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Posted: 3/28/2024 5:31:42 PM EDT
[#1]
I finally got a 'A4 the other year, and am kicking myself in the ass for not getting one sooner. What a soft shooting rifle.
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 5:40:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Beamy: A 20in is required They're just so damn nice to shoot https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/142208/IMG_20231229_130851452_HDR_2_jpg-3171978.JPG Agree. If parts are correct/decent quality they will keep shooting so damn nice after you should have changed out consumable parts in a carbine length gas system. Both military configuration barrels balance superb and are a joy to carry. The HBAR profile seems very unweildy though. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 5:43:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesJones: If the Colt A4s are still under a grand when I get busy enough that 1k isn't more than a days work I might buy one. I'm barely making that a week now so I can't justify it. The PSA kits at $400ish are tempting every time I see them though. $400 free shipping I don't need this but it would be cool. Have a carry handle and probably a Anderson stripped lower laying around  Durn! That’s a deal! |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 5:49:06 PM EDT
[#4]
I like my 16" mid-length carbines but I love my 20" A2 rifle.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 6:04:59 PM EDT
[#5]
Had a 20 inch armalite for years til last year i built a 10.5.I like the 20 its a smooth shooter and very accurate.The sbr is nice for closer stuff no doubt i can hot steel with it to 200 yards but doubt the bullet is effective as the 20 inch.
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 6:29:55 PM EDT
[#6]
20" is a great length for anything over 300m. I opted for an 18" with rifle gas.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 6:36:28 PM EDT
[#7]
IMHO there's also a matter of the almost universal human trait of wanting what one can't have. IMO it there were a fed law that said no barrels over 16.1 due to increased velocity and lethality, I believe folks would scoff at short and lust for long. Just my two cents, not trying to start a fight, if you think I'm wrong that's fine.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 6:45:49 PM EDT
[#8]
I am not volunteering to stand down range while even a 5” barrel is pointing at me so get whatever you want. It all shoots and can be deadly.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 6:54:00 PM EDT
[#9]
No, you don't.
I mean they're cool and I have several, but I'd always recommend a 14.5" (or shorter) barrel, especially if you're only going to have one AR. Unless you have that one AR to do service rifle matches with. That'd be different, obviously. Then you'd want extra weight and a longer sight radius. (Sight radius is irrelevant with optics.) |
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USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 7:01:06 PM EDT
[#10]
The easiest/fastest way to castrate a rifle’s ballistics is to reduce its barrel length.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 7:03:39 PM EDT
[#11]
You need one of every length.
But 11.5/14.5/16 are the sweet spot. |
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NV, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 7:03:46 PM EDT
[#12]
Owning a 20" AR will make you more virile and women will desire your essence.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 7:07:33 PM EDT
[#13]
14.5, 16 and 18” fluted.
The 14.5 has a dot, the others scopes. Try to keep all my bases covered. |
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ID, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 7:52:48 PM EDT
[#14]
I’m a fan of 20” rifles, my favorite AR is my M16A1 clone.
 
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Posted: 3/28/2024 8:07:50 PM EDT
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MD, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 8:18:57 PM EDT
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18”
PSA at least use to get some 18” FN chrome lined “machine gun steel” barrels in. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 8:26:27 PM EDT
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20" plus a suppressor is way too long and I don't shoot unsuppressed so I have no use for it.
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WA, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 8:27:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Thrasymachus: Owning a 20" AR will make you more virile and women will desire your essence. I mostly have 20" ARs and this doesn't seem to be the case.
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AK, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 8:43:42 PM EDT
[#19]
Build a an A4 upper with an L-W Toob
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Posted: 3/28/2024 8:47:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wc22312: 20in with green tip You know why Nah, for the armor penetrator of which you allude, m193's speed is proven to be superior. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 8:48:45 PM EDT
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20” 5.56 is God-Tier. 20” 1/12 with actual 193 is God Tier.
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 8:51:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Surfgun: 18” PSA at least use to get some 18” FN chrome lined “machine gun steel” barrels in. I picked one of those up in HB config. She's heavy alright. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 8:52:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 03RN]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alnen123: Nah, for the armor penetrator of which you allude, m193's speed is proven to be superior. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alnen123: Originally Posted By wc22312: 20in with green tip You know why Nah, for the armor penetrator of which you allude, m193's speed is proven to be superior. I'll take the better green tip (77gr tmk)  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 8:55:32 PM EDT
[#24]
Maybe an A5 version (20” with collapsing stock)
I like running everything with a can so a 20” would be extremely long |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 8:58:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Sabot42-: 18" because indecision is the worst decision  My 18" with DD S2W (heavy) barrel. 
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:01:50 PM EDT
[#26]
Just sizzled the PSA kit for 400.
Where can I get a knock of ras that fits?
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:02:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:02:25 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vague: This is now a musket thread. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/246790/20240328_151948_jpg-3171965.JPG Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vague: Originally Posted By Trumpet: Mmmmmm....muskets.... Old BCM upper before they were labeled "BCM" https://i.imgur.com/QYSOlmuh.jpg This is now a musket thread. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/246790/20240328_151948_jpg-3171965.JPG Muskets you say....  And yes OP you need at least one musket. |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:03:52 PM EDT
[#29]
PSA has a sale on 20" uppers, $199 with no CH or BCG. I have spares of both so I got in on the deal. I've been hankering for a 20" for a while now.
