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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:25:03 AM EDT
Saw this car ad on FB marketplace this morning. Arfcom member ?
"But cash as king ! I need to be able to pay an attorney. Cause someone wanted to beat me up and I pulled my gun out and he decided he didn't want to go there , But I went to jail I just gotten out of the hospital and I could not take a beating Blah blah blah !" https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/801386951477417/?ref=category_feed&referral_code=null&referral_story_type=post&tracking=browse_serp%3A878f72b3-a0f4-40c8-b354-27932767e5f2 |
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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
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Naw can’t be an ARF member. No blading at 45.
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When your gun comes out of the holster it has to be for a pretty good reason. Especially if you point it at someone.
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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
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Here I am, Here I remain
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Arfcommers dont go to hospital cause they post online for medical advice since all doctors are idiots
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The mountains are calling, and I must go. -John Muir
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A true Texan would never leave his friends behind!
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Must have been in Houston
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I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.
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Originally Posted By eazeaz: Unless you have a badge right? Then you can point guns at people to make you feel safer View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By eazeaz: Originally Posted By Rocky41: When your gun comes out of the holster it has to be for a pretty good reason. Especially if you point it at someone. Unless you have a badge right? Then you can point guns at people to make you feel safer But the 14th amendment states everyone has equal 'protection' under the law. Wouldn't this mean if police can draw a firearm for their own protection to feel safer then I can too? I often see 'qualified immunity' cited as to why they can get away with it, but qualified immunity is only for civil not criminal immunity. |
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Originally Posted By Rocky41: When your gun comes out of the holster it has to be for a pretty good reason. Especially if you point it at someone. View Quote Generally, if you are doing that, you should have already satisfied the 5 components of self defense for pulling the trigger. Innocence Imminence Reasonableness Avoidance Proportionality |
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edit: wrong thread
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"Send lawyers, guns and money... the shit has hit the fan." -Warren Zevon
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There is nothing special about that Mini.
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It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack
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Originally Posted By miseses: Wouldn't this mean if police can draw a firearm for their own protection to feel safer then I can too? View Quote Prosecutors are starting to go much harder after police who whip guns out without sufficient justification. Just FYI. The ol' "It's OK, I'm a cop" thing has a lot less currency these days. You need a compelling reason to pull a gun in public. Badge or no. The badge means you have a few more compelling reasons than the typical citizen since you are summoned to the scene to help and have a duty to find and arrest violent bad guys. That's about it. |
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RIP Todd Louis Green - Help research working on a cure for cancer!
http://rampageforthecure.org/ |
Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Generally, if you are doing that, you should have already satisfied the 5 components of self defense for pulling the trigger. Innocence Imminence Reasonableness Avoidance Proportionality View Quote This. If you pull a gun, it's a use of force and you need a compelling articulation of why you did that. |
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RIP Todd Louis Green - Help research working on a cure for cancer!
http://rampageforthecure.org/ |
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Originally Posted By Jambalaya: This. I'd rather be asking for money for a lawyer than breathing through a tube in a hospital bed. View Quote ...or have purchased proper coverage for a defensive use of force ahead of time so that when you need that lawyer, you have all the resources necessary to help you. |
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RIP Todd Louis Green - Help research working on a cure for cancer!
http://rampageforthecure.org/ |
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Originally Posted By scuba_steve: Generally, if you are doing that, you should have already satisfied the 5 components of self defense for pulling the trigger. Innocence Imminence Reasonableness Avoidance Proportionality View Quote Proportionality is a horse shit test because it relies on the opinions of people who weren't there. |
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RIP Todd Louis Green - Help research working on a cure for cancer!
http://rampageforthecure.org/ |
Originally Posted By MattyMattel: Not exactly common in the US. View Quote Oh I forgot they were not sold in the US. They were sold in Canada though, there were dealerships for them in pretty much every city. I picked up a used one real cheap, couldn't get it running right and sold it to a 'Mini' enthusiast who fucked with it for about a week. It went up in flames, along with his garage. |
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It's a strange, strange world we live in, Master Jack
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Cops brandish all the time to deter somebody.
But if we do it, it is a crime. Edit: Police have the luxury of investigating themselves and finding no wrong doing. |
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Originally Posted By lilMAC25: The threat to life and limb (a beating) is a plenty good reason. I don’t have to sit there and take a beating nor will I. View Quote Unfortunately, even with legitimate concerns you WILL take a "beating" in attorney fees as you get arrested. Of course if you can't afford a good attorney, you can always just lose your 2nd amend rights and have a record follow you for life. |
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Originally Posted By VaniB: Unfortunately, even with legitimate concerns you WILL take a "beating" in attorney fees as you get arrested. Of course if you can't afford a good attorney, you can always just lose your 2nd amend rights and have a record follow you for life. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By VaniB: Originally Posted By lilMAC25: The threat to life and limb (a beating) is a plenty good reason. I don’t have to sit there and take a beating nor will I. Unfortunately, even with legitimate concerns you WILL take a "beating" in attorney fees as you get arrested. Of course if you can't afford a good attorney, you can always just lose your 2nd amend rights and have a record follow you for life. If that happens, fuck it. Glock switches for everyone. |
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Originally Posted By John_Wayne777: The entire legal system is based on the judgement of people who weren't there. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Originally Posted By John_Wayne777: Originally Posted By Jambalaya: Proportionality is a horse shit test because it relies on the opinions of people who weren't there. The entire legal system is based on the judgement of people who weren't there. You want to hear my opinion on the entire legal system? |
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