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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:10:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR15Texan: All those Siglent Technologies multimeters are from China. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR15Texan: Originally Posted By Goodn: I might be a meter whore. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52944480050_50f9c1c331_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52945802496_13e6a27298_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52541057575_da1c0a391f_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52541059950_6573ede46d_b.jpg  All those Siglent Technologies multimeters are from China. And??? So is my newer tektronix and my Teledyne lecroy. In fact the Lecroy looks like it came off of a siglent assembly line.     I am not sure much fluke stuff is made in the states anymore.. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:15:39 AM EDT
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Don't measure it like that. Measure with one probe in the ground lug, "with respect to ground". Any measurement like that is suspect.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:28:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gamma762]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PDP_Main: Don't measure it like that. Measure with one probe in the ground lug, "with respect to ground". Any measurement like that is suspect. Measuring all three is potentially useful information. Comparing hot to ground versus hot to neutral will tell you if you have a loose neutral. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:30:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: Measuring all three is potentially useful information. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: Originally Posted By PDP_Main: Don't measure it like that. Measure with one probe in the ground lug, "with respect to ground". Any measurement like that is suspect. Measuring all three is potentially useful information. Just poke a wire in each hole and touch your tongue to them! Just like a 9 volt! Might tingle a little more, but no biggie! 
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USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:44:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Gamma762: Comparing hot to ground versus hot to neutral will tell you if you have a loose neutral. No it won't. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 2:17:43 AM EDT
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I have had a bunch of meters over the years. I've got two 80s vintage radio shack analog meters.
I've got a Blue Point (sold off the Snap On truck) from the early 2000s. And more recently a fancy $90 Harbor Freight model. It's got decent reviews, but just feels "cheap". One day if I ever find a need for a real meter, I'll buy a good one. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:33:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: AR15Texan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: And??? So is my newer tektronix and my Teledyne lecroy. In fact the Lecroy looks like it came off of a siglent assembly line. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53432835557_dcffb6de7b_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53434186360_96ee097bcb_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53433906318_4391f51166_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53432835897_de0c014378_b.jpg I am not sure much fluke stuff is made in the states anymore.. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: Originally Posted By AR15Texan: Originally Posted By Goodn: I might be a meter whore. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52944480050_50f9c1c331_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52945802496_13e6a27298_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52541057575_da1c0a391f_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52541059950_6573ede46d_b.jpg All those Siglent Technologies multimeters are from China. And??? So is my newer tektronix and my Teledyne lecroy. In fact the Lecroy looks like it came off of a siglent assembly line. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53432835557_dcffb6de7b_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53434186360_96ee097bcb_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53433906318_4391f51166_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53432835897_de0c014378_b.jpg I am not sure much fluke stuff is made in the states anymore.. Remember 25-years ago when some Agilent equipment was made in Ireland? BTW, very cool collection of test equipment. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:40:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monsterbishi: $600 meter gives you the same information. Fluke is just the Snap-On of the measuring world. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Monsterbishi: Originally Posted By TrainSafe: $3 meter gives you $3 information $600 meter gives you the same information. Fluke is just the Snap-On of the measuring world. I guarantee a Fluke multimeter is not going to tell you that outlet is 199 VAC. |
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ND, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:42:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR15Texan: Remember 25-years ago when some Agilent equipment was made in Ireland? BTW, very cool collection of test equipment. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AR15Texan: Originally Posted By Goodn: Originally Posted By AR15Texan: Originally Posted By Goodn: I might be a meter whore. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52944480050_50f9c1c331_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52945802496_13e6a27298_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52541057575_da1c0a391f_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52541059950_6573ede46d_b.jpg All those Siglent Technologies multimeters are from China. And??? So is my newer tektronix and my Teledyne lecroy. In fact the Lecroy looks like it came off of a siglent assembly line. https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53432835557_dcffb6de7b_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53434186360_96ee097bcb_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53433906318_4391f51166_b.jpg https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/53432835897_de0c014378_b.jpg I am not sure much fluke stuff is made in the states anymore.. Remember 25-years ago when some Agilent equipment was made in Ireland? BTW, very cool collection of test equipment. I have a fluke that was made in Washington. (Iirc Renton).  