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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:31:19 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:33:42 AM EDT
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Crikey
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:37:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
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Future warfare,especially near future warfare is going to be horrific.
Probably see an end to large multi billion dollar , sitting duck carrier groups packed with thousands of American servicemen in the next 20 years as they will be too easy of a target for every turd with a naval drone, even shitbird terrorist organizations could badly damage / sink carriers / kill thousands in one swoop. Casualties in even minor fights will be horrific. Future will probably be drove vs drone warfare, smaller unmanned AI controlled ships / subs / flying drones / robotic German weasel sized tanks / fighting vehicles. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:39:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: Future warfare,especially near future warfare is going to be horrific. Probably see an end to carrier groups in the next 20 years as they will be too easy of a target for every turd with a naval drone, even shitbird terrorist organizations could badly damage / sink carriers. Casualties in even minor fights will be horrific. not really...we just need to become better at counter measures. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:42:19 AM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: not really...we just need to become better at counter measures. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: Originally Posted By buck19delta: Future warfare,especially near future warfare is going to be horrific. Probably see an end to carrier groups in the next 20 years as they will be too easy of a target for every turd with a naval drone, even shitbird terrorist organizations could badly damage / sink carriers. Casualties in even minor fights will be horrific. not really...we just need to become better at counter measures. Not sure enough counter measures exist with stealth tech combined with AI in compact drone configurations. One large typical diesel submarine is easy to spot, but for 1/100th the cost you could produce 100s of smaller drone versions which could simply sit on the bottom and wait for your ships to sail above them. Pretend to be schools of dolphin / fish / whales. We’re really entering a crazy never before seen type of warfare and the learning curve is going to be horrific, as Ukraine vs Russia has proven, even navy ships hundreds of miles from the front are blowing up suddenly due to these things. We are shooting down dozens of small flying drones attacking our ships currently, but how well would that work vs submarine / self guided torpedos with hundreds of miles of range ? How could a carrier defend against say, 50-100 ai controlled propane tank sized submarine / basically self guiding torpedos ? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:44:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepersCreepers: Crikey  |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:44:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: not really...we just need to become better at counter measures. Look at all the counter measures we used in Iraq and Afghanistan to try and weed out ieds. Rhinos, rf interference and all that jazz. Shit didn’t work a lot of the time. Now imagine 150 propane tank ieds flying at you. Fuck. That. I’m glad I’m out. |
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CA, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:48:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepersCreepers: Crikey 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:56:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepersCreepers: Crikey golf clap |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:56:17 AM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrMackey: Look at all the counter measures we used in Iraq and Afghanistan to try and weed out ieds. Rhinos, rf interference and all that jazz. Shit didn’t work a lot of the time. Now imagine 150 propane tank ieds flying at you. Fuck. That. I’m glad I’m out. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MrMackey: Originally Posted By midcap: not really...we just need to become better at counter measures. Look at all the counter measures we used in Iraq and Afghanistan to try and weed out ieds. Rhinos, rf interference and all that jazz. Shit didn’t work a lot of the time. Now imagine 150 propane tank ieds flying at you. Fuck. That. I’m glad I’m out. With AI you could just park ied drones in bushes, buildings, camouflaged, etc which could sit or days or weeks looking for preprogrammed targets, letting cars, busses and trucks pass, and then when it spots a enemy vehicle it rolls out on tracks or wheels, runs out on legs, or simply aims and rakes you with heavy machine gun fire / launches a antitank rocket / EFP thru the side of your vehicle and nails you. You could create stand alone ieds / efps that only detonate when a recognized enemy rolls over, zero overwatch, zero command detonated, just sits and lets hundreds / thousands of civilian vehicles / friendly vehicles drive over it but recognizes enemy vehicles/ uniforms / weapons and arms and detonates when they pass. Ai controlled civilian vehicle vibeds, packed with explosives, Or flies / rolls / crawls into your trench / bunker / fortifications at night. Rc truck sized tracked / wheeled ieds that drive themselves. Cheap, easy to make, and very hard to detect / stop. * Shudder. * |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:56:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepersCreepers: Crikey  |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 11:59:47 AM EDT
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All electronic devices have a major weakness. EMPs can disable them. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:02:03 PM EDT
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Isn’t there some quote along these lines-
I do not know what weapons WW3 will be fought with, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:09:28 PM EDT
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So weeks after we show off our "Manta Ray" drone they show off a piece of fiberglass painted like an actual Ray with a sloppy tail?
