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Posted: 8/12/2016 11:49:01 PM EDT
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Thanks for the article. I'll start watching the reconstitute date on the hCG.
Another question. If the bacteriostatic water is in a multi use vial and has an expiration date of 2 years, why is it a 30 day until it's no good? I don't see anything about it needing to be used within 30 days of opening. It does say to clean the top before each use. |
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Posted: 8/12/2016 11:51:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Thanks for the article. I'll start watching the reconstitute date on the hCG. Another question. If the bacteriostatic water is in a multi use vial and has an expiration date of 2 years, why is it a 30 day until it's no good? I don't see anything about it needing to be used within 30 days of opening. It does say to clean the top before each use. I can't remember reading anything official on that either. In the hospital, vials expire 30 days after opening. Once opened, we have to tag them. |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 3:25:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Some thoughts...
Bacteriostatic water is just sterile water with .9% [by weight] benzyl alcohol added. Benzyl alcohol is readily available on eBay if you want to make your own should bacteriostatic water become unavailable. The alcohol is stable over time and the range of temp re this discussion. Might be useful to have 10ml put away Guidelines direct to store bac-water at certain temps, I keep in fridge or freeze. Note the interesting plastic of the vial, specially formulated for Bac-Water according to some links. I don't discard pre-used vials and possibly use them a year later. Since beginning HGH therapy, I use a lot of it...  I'm wondering if I should skip the alcohol component and use sterile water... My doc doesn't use bac-water for injection of peptides and supplies sterile water for 20 days refrigerated storage after being constituted.
We discussed this and he never mentioned he was adverse to injecting benzyl alcohol but I wonder if he is trying to minimize it in his patients? Also, look up the def of "bacteriostatic" |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 3:32:58 PM EDT
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google searched youtube for HCG
hcgchica has a shit load of annoying voice vids but is easy on the eyes btw lol almost all the results were for weight loss. is HCG some miracle wieght loss secret ? reading thru here people even say it burns the ever loving fuck out of fat at "high" doses for trt what is the dose folks use ? i see the HCG but where is the water am i blind? |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 3:35:04 PM EDT
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An observation...
When I reconstitute the HGRP's with sterile water vs. bac-water, the sterile water has an unpleasant but easily tolerable sting upon injection. |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 3:38:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Some thoughts... Since beginning HGH therapy, typo and meant HCG or am i going in the wrong direction looking for HCG ? if you say its the same then im over my head and stopping before i hurt myself
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Posted: 8/13/2016 3:38:35 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
google searched youtube for HCG hcgchica has a shit load of annoying voice vids but is easy on the eyes btw lol almost all the results were for weight loss. is HCG some miracle wieght loss secret ? reading thru here people even say it burns the ever loving fuck out of fat at "high" doses for trt what is the dose folks use ? i see the HCG but where is the water am i blind? For TRT, HCG is used to keep the testicles from disappearing... A typical dose is 0.6 ml of a 10,000iu/10ml solution, every 4 days SQ HGH therapy... /= HGC |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 3:41:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37: Some thoughts... Bacteriostatic water is just sterile water with .9% [by weight] benzyl alcohol added. Benzyl alcohol is readily available on eBay if you want to make your own should bacteriostatic water become unavailable. The alcohol is stable over time and the range of temp re this discussion. Guidelines direct to store at certain temps, I keep in fridge or freeze. Note the interesting plastic of the vial, specially formulated for Bac-Water according to some links. I don't discard pre-used vials and possibly use them a year later. Since beginning HGH therapy, I use a lot of it... I'm wondering if I should skip the alcohol component and use sterile water... My doc doesn't use bac-water for injection of peptides and supplies sterile water for 20 days refrigerated storage after being constituted.We discussed this and he never mentioned he was adverse to injecting benzyl alcohol but I wonder if he is trying to minimize it in his patients? Also, look up the def of "bacteriostatic" It costs about $3 for a vial of bacteriostatic water. I will spend that to avoid infection. On a multi-use vile I will throw it out after 30 days. Again I'll spend the $3 for a new vial and avoid infection. A regular doctor visit will cost me about $125, thanks Obama, plus whatever prescription I would need for an infection. That's about 42 vials of bacteriostatic water or about 4 years worth. I would much rather spend the $3 and have peace of mind. I also take multi-vitamins just in case. Sometimes an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and I will error on the side of caution. |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 3:45:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
For TRT, HCG is used to keep the testicles from disappearing... A typical dose is 0.6 ml of a 10,000iu/10ml solution, every 4 days SQ HGH therapy... /= HGC Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
google searched youtube for HCG hcgchica has a shit load of annoying voice vids but is easy on the eyes btw lol almost all the results were for weight loss. is HCG some miracle wieght loss secret ? reading thru here people even say it burns the ever loving fuck out of fat at "high" doses for trt what is the dose folks use ? i see the HCG but where is the water am i blind? For TRT, HCG is used to keep the testicles from disappearing... A typical dose is 0.6 ml of a 10,000iu/10ml solution, every 4 days SQ HGH therapy... /= HGC thanks.. |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 3:46:48 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE:
It costs about $3 for a vial of bacteriostatic water. I will spend that to avoid infection. On a multi-use vile I will throw it out after 30 days. Again I'll spend the $3 for a new vial and avoid infection. A regular doctor visit will cost me about $125, thanks Obama, plus whatever prescription I would need for an infection. That's about 42 vials of bacteriostatic water or about 4 years worth. I would much rather spend the $3 and have peace of mind. I also take multi-vitamins just in case. Sometimes an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and I will error on the side of caution. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
Some thoughts... Bacteriostatic water is just sterile water with .9% [by weight] benzyl alcohol added. Benzyl alcohol is readily available on eBay if you want to make your own should bacteriostatic water become unavailable. The alcohol is stable over time and the range of temp re this discussion. Guidelines direct to store at certain temps, I keep in fridge or freeze. Note the interesting plastic of the vial, specially formulated for Bac-Water according to some links. I don't discard pre-used vials and possibly use them a year later. Since beginning HGH therapy, I use a lot of it... I'm wondering if I should skip the alcohol component and use sterile water... My doc doesn't use bac-water for injection of peptides and supplies sterile water for 20 days refrigerated storage after being constituted.
