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Posted: 3/1/2024 11:22:32 AM EDT
[Last Edit: LittlePony]
Been trying to get ahold of him for weeks about early tube frame construction for 1890s cars and he has been unresponsive.

The man is senior but still had plenty of years left.

I hope he is still with us.

If anyone knows please tell me.


He is still around woooo
Link Posted: 3/1/2024 11:23:15 AM EDT
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I swear I saw him post within the last week. Hopefully I'm not mistaken.
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He posted a few minutes ago in the airplane lands on road thread.
Link Posted: 3/1/2024 11:26:30 AM EDT
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Maybe he’s ducking you, OP.
Link Posted: 3/1/2024 11:32:57 AM EDT
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I’m around, just don’t log in much, arfcoms not into my type of cars much
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Originally Posted By Willmar:
Maybe he’s ducking you, OP.
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Anytime I see "ducking" I asusme it was an autocorrect.  
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I’m around, just don’t log in much, arfcoms not into my type of cars much
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Oh thank God.

Been dming you but I bet the messenger is bugged again due to me still having Hotmail linked

2 questions really.

Do you know any of the guys at the iowa city car museum? They probably have the largest collection of pre world war one automobiles  In the Midwest.... And I might be looking to jump ship, Unless it's purely a volunteer place.

And also for the case of such vehicles like the Benz Victoria that we're early tubesteel constructed. How the hell did they piece it all together? Brazing and rivets? History of early tube or square framed steel merky until you get to the 1920s
Link Posted: 3/1/2024 11:36:43 AM EDT
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THAT’S MIGHTY BOLD OF YOU OP



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Link Posted: 3/1/2024 11:37:39 AM EDT
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What do you want to know about 1890s tube frames op?, have worked on several and I would love to talk about them
Link Posted: 3/1/2024 11:41:19 AM EDT
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Tube frames were popular because they were easy for a small shop to build, basically plumbing, fittings generally cast or forged and brazed together, an interesting one is the Armstrong car that use the tub frame as the exhaust, I’ll dig up some pics of it in a minute
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Originally Posted By Stutzmech:
Tube frames were popular because they were easy for a small shop to build, basically plumbing, fittings generally cast or forged and brazed together, an interesting one is the Armstrong car that use the tub frame as the exhaust, I'll dig up some pics of it in a minute
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Anytime I see "ducking" I asusme it was an autocorrect.  
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Originally Posted By Willmar:
Maybe he’s ducking you, OP.


Anytime I see "ducking" I asusme it was an autocorrect.  


Actually a pretty fair assumption. Especially in GD.
Link Posted: 3/1/2024 11:45:53 AM EDT
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1896 Armstrong , only 1 built and first of what could be called first “hybrid” car, IC and batt, also first car I know of with an electric starter
ETA also electromagnetic clutch, solenoid operated intake valves, very interesting car
Link Posted: 3/1/2024 11:47:15 AM EDT
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I’m around, just don’t log in much, arfcoms not into my type of cars much
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Bruh we like all cars here.  Please post up what you have.
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https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0321-3145814.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0322-3145813.jpg
1896 Armstrong , only 1 built and first of what could be called first “hybrid” car, IC and batt, also first car I know of with an electric starter
ETA also electromagnetic clutch, solenoid operated intake valves, very interesting car
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How do the gears on the back work on that?
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Originally Posted By Stutzmech:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0321-3145814.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0322-3145813.jpg
1896 Armstrong , only 1 built and first of what could be called first "hybrid" car, IC and batt, also first car I know of with an electric starter
ETA also electromagnetic clutch, solenoid operated intake valves, very interesting car
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that's awesome!
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This kind of stuff is fantastic.  Most of us may not be actively involved with cars like this because they are rare, but I'd venture to say most people here would welcome conversation about these early vehicles.  I for one would read the threads...even though I wouldn't have much to contribute other than "that's cool man".
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Originally Posted By Stutzmech:
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0321-3145814.jpghttps://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0322-3145813.jpg
1896 Armstrong , only 1 built and first of what could be called first “hybrid” car, IC and batt, also first car I know of with an electric starter
ETA also electromagnetic clutch, solenoid operated intake valves, very interesting car
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Any close up pics of the braze? Just seems so fragile to do construction like this before welding but such cars only go 20mph at best most of the time anyhow.

Are you the current caretaker of the Armstrong? I have been familiar with the vehicle for a little while actually Being the nerd that I am.
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that's awesome!
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An interesting car built by one of the Armstrong brothers of “Armstrong “ tools out of Bridgeport ct., we got it running and fixed a lot of issues, went to auction and sold to someone in the Netherlands, sad to see it disappear into a museum
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Any close up pics of the braze? Just seems so fragile to do construction like this before welding but such cars only go 20mph at best most of the time anyhow.

