In the traditional sense no but go violate one and tell that to the judge.

executive order

In the past 5 years I've come to view the entire thing as a fucking lie.  The DOJ and its agencies don't have a near perfect conviction record because their work is top-tier and they are just steely-eyed detectives.  It's because it's all on their terms, on their turf and their rules.  If agent K says you lied in an interview, you lied.  Want video of what you said?  Fuck you.  You don't want to answer their question for 75th time?  Fuck you.  Agent K's precious notes say right here what you said, and that's that.  You don't have 3 million to cover court costs?  Fuck you.  You want records relating to the case?  Fuck you.  They want to audit you or dissolve your tax-exempt organization because of politics?  Fuck you, it's done.  Wanna fight it?  Got the 3 million???  No?   Fuck you some more.

It's the NKVD with better public relations and a few more hoops to jump through to persecute the dissidents.  Can't get many beatings in, but you can grin while you take everything some grandmother has because she walked through a building one day.  Shit you might even be able to get her into the 23hr lockdown cells.  Who needs the skinned knuckles?

Before or after being caught in the lie?

@goatboy we definitely need a sarcasm tag...

The problem is that he literally said on tape and corroborated by witnesses in the room that he did not declassify the allegedly classified document  while in office. He may have the ability to declassify in office but once out of office his ability to share classified material with 3rd parties is dubious.

Soooo... about those classified Hilary documents... and those classified Biden documents.

Republicans being held responsible while Democrats do the same things or worse with no consequences has been a thing since the 1960s. You would think the Republicans would decide to quit losing any day now.

Call it what it was ,  Biden STOLE the docs out of a SCIF .

Different players today , same game though , anybody notice that ?

Pretty sure I read an article today about 375,000 duplicate copies of ballots...

20,000 plus dead people attempting to register to vote in MO and MO Republicans (state, federal, and AG) not even being willing to look at it seems to say they don't care as long as their gravy keeps coming.

There are GOP state level folks ok with spending millions of tax dollars teaching children about anal sex because they don't want to miss out on the party invites they would not get if they actually called out their leftist cohorts.

There is a 38 page thread that has gone over this territory ad nauseum.  This thread is specifically highlighting that the "Special Prosecutor's Office", and by extension the DOJ/FBI, have lied before the court.  It is standard operating procedures that when prosecutors lie that their records are scrutinized and their cases are overturned.

From the OP:

"In a stunning admission, Special Counsel Jack Smith’s team is admitting that key evidence in former President Donald Trump’s classified documents criminal case was altered or manipulated since it was seized by the FBI, and that prosecutors misled the court about it for a period of time."


Do you know what "lack of standing in court" and "inadmissibility of evidence" means?  

The entire case is built on these documents, this isn't like a rape case and the prosecution failed to maintain control of the results from the rape kit.  They could still try the guy for rape but even if the DNA matched they can't use it in court.  This ENTIRE BS case is based on what is in the evidence if he did or didn't take classified documents that he "shouldn't have had" (which based him being POTUS is another reach of this BS circle jerk by his political opponents just to start with but not what this thread is about).

The burden of proof is on the DOJ to prove the documents were maintained and nothing was altered since the evidence was collected.  They didn't do that which means it legally shouldn't be used and which what is the DOJ going to do if they can't use anything Jack Smith supposedly has?  

DOJ...yes your honor, its is our determination he took classified documents he shouldn't have had.
Judge....proof of this
DOJ....we fucked up the chain of custody and all we can legally say is we think he is guilty as the proof is no longer valid

What do you think any reasonable judge is going to respond with?  The fact that Jack Smith even lied to the court for a period of time that the evidence was "clean" is another problem in itself.

This is clown world though so we will see what happens.

Since when? FBI and DOJ have lied numerous times with no consequence up to and including knowingly lying to judges to get warrants to violate the rights of people.

 
If you ever find yourself sobering up in a federal court, you won't be so flippant.

This is a trial balloon to see wha the can get away with.
Expect more and bigger lies in the near future

"Para meus amigos, tudo, para meus inimigos, a lei." Getulio Vargas

"For my friends, everything, for my enemies, the law."

from another thread....

Fact check is wrong!  Congress has zero authority over classification including the atomic weapons ones with regard to potus. The president has to follow laws just like every one else, but not laws that legislate powers delegated to him. Everyone in government has to follow those laws and protocols and sops except the potus.  Short of a constitutional amendment, those powers are vested in the executive. For the president ,and only the president, the “rules” are merely a suggestion. So yes, a president could decide that something is declassified and has no obligation to memorialize it or tell anyone. Of course it sounds silly but it’s the truth.  No information can be legally withheld from the president and nobody can dictate how the president uses that information.