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Posted: 4/3/2024 7:06:24 PM EDT
Then there will be a lot of shock in the cave diving community. Plura cave diving fatality.
I just found out who the victim was about an hour and a half ago and now it’s out in the public view. I’m not naming names but if you cave dive then you know the family. 
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Posted: 4/3/2024 7:32:12 PM EDT
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Cave diving is not inherently dangerous, it is however, absolutely unforgiving of any error.
18Z50…..rather do one man CQB against a horde of coked up Chechen terrorists than cave dive. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 10:53:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 18B30: Cave diving is not inherently dangerous, it is however, absolutely unforgiving of any error. 18Z50…..rather do one man CQB against a horde of coked up Chechen terrorists than cave dive. Disagree. It is inherently dangerous and we take steps to mitigate the danger. Unfortunately, some very experienced divers succumb to the dangers, even when being responsible. |
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Posted: 4/3/2024 11:20:24 PM EDT
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I never gave it much thought, but I learned from MrBallen to never, ever go cave diving.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 7:46:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: NarcedDiver]
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I just got done seeing the pictures on his Facebook page from Easter. I’ve lost a lot of friends over the last two years to diving accidents. With him being so young, it hurts more.
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:52:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NarcedDiver: I just got done seeing the pictures on his Facebook page from Easter. I’ve lost a lot of friends over the last two years to diving accidents. With him being so young, it hurts more. I’ve met both him and his father several times whilst cave diving. I found out from a buddy of mine last night and he was sad over it as that was who his rebreather instructor was. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:56:35 AM EDT
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Condolences to family and friends.
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 9:35:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: NarcedDiver]
[#7]
Well it's officially out there. Dive Rite did a press release and Taylor just posted this on her FB page. I have know them both since I started diving. Hell my first rebreather I bought was one of Lamars old optimas. Rest easy Jared.
Today I wake up to the stark realization that yesterday’s nightmare is my new reality. Today will mark the first day in nearly 14 years that I will not talk to my beloved Jared Hires in some form. Today, the rest of my life looks completely different than I ever imagined. I can barely breathe as I try to put it down in words that MY husband passed away. While on a cave dive in Norway, doing what he loved, he was gone just like that. Jared was my very best friend, my everything. He was my biggest fan, my support, my constant. He provided me with two beautiful children whom he loved fiercely. He worked so hard to make sure we were happy and taken care of. We had so many dreams and plans of things we would conquer as a family. I am completely devastated knowing that he will miss out on all that is to come, but I pray I can show my kids even a glimpse of those plans and remind them everyday how much their sweet Daddy loved them. I still don’t know quite what to do, what to say, or how to feel but I want to extend thanks and gratitude to so many friends and family who have already shown us so much love in this trying time. Please be understanding as we continue to process and find our way through this. And please remember the good times, I know Jared would want it that way https://indepthmag.com/dive-rite-celebrates-40-years-of-innovation/ |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 9:59:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Marie]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerrwhy01: I’ve met both him and his father several times whilst cave diving. I found out from a buddy of mine last night and he was sad over it as that was who his rebreather instructor was. I met him when I was down in FL cave diving Christmas 2021. Really nice guy. I heard nothing but good things about him. Really sad b |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 10:01:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NarcedDiver: I just got done seeing the pictures on his Facebook page from Easter. I’ve lost a lot of friends over the last two years to diving accidents. With him being so young, it hurts more. I lost a friend who was solo diving at Cow January last year. The report was issued a few months ago. Very sad. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/4/2024 10:24:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marie: I lost a friend who was solo diving at Cow January last year. The report was issued a few months ago. Very sad. I read that one. Last I lost one of my buddies, Joe Citelli, last year too. It hasn't been a good couple years. We have lost some pretty high profile folks. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 3:13:40 PM EDT
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Was he diving alone? Anyone know if it was a medical emergency at depth?
