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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:51:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By iggy1337: As far as I know it's a mandatory but switchable option. Mrs iggy1337 has it now on her adaptive cruise control. You can basically set the system to follow but within the detected speed limit. As ETSC recommended, it is. Like Stop/Start, as currently configured, it's defeatable, but each start it's slated to be default on in EU. As with Stop/Start I'm sure there will be means to defeat permanently by simple modification. Also like Stop/Start I imagine there will be increasing utilization, and increasingly difficult to defeat.  Attached FileI've driven BMWs using the LIM button quite a bit. It's not onerous when on, tho it is an active system (it soft governs speed). It's kinda funny when peeps inadvertently engage (and asinine when you do that  ) But tho I'm not a nanny reactionary (Don't touch the PSM bro) - I'm not a fan of ISA.First these systems tend to get the limits wrong - a small percentage and mostly off main route, but it's annoying. It also often misses temporary changes so you still need to be aware (not that, in my experience, most peeps in the States follow construction or safety reductions ), Plus it can can fail, tho normally it won't impact like AEB. Which is a shit show when malf'd - as owners of '23 Blazer and Canyorados, Nissan a few years ago and recent Hondas (surprised no recall yet) can attest. GM lost 3-4 months of '24 sales due to system malf's, tho not solely AEB. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:53:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: Nope. Tickets are big business. No, they're not. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:57:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: Eventually, OBD2 retrofit devices will be mandated for all the government regulation. No OBD2 retrofit device, no operating your car. After a couple years of that, I can say it will be likely there will be a "cash for clunkers" with a stipend for turning in old cars to be crushed. A short time later, any car caught on the road without government devices will be confiscated and crushed. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: Originally Posted By OscarD: Starting next model year we get mandatory DUI detection equipment in vehicles. It’s not like we’re really any better off. I’m just going to keep my “old 2018” and pass on the electronic nanny BS. Eventually, OBD2 retrofit devices will be mandated for all the government regulation. No OBD2 retrofit device, no operating your car. After a couple years of that, I can say it will be likely there will be a "cash for clunkers" with a stipend for turning in old cars to be crushed. A short time later, any car caught on the road without government devices will be confiscated and crushed. There will always be a workaround. I’ve managed to defeat every piece of nanny tech my former employer used in their vehicles. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 8:58:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: As ETSC recommended, it is. Like Stop/Start, as currently configured, it's defeatable, but each start it's slated to be default on in EU. As with Stop/Start I'm sure there will be means to defeat permanently by simple modification. Also like Stop/Start I imagine there will be increasing utilization, and increasingly difficult to defeat. I've driven BMWs with the LIM button. It's not onerous when on, tho it is an active system (it soft governs speed). But tho I'm not a nanny reactionary (Don't touch the PSM bro) - I'm not a fan. First these systems tend to get the limits wrong - a small and mostly off main route, but it's annoying. It also often misses temporary changes so you still need to be aware (not that, in my experience, most peeps in the States follow construction or safety reductions ), Plus it can can fail, tho normally it won't impact like AEB. Which is a shit show when malf'd - as owners of '23 Blazer and Canyorados, Nissan a few years ago and recent Hondas (surprised no recall yet) can attest. GM lost 3-4 months of '24 sales due to system malf's, tho not solely AEB.I permanently disabled start/stop in my 2018 F-150 with free software and a $20 OBD2 cable from Amazon. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:09:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: I permanently disabled start/stop in my 2018 F-150 with free software and a $20 OBD2 cable from Amazon. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: Originally Posted By Alacrity: As ETSC recommended, it is. Like Stop/Start, as currently configured, it's defeatable, but each start it's slated to be default on in EU. As with Stop/Start I'm sure there will be means to defeat permanently by simple modification. Also like Stop/Start I imagine there will be increasing utilization, and increasingly difficult to defeat. I've driven BMWs with the LIM button. It's not onerous when on, tho it is an active system (it soft governs speed). But tho I'm not a nanny reactionary (Don't touch the PSM bro) - I'm not a fan. First these systems tend to get the limits wrong - a small and mostly off main route, but it's annoying. It also often misses temporary changes so you still need to be aware (not that, in my experience, most peeps in the States follow construction or safety reductions ), Plus it can can fail, tho normally it won't impact like AEB. Which is a shit show when malf'd - as owners of '23 Blazer and Canyorados, Nissan a few years ago and recent Hondas (surprised no recall yet) can attest. GM lost 3-4 months of '24 sales due to system malf's, tho not solely AEB.I permanently disabled start/stop in my 2018 F-150 with free software and a $20 OBD2 cable from Amazon. It's still relatively easily done in many, including oddly enough circa 2020 Caymen GT4 (which also has cylinder deactivation  ).Did you avoid or disable your AEB? (Ford's marketing term is Pre-Collision Assist). In '18 prolly trim dependent. |
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IN, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:10:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CarlosC: My car has the speed limit sign reading technology now, but it falsely alerts me when I pass a school zone with a reduced speed during non-school hours. It thinks the speed drops to 20mph all the time. I wonder how they'll combat this. My truck reads speed limit signs with a camera and displays on the dash - it says the speed limit is 70 in the school zone I commute through daily. It’s 40mph on the off hours and 25 during school. |
