both know that there are two candidates and one will win. That's the deal, I don't like it either but that's the reality. Even you can recognize that one of those candidates is worse for our general interests than the other, stipulating that given a magic wand we'd chose neither. Trump might be the most flawed candidate you ever vote for...although I'm not that optimistic...but he's still less bad than the policies that Biden will enact...has already enacted. The border is an existential crisis. The first real one in a while for this country. I'm as pro 2a as anyone here, I live in enemy territory with the laws that most only worry about. Jurisprudence is made because our laws are so fucked up. Trump isn't a 2a guy. He's a North East liberal with pathological personality disorders. No question. He's still a better choice than writing in Donald duck and having a Biden victory. It sucks but we aren't fixing it before Nov. I hear you and I won't judge you for reluctantly voting for him. I've voted for the lesser of two evils in 6 elections. This time though I won't be voting for someone who is quite literally anti 2A and advocated for suspending the constitution. The GOP needs to unfuck itself, and it never will if we keep reluctantly supporting whatever retarded dog-shit candidate they force on us. |
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Quoted: I hear you and I won't judge you for reluctantly voting for him. I've voted for the lesser of two evils in 6 elections. This time though I won't be voting for someone who is quite literally anti 2A and advocated for suspending the constitution. The GOP needs to unfuck itself, and it never will if we keep reluctantly supporting whatever retarded dog-shit candidate they force on us. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'll write in Donald Duck because Trump is going to get is ass handed to him in Nov and I'll say "I fucking told you retards to nominate someone else" as much as I want. I voted for Trump twice, I'm not going to be fooled, coerced, or guilted into doing it again. Every single swinging dick that voted for him in the primary this year is culpable for the predictable deafeat of Trump that's soon to follow. Emotionally I get it. But we both know that there are two candidates and one will win. That's the deal, I don't like it either but that's the reality. Even you can recognize that one of those candidates is worse for our general interests than the other, stipulating that given a magic wand we'd chose neither. Trump might be the most flawed candidate you ever vote for...although I'm not that optimistic...but he's still less bad than the policies that Biden will enact...has already enacted. The border is an existential crisis. The first real one in a while for this country. I'm as pro 2a as anyone here, I live in enemy territory with the laws that most only worry about. Jurisprudence is made because our laws are so fucked up. Trump isn't a 2a guy. He's a North East liberal with pathological personality disorders. No question. He's still a better choice than writing in Donald duck and having a Biden victory. It sucks but we aren't fixing it before Nov. I hear you and I won't judge you for reluctantly voting for him. I've voted for the lesser of two evils in 6 elections. This time though I won't be voting for someone who is quite literally anti 2A and advocated for suspending the constitution. The GOP needs to unfuck itself, and it never will if we keep reluctantly supporting whatever retarded dog-shit candidate they force on us. That's been the GOP as a whole for decades. It's not going to change, the 2A is political irrelevant and unfixable via the electoral process at the national level. There is no magical conservative that is going to usher in the restoration of the 2A via the Presidency, because it can just be undone in the next administration. The only, slim chance there is, as has been shown over the last 20 years, is the USSC and positive changes at the State level. |
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