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Posted: 4/20/2024 11:53:47 AM EDT
Yikes
 NEAR DISASTER | Multiple planes Cross Runway WHILE ANOTHER IS TAKING OFF! |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:30:34 PM EDT
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I hate when they use a different frequency/controller to clear traffic across an active. It’s pretty common though. That was a big screwup.
Most people have no idea how complex and dynamic the taxiing is at busy airports. Typically, it’s the hardest part of the flight. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:31:06 PM EDT
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FAA announces new rest rules for air traffic controllers
 FAA announces new rest rules for air traffic controllers |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:33:18 PM EDT
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OP don’t bother to tell us when and where it happened. Nice work
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USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:35:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By taliv: OP don’t bother to tell us when and where it happened. Nice work You do have to make it a whole ten seconds into the video to learn that. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:42:35 PM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: I hate when they use a different frequency/controller to clear traffic across an active. It’s pretty common though. That was a big screwup. Most people have no idea how complex and dynamic the taxiing is at busy airports. Typically, it’s the hardest part of the flight. I got lost at Phoenix sky harbor at night with a student one time. That was fun. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:44:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: You do have to make it a whole ten seconds into the video to learn that. Even that’s too much to ask for a lot of people these days… |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:49:01 PM EDT
[#7]
 Boots Randolph - Yakety Sax |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:50:10 PM EDT
[#8]
Tenerife....
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:51:19 PM EDT
[#9]
Were those planes crossing 4L landing on 4R?
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:54:32 PM EDT
[#10]
That's just efficient traffic flow management.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:55:03 PM EDT
[#11]
Only a matter of time… |
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USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 12:57:23 PM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: I hate when they use a different frequency/controller to clear traffic across an active. It’s pretty common though. That was a big screwup. Most people have no idea how complex and dynamic the taxiing is at busy airports. Typically, it’s the hardest part of the flight. I learned in airspace with a lot of .mil traffic. You cannot hear their calls. Not ideal. I have seen some T-34s waaaaaay too close. |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 1:11:02 PM EDT
[#13]
DEI = didn't expect incursion
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Posted: 4/20/2024 4:29:22 PM EDT
[#14]
Boeing 787 at cruising altitude over the Atlantic
 Boeing 787 at cruising altitude over the Atlantic. Flight deck view! |
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TN, USA
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Posted: 4/20/2024 8:33:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dorobuta: Tenerife.... Not exactly, but real close. Tenerife was a single runway and only one local controller disaster. I spent nearly 33 years in ATC and I cannot believe WTF is happening in my former profession. The fuck ups at KAUS and KSAN are chilling enough, and now this. As I interpret the audio, it sounds like two different local controllers issuing crossing instructions to one runway. SMH... |
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Posted: 4/20/2024 9:57:31 PM EDT
[#16]
Had an issue at Reagan recently too. Surprised the answer isn't AI.
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Posted: 4/20/2024 10:01:23 PM EDT
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DEI in the control tower?
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Posted: 4/20/2024 10:09:16 PM EDT
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I don't fly out of JFK often, but I have been in and out of there for many years. It is very challenging at times if you can't keep up with fast talking New Yorkers.
Here I am stuck on that same runway after a hydraulic system failure...  Attached File |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:04:05 AM EDT
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The FAA takes applicants with actual controller experience from their MIL years and puts them at the END of the list of applicants because DEI. Those guys use to get preference.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:07:08 AM EDT
[#20]
TBH I am suprise they don't fuck up more
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:15:35 AM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glock27bill: The FAA takes applicants with actual controller experience from their MIL years and puts them at the END of the list of applicants because DEI. Those guys use to get preference. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:30:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: djkest]
[#22]
I can't imagine pushing the throttles to the TOGA setting on your fully loaded aircraft after being cleared for takeoff and seeing 3 planes start crossing the runway in front of you.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:34:58 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Waldo: That's just efficient traffic flow management. Sure was. Even after the screwup, the controller cleared a guy to land while the rejected takeoff plane was still on the runway.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:36:59 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew: We are so stupid. But we're diverse |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:40:30 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By djkest: I can't imagine pushing the throttles to the TOGA setting on your fully loaded airliner after being cleared for takeoff and seeing 3 planes start crossing the runway in front of you. You push them up only about 30% then push TOGA button. And you do kinda imagine it each time. That’s why the Swiss pilot was so calm and collected. He had been watching for it. They rejected before 80 kts, IOW, they rejected almost immediately. Thank God they were in good visual conditions, it really coulda been bad if they weren’t. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:44:48 AM EDT
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Let me guess, everyone almost DIED because of a Diversity, Inclusion, Equality(DIE) hired air traffic controller.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:49:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DragoMuseveni: Let me guess, everyone almost DIED because of a Diversity, Inclusion, Equality(DIE) hired air traffic controller. Almost certainly Guessed Wrong. Listen to the video. Both controllers are good, they just screwed up somehow. Probably a shift change and complacency. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:53:35 AM EDT
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Cat reading a newspaper, I should get a job that doesn’t involve flying especially out of Austin.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:57:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: FAA announces new rest rules for air traffic controllers  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drngPBrEQOwMaybe they should try not hiring dumb people just based on gender or race |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 1:10:12 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7: Had an issue at Reagan recently too. Surprised the answer isn't AI. That one hit close to home. That’s my base, and for a north flow we’ll ask for 4 to try and skip the line probably 75%-ish of the time. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 6:43:24 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: Sure was. Even after the screwup, the controller cleared a guy to land while the rejected takeoff plane was still on the runway. Now they need to add some roundabouts to those intersections to really speed things up.