We discussed this and he never mentioned he was adverse to injecting benzyl alcohol but I wonder if he is trying to minimize it in his patients? Also, look up the def of "bacteriostatic" It costs about $3 for a vial of bacteriostatic water. I will spend that to avoid infection. On a multi-use vile I will throw it out after 30 days. Again I'll spend the $3 for a new vial and avoid infection. A regular doctor visit will cost me about $125, thanks Obama, plus whatever prescription I would need for an infection. That's about 42 vials of bacteriostatic water or about 4 years worth. I would much rather spend the $3 and have peace of mind. I also take multi-vitamins just in case. Sometimes an ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure and I will error on the side of caution. Please cite source of $3 bac water. Last I paid was about $7 per 30 ml vial in small quantities. Also, whatever floats your security blankie... 
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Posted: 8/13/2016 3:47:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT: i see the HCG but where is the water am i blind? You can use either bacteriostatic water or bacteriostatic sodium chloride which is just salt water that closely matches the water in your body. Make sure it says "bacteriostatic" and not just "sterile", then double check before you check out. Sometimes sites put recommended products on the page and it will be sterile water which is only good for one dose. http://www.liquidations-outlet.com/Bacteriostatic-Sodium-Chloride_c_236.html |
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Posted: 8/13/2016 3:53:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE:
You can use either bacteriostatic water or bacteriostatic sodium chloride which is just salt water that closely matches the water in your body. Make sure it says "bacteriostatic" and not just "sterile", then double check before you check out. Sometimes sites put recommended products on the page and it will be sterile water which is only good for one dose. http://www.liquidations-outlet.com/Bacteriostatic-Water_c_179.html http://www.liquidations-outlet.com/Bacteriostatic-Sodium-Chloride_c_236.html Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
i see the HCG but where is the water am i blind? You can use either bacteriostatic water or bacteriostatic sodium chloride which is just salt water that closely matches the water in your body. Make sure it says "bacteriostatic" and not just "sterile", then double check before you check out. Sometimes sites put recommended products on the page and it will be sterile water which is only good for one dose. http://www.liquidations-outlet.com/Bacteriostatic-Water_c_179.html http://www.liquidations-outlet.com/Bacteriostatic-Sodium-Chloride_c_236.html Thanks for the sources... |
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Posted: 8/15/2016 11:18:07 AM EDT
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Any of you guys do B12 injections, and if so, do you notice an increase in energy doing it?
One of the local anti-aging/Low T/weight loss clinics is evangelizing it. |
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Posted: 8/15/2016 11:21:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeteCO:
Any of you guys do B12 injections, and if so, do you notice an increase in energy doing it? One of the local anti-aging/Low T/weight loss clinics is evangelizing it. I've done them before... 50/50 mixed bag. Sometimes I feel great afterwards, sometimes I feel no change. I've personally put them in the "not snake oil but not needed" category. |
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Posted: 8/15/2016 11:59:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Thanks for the sources... Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
Originally Posted By SWIRE:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
i see the HCG but where is the water am i blind? You can use either bacteriostatic water or bacteriostatic sodium chloride which is just salt water that closely matches the water in your body. Make sure it says "bacteriostatic" and not just "sterile", then double check before you check out. Sometimes sites put recommended products on the page and it will be sterile water which is only good for one dose. http://www.liquidations-outlet.com/Bacteriostatic-Water_c_179.html http://www.liquidations-outlet.com/Bacteriostatic-Sodium-Chloride_c_236.html Thanks for the sources... They run sales and have promo codes all the time. Right now the 30ml bottle is on sale for $3.98 and sometimes you can add another 10% to 15% discount on top of that. |
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Posted: 8/15/2016 3:16:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PeteCO:
Any of you guys do B12 injections, and if so, do you notice an increase in energy doing it? One of the local anti-aging/Low T/weight loss clinics is evangelizing it. The wife did them for a while and said they seemed to help a little but there was a lot of volume and they tended to leaves knots on her stomach for days. The injections shouldn't be expensive. A month's worth was $10 or $20. |
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Posted: 8/15/2016 4:29:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: The wife did them for a while and said they seemed to help a little but there was a lot of volume and they tended to leaves knots on her stomach for days. The injections shouldn't be expensive. A month's worth was $10 or $20. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By PeteCO: Any of you guys do B12 injections, and if so, do you notice an increase in energy doing it? One of the local anti-aging/Low T/weight loss clinics is evangelizing it. The wife did them for a while and said they seemed to help a little but there was a lot of volume and they tended to leaves knots on her stomach for days. The injections shouldn't be expensive. A month's worth was $10 or $20. Depends what kind of B12 you get, where it comes from, and how much/how often it is used. There is a cheap form of B12, cyanocobalamin, that has to be broken down by the body before it can be used and a more expensive type, methylcobalamin, that can be directly metabolized by the body. Some of the cheap stuff is being imported as generics from China. You can get 30ml of cyanocobalamin for around $30 and 30ml of methylcobalamin for $150. |
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Posted: 8/16/2016 5:06:42 PM EDT
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Went to my 3rd urologist, ever, today. He had his own rice bowl to protect and was really putting on the salesman schtick for his particular specialty.