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Posted: 4/4/2024 3:17:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By talontsi_95: Was he diving alone? Anyone know if it was a medical emergency at depth? Diving with a team. One of the articles I saw on SB said he was 100ft from the entrance and had a seizure underwater. Not sure how deep. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 6:32:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marie: Diving with a team. One of the articles I saw on SB said he was 100ft from the entrance and had a seizure underwater. Not sure how deep. I wonder what his mixture/PPO2 level was. Not saying it was OxTox it could have just as easily been a medical issue. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:34:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerrwhy01: I wonder what his mixture/PPO2 level was. Not saying it was OxTox it could have just as easily been a medical issue. I wondered the same thing and eventually we’ll know more (I think). I hate that these tragedies happen, but I do want to learn from them to get better and to be reminded of how serious I need to take my diving. Took my daughter into her first wreck dive last week and was very attentive to how she did even with relatively easy passageways. |
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Posted: 4/4/2024 8:37:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerrwhy01: I wonder what his mixture/PPO2 level was. Not saying it was OxTox it could have just as easily been a medical issue. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerrwhy01: Originally Posted By Marie: Diving with a team. One of the articles I saw on SB said he was 100ft from the entrance and had a seizure underwater. Not sure how deep. I wonder what his mixture/PPO2 level was. Not saying it was OxTox it could have just as easily been a medical issue. He was not 100ft from the entrance. 820ft. Here’s an article with an info from a member of the team. https://www.deeperblue.com/tech-diver-jared-hires-dies-in-diving-accident/ I’m seeing numerous mentions of a medical incident. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/5/2024 8:22:24 AM EDT
[Last Edit: NarcedDiver]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marie: He was not 100ft from the entrance. 820ft. Here’s an article with an info from a member of the team. https://www.deeperblue.com/tech-diver-jared-hires-dies-in-diving-accident/ I’m seeing numerous mentions of a medical incident. I am 100% speaking out of my ass here, but every single high profile death is always stated as a medical incident. It's been this way since I have been diving. If you are a big name, you always get a "clean" death. EDIT: I stand by what I said, but that doesn't have anything to do with Jared at this point. I don't know how him being out of the country will affect things overall. I know body transport is fairly straight forward, but if/when an autopsy will be performed; where and who performs it. I am not familiar with that side of things. His equipment will shine the light on any common dive related issues. Jared was young and had lost a lot of weight over the last couple years. He was in great physical shape, but underlying medical issues are just that, underlying. With all the heart issues seemingly popping up from the shot, who the hell knows. |
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Posted: 4/5/2024 8:47:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NarcedDiver: I am 100% speaking out of my ass here, but every single high profile death is always stated as a medical incident. It's been this way since I have been diving. If you are a big name, you always get a "clean" death. EDIT: I stand by what I said, but that doesn't have anything to do with Jared at this point. I don't know how him being out of the country will affect things overall. I know body transport is fairly straight forward, but if/when an autopsy will be performed; where and who performs it. I am not familiar with that side of things. His equipment will shine the light on any common dive related issues. Jared was young and had lost a lot of weight over the last couple years. He was in great physical shape, but underlying medical issues are just that, underlying. With all the heart issues seemingly popping up from the shot, who the hell knows. Sheck Exley was a big death and I don’t ever recall anyone saying his was medical. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/5/2024 8:54:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marie: Sheck Exley was a big death and I don’t ever recall anyone saying his was medical. There are always exceptions... Sheck died 1000' deep in a hole in the ground. His dive and recovery were extremely well documented. Dave Shaw is another one. That video still haunts me. |
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Posted: 4/5/2024 10:42:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marie: Sheck Exley was a big death and I don’t ever recall anyone saying his was medical. Wow thats an interesting story. I just read a long blog on it. I have never heard of HPNS before. What was the max depth Hires would have achieved if he made it to this “chamber”? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/5/2024 11:04:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By talontsi_95: Wow thats an interesting story. I just read a long blog on it. I have never heard of HPNS before. What was the max depth Hires would have achieved if he made it to this “chamber”? Plura has a max depth over 400'. It's pretty damn deep. |
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Posted: 4/5/2024 11:04:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CoyoteGray: I never gave it much thought, but I learned from MrBallen to never, ever go cave diving. People think I'm crazy for squirming through small passages in caves. Nope...I'm not crazy. Cave divers are crazy. |
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Posted: 4/5/2024 11:14:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VACaver: People think I'm crazy for squirming through small passages in caves. Nope...I'm not crazy. Cave divers are crazy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VACaver: Originally Posted By CoyoteGray: I never gave it much thought, but I learned from MrBallen to never, ever go cave diving. People think I'm crazy for squirming through small passages in caves. Nope...I'm not crazy. Cave divers are crazy. I don’t like squeezy shit. Plenty of caves with huge rooms. Those are the ones I like. I don’t like small ones. A little bit is OK that still gives me room to move. |
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Posted: 4/5/2024 1:40:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NarcedDiver: There are always exceptions... Sheck died 1000' deep in a hole in the ground. His dive and recovery were extremely well documented. Dave Shaw is another one. That video still haunts me. I shouldnt have watched that video. I watched a YouTube documentary on it and they pretty much showed till the end. Absolutely terrifying. |
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Posted: 4/5/2024 3:14:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By talontsi_95: Wow thats an interesting story. I just read a long blog on it. I have never heard of HPNS before. What was the max depth Hires would have achieved if he made it to this “chamber”? HPNS really starts at around the 500ft mark and deeper. It depends mainly on the amount of helium the diver has in their mix and their rate of descent. It’s not much of an issue in the recreational/tech world as few go that deep. |
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Posted: 4/5/2024 6:54:29 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerrwhy01: HPNS really starts at around the 500ft mark and deeper. It depends mainly on the amount of helium the diver has in their mix and their rate of descent. It’s not much of an issue in the recreational/tech world as few go that deep. Yeah Im a rec diver so it makes sense that Im not familiar with it. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:43:04 PM EDT
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DAN has released a prelim accident report. This was medical. Seizure. Jared apparently had one last year out of the blue and there is apparently a rare family history of them.