Thanks. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:46:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By dryflash3: Battery is not used for voltage measurement. Only used to read Ohms. Only to read ohms and run the analog to digital sampling circuits and display circuits too. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:46:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeffg: One will last two years and the other will last 30. You don't know shit about Fluke.  Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeffg: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: $600 meter gives you the same information. Fluke is just the Snap-On of the measuring world. One will last two years and the other will last 30. You don't know shit about Fluke. It's autoranging and doesnt make you look like a poor. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:52:15 AM EDT
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Use a Fluke to diagnose the problem on your Xing multimeter.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:53:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nsw8148: Especially when you can get a fluke 101 for $50. It's autoranging and doesnt make you look like a poor. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nsw8148: Originally Posted By Jeffg: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: $600 meter gives you the same information. Fluke is just the Snap-On of the measuring world. One will last two years and the other will last 30. You don't know shit about Fluke. It's autoranging and doesnt make you look like a poor. I got my 87V for $100 on marketplace. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:55:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: I guarantee a Fluke multimeter is not going to tell you that outlet is 199 VAC. They aren't magic. They loose calibration and can suffer any number of hardware faults that will give bad measurements. I use meters, almost all fluke, in industrial controls engineering. I still do a proper "known on, test, known on" check prior to touching anything because meters, even fluke, break. My meters are calibrated every year and I've read the cal reports. They absolutely do drift. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:55:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_Sky: Yep. That was the first meter I ever used in my career. I still have a D'arsonval meter at home that I used for measuring DC uV, because at the time none of the digital meters I owned couldn't measure under 10uV DC which I needed to do. But now, even decent inexpensive digital meters can do that accurately. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AZ_Sky: Originally Posted By wmagrush: I miss my Simpson 260, just because. That was the first meter I ever used in my career. I still have a D'arsonval meter at home that I used for measuring DC uV, because at the time none of the digital meters I owned couldn't measure under 10uV DC which I needed to do. But now, even decent inexpensive digital meters can do that accurately. Here is my microvolt multimeter. 
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:56:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: I guarantee a Fluke multimeter is not going to tell you that outlet is 199 VAC. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CenterMass762: Originally Posted By Monsterbishi: Originally Posted By TrainSafe: $3 meter gives you $3 information $600 meter gives you the same information. Fluke is just the Snap-On of the measuring world. I guarantee a Fluke multimeter is not going to tell you that outlet is 199 VAC. It might. I've seen what should be L to L voltage on one leg (240 in op's case) When there is a bad neutral . Has op checked for that? |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 9:58:27 AM EDT
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As pointed out, shitty meter is shitty.
But fuck Fluke with a rusty spork. I'll never buy any of their stuff again after how the screwed people over with the 87s that were vulnerable to GSM cell phone noise. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:07:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nsw8148: Especially when you can get a fluke 101 for $50. It's autoranging and doesnt make you look like a poor. It's also not true rms. And can't measure current. Or hold a max/min. Flukes cheap meters make zero sense. Spend the same or less for a better meter from any number of other companies. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:08:36 AM EDT
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I would advise anyone that uses a genny in power outages to get a meter that shows in rush amperage. You might be surprised just how high momentary (in rush) start up amps are in well pumps and A/C's.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:09:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoadedDrum: Change the batteries and measure again. This is most likely the correct answer. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:09:48 AM EDT
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I've been happy with my Klein MM600. Good meter for under $100.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:13:36 AM EDT
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What's a good $50 meter?
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:29:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nowgrn4: I would advise anyone that uses a genny in power outages to get a meter that shows in rush amperage. You might be surprised just how high momentary (in rush) start up amps are in well pumps and A/C's. Don’t need a meter, my generator gags when my geothermal kicks on. . It’s on life support now and the next one will have a soft start.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:33:36 AM EDT
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:34:55 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Into_the_Void]
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I may or may not have for fun blown up many free HF DMMs by blasting 1000J through them with an impulse cap.
And you guys worry about me working on live 240v
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WV, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:36:09 AM EDT
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Seems odd.