Soooo....naturally, he shit on Low T and that my levels were up around 800. He then went on to say that I should be reducing the T, that I should be at like 500. Then he went on to say if my levels were 300, or 500, or 800, I would feel the same. It's aggravating. I haven't been back to my neuro yet. I suspect that an MRI is in my future. One cause for twitching toes could be "tavlor cysts" on my nerves as they exit my spine/sacrum. So I am hoping an MRI shows something. Still a little worried by the 3 neuro's who saw me last week who asked, "Ever had an MRI of the brain?" Naturally, I am trying to roll through the mental rolodex to try to remember any spine/lumbar/sacrum or head trauma when I was at USAFA. I didn't tell the uro today that I wanted to push my T level to say 1,100...teenager levels. He was sniffing around trying to determine if I was abusing the test shots for weightlifting/bodybuilding. |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 7:36:14 PM EDT
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Latest labs came back:
Total T: 716 Free T: 19.5 Estradiol: 81.2  Maybe that explains why I haven't felt quite as good for the last few weeks. I have a prescription for 1mg Anastrozole but quit taking it because I didn't think it made a difference. I guess it did. I get weekly injections of 230 mg. I guess my question is whether it matters if I wait 48 hours to take the anastrozole versus taking it now. |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 7:47:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: CLICKBANGBANG]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By corwin1968:
Latest labs came back: Total T: 716 Free T: 19.5 Estradiol: 81.2
Maybe that explains why I haven't felt quite as good for the last few weeks. I have a prescription for 1mg Anastrozole but quit taking it because I didn't think it made a difference. I guess it did. I get weekly injections of 230 mg. I guess my question is whether it matters if I wait 48 hours to take the anastrozole versus taking it now. Ranges? For E I'll assume 20-50. Break the pill in half. Take the .5mg twice a week. Half life is short, so to keep your E down, you do 2-3 doses a week. You could take half now, and the other half in 48 hours. With your E that high, it won't hurt. I'd do 1mg of AI for the next three weeks split into .5mg dose twice per week. Then drop to doing .25mg twice a week. You want to take as little AI as possible. |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 8:39:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG: Ranges? For E I'll assume 20-50. Break the pill in half. Take the .5mg twice a week. Half life is short, so to keep your E down, you do 2-3 doses a week. You could take half now, and the other half in 48 hours. With your E that high, it won't hurt. I'd do 1mg of AI for the next three weeks split into .5mg dose twice per week. Then drop to doing .25mg twice a week. You want to take as little AI as possible. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG: Originally Posted By corwin1968: Latest labs came back: Total T: 716 Free T: 19.5 Estradiol: 81.2 Maybe that explains why I haven't felt quite as good for the last few weeks. I have a prescription for 1mg Anastrozole but quit taking it because I didn't think it made a difference. I guess it did. I get weekly injections of 230 mg. I guess my question is whether it matters if I wait 48 hours to take the anastrozole versus taking it now. Ranges? For E I'll assume 20-50. Break the pill in half. Take the .5mg twice a week. Half life is short, so to keep your E down, you do 2-3 doses a week. You could take half now, and the other half in 48 hours. With your E that high, it won't hurt. I'd do 1mg of AI for the next three weeks split into .5mg dose twice per week. Then drop to doing .25mg twice a week. You want to take as little AI as possible. |
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Posted: 8/17/2016 8:40:05 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By corwin1968:
Latest labs came back: Total T: 716 Free T: 19.5 Estradiol: 81.2
Maybe that explains why I haven't felt quite as good for the last few weeks. I have a prescription for 1mg Anastrozole but quit taking it because I didn't think it made a difference. I guess it did. I get weekly injections of 230 mg. I guess my question is whether it matters if I wait 48 hours to take the anastrozole versus taking it now. I take a little whenever I feel like it. Every couple weeks... My T runs around 1000 L-C scale. I don't OVERDO it... For me, 1 mg a week would CRASH it. Ask how I know... 
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Posted: 8/18/2016 12:24:18 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 50ttop]
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Since my Estradiol came back at over 60 in December, my doctor has had me in a holding pattern taking 200 mg of Test Cyp a week. I've felt like shit for over six months and just got my most recent labs back last week. He now wants to take a CT of my adrenal glands to make sure there isn't a tumor, is still refusing to treat with an AI, and wants to cut back on the amount of testosterone for six more months to see if that lowers the Estradiol. I am kinda at a loss here other than changing doctors, which I've already made an appt for.
Labs were taken approx 18 hours after injection. Total 1501.2 Free 44.4 Estradiol 54.8 SHBG 10.2 |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 1:54:06 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50ttop:
Since my Estradiol came back at over 60 in December, my doctor has had me in a holding pattern taking 200 mg of Test Cyp a week. I've felt like shit for over six months and just got my most recent labs back last week. He now wants to take a CT of my adrenal glands to make sure there isn't a tumor, is still refusing to treat with an AI, and wants to cut back on the amount of testosterone for six more months to see if that lowers the Estradiol. I am kinda at a loss here other than changing doctors, which I've already made an appt for. Labs were taken approx 18 hours after injection. Total 1501.2 Free 44.4 Estradiol 54.8 SHBG 10.2 Man, doesn't look too bad! I'd be out chasing cars and biting tires at those levels.... 