20" Upper On Sale |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:06:22 PM EDT
[#30]
If I was only taking one into battle it's M16 all day!
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:08:16 PM EDT
[Last Edit: GrinningDag]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3-gun: 14.5, 16 and 18” fluted. The 14.5 has a dot, the others scopes. Try to keep all my bases covered. I have an 11.5" and a 16" with aimpoint pros. I really want an acog for my a2 clone but $1000 on an acog ain't an easy justification. My only long range rifle at the moment is my sp1 with a Colt 3x20 scope. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:10:35 PM EDT
[#32]
I want an iron-sighted 20"
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IL, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:11:31 PM EDT
[#33]
Meh....
I have one, never shoot it. I just have it at this point to say I have it. Outside of very specific purposes, 20" 6.5G or 6ARC > 20" 5.56 if talking small frames. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:12:45 PM EDT
[#34]
Bayonets just look funny on anything shorter than 20".
You do have a bayonet right? |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:18:19 PM EDT
[#35]
It is not a question of 'need' OP. It is 'want'. So yes, you do want a 20" AR to complete your stable
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:19:08 PM EDT
[#36]
Extra velocity on a 20" gives you more play room on a distance call to hit smaller targets. Can be useful while hunting varmints or during competition when don't have time to range exactly.
They also are soft shooters. Fun to have at least one in the safe |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:19:46 PM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Real_PhillBert: Everyone needs at least one 20" AR in their stable. 
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:21:07 PM EDT
[#38]
Two 20" barrels (at least)
Heavy 20" for competition (service rifle) or 20" heavy Varmint type upper for long range work. 20" pencil barrel retro type upper because they balance and carry around like a AR should for general shooting . Think Vietnam retro with 20" fixced stock iron sights that weighs 6+ lbs. Start adding bipods,optics and other stuff and it just gets heavy and cumberson Keep in mind a 20" unless it is pencil can be a heavy bitch that you are really going to have a special purpose that needs the 20" or you will get tired of draging it around. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:21:13 PM EDT
[#39]
20 inch is best inch.
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:24:39 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: I want an iron-sighted 20" You know what you need to do. Why don't you just climb onboard the bus drive on in with the winning team?  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:27:43 PM EDT
[#41]
Yes. And one in 24". Maybe some in 16". A few each in 10-14". Get these before you get into crazy stuff.
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WY, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:31:30 PM EDT
[#42]
I have a Colt SOCOM and a Colt AR-15A4 with the VLTOR buffer and I see absolutely no reason whatsoever to shoot my SOCOM anymore since putting that buffer on the A4. Unless you're getting in and out of vehicles with a rifle on your lap like you're in Iraq the 20" does everything better. The only advantages in the shorter barrel is weight and aftermarket support, since there's a lot more stuff out there made for carbines than rifle lengths.
You gain range, terminal performance, reliability, longer part life, better sight radius, and less recoil. I think it's worth the slight weight increase. |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:31:54 PM EDT
[Last Edit: JamesJones]
[#43]
Do they make knock off RAS for 20"?
Most $400 deals cost me a couple G's normally but I hope a GD guy can help. Thanks OP
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:33:23 PM EDT
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20" is nice for reaching out a bit more. Velocity is cool. With that said, if you really want to smack something far enough out that you need the length you shouldalso consider other cartridges.
Also, just putting it out there, a suppressed 14.5-16" gun is better all-around than an unsuppressed 20". Naturally, you really should get both
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TX, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:34:01 PM EDT
[#45]
Definitely need a 20” if you feel the craving. My A2 “clone-ish” is my all time favorite rifle. Ran it in a couple team matches and it was awesome.
 
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:35:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 11boomboom]
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Vague: You know what you need to do. Why don't you just climb onboard the bus drive on in with the winning team? https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/246790/776htq_jpg-3172334.JPG I have real deal, KAC M16 rails I acquired. Probably enough for 3 or 4 rifles. They need a home.  They were in the garbage pile when a unit near mine shut down. They were actually going to throw them away! 
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:40:15 PM EDT
[#47]
There's really something more intimidating about a long barrel. Just like a 6" barrel magnum revolver looks more intimidating than a 3" one, a M16 looks more intimidating than a M4. There's a psychological factor.
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AK, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:44:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: I want an iron-sighted 20" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: I want an iron-sighted 20" Scalarworks has the best lines:  Originally Posted By JamesJones: Do they make knock off RAS for 20"? Most $400 deals cost me a couple G's normally but I hope a GD guy can help. Thanks OP C4 Rail (7in - 12in) |
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:49:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 11boomboom: I have real deal, KAC M16 rails I acquired. Probably enough for 3 or 4 rifles. They need a home. They were in the garbage pile when a unit near mine shut down. They were actually going to throw them away! Nick |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/28/2024 9:49:56 PM EDT
[Last Edit: blue2golf]
[#50]
Get it. M16A2 was considered crew served on our M1A1 tanks, carried by the Loader. My PSA 20" isn't an exact A2 clone but it's close enough for me.
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