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ON, CAN
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:15:26 AM EDT
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Can't wait to try and accelerate away from an accident and then having the car put the brakes on as I get killed by a semi driving right through me.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:19:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: There will always be a workaround. I’ve managed to defeat every piece of nanny tech my former employer used in their vehicles. Absolutely there will be. And the punishment when you get caught will be draconian. 100-1, this tech will also come with mandatory inspections and testing. AI will be used to process data and if it sees you own cars but aren't posting data to the network, you will get flagged. I hate this shit with a passion, but the window to avoid it is closing and while there will be ways to try circumventing it, the methods to counter the government control won't last long. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:21:58 AM EDT
[Last Edit: phatmax]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Paraflare: Can't wait to try and accelerate away from an accident and then having the car put the brakes on as I get killed by a semi driving right through me. You are in Canada. Your car was already self-driving you to your MAID appointment..... But you are right. When the car decides what you are doing it wrong and prevents it, it will come with "unintended" consequences. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:23:14 AM EDT
[#10]
Yes. Europe sucks.
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USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:26:03 AM EDT
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The beeping is a thing in Kuwait. Its obnoxious.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:28:11 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lmeadows00: It’s already here, commercial trucking companies are restricting speed. Just a matter of time until it’s on all vehicles. Commercial trucking company? Their trucks, their rules. Government mandate? No. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:28:18 AM EDT
[Last Edit: snubfan]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By resuscitati: Coming to the USA soon. You can bet on it. Add CBDC and AI to the mix: - Deducts speeding fine from your account immediately. - Reports speeding incident to insurance company immediately for premium adjustments. - Reports other driving infractions to the insurance company as well. - Determines if you are driving too many miles per week above & beyond travel to work, and throttles use of vehicle. - Real-time deduction of points from your social credit score (with corresponding loss of privileges). - Monitors/approves all purchases so that a proper, safe & equitable society is maintained. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:32:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By resuscitati: Coming to the USA soon. You can bet on it. Guaranteed. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:33:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: _DR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By lmeadows00: It’s already here, commercial trucking companies are restricting speed. Just a matter of time until it’s on all vehicles. All our vehicles had speed governors when I was in the .mil. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:36:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: All our vehicles has speed governors when I was in the .mil. .gov owned sedans for driving around? I can't think of anything combat related that wouldn't be aerodynamically limited except when dropped from an aircraft 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:40:21 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Alacrity]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: Absolutely there will be. And the punishment when you get caught will be draconian. 100-1, this tech will also come with mandatory inspections and testing. AI will be used to process data and if it sees you own cars but aren't posting data to the network, you will get flagged. I hate this shit with a passion, but the window to avoid it is closing and while there will be ways to try circumventing it, the methods to counter the government control won't last long. NTSB reco's last fall was couched in the form of 'driver warnings', not active systems (except for development of a habitual speeder maximum speed Interlock like drink drivers BAC interlocks). But yes I feel ya bro, ever encroaching. This doesn't happen in a vacuum. The report and recommendation stemmed from a high profile Las Vegas case where vehicle blew a red light at 100+ mph, damaging 5 other cars, killing 9 occupants, including 7 from one family. Others were permanently disabled. So as with other crisis cascading, when you have these incidents, officials action becomes likely and encouraged by families (understandable), insurance cos, "safety advocates", etc. The one element suggested, requiring States to develop serious consequences to recidivist speeders, also requires active enforcement, which has gone in the shitter over the last decade. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:45:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scott-S6: Works great until it doesn't, like when a sign is obscured by a semi or a bus. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scott-S6: Originally Posted By Mike327: I wonder how good the speed limit sign parsing is going to be. Works great until it doesn't, like when a sign is obscured by a semi or a bus. 3's are easy to change into 8's. 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:46:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: .gov owned sedans for driving around? I can't think of anything combat related that wouldn't be aerodynamically limited except when dropped from an aircraft Never drove sedans lol ..talking about Deuces and 5 tons. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:49:30 AM EDT
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And if your car can't go over 70 mph anyway, you don't need more then 100 hp in your electric car.