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Posted: 8/18/2016 2:01:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50ttop:
Since my Estradiol came back at over 60 in December, my doctor has had me in a holding pattern taking 200 mg of Test Cyp a week. I've felt like shit for over six months and just got my most recent labs back last week. He now wants to take a CT of my adrenal glands to make sure there isn't a tumor, is still refusing to treat with an AI, and wants to cut back on the amount of testosterone for six more months to see if that lowers the Estradiol. I am kinda at a loss here other than changing doctors, which I've already made an appt for. Labs were taken approx 18 hours after injection. Total 1501.2 Free 44.4 Estradiol 54.8 SHBG 10.2 
Get your own AI. |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 2:23:52 PM EDT
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Yep...
However, with recent data 50 doesn't seem to be the issue we once thought it was... Might be healthier... |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 3:00:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 50ttop:
Since my Estradiol came back at over 60 in December, my doctor has had me in a holding pattern taking 200 mg of Test Cyp a week. I've felt like shit for over six months and just got my most recent labs back last week. He now wants to take a CT of my adrenal glands to make sure there isn't a tumor, is still refusing to treat with an AI, and wants to cut back on the amount of testosterone for six more months to see if that lowers the Estradiol. I am kinda at a loss here other than changing doctors, which I've already made an appt for. Labs were taken approx 18 hours after injection. Total 1501.2 Free 44.4 Estradiol 54.8 SHBG 10.2 With a total T at 1500 you might feel a whole lot better at 800-1000. A reduction in dose is not a bad thing but I sure as hell wouldn't wait 6 months. Retest again in 6 weeks and see what happens. 200mg/ week is a stout dosage at 100mg week my total is at 900+. AI's may be necessary but if you can control E2 by titrating the dosage and feel good why wouldn't you. Think about it this way we have all run into doctors that say you're in range you're good. Why because they're too focused on the numbers and don't listen to the patient's symptoms. In your case you feel bad. Is that because your E is too high or could it be because your T is too high and driving your E high as well. The doc may not be that far off in your case. His refusal to consider an AI is ignorant but even a broken clock is right twice a day. |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 3:24:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
With a total T at 1500 you might feel a whole lot better at 800-1000. A reduction in dose is not a bad thing but I sure as hell wouldn't wait 6 months. Retest again in 6 weeks and see what happens. 200mg/ week is a stout dosage at 100mg week my total is at 900+. AI's may be necessary but if you can control E2 by titrating the dosage and feel good why wouldn't you. Think about it this way we have all run into doctors that say you're in range you're good. Why because they're too focused on the numbers and don't listen to the patient's symptoms. In your case you feel bad. Is that because your E is too high or could it be because your T is too high and driving your E high as well. The doc may not be that far off in your case. His refusal to consider an AI is ignorant but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 2tired2run:
Originally Posted By 50ttop:
Since my Estradiol came back at over 60 in December, my doctor has had me in a holding pattern taking 200 mg of Test Cyp a week. I've felt like shit for over six months and just got my most recent labs back last week. He now wants to take a CT of my adrenal glands to make sure there isn't a tumor, is still refusing to treat with an AI, and wants to cut back on the amount of testosterone for six more months to see if that lowers the Estradiol. I am kinda at a loss here other than changing doctors, which I've already made an appt for. Labs were taken approx 18 hours after injection. Total 1501.2 Free 44.4 Estradiol 54.8 SHBG 10.2 With a total T at 1500 you might feel a whole lot better at 800-1000. A reduction in dose is not a bad thing but I sure as hell wouldn't wait 6 months. Retest again in 6 weeks and see what happens. 200mg/ week is a stout dosage at 100mg week my total is at 900+. AI's may be necessary but if you can control E2 by titrating the dosage and feel good why wouldn't you. Think about it this way we have all run into doctors that say you're in range you're good. Why because they're too focused on the numbers and don't listen to the patient's symptoms. In your case you feel bad. Is that because your E is too high or could it be because your T is too high and driving your E high as well. The doc may not be that far off in your case. His refusal to consider an AI is ignorant but even a broken clock is right twice a day. The Labs I had done in December were 7 days after injection total 599.3 Free 22.1 E2 67 |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 4:40:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SMRT]
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cycles?