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USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 6:48:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 7: Had an issue at Reagan recently too. Surprised the answer isn't AI. Welcome to Reagan Interracial Airport. I love you. 
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Posted: 4/21/2024 9:18:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2024 9:24:29 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Waldo: That's just efficient traffic flow management. Do you want your traffic to be really safe or really efficient? Pick one. Choose wisely. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 9:50:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By midcap: TBH I am suprise they don't fuck up more Me too. I do my flight training out of a regional class D airport. It does get fairly busy at times. I’ve literally only heard two different voices on the radio. Those guys are seriously overworked in my opinion. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:01:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By taliv: OP don't bother to tell us when and where it happened. Nice work A true keyboard commando has graced us! |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:04:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: Boeing 787 at cruising altitude over the Atlantic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9gpFwNY-OoIve done 40,000 ft in a 787 over the atlantic like this. It feels like you are leaving earth. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:04:40 AM EDT
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ASDE only alarms if the aircraft taking off is above a certain speed.
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By glock27bill: The FAA takes applicants with actual controller experience from their MIL years and puts them at the END of the list of applicants because DEI. Those guys use to get preference. Several of the controllers at one of my past jobs (army base) were trying to jump ship and go to the FAA. These guys were former controllers in the air force and had been civilians for a few years. Only one of them got picked up. All the others were told they weren't qualified. The one that got hired was the only non white one. |
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:06:51 AM EDT
[#39]
I expected more swearing
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Posted: 4/21/2024 10:16:30 AM EDT
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Swiss handled the RTO well but sure seemed eager to get going again right after that. There ain't no way we'd be able to get back in the game that quickly. Not even if it was a low speed RTO. If it's a high speed, then we may very well be going back to the gate. If it's a high speed in a desirable location then there's a good chance we're going back to the hotel/home. Fuck this "get us back in line ASAP for a reduced runway length takeoff" shit. LOL.
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Posted: 4/21/2024 12:26:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank_B: DEI in the control tower? Ya'll are going to do to DEI what the libs have done to terms like Nazi. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:30:21 PM EDT
[#42]
 "STOP, STOP STOP!!" Recent FAA Air Traffic Control Errors Reviewed. |
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Posted: 4/22/2024 5:42:49 PM EDT
[Last Edit: MissileCop]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TimeOnTarget: I don't fly out of JFK often, but I have been in and out of there for many years. It is very challenging at times if you can't keep up with fast talking New Yorkers. Here I am stuck on that same runway after a hydraulic system failure... https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/432675/IMG_3640_jpeg-3193820.JPG "hydraulic system failure"  It's clear as day in the photo that you're driving the wrong way on the runway. 
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Posted: 4/23/2024 12:57:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: BillofRights]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vne: Swiss handled the RTO well but sure seemed eager to get going again right after that. There ain't no way we'd be able to get back in the game that quickly. Not even if it was a low speed RTO. If it's a high speed, then we may very well be going back to the gate. If it's a high speed in a desirable location then there's a good chance we're going back to the hotel/home. Fuck this "get us back in line ASAP for a reduced runway length takeoff" shit. LOL. I was thinking that, but they must have aborted the moment the throttles went TOGA. Do we know what speed they attained before rejecting? Swiss CPT probably figured the intersection would give him better visibility down the runway! |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/23/2024 4:12:08 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BillofRights: I hate when they use a different frequency/controller to clear traffic across an active. It’s pretty common though. That was a big screwup. Most people have no idea how complex and dynamic the taxiing is at busy airports. Typically, it’s the hardest part of the flight. Probably because it's the only thing pilots HAVE to do themselves... the plane can do practically everything else on it's own if you let it. But if they installed conveyor belts on the runways and taxiways to move the planes around for the pilots, the planes would never get off the ground. |
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Posted: 4/23/2024 4:25:49 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Frank_B: DEI in the control tower? 
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Posted: 4/23/2024 4:28:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BCPVP: No one ever made mistakes in their profession until DEI. Ya'll are going to do to DEI what the libs have done to terms like Nazi. They always have to have a boogeyman |
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