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:10:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DVCER: Isn’t there some quote along these lines- I do not know what weapons WW3 will be fought with, but WW4 will be fought with sticks and stones. I think it's usually attributed to Einstein. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:32:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepersCreepers: Crikey |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:37:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepersCreepers: Crikey lol |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:40:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta:How could a carrier defend against say, 50-100 ai controlled propane tank sized submarine / basically self guiding torpedos ? The same way the Navy has dealt with torpedoes and mines for the last hundred plus years possibly? 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:40:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By missychapo: All electronic devices have a major weakness. EMPs can disable them. 1st How are you going to employ an EMP without setting off a nuke? 2nd Also what about all your own electronics? 3rd shielding. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:41:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 56xdx_Z]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: With AI you could just park ied drones in bushes, buildings, camouflaged, etc which could sit or days or weeks looking for preprogrammed targets, letting cars, busses and trucks pass, and then when it spots a enemy vehicle it rolls out on tracks or wheels, runs out on legs, or simply aims and rakes you with heavy machine gun fire / launches a antitank rocket / EFP thru the side of your vehicle and nails you. You could create stand alone ieds / efps that only detonate when a recognized enemy rolls over, zero overwatch, zero command detonated, just sits and lets hundreds / thousands of civilian vehicles / friendly vehicles drive over it but recognizes enemy vehicles/ uniforms / weapons and arms and detonates when they pass. Ai controlled civilian vehicle vibeds, packed with explosives, Or flies / rolls / crawls into your trench / bunker / fortifications at night. Rc truck sized tracked / wheeled ieds that drive themselves. Cheap, easy to make, and very hard to detect / stop. * Shudder. * Also imagined WWIII might have drones that are able to lie in wait for targets. Maybe autonomous drones, that come flying out of a shipping container in swarms, then fly everywhere and lay dormant for the purpose of paralyzing a city. They could even have a feature where a certain transmission disables them. China could say "Recognize our claims to taiwan and we'll give you the code to disable all the drones in your ports" |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:43:34 PM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:45:28 PM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: The same way the Navy has dealt with torpedoes and mines for the last hundred plus years possibly? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paul: Originally Posted By buck19delta:How could a carrier defend against say, 50-100 ai controlled propane tank sized submarine / basically self guiding torpedos ? The same way the Navy has dealt with torpedoes and mines for the last hundred plus years possibly? Self propelled/ self guided mines and torpedos that can drive themselves around 100s of miles at sea avoiding normal shipping and only attacking enemy ships? Seems a lot harder to deal with what’s coming online currently. Same as in Ukraine where miles from the nearest enemy soldier a 10lb drone appears and flies into a open bunker / apc door with explosives, dropping mortar rds thru open tank hatches and into the sides of tanks at 60mph hauling rpg warheads, dropping grenades into a foxhole. We might develop great effective ways to avoid these drones, but right now I’m doubtful we can do it effectively enough to avoid large amounts of casualties, or even losing entire carriers to basically terrorist organizations who are serving as the arm of a enemy nation, China, Iran, etc, with a large amount of “ we didn’t do nuffin, and can’t prove we did “, to hide behind international protections of other countries, un, etc safe from getting bombed. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:45:34 PM EDT
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No doubt our Secret Squirrels have been planning/developing countermeasures for some time. Now with all the press coverage and real world use, they are enjoying increased budgets...
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:50:59 PM EDT
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Probably the best first reply ever!