I see people talking abut cycles. is this only for high dose people... ? people that take a "tad bit" more then required for normal TRT ( recreational users ) ? or everyone on TRT has to do a "cycle" my doc said take this 1 time a week. i assumed till i die. what about the HCG cycles? same here , are HCG "cycles" for people that do more then the normal TRT level stuff ? im seeing that overuse / extended use of HCG burns out the receptors ? caught up on most , these are the questions i have unanswered |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 5:32:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
cycles? I see people talking abut cycles. is this only for high dose people... ? people that take a "tad bit" more then required for normal TRT ( recreational users ) ? or everyone on TRT has to do a "cycle" my doc said take this 1 time a week. i assumed till i die. what about the HCG cycles? same here , are HCG "cycles" for people that do more then the normal TRT level stuff ? im seeing that overuse / extended use of HCG burns out the receptors ? caught up on most , these are the questions i have unanswered HCG dose NOT need to be cycled. Keep the HCG doses in the correct range and they don't burn receptors. Cycling Cypionate is for guys looking for the anibolic affect of the testosterone. You do NOT need to cycle TRT doses of Cypionate. When guys cycle HCG they are coming off an anibolic cycle. They do what's called post cycle therapy. You only need to PCT when you are not on a TRT dose. When they cycle large anabolic doses of Test Cyp and other drugs, it can shut down their natural production of testosterone. These guys are using PCT to try and jump start their natural testosterone production again so they can cycle off the drugs without having a huge hormone crash and swing. You need to stay off the anabolic and steroid forums. Read testosterone replacement therapy info. |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 5:45:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
HCG dose NOT need to be cycled. Keep the HCG doses in the correct range and they don't burn receptors. Cycling Cypionate is for guys looking for the anibolic affect of the testosterone. You do NOT need to cycle TRT doses of Cypionate. When guys cycle HCG they are coming off an anibolic cycle. They do what's called post cycle therapy. You only need to PCT when you are not on a TRT dose. When they cycle large anabolic doses of Test Cyp and other drugs, it can shut down their natural production of testosterone. These guys are using PCT to try and jump start their natural testosterone production again so they can cycle off the drugs without having a huge hormone crash and swing. You need to stay off the anabolic and steroid forums. Read testosterone replacement therapy info. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
cycles? I see people talking abut cycles. is this only for high dose people... ? people that take a "tad bit" more then required for normal TRT ( recreational users ) ? or everyone on TRT has to do a "cycle" my doc said take this 1 time a week. i assumed till i die. what about the HCG cycles? same here , are HCG "cycles" for people that do more then the normal TRT level stuff ? im seeing that overuse / extended use of HCG burns out the receptors ? caught up on most , these are the questions i have unanswered HCG dose NOT need to be cycled. Keep the HCG doses in the correct range and they don't burn receptors. Cycling Cypionate is for guys looking for the anibolic affect of the testosterone. You do NOT need to cycle TRT doses of Cypionate. When guys cycle HCG they are coming off an anibolic cycle. They do what's called post cycle therapy. You only need to PCT when you are not on a TRT dose. When they cycle large anabolic doses of Test Cyp and other drugs, it can shut down their natural production of testosterone. These guys are using PCT to try and jump start their natural testosterone production again so they can cycle off the drugs without having a huge hormone crash and swing. You need to stay off the anabolic and steroid forums. Read testosterone replacement therapy info. thanks for clearing that up . 
You need to stay off the anabolic and steroid forums. Read testosterone replacement therapy info. man it seems that any trt discussion eventually leads to those forums 
bottom line - no cycling / no non TRT dose of anything that is cleared up now. |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 7:41:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
thanks for clearing that up .
You need to stay off the anabolic and steroid forums. Read testosterone replacement therapy info. man it seems that any trt discussion eventually leads to those forums
bottom line - no cycling / no non TRT dose of anything that is cleared up now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
cycles? I see people talking abut cycles. is this only for high dose people... ? people that take a "tad bit" more then required for normal TRT ( recreational users ) ? or everyone on TRT has to do a "cycle" my doc said take this 1 time a week. i assumed till i die. what about the HCG cycles? same here , are HCG "cycles" for people that do more then the normal TRT level stuff ? im seeing that overuse / extended use of HCG burns out the receptors ? caught up on most , these are the questions i have unanswered HCG dose NOT need to be cycled. Keep the HCG doses in the correct range and they don't burn receptors. Cycling Cypionate is for guys looking for the anibolic affect of the testosterone. You do NOT need to cycle TRT doses of Cypionate. When guys cycle HCG they are coming off an anibolic cycle. They do what's called post cycle therapy. You only need to PCT when you are not on a TRT dose. When they cycle large anabolic doses of Test Cyp and other drugs, it can shut down their natural production of testosterone. These guys are using PCT to try and jump start their natural testosterone production again so they can cycle off the drugs without having a huge hormone crash and swing. You need to stay off the anabolic and steroid forums. Read testosterone replacement therapy info. thanks for clearing that up .