Are you the current caretaker of the Armstrong? I have been familiar with the vehicle for a little while actually Being the nerd that I am.
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We had it for about a year, did a lot of work on it, scary to drive fast, the rear wheels would flex like crazy and we had to add some bracing on the hub
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We had it for about a year, did a lot of work on it, scary to drive fast, the rear wheels would flex like crazy and we had to add some bracing on the hub
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With those old cars 15 miles per hour feels like 60
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Seems like you've worked on quite a few blower cars
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Seems like you've worked on quite a few blower cars
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One of my specialties, worked on a lot of well known pre-war cars, and a lot of vintage race cars, love answering questions about them
Link Posted: 3/1/2024 12:44:30 PM EDT
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Absolutely fascinating threads.  Thank you!
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One of my specialties, worked on a lot of well known pre-war cars, and a lot of vintage race cars, love answering questions about them
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I wish I had the chance to restore old stuff all day.

Fixing modern cars is soul crushing in certain ways.

While modern car circuit boards degrade it into immobility, model Ts will still be roaming around.
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I wish I had the chance to restore old stuff all day.

Fixing modern cars is soul crushing in certain ways.

While modern car circuit boards degrade it into immobility, model Ts will still be roaming around.
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Electronics are great until they quit working and are much more difficult to repair or source the parts, on old cars almost everything was built to be taken apart and repaired or rebuilt easily with fairly primitive equipment and basic mechanical knowledge, yes new stuff runs faster and provides many things but as a mechanic it’s not near as fun to work on
Link Posted: 3/1/2024 1:21:04 PM EDT
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This is a thread started by LP that I can dig!
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Tagged for the great pics. My dad was an AACA member for years and use to take us to all of the shows as kids. You rarely see any pre world war 2 stuff running around any more let alone world war 1.
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Here’s a non IC thing that I did a lot of work on but I learned a lot of history and it turned out pretty good
1872 button & sons fire pumper, looked really sad when we started but turned out pretty cool, almost everything is original, paint, lettering, hose etc.
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Here’s some samples of a restorable chassis that are brought back all the time, 20s-30s rolls Royce’s shown
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Here’s some samples of a restorable chassis that are brought back all the time, 20s-30s rolls Royce’s shown
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All that craftsmanship just left to rot, at least it will be restored.
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All that craftsmanship just left to rot, at least it will be restored.
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Early rolls are some of the most difficult because of the complexity, zillion small parts that have to be taken apart and cleaned/restored, takes forever
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Originally Posted By BayEagle:
I just look at that like 'where the heck do you begin'.
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The antique aircraft guys know as well, very similar process goes into ww2 aircraft restoration
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Absolutely fascinating threads.  Thank you!
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Yes it is. I learn stuff here all the time.
Link Posted: 3/1/2024 1:56:28 PM EDT
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Common problem is you look at a part and have to decide is it easier to just make a new one or repair the existing part, anything is reparable if you put enough time/effort into it, I’ve seen some amazing repairs that you can’t tell it was repaired
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Some really great race cars in those pics, obviously Stutzmech should post more.
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Some really great race cars in those pics, obviously Stutzmech should post more.
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I posted a lot of threads years ago here, I still want to do threads here but sometimes the crowds not in the mood, lot of old guys here that have led interesting lives/story’s that probably would post if asked
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I was a cell tech with a guy in Minden NV who rebuilt the generators and starters for these types of cars.  Solid dude.
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Originally Posted By Stutzmech:
Here’s a non IC thing that I did a lot of work on but I learned a lot of history and it turned out pretty good
1872 button & sons fire pumper, looked really sad when we started but turned out pretty cool, almost everything is original, paint, lettering, hose etc.
https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/498772/IMG_0323-3145980.jpg
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Who did you have make the wheels? We have some Amish here that still make them
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I posted a lot of threads years ago here, I still want to do threads here but sometimes the crowds not in the mood, lot of old guys here that have led interesting lives/story’s that probably would post if asked
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I know it’s been some time but I assume you ran some of the dead horse hill races ?
Link Posted: 3/1/2024 4:37:14 PM EDT
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Since this is now a Stutzmech thread:

I'm looking to put together a cyclekart with my students.  Cyclekarts are basically a go-kart with motorcycle wheels and made to resemble prewar racecars.

Bentley 3 liters, Bugatti Type 35, Alfa P3's are typical but people do crazy things like Auto Union Type C's.

I'm looking for an inspiration car that will translate well and have body work that is appropriate to the basic skill level.


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