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:43:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By skink: What's a good $50 meter? I only paid $40 slightly used for one of my Fluke T5s. They are an awesome meter for basic amperage, voltage and resistance. Everyone who owns a vehicle or house should have a meter of some sort of. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:48:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryThanks! I had one of OPs meters and was testing a brass tumbler that wasn't working. Touch the lead to the unit and both wires melted and broke at the meter.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:49:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeffg: I only paid $40 slightly used for one of my Fluke T5s. They are an awesome meter for basic amperage, voltage and resistance. Everyone who owns a vehicle or house should have a meter of some sort of. https://imageshack.com/i/po4ZmPl0p Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Jeffg: Originally Posted By skink: What's a good $50 meter? I only paid $40 slightly used for one of my Fluke T5s. They are an awesome meter for basic amperage, voltage and resistance. Everyone who owns a vehicle or house should have a meter of some sort of. https://imageshack.com/i/po4ZmPl0p  Attached File |
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NY, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:59:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By skink: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/139520/Screenshot_20240510-094902_png-3210327.JPG Fluke T5-600 |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:01:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Goodn: I have a fluke that was made in Washington. (Iirc Renton). Thanks. Not sure I trust anything from the UK, but this guy has never let me down  |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:11:05 AM EDT
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It's dead, Jim.
If it's only used occasionally, toss it and get another one like it. For incidental use, a Fluke is several orders of overkill. Use what you saved to take your wife/GF out for dinner. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:11:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: wmagrush]
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The electrical troubleshooting items in my bag. Still a HF meter, but works well. The device second from left is an AC and DC voltage simulator at 50 volts to test that meters are working. All the test leads I use are made by a company called POMONA. Good quality stuff.
A few voltage tracers. Used to detect voltage, but never trust them for verifying a dead circuit without a Live/Dead/Live test. https://www.pomonaelectronics.com/products/dmm-test-leads-and-probes/test-leads-and-probes 
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:23:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Hobs98: Seriously, though. I dont trust my life to stuff like that. Yes I have a residential/ light commercial license. At least, get a Fluke 101. I prefer a 117 or t5-600 , but the 101 is fine for diy stuff.https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01IB9S6WK?tag=arfcom00-20 117 is what I use daily though i have an older 112 i use as a backup if i have to go to the field and i forget it |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:25:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By c7aea15: Why are you doing this to yourself? 
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:44:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By skink: Thanks! I had one of OPs meters and was testing a brass tumbler that wasn't working. Touch the lead to the unit and both wires melted and broke at the meter. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By skink: Thanks! I had one of OPs meters and was testing a brass tumbler that wasn't working. Touch the lead to the unit and both wires melted and broke at the meter.  Must be time for a replacement |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:06:49 PM EDT
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Good equipment is a thing.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 1:33:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By skink: What's a good $50 meter? Uni-T. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 2:27:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nsw8148: Especially when you can get a fluke 101 for $50. It's autoranging and doesnt make you look like a poor. No shit? I looked it up. Didn't know you could get ANYTHING Fluke that reasonably. Guess I'll be ordering one. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 3:13:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tep0583: No shit? I looked it up. Didn't know you could get ANYTHING Fluke that reasonably. Guess I'll be ordering one. It's because it's a cut down model originally for the Chinese market using an off the shelf chip instead of custom Fluke silicon. I'm sure the cat ratings are legit and that's important. The size is nice and it's probably built well enough. But that doesn't change that it isn't true RMS, it doesn't do any current measurement, it doesn't have a min/max hold, there's no backlight on the screen, it doesn't have a mV range in DC and it's only 6k count and they don't get too specific on exactly what accuracy and precision to expect. I don't get it. If you want a cheap meter then why spend the money on quality and safety features instead of better measurements or features? If you want the quality and safety margin then why are you trying to cut costs? Get the 115/6/7 or whatever and get the same ratings along with better accuracy, precision and features. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 7:53:07 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CenterMass762]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Local: They aren't magic. They loose calibration and can suffer any number of hardware faults that will give bad measurements. I use meters, almost all fluke, in industrial controls engineering. I still do a proper "known on, test, known on" check prior to touching anything because meters, even fluke, break. My meters are calibrated every year and I've read the cal reports. They absolutely do drift. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Local: Originally Posted By CenterMass762: I guarantee a Fluke multimeter is not going to tell you that outlet is 199 VAC. They aren't magic. They loose calibration and can suffer any number of hardware faults that will give bad measurements. I use meters, almost all fluke, in industrial controls engineering. I still do a proper "known on, test, known on" check prior to touching anything because meters, even fluke, break. My meters are calibrated every year and I've read the cal reports. They absolutely do drift. Okay, cool. That has nothing to do with my comment or his. There's no comparison between a $600 meter and a $3 meter. I've never seen a good meter "drift" 80 volts out of nowhere. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 8:00:28 PM EDT