You need to stay off the anabolic and steroid forums. Read testosterone replacement therapy info. man it seems that any trt discussion eventually leads to those forums
bottom line - no cycling / no non TRT dose of anything that is cleared up now. Good advice from click. |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 9:24:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: killswitch]
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By corwin1968:
Latest labs came back: Total T: 716 Free T: 19.5 Estradiol: 81.2
Maybe that explains why I haven't felt quite as good for the last few weeks. I have a prescription for 1mg Anastrozole but quit taking it because I didn't think it made a difference. I guess it did. I get weekly injections of 230 mg. I guess my question is whether it matters if I wait 48 hours to take the anastrozole versus taking it now. The timing of the labs in relation to your last shot is helpful. If you are 720 at the lowers point then thats not too bad. But 720 total T on 900 mg a month might not be that spectacular a result, depending. I could duplicate that on about 600 mg a month, depending on if we are talking peak or trough. |
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Posted: 8/18/2016 11:53:36 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
HCG dose NOT need to be cycled. Keep the HCG doses in the correct range and they don't burn receptors. Cycling Cypionate is for guys looking for the anibolic affect of the testosterone. You do NOT need to cycle TRT doses of Cypionate. When guys cycle HCG they are coming off an anibolic cycle. They do what's called post cycle therapy. You only need to PCT when you are not on a TRT dose. When they cycle large anabolic doses of Test Cyp and other drugs, it can shut down their natural production of testosterone. These guys are using PCT to try and jump start their natural testosterone production again so they can cycle off the drugs without having a huge hormone crash and swing. You need to stay off the anabolic and steroid forums. Read testosterone replacement therapy info. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
cycles? I see people talking abut cycles. is this only for high dose people... ? people that take a "tad bit" more then required for normal TRT ( recreational users ) ? or everyone on TRT has to do a "cycle" my doc said take this 1 time a week. i assumed till i die. what about the HCG cycles? same here , are HCG "cycles" for people that do more then the normal TRT level stuff ? im seeing that overuse / extended use of HCG burns out the receptors ? caught up on most , these are the questions i have unanswered HCG dose NOT need to be cycled. Keep the HCG doses in the correct range and they don't burn receptors. Cycling Cypionate is for guys looking for the anibolic affect of the testosterone. You do NOT need to cycle TRT doses of Cypionate. When guys cycle HCG they are coming off an anibolic cycle. They do what's called post cycle therapy. You only need to PCT when you are not on a TRT dose. When they cycle large anabolic doses of Test Cyp and other drugs, it can shut down their natural production of testosterone. These guys are using PCT to try and jump start their natural testosterone production again so they can cycle off the drugs without having a huge hormone crash and swing. You need to stay off the anabolic and steroid forums. Read testosterone replacement therapy info. Exactly this. It's beyond the scope of the asked question, but that does ignore the "blast & cruise" HRT guys that cycle in higher doses or other orals/injectables. If you plan on being on HRT for life, especially with HCG, then they figure that temporarily "blasting" to build some mass doesn't carry the same risk as it does for someone not on HRT. |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 7:02:19 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drkddl:
Exactly this. It's beyond the scope of the asked question, but that does ignore the "blast & cruise" HRT guys that cycle in higher doses or other orals/injectables. If you plan on being on HRT for life, especially with HCG, then they figure that temporarily "blasting" to build some mass doesn't carry the same risk as it does for someone not on HRT. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drkddl:
Originally Posted By CLICKBANGBANG:
Originally Posted By SMRT:
cycles? I see people talking abut cycles. is this only for high dose people... ? people that take a "tad bit" more then required for normal TRT ( recreational users ) ? or everyone on TRT has to do a "cycle" my doc said take this 1 time a week. i assumed till i die. what about the HCG cycles? same here , are HCG "cycles" for people that do more then the normal TRT level stuff ? im seeing that overuse / extended use of HCG burns out the receptors ? caught up on most , these are the questions i have unanswered HCG dose NOT need to be cycled. Keep the HCG doses in the correct range and they don't burn receptors. Cycling Cypionate is for guys looking for the anibolic affect of the testosterone. You do NOT need to cycle TRT doses of Cypionate. When guys cycle HCG they are coming off an anibolic cycle. They do what's called post cycle therapy. You only need to PCT when you are not on a TRT dose. When they cycle large anabolic doses of Test Cyp and other drugs, it can shut down their natural production of testosterone. These guys are using PCT to try and jump start their natural testosterone production again so they can cycle off the drugs without having a huge hormone crash and swing. You need to stay off the anabolic and steroid forums. Read testosterone replacement therapy info. Exactly this. It's beyond the scope of the asked question, but that does ignore the "blast & cruise" HRT guys that cycle in higher doses or other orals/injectables. If you plan on being on HRT for life, especially with HCG, then they figure that temporarily "blasting" to build some mass doesn't carry the same risk as it does for someone not on HRT. There is no risk of someone who's not on TRT too blast. IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 7:10:50 AM EDT
[#36]
It's clear that some of the folks in this thread have done their homework and/or had a lot of experience with the nuances of TRT. Can anyone recommend a good book that can actually educate me on this stuff. I bought The Definitive Testosterone Replacement MANual by Jay Campbell and wasn't too impressed with it. Just a very general overview, even though it claims to be a comprehensive guide. Or maybe there is a good website that can help me learn this stuff.
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Posted: 8/19/2016 7:19:47 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
There is no risk of someone who's not on TRT too blast. IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I fully agree with you, but that goes out of the bounds of an HRT thread 
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Posted: 8/19/2016 9:18:28 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By corwin1968:
It's clear that some of the folks in this thread have done their homework and/or had a lot of experience with the nuances of TRT. Can anyone recommend a good book that can actually educate me on this stuff. I bought The Definitive Testosterone Replacement MANual by Jay Campbell and wasn't too impressed with it. Just a very general overview, even though it claims to be a comprehensive guide. Or maybe there is a good website that can help me learn this stuff. Tnation.com Pick a rainy weekend and get after it. |
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Posted: 8/19/2016 9:18:49 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drkddl:
I fully agree with you, but that goes out of the bounds of an HRT thread Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By drkddl:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
There is no risk of someone who's not on TRT too blast. IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I fully agree with you, but that goes out of the bounds of an HRT thread 
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Posted: 8/19/2016 9:29:29 AM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Tnation.com Pick a rainy weekend and get after it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By corwin1968:
It's clear that some of the folks in this thread have done their homework and/or had a lot of experience with the nuances of TRT. Can anyone recommend a good book that can actually educate me on this stuff. I bought The Definitive Testosterone Replacement MANual by Jay Campbell and wasn't too impressed with it. Just a very general overview, even though it claims to be a comprehensive guide. Or maybe there is a good website that can help me learn this stuff. Tnation.com Pick a rainy weekend and get after it. Tnation has a couple of really good primer threads. Between there and this thread, if you can't find it, you don't need it.