https://dan.org/safety-prevention/diver-safety/divers-blog/preliminary-accident-analysis/ |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:47:33 PM EDT
[#27]
Underwater vaxxident?
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Posted: 4/10/2024 12:48:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Supperman: Underwater vaxxident? Don’t be a retard. Did you read the link? There’s a family history of seizures. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 4/10/2024 4:21:09 PM EDT
[Last Edit: giantpune]
[#29]
ETA - already posted.
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Posted: 4/10/2024 5:17:40 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Marie: DAN has released a prelim accident report. This was medical. Seizure. Jared apparently had one last year out of the blue and there is apparently a rare family history of them. https://dan.org/safety-prevention/diver-safety/divers-blog/preliminary-accident-analysis/ That’s a lot to unpack and not everything that is going thru my head right now is pleasant. I haven’t been cave diving or diving in general for a few years because I was having some medical issues that was affecting my ability to dive. In the interest of protecting my dive buddies I got out of the water to figure out the issue and try to resolve it. That’s all I have to say on the matter. |
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Posted: 4/10/2024 5:36:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerrwhy01: That’s a lot to unpack and not everything that is going thru my head right now is pleasant. I haven’t been cave diving or diving in general for a few years because I was having some medical issues that was affecting my ability to dive. In the interest of protecting my dive buddies I got out of the water to figure out the issue and try to resolve it. That’s all I have to say on the matter. I’ll agree with the direction your post implied. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 4/11/2024 11:09:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jerrwhy01: That’s a lot to unpack and not everything that is going thru my head right now is pleasant. I haven’t been cave diving or diving in general for a few years because I was having some medical issues that was affecting my ability to dive. In the interest of protecting my dive buddies I got out of the water to figure out the issue and try to resolve it. That’s all I have to say on the matter. If we take the divers identify out of the equation, answering truthfully on the medical questionnaire with any major training agency would have disqualified him for diving. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 12:44:46 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Marie]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NarcedDiver: If we take the divers identify out of the equation, answering truthfully on the medical questionnaire with any major training agency would have disqualified him for diving. Exactly and he was an instructor, as well. And you can be sure that your comment will not be tolerated to be mentioned online. There are some twats going on in comments on the Dive Talk FB group, telling people no speculation, etc, even after this report has come out. Idiots. |
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Posted: 4/11/2024 1:52:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By NarcedDiver: If we take the divers identify out of the equation, answering truthfully on the medical questionnaire with any major training agency would have disqualified him for diving. If it was just him that was affected I wouldn’t be upset. He’s an adult and free to roll the dice however, when you’re part of a dive team then it becomes a different issue as they’re now affected by this decision as well. Rescues are extremely difficult in open water, they’re a lot harder in a cave system. I don’t know if he was under medical treatment for this or was he simply keeping quiet about it and hoping for it not to hit him when diving. That’s a matter for the family. |
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AR, USA
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Posted: 4/14/2024 8:33:32 AM EDT
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The previous history of seizures doesn't check out as the cause of this.
Jared closed his loop and was trying to get to his bail out. That means he saw it coming. According to stated med history, he'd had ONE previous seizure. One previous seizure does not give someone the experience to feel it coming, especially while mainintaining the cognitive ability to assess the problem, consider that he needs to go to OC and try to do so. That means a tiny bit slower onset causing him to suspect bad gas, or he saw something on his rig and was trying to prepare for it. I've witnessed far too many seizures in far too many people to believe this narrative. |
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