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:54:59 PM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Orion10182011: No doubt our Secret Squirrels have been planning/developing countermeasures for some time. Now with all the press coverage and real world use, they are enjoying increased budgets... I hope the hell we do develop a miracle technology capable of stopping these things. Currently it’s kind of similar to Germany developing the panzerfast , which handed a random soldier effective way to destroy even heavily armored tanks rendering even thick, previously almost invulnerable tank armor useless over night. It’s why heavy tanks stopped being a thing as there’s no advantage to a 100 ton tank and a lot of disadvantages. Suddenly traditional weapons and tactics providing useless against stopping a new threat, suddenly a single soldier can destroy a tank, and today a single soldier destroy any tank from long distance easily with modern antitank weapons. These drones are obliterating tanks, apcs, bunkers, as well as capital navy ships via stealth and sneak attacks and best I know there’s no effective defense, even USA bases with heavy air defenses getting attacked recently and unable to stop them effectively. Defeating a standard drone via jamming isn’t that difficult I’d imagine, issue though is with AI, suddenly you don’t need a operator, stay in connection with it, don’t need to provide control, and probably don’t even need gps capabilities as it can probably navigate using topographical maps / satellite images from launch to target, identifying targets as it encounters them, choosing the top priority and attacking. I’m not sure how good AI is currently, but have zero doubt it will be capable of all of that very soon if not already. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:56:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By missychapo: All electronic devices have a major weakness. EMPs can disable them. Not too many electronics can survive a .50 cal round either. What’s your point in being up EMP? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:59:12 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Swoosh101]
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So now imagine aussies with spears killing stingrays yelling fuck you china
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MI, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:00:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: Future warfare,especially near future warfare is going to be horrific. Probably see an end to large sitting duck carrier groups packed with thousands of American servicemen in the next 20 years as they will be too easy of a target for every turd with a naval drone, even shitbird terrorist organizations could badly damage / sink carriers / kill thousands in one swoop. Casualties in even minor fights will be horrific. Future will probably be drove vs drone warfare, smaller unmanned AI controlled ships / subs / flying drones / robotic German weasel sized tanks / fighting vehicles.  Attached FileWe won't learn until we lose a Carrier.....  But getting troops across the Sea won't be a easy task anymore. ALL that money wasted....
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:03:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By missychapo: All electronic devices have a major weakness. EMPs can disable them. Just because TV man told you that, doesn't make it true. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:03:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: With AI you could just park ied drones in bushes, buildings, camouflaged, etc which could sit or days or weeks looking for preprogrammed targets, letting cars, busses and trucks pass, and then when it spots a enemy vehicle it rolls out on tracks or wheels, runs out on legs, or simply aims and rakes you with heavy machine gun fire / launches a antitank rocket / EFP thru the side of your vehicle and nails you. You could create stand alone ieds / efps that only detonate when a recognized enemy rolls over, zero overwatch, zero command detonated, just sits and lets hundreds / thousands of civilian vehicles / friendly vehicles drive over it but recognizes enemy vehicles/ uniforms / weapons and arms and detonates when they pass. Ai controlled civilian vehicle vibeds, packed with explosives, Or flies / rolls / crawls into your trench / bunker / fortifications at night. Rc truck sized tracked / wheeled ieds that drive themselves. Cheap, easy to make, and very hard to detect / stop. * Shudder. * Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: Originally Posted By MrMackey: Originally Posted By midcap: not really...we just need to become better at counter measures. Look at all the counter measures we used in Iraq and Afghanistan to try and weed out ieds. Rhinos, rf interference and all that jazz. Shit didn’t work a lot of the time. Now imagine 150 propane tank ieds flying at you. Fuck. That. I’m glad I’m out. With AI you could just park ied drones in bushes, buildings, camouflaged, etc which could sit or days