This is the goal. 100 hp electric car with a 60 mile range that recharges in 5 minutes. I just wonder if any of guys not having their f250 payments anymore they will have time to save their children's birthrite |
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USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:52:45 AM EDT
[#21]
Incremental subservience, followed by the addition of punishment & loss of privileges. |
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USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:53:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Ambridge77: Originally Posted By resuscitati: Coming to the USA soon. You can bet on it. Originally Posted By NEShooter53: The assholes here will take it a step farther and send you a ticket for speeding for the speed before the car slows down. Then how will the state fleece and control you? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 9:55:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: Nope. Tickets are big business. Your car will notify the local cops when you exceed the speed limit. The fine will be automatically deducted from your bank account. Revenues from speeding tickets will increase. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:12:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BB: Also in before car software jailbreaks and open source car OS/systems management software Never gonna happen. You would have to rewire the entire vehicle. There are dozens of modules (computers) that communicate over a common CANBUS data line. While there are standards for communication protocol, you still have to program what to say and possibly encryption. There is already open source automotive engine computers, and commercially made kits as well, but they don't pretend to communicate with all the other modules. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:13:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By madmathew: How does this work? Do you honestly think the tech isn’t already available to know who owns what car and where they live? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:15:39 AM EDT
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Freedom is going away quickly.
Pun intended! |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:24:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarzanT: Commercial trucking company? Their trucks, their rules. Government mandate? No. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TarzanT: Originally Posted By lmeadows00: It’s already here, commercial trucking companies are restricting speed. Just a matter of time until it’s on all vehicles. Commercial trucking company? Their trucks, their rules. Government mandate? No. Sure they can. Who's to stop them? |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 10:25:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyMattel: Sure they can. Who's to stop them? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MattyMattel: Originally Posted By TarzanT: Originally Posted By lmeadows00: It’s already here, commercial trucking companies are restricting speed. Just a matter of time until it’s on all vehicles. Commercial trucking company? Their trucks, their rules. Government mandate? No. Sure they can. Who's to stop them? They won't be laws, at least initially. It will all be regulation from unelected agencies. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:11:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: The speed limit on a road here was raised from 45 to 55 two years ago. Waze still shows the speed limit as 45. In the OP: ISA technology uses a camera on the front of the vehicle that can read speed limit signs. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 12:13:10 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Scott-S6]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sprtpilot: You were the one reminding the teacher she forgot to assign homework, right? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By sprtpilot: Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Passing doesn't allow you to break the speed limit, you can still get a ticket for that. But yes. What could go wrong? You were the one reminding the teacher she forgot to assign homework, right? Just pointing out that of course these systems do not have an exception for passing and why. And that it's a bad idea. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:01:00 PM EDT
[Last Edit: spmx7777]
[#31]
Great idea!
 There was a recent news story about some prankster causing "smart cars" to slow down by wearing such shirts. 
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:01:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scott-S6: Just pointing out that of course these systems do not have an exception for passing and why. And that it's a bad idea. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Scott-S6: Originally Posted By sprtpilot: Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Passing doesn't allow you to break the speed limit, you can still get a ticket for that. But yes. What could go wrong? You were the one reminding the teacher she forgot to assign homework, right? Just pointing out that of course these systems do not have an exception for passing and why. And that it's a bad idea. Or emergencies. I can remember doing 100+ MPH on an empty 4 lane highway on the way to the hospital because my pregnant wife had complications. A bad one. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:06:32 PM EDT
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I drive a Volvo 745. It doesn't slow you down if you're speeding, but it starts to shake and make weird sounds at around 160.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:09:48 PM EDT
[#34]
One day you will have a full self driving car with facial recognition. It will jist take people straight to jail that are wanted.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:18:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhereg: Or emergencies. I can remember doing 100+ MPH on an empty 4 lane highway on the way to the hospital because my pregnant wife had complications. A bad one. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By jhereg: Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Originally Posted By sprtpilot: Originally Posted By Scott-S6: Passing doesn't allow you to break the speed limit, you can still get a ticket for that. But yes. What could go wrong? You were the one reminding the teacher she forgot to assign homework, right? Just pointing out that of course these systems do not have an exception for passing and why. And that it's a bad idea. Or emergencies. I can remember doing 100+ MPH on an empty 4 lane highway on the way to the hospital because my pregnant wife had complications. A bad one. A perfectly reasonable thing where safe to do so but computer says no. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:28:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By resuscitati: Coming to the USA soon. You can bet on it. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:31:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By swede1986: I drive a Volvo 745. It doesn't slow you down if you're speeding, but it starts to shake and make weird sounds at around 160. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 1:52:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: Eventually, OBD2 retrofit devices will be mandated for all the government regulation. No OBD2 retrofit device, no operating your car. After a couple years of that, I can say it will be likely there will be a "cash for clunkers" with a stipend for turning in old cars to be crushed. A short time later, any car caught on the road without government devices will be confiscated and crushed. destroy cars that ALREADY need to be seized/destroyed, let alone the millions of preban cars such a law would create. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 2:08:36 PM EDT