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lol
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Posted: 5/11/2024 3:54:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Local: It's because it's a cut down model originally for the Chinese market using an off the shelf chip instead of custom Fluke silicon. I'm sure the cat ratings are legit and that's important. The size is nice and it's probably built well enough. But that doesn't change that it isn't true RMS, it doesn't do any current measurement, it doesn't have a min/max hold, there's no backlight on the screen, it doesn't have a mV range in DC and it's only 6k count and they don't get too specific on exactly what accuracy and precision to expect. I don't get it. If you want a cheap meter then why spend the money on quality and safety features instead of better measurements or features? If you want the quality and safety margin then why are you trying to cut costs? Get the 115/6/7 or whatever and get the same ratings along with better accuracy, precision and features. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Local: Originally Posted By tep0583: No shit? I looked it up. Didn't know you could get ANYTHING Fluke that reasonably. Guess I'll be ordering one. It's because it's a cut down model originally for the Chinese market using an off the shelf chip instead of custom Fluke silicon. I'm sure the cat ratings are legit and that's important. The size is nice and it's probably built well enough. But that doesn't change that it isn't true RMS, it doesn't do any current measurement, it doesn't have a min/max hold, there's no backlight on the screen, it doesn't have a mV range in DC and it's only 6k count and they don't get too specific on exactly what accuracy and precision to expect. I don't get it. If you want a cheap meter then why spend the money on quality and safety features instead of better measurements or features? If you want the quality and safety margin then why are you trying to cut costs? Get the 115/6/7 or whatever and get the same ratings along with better accuracy, precision and features. I use a meter almost daily for work, great troubleshooting tool. The good ones stay on the truck and the little 101 goes in the tool bag and I rarely have to grab a more capable meter, probably only about twice a year. |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 4:38:56 AM EDT
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FPNI...
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 8:37:10 AM EDT
[Last Edit: ElSupremo]
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That's a metric meter.
Get a PSM-6 |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:14:44 AM EDT
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Fluke master race checking in. I have tries meters from multiple companies and will never again use anything but a fluke.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:30:01 AM EDT
[Last Edit: MeInMediocrity]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 1975: How’s this? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/259519/IMG_4337_jpeg-3209973.JPG It looks like your HF meter failed. Should have bought the extended warranty! Even $400 meters occasionally fail. When working on something electrical, I always like to measure voltage with power on, turn power off, and then re-measure. That covers the rare case of a meter or test leads failing. ETA: For a replacement, look at this:  
About $40 if you wait for a coupon code to show up. Very competitive with a Fluke. The only negative thing I have noticed is the reading rate (display update) is slower. We are still talking about getting more than one reading per second, though. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:44:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Local: As others have said the meter is dookie. I've never seen a meter with those transistor test features that weren't piles of garbage. Also, no cat rating visible and I wouldn't belive it if it were there. Definitely would not recommend testing high energy circuits like mains. You don't need a fluke for home gamer stuff, but you do need something with a cat 3 rating of some sort. Lots of decent non-fluke options out there. I have one of this just for this feature. I also have one of those in each car and camper as I don't care if they get destroyed. |
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Posted: 5/11/2024 9:53:11 AM EDT
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Fluke you say,
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NV, USA
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Posted: 5/11/2024 10:09:12 AM EDT
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If you’re only willing to spend $8 on a multimeter then expect bad results. At least buy an AMES if you’re going to shop at harbor freight.
It’s probably going bad. It’s a cheap multimeter. It isn’t what I’d suggest for a primary home use tool. I throw those in the truck as an “in case of emergency” tool I need, and won’t be upset when it breaks. I have a Klein for home use. Originally Posted By 1975: What’s wrong with my multimeter or electrical? Yes, I know it’s not an expensive Fluke but it’s worked okay in the past. Shouldn’t the volts stop around 110/120? Keeps going to 199 and then displays the 1 for overload. <— Not an electrician. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/259519/IMG_4330_jpeg-3209940.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/259519/IMG_4331_jpeg-3209941.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/259519/IMG_4332_jpeg-3209942.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/259519/IMG_4335_jpeg-3209943.JPG https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/259519/IMG_4333_jpeg-3209944.JPG |
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