or weeks looking for preprogrammed targets, letting cars, busses and trucks pass, and then when it spots a enemy vehicle it rolls out on tracks or wheels, runs out on legs, or simply aims and rakes you with heavy machine gun fire / launches a antitank rocket / EFP thru the side of your vehicle and nails you. You could create stand alone ieds / efps that only detonate when a recognized enemy rolls over, zero overwatch, zero command detonated, just sits and lets hundreds / thousands of civilian vehicles / friendly vehicles drive over it but recognizes enemy vehicles/ uniforms / weapons and arms and detonates when they pass. Ai controlled civilian vehicle vibeds, packed with explosives, Or flies / rolls / crawls into your trench / bunker / fortifications at night. Rc truck sized tracked / wheeled ieds that drive themselves. Cheap, easy to make, and very hard to detect / stop. * Shudder. * Let’s go a step beyond that. Why all the dispersal and waiting for military targets? The military (should be) there to protect the people, the infrastructure, the resources, etc. Completely bypass the targets that fight back, and directly attack what they’re tasked with protecting. Show the People that their government is not able to provide for their safety. Drones attacking offshore oil production Drones attacking offshore communication cables Drones setting multiple calculated mass fires Drones loaded with Gallium crashing into aircraft fleets Drones flying insecticide resistant bug eggs across widespread crop areas Drones loaded with whatever new bird flu, and crashing into the air intakes of chicken houses Drones with shaped charges devastating refineries and pipelines I could go on all day…… Completely sidestep the military, and cut open the underbelly. That’s how I would fight |
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AK, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:14:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: Future warfare,especially near future warfare is going to be horrific. Probably see an end to large multi billion dollar , sitting duck carrier groups packed with thousands of American servicemen in the next 20 years as they will be too easy of a target for every turd with a naval drone, even shitbird terrorist organizations could badly damage / sink carriers / kill thousands in one swoop. Casualties in even minor fights will be horrific. Future will probably be drove vs drone warfare, smaller unmanned AI controlled ships / subs / flying drones / robotic German weasel sized tanks / fighting vehicles. Here’s why it Took four Weeks to Scuttle USS America 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:14:38 PM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoFnNamesLeft: Let’s go a step beyond that. Why all the dispersal and waiting for military targets? The military (should be) there to protect the people, the infrastructure, the resources, etc. Completely bypass the targets that fight back, and directly attack what they’re tasked with protecting. Show the People that their government is not able to provide for their safety. Drones attacking offshore oil production Drones attacking offshore communication cables Drones setting multiple calculated mass fires Drones loaded with Gallium crashing into aircraft fleets Drones flying insecticide resistant bug eggs across widespread crop areas Drones loaded with whatever new bird flu, and crashing into the air intakes of chicken houses Drones with shaped charges devastating refineries and pipelines I could go on all day…… Completely sidestep the military, and cut open the underbelly. That’s how I would fight Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoFnNamesLeft: Originally Posted By buck19delta: Originally Posted By MrMackey: Originally Posted By midcap: not really...we just need to become better at counter measures. Look at all the counter measures we used in Iraq and Afghanistan to try and weed out ieds. Rhinos, rf interference and all that jazz. Shit didn’t work a lot of the time. Now imagine 150 propane tank ieds flying at you. Fuck. That. I’m glad I’m out. With AI you could just park ied drones in bushes, buildings, camouflaged, etc which could sit or days or weeks looking for preprogrammed targets, letting cars, busses and trucks pass, and then when it spots a enemy vehicle it rolls out on tracks or wheels, runs out on legs, or simply aims and rakes you with heavy machine gun fire / launches a antitank rocket / EFP thru the side of your vehicle and nails you. You could create stand alone ieds / efps that only detonate when a recognized enemy rolls over, zero overwatch, zero command detonated, just sits and lets hundreds / thousands of civilian vehicles / friendly vehicles drive over it but recognizes enemy vehicles/ uniforms / weapons and arms and detonates when they pass. Ai controlled civilian vehicle vibeds, packed with explosives, Or flies / rolls / crawls into your trench / bunker / fortifications at night. Rc truck sized tracked / wheeled ieds that drive themselves. Cheap, easy to make, and very hard to detect / stop. * Shudder. * Let’s go a step beyond that. Why all the dispersal and waiting for military targets? The military (should be) there to protect the people, the infrastructure, the resources, etc. Completely bypass the targets that fight back, and directly attack what they’re tasked with protecting. Show the People that their government is not able to provide for their safety. Drones attacking offshore oil production Drones attacking offshore communication cables Drones setting multiple calculated mass fires Drones loaded with Gallium crashing into aircraft fleets Drones flying insecticide resistant bug eggs across widespread crop areas Drones loaded with whatever new bird flu, and crashing into the air intakes of chicken houses Drones with shaped charges devastating refineries and pipelines I could go on all day…… Completely sidestep the military, and cut open the underbelly. That’s how I would fight That’s exactly where terrorism is headed. Why train pilots and slip suicide attackers thru security to hijack airliners when you can blow them up on the tarmac or during take off or landing ? Why commit people to any attack when a small drone can destroy power stations, transmission towers, pipelines, oil / fuel storage facilities, manufacturing, oil platforms, schools, stadiums, concerts, Times Square, cruise ships, or anything else with some air, sea, etc drone ? A home built drone and home made thermite and now you’re able to destroy almost anything on a shoestring budget. It’s terrifying, and zero ability to protect even high value critical targets like bases, nuke plants and such , much less protect the hundreds of thousands of various links in the chain of infrastructure, hundreds of thousands of miles of power lines, fiber cables, bridges, sat dishes, junctions, relays, transformers, pipelines, etc. hell, even starting forest fires at the right time of year / circumstances can do horrific damage. We might find out soon if we tangle with Iran, China, etc, as I have zero doubt both countries have snuck in hundreds or even thousands of people just to do such attacks. They don’t even need to source machine guns, just buy off the shelf drone, or build custom ones, and they are able to create massive damage while remaining basically invisible from miles / days away, via remote controlled drones / timed devices. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:14:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepersCreepers: Crikey too soon bro |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:15:58 PM EDT
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Probably smells like Harbor Freight.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:16:32 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By PR361: Didn’t see that one coming… https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/195613/IMG_3962_png-3201209.JPG https://www.spacedaily.com/m/reports/Shanghai_Ocean_University_unveils_manta_ray_inspired_bionic_fish_999.html  Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) - British Royal Navy I wonder where they got the idea and is it wind up in the same situation? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:28:53 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:33:21 PM EDT
[Last Edit: NoFnNamesLeft]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: That’s exactly where terrorism is headed. Why train pilots and slip suicide attackers thru security to hijack airliners when you can blow them up on the tarmac or during take off or landing ? Why commit people to any attack when a small drone can destroy power stations, transmission towers, pipelines, oil / fuel storage facilities, manufacturing, oil platforms, schools, stadiums, concerts, Times Square, cruise ships, or anything else with some air, sea, etc drone ? A home built drone and home made thermite and now you’re able to destroy almost anything on a shoestring budget. It’s terrifying, and zero ability to protect even high value critical targets like bases, nuke plants and such , much less protect the hundreds of thousands of various links in the chain of infrastructure, hundreds of thousands of miles of power lines, fiber cables, bridges, sat dishes, junctions, relays, transformers, pipelines, etc. hell, even starting forest fires at the right time of year / circumstances can do horrific damage. We might find out soon if we tangle with Iran, China, etc, as I have zero doubt both countries have snuck in hundreds or even thousands of people just to do such attacks. They don’t even need to source machine guns, just buy off the shelf drone, or build custom ones, and they are able to create massive damage while remaining basically invisible from miles / days away, via remote controlled drones / timed devices. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: Originally Posted By NoFnNamesLeft: Originally Posted By buck19delta: Originally Posted By MrMackey: Originally Posted By midcap: not really...we just need to become better at counter measures. Look at all the counter measures we used in Iraq and Afghanistan to try and weed out ieds. Rhinos, rf interference and all that jazz. Shit didn’t work a lot of the time. Now imagine 150 propane tank ieds flying at you. Fuck. That. I’m glad I’m out. With AI you could just park ied drones in bushes, buildings, camouflaged, etc which could sit or days or weeks looking for preprogrammed targets, letting cars, busses and trucks pass, and then when it spots a enemy vehicle it rolls out on tracks or wheels, runs out on legs, or simply aims and rakes you with heavy machine gun fire / launches a antitank rocket / EFP thru the side of your vehicle and nails you. You could create stand alone ieds / efps that only detonate when a recognized enemy rolls over, zero overwatch, zero command detonated, just sits and lets hundreds / thousands of civilian vehicles / friendly vehicles drive over it but recognizes enemy vehicles/ uniforms / weapons and arms and detonates when they pass. Ai controlled civilian vehicle vibeds, packed with explosives, Or flies / rolls / crawls into your trench / bunker / fortifications at night. Rc truck sized tracked / wheeled ieds that drive themselves. Cheap, easy to make, and very hard to detect / stop. * Shudder. * Let’s go a step beyond that. Why all the dispersal and waiting for military targets? The military (should be) there to protect the people, the infrastructure, the resources, etc. Completely bypass the targets that fight back, and directly attack what they’re tasked with protecting. Show the People that their government is not able to provide for their safety. Drones attacking offshore oil production Drones attacking offshore communication cables Drones setting multiple calculated mass fires Drones loaded with Gallium crashing into aircraft fleets Drones flying insecticide resistant bug eggs across widespread crop areas Drones loaded with whatever new bird flu, and crashing into the air intakes of chicken houses Drones with shaped charges devastating refineries and pipelines I could go on all day…… Completely sidestep the military, and cut open the underbelly. That’s how I would fight That’s exactly where terrorism is headed. Why train pilots and slip suicide attackers thru security to hijack airliners when you can blow them up on the tarmac or during take off or landing ? Why commit people to any attack when a small drone can destroy power stations, transmission towers, pipelines, oil / fuel storage facilities, manufacturing, oil platforms, schools, stadiums, concerts, Times Square, cruise ships, or anything else with some air, sea, etc drone ? A home built drone and home made thermite and now you’re able to destroy almost anything on a shoestring budget. It’s terrifying, and zero ability to protect even high value critical targets like bases, nuke plants and such , much less protect the hundreds of thousands of various links in the chain of infrastructure, hundreds of thousands of miles of power lines, fiber cables, bridges, sat dishes, junctions, relays, transformers, pipelines, etc. hell, even starting forest fires at the right time of year / circumstances can do horrific damage. We might find out soon if we tangle with Iran, China, etc, as I have zero doubt both countries have snuck in hundreds or even thousands of people just to do such attacks. They don’t even need to source machine guns, just buy off the shelf drone, or build custom ones, and they are able to create massive damage while remaining basically invisible from miles / days away, via remote controlled drones / timed devices. Let’s not forget that individuals receiving packages directly from China is now widespread, and completely normal. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:37:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoFnNamesLeft: Let’s go a step beyond that. Why all the dispersal and waiting for military targets? The military (should be) there to protect the people, the infrastructure, the resources, etc. Completely bypass the targets that fight back, and directly attack what they’re tasked with protecting. Show the People that their government is not able to provide for their safety. Drones attacking offshore oil production Drones attacking offshore communication cables Drones setting multiple calculated mass fires Drones loaded with Gallium crashing into aircraft fleets Drones flying insecticide resistant bug eggs across widespread crop areas Drones loaded with whatever new bird flu, and crashing into the air intakes of chicken houses Drones with shaped charges devastating refineries and pipelines I could go on all day…… Completely sidestep the military, and cut open the underbelly. That’s how I would fight Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoFnNamesLeft: Originally Posted By buck19delta: Originally Posted By MrMackey: Originally Posted By midcap: not really...we just need to become better at counter measures. Look at all the counter measures we used in Iraq and Afghanistan to try and weed out ieds. Rhinos, rf interference and all that jazz. Shit didn’t work a lot of the time. Now imagine 150 propane tank ieds flying at you. Fuck. That. I’m glad I’m