[Last Edit: phatmax]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadtired: Never gonna happen. Most localities (especially small rural places) don't have the funding or manpower to seize/impound destroy cars that ALREADY need to be seized/destroyed, let alone the millions of preban cars such a law would create. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadtired: Originally Posted By phatmax: Eventually, OBD2 retrofit devices will be mandated for all the government regulation. No OBD2 retrofit device, no operating your car. After a couple years of that, I can say it will be likely there will be a "cash for clunkers" with a stipend for turning in old cars to be crushed. A short time later, any car caught on the road without government devices will be confiscated and crushed. destroy cars that ALREADY need to be seized/destroyed, let alone the millions of preban cars such a law would create. Sorry, I wasn't clear. My timeframe for all the above encompasses several years. And Fed Gov will subsidize the whole process like they did cash for clunkers and then they will provide localities with financial support for car crushing. But the last part won't be all that expensive. Preban cars will be legal, just undriveable on public roads. No tags, no insurance other than property insurance. They won't go after collections, just road usage of "unsafe" cars. ETA: I bet money they will also involve insurance companies for subsidies, bonuses, whatever, in a fantastic symbiotic corporatist team up. Kinda like Covid vax, government and Pfizer/Moderna, etc. When the .gov wants to push an agenda, nothing will stop them. They can print money and ignore the Constitution. They have corporate and media support. "Can't" isn't in their lexicon. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 2:14:15 PM EDT
[#40]
What happens when teenagers vandalize speed limit signs and change them to a higher limit?
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Posted: 4/29/2024 2:19:54 PM EDT
[#41]
At point are you buying a vehicle you proudly own to when it is a heavily regulated appliance that is a privilege you get into.
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Posted: 4/29/2024 2:24:25 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By phatmax: Sorry, I wasn't clear. My timeframe for all the above encompasses several years. And Fed Gov will subsidize the whole process like they did cash for clunkers and then they will provide localities with financial support for car crushing. But the last part won't be all that expensive. Preban cars will be legal, just undriveable on public roads. No tags, no insurance other than property insurance. They won't go after collections, just road usage of "unsafe" cars. All such a law would do is increase the size of the grey area that poors, illegals and people who've stopped giving a fuck operate in on a daily basis. People with no DL or insurance or registration driving a shitbox they bought yesterday for a stolen circular saw and some meth. As long as the "unsafe" cars (and their drivers) are more of a pain in ass to deal with than to simply ignore, they will continue to exist on public roads. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 2:33:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadtired: They will, though, and most place aren't going to be bothered to seize them. All such a law would do is increase the size of the grey area that poors, illegals and people who've stopped giving a fuck operate in on a daily basis. People with no DL or insurance or registration driving a shitbox they bought yesterday for a stolen circular saw and some meth. As long as the "unsafe" cars (and their drivers) are more of a pain in ass to deal with than to simply ignore, they will continue to exist on public roads. Unbelievable that you really believe the fedgov won't do it. Look at how they go after Jan6 people. When they don't want citizens to do this that or the other they will accomplish it. It might take a decade, but they want personal vehicles and the freedom to travel essentially eliminated. They will do it and it won't be overlooked. Eventually the appearance of any car of X age or Y type will be immediately responded to and punished. If you live in bumfuck and no one sees you driving it is a lot different than anywhere east of the Mississippi or west of the Rockies. There will probably even be eco or safety bounties rewarding people that turn in "violators". |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 2:35:04 PM EDT
[#44]
So will there be a "Emergancy! Gotta get to the hospital!" Overdride button?
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:14:03 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WoodHeat: Give it a few years and they will be raising taxes to make up for the lost ticket revenue. What happens when passing? Half way through it slows you down? That’s why it’s only 20% effective at reducing deaths . If the system had a passing override button then it would be more effective at reducing deaths . |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:18:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Admiral_Crunch: The speed limit on a road here was raised from 45 to 55 two years ago. Waze still shows the speed limit as 45. You can notify Waze via the app of an inaccuracy and they will look into it . |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:22:22 PM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RIP-Yataski: The government is wise. The government knows what is best... ...for you  |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:23:59 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ske714: Nope. Tickets are big business. Insurance premiums/risk reduction are bigger business. |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:28:57 PM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Alacrity: It's still relatively easily done in many, including oddly enough circa 2020 Caymen GT4 (which also has cylinder deactivation ).Did you avoid or disable your AEB? (Ford's marketing term is Pre-Collision Assist). In '18 prolly trim dependent. Your cayman has startstop. Not cylinder deactivation. Porsche does not use cylinder deactivation |
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Posted: 4/29/2024 4:30:00 PM EDT
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"Nobody needs a vehicle than can go faster than 100kph
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