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Posted: 8/19/2016 5:43:08 PM EDT
[Last Edit: 2tired2run]
[#41]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By pumbaajk:
Originally Posted By drkddl:
Originally Posted By pumbaajk:
There is no risk of someone who's not on TRT too blast. IF YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE DOING. I fully agree with you, but that goes out of the bounds of an HRT thread Yeah until you get old like me and the chassis gives out... 
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Posted: 8/22/2016 8:01:00 AM EDT
[#42]
To all the regular contributors to this thread, please accept my heartfelt "thank you". I've been on TRT for 9 months, (though I was first diagnosed with low T due to a prolactinoma 5 years ago).
Because of this thread, and the information herein, I was recently able to locate a reliable place to get my Rx, and got my conservative Endo to agree with me giving myself weeky injections. |
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Posted: 8/23/2016 4:07:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: SMRT]
[#43]
week 7 ( I think )
for all that ask how long to feel results .. to feel better . my answer is about 6 weeks. didnt even notice i felt better
just starting living life again instead of getting thru it. does that make sense? there wasn't a "moment" when it hit me there has been no hulk smash events hell if anything.. it has turned me into a lover.. not a fighter if you know what i mean - on this note i had an issue where morning wood came back with a vengeance but i was unable to ejaculate .. that fixed itself .. shrug
there was however a moment when i looked back , smiled and said... hey "im back" because of all the things I've been doing.. not because on one thing.. It is a no shit quality of life thing. not many details to share but here goes while on test-c alone i felt no difference. thru here i learned about and ordered an AI . within 7 days there was a huge difference in how i FEEL . not look or lift or other stuff other people are looking for .. I feel normal again Doc would not do an AI or HCG hell he only tested for test and NOTHING else my labcorp test results was one line. test - 205 - low then blank space. this thread.. and everyone in it - what can i say -thank you- HCG- on the fence havent used yet feel GREAT right now it aint broke anymore so i dont wanna "fix" it . im good where i am for the moment. no shrinkage off the balls yet .. when i see that i may cross that bridge my costs including HCG which i havent bought yet also i see i didnt factor in the lab costs 
not bad for the TLDR crowd. im still on page 196 Almost caught up. if your lowT or THINK your low T TLDR doesnt apply to you . the best thing that you can do for yourself is sit down and read this thread. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:09:56 AM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SMRT:
week 7 ( I think ) for all that ask how long to feel results .. to feel better . my answer is about 6 weeks. didnt even notice i felt better
just starting living life again instead of getting thru it. does that make sense? there wasn't a "moment" when it hit me there has been no hulk smash events hell if anything.. it has turned me into a lover.. not a fighter if you know what i mean - on this note i had an issue where morning wood came back with a vengeance but i was unable to ejaculate .. that fixed itself .. shrug
there was however a moment when i looked back , smiled and said... hey "im back" because of all the things I've been doing.. not because on one thing.. It is a no shit quality of life thing. not many details to share but here goes while on test-c alone i felt no difference. thru here i learned about and ordered an AI . within 7 days there was a huge difference in how i FEEL . not look or lift or other stuff other people are looking for .. I feel normal again Doc would not do an AI or HCG hell he only tested for test and NOTHING else my labcorp test results was one line. test - 205 - low then blank space. this thread.. and everyone in it - what can i say -thank you- HCG- on the fence havent used yet feel GREAT right now it aint broke anymore so i dont wanna "fix" it . im good where i am for the moment. no shrinkage off the balls yet .. when i see that i may cross that bridge my costs including HCG which i havent bought yet also i see i didnt factor in the lab costs http://i66.tinypic.com/2zjbdrk.png not bad for the TLDR crowd. im still on page 196 Almost caught up. if your lowT or THINK your low T TLDR doesnt apply to you . the best thing that you can do for yourself is sit down and read this thread. Sounds like you are doing well!!! Looks like a 2.5 year supply of Arimidex! Never saw a 0.25 mg tab of Arimidex, always have to bite a 1/4 off, every couple weeks. That reminds me... It might be wise to order a comprehensive Labcorp via PrivateMD Labs for a "While I Feel Great" Baseline
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:24:38 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE: Depends what kind of B12 you get, where it comes from, and how much/how often it is used. There is a cheap form of B12, cyanocobalamin, that has to be broken down by the body before it can be used and a more expensive type, methylcobalamin, that can be directly metabolized by the body. Some of the cheap stuff is being imported as generics from China. You can get 30ml of cyanocobalamin for around $30 and 30ml of methylcobalamin for $150. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By PeteCO: Any of you guys do B12 injections, and if so, do you notice an increase in energy doing it? One of the local anti-aging/Low T/weight loss clinics is evangelizing it. The wife did them for a while and said they seemed to help a little but there was a lot of volume and they tended to leaves knots on her stomach for days. The injections shouldn't be expensive. A month's worth was $10 or $20. Depends what kind of B12 you get, where it comes from, and how much/how often it is used. There is a cheap form of B12, cyanocobalamin, that has to be broken down by the body before it can be used and a more expensive type, methylcobalamin, that can be directly metabolized by the body. Some of the cheap stuff is being imported as generics from China. You can get 30ml of cyanocobalamin for around $30 and 30ml of methylcobalamin for $150. I haven't seen B12 anywhere without a scrip. Seems like even the vet places require one. |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 11:25:22 AM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#46]
While here I'll update the Sermorelin, GHRP-2 and GHRP-6 treatment results.