out. With AI you could just park ied drones in bushes, buildings, camouflaged, etc which could sit or days or weeks looking for preprogrammed targets, letting cars, busses and trucks pass, and then when it spots a enemy vehicle it rolls out on tracks or wheels, runs out on legs, or simply aims and rakes you with heavy machine gun fire / launches a antitank rocket / EFP thru the side of your vehicle and nails you. You could create stand alone ieds / efps that only detonate when a recognized enemy rolls over, zero overwatch, zero command detonated, just sits and lets hundreds / thousands of civilian vehicles / friendly vehicles drive over it but recognizes enemy vehicles/ uniforms / weapons and arms and detonates when they pass. Ai controlled civilian vehicle vibeds, packed with explosives, Or flies / rolls / crawls into your trench / bunker / fortifications at night. Rc truck sized tracked / wheeled ieds that drive themselves. Cheap, easy to make, and very hard to detect / stop. * Shudder. * Let’s go a step beyond that. Why all the dispersal and waiting for military targets? The military (should be) there to protect the people, the infrastructure, the resources, etc. Completely bypass the targets that fight back, and directly attack what they’re tasked with protecting. Show the People that their government is not able to provide for their safety. Drones attacking offshore oil production Drones attacking offshore communication cables Drones setting multiple calculated mass fires Drones loaded with Gallium crashing into aircraft fleets Drones flying insecticide resistant bug eggs across widespread crop areas Drones loaded with whatever new bird flu, and crashing into the air intakes of chicken houses Drones with shaped charges devastating refineries and pipelines I could go on all day…… Completely sidestep the military, and cut open the underbelly. That’s how I would fight So basically Mexican Cartels? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:41:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepersCreepers: Crikey Pump your brakes, kid. That man is a national treasure. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:46:41 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NoFnNamesLeft: Let’s go a step beyond that. Why all the dispersal and waiting for military targets? The military (should be) there to protect the people, the infrastructure, the resources, etc. Completely bypass the targets that fight back, and directly attack what they’re tasked with protecting. Show the People that their government is not able to provide for their safety. Drones attacking offshore oil production Drones attacking offshore communication cables Drones setting multiple calculated mass fires Drones loaded with Gallium crashing into aircraft fleets Drones flying insecticide resistant bug eggs across widespread crop areas Drones loaded with whatever new bird flu, and crashing into the air intakes of chicken houses Drones with shaped charges devastating refineries and pipelines I could go on all day…… Completely sidestep the military, and cut open the underbelly. That’s how I would fight they could put fetanyl all over an off-the-shelf drone and fly it into people |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:56:55 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/29/2024 6:17:04 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By buck19delta: With AI you could just park ied drones in bushes, buildings, camouflaged, etc which could sit or days or weeks looking for preprogrammed targets, letting cars, busses and trucks pass, and then when it spots a enemy vehicle it rolls out on tracks or wheels, runs out on legs, or simply aims and rakes you with heavy machine gun fire / launches a antitank rocket / EFP thru the side of your vehicle and nails you. You could create stand alone ieds / efps that only detonate when a recognized enemy rolls over, zero overwatch, zero command detonated, just sits and lets hundreds / thousands of civilian vehicles / friendly vehicles drive over it but recognizes enemy vehicles/ uniforms / weapons and arms and detonates when they pass. Ai controlled civilian vehicle vibeds, packed with explosives, Or flies / rolls / crawls into your trench / bunker / fortifications at night. Rc truck sized tracked / wheeled ieds that drive themselves. Cheap, easy to make, and very hard to detect / stop. * Shudder. * That's a pretty scary tool for any insurgency. Of course, doing that almost guarantees that the local population will suffer. The occupying force will inevitably target the insurgents and a much larger number of civilians will get killed and get the property destroyed. For use on the battlefield, it's going to be just as scary. Who knows what kind of air or ground drones will be creeping up on the front line at night. Definitely a morale killer for anyone on a receiving end of it. |
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Posted: 5/4/2024 8:42:05 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JeepersCreepers: Crikey 
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