The lower back pain from a sore vertrabre that I hurt pretty badly lifting a SUV tire and wheel assembly has gone away. I reported this before, and it took about 2 months after starting the ^^^ One day I noticed the soreness and pain was gone...
The skin warts [subqsweshish] old timey people get on their heads, scalps, etc., that there's no cure for, have dishappeared. I can lift the tire and wheel everyday many reps and do another exercise with it, basically holding it low and exercising biceps. Sometimes this irritates my back for a few hours. I've been thinking about getting a job at a tire store... Stronger than I ever was I think, my body has a sort of new and good shape. A couple weeks ago my PA said I looked like a new and better person than 3 years ago when I first sat at her desk. Have a good psychology, except around #Nevertrumpers... That prompted my Avatar I'll keep until elections.
Other stuff works almost too well, and I'm thankful! Highly motivated! See all my posts in the survival forum. Best of all ---I can accept responsibility for my dumassedness ---unlike one or two others here... Who may not see this unless somebuddy quotes it... 
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Posted: 8/24/2016 2:58:46 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By EXPY37:
While here I'll update the Sermorelin, GHRP-2 and GHRP-6 treatment results. The lower back pain from a sore vertrabre that I hurt pretty badly lifting a SUV tire and wheel assembly has gone away. I reported this before, and it took about 2 months after starting the ^^^ One day I noticed the soreness and pain was gone...
The skin warts [subqsweshish] old timey people get on their heads, scalps, etc., that there's no cure for, have dishappeared. I can lift the tire and wheel everyday many reps and do another exercise with it, basically holding it low and exercising biceps. Sometimes this irritates my back for a few hours. I've been thinking about getting a job at a tire store... Stronger than I ever was I think, my body has a sort of new and good shape. A couple weeks ago my PA said I looked like a new and better person than 3 years ago when I first sat at her desk. Have a good psychology, except around #Nevertrumpers... That prompted my Avatar I'll keep until elections.
Other stuff works almost too well, and I'm thankful! Highly motivated! See all my posts in the survival forum. Best of all ---I can accept responsibility for my dumassedness ---unlike one or two others here... Who may not see this unless somebuddy quotes it...
Everyone is different, but have you noticed any changes in blood pressure with your mix? |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:02:43 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Everyone is different, but have you noticed any changes in blood pressure with your mix? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By cowboy:
Originally Posted By EXPY37:
While here I'll update the Sermorelin, GHRP-2 and GHRP-6 treatment results. The lower back pain from a sore vertrabre that I hurt pretty badly lifting a SUV tire and wheel assembly has gone away. I reported this before, and it took about 2 months after starting the ^^^ One day I noticed the soreness and pain was gone...
The skin warts [subqsweshish] old timey people get on their heads, scalps, etc., that there's no cure for, have dishappeared. I can lift the tire and wheel everyday many reps and do another exercise with it, basically holding it low and exercising biceps. Sometimes this irritates my back for a few hours. I've been thinking about getting a job at a tire store... Stronger than I ever was I think, my body has a sort of new and good shape. A couple weeks ago my PA said I looked like a new and better person than 3 years ago when I first sat at her desk. Have a good psychology, except around #Nevertrumpers... That prompted my Avatar I'll keep until elections.
Other stuff works almost too well, and I'm thankful! Highly motivated! See all my posts in the survival forum. Best of all ---I can accept responsibility for my dumassedness ---unlike one or two others here... Who may not see this unless somebuddy quotes it...
Everyone is different, but have you noticed any changes in blood pressure with your mix? Blood pressure has been good for my age, and roughly the same... Lipid panel is better than when I was younger and eating bad... |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:26:31 PM EDT
[Last Edit: EXPY37]
[#49]
Just checked and it's ~130 over mid 70's mm-Hg...
And this leads me to another suggestion... Those of you seriously taking control of your health may want to consider one of the most accurate and finest sphygmomanometer's still available--- Relatively inexpensively, and INHERENTLY accurate... Due to -gasp- gravity and physics... Available new and used on eBay and maybe elsewhere... And they have MERCURY in them
There is subtle info available from observing the reflection off the top of the mercury column... I far prefer these over electronic or mechanical gage instruments and have them where I am likely to take BP |
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Posted: 8/24/2016 3:27:11 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HappyCamel: I haven't seen B12 anywhere without a scrip. Seems like even the vet places require one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HappyCamel: Originally Posted By SWIRE: Originally Posted By 2tired2run: Originally Posted By PeteCO: Any of you guys do B12 injections, and if so, do you notice an increase in energy doing it? One of the local anti-aging/Low T/weight loss clinics is evangelizing it. The wife did them for a while and said they seemed to help a little but there was a lot of volume and they tended to leaves knots on her stomach for days. The injections shouldn't be expensive. A month's worth was $10 or $20. Depends what kind of B12 you get, where it comes from, and how much/how often it is used. There is a cheap form of B12, cyanocobalamin, that has to be broken down by the body before it can be used and a more expensive type, methylcobalamin, that can be directly metabolized by the body. Some of the cheap stuff is being imported as generics from China. You can get 30ml of cyanocobalamin for around $30 and 30ml of methylcobalamin for $150. I haven't seen B12 anywhere without a scrip. Seems like even the vet places require one. I didn't go through the ordering process, so maybe they require it. There are sites out there that do an "online assessment" and then write their own script that you fill at their online store. |
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