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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:52:58 PM EDT
 A judge in Canada has cleared the way for a 27-year-old autistic woman to be euthanized despite objections from her dad, who says she's 'healthy' — just 'vulnerable' due to her mental health problems. In his ruling, Justice Colin Feasby acknowledged that the doctor-assisted death would cause the father 'profound grief,' but said the young woman's right to end her own life trumped his feelings. A publication ban protects the identities of the dad, the daughter, and her doctors. The father is referred to as WV, and she as MV. 'MV's dignity and right to self-determination outweighs the important matters raised by WV and the harm that he will suffer in losing MV,' Feasby wrote in his 34-page ruling, which was issued this week. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13244691/Alberta-judge-greenlights-euthanasia-autistic-woman-DESPITE-objection-dad.html |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:56:13 PM EDT
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*EXTREMELY* torn on this! on one hand, I can see how someone might realize that they are truly fucked on having any form of normal life... on the other, the anguish of knowing that you are going to lose a loved one, regardless of how screwed they might be.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:56:17 PM EDT
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Insanity
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:01:38 PM EDT
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It’s almost like the government is encouraging people to opt out of life. That free healthcare sure is awesome.
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:02:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By HighlandMac: It’s almost like the government is encouraging people to opt out of life. That free healthcare sure is awesome. Its a necessary component of free healthcare. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:04:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kiju: *EXTREMELY* torn on this! on one hand, I can see how someone might realize that they are truly fucked on having any form of normal life... on the other, the anguish of knowing that you are going to lose a loved one, regardless of how screwed they might be. I disagree. If they can recognize thier condition enough to want to kill themselves they are more high functioning than they think and are in a no different position than a "normal" person in a depressed state. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:04:47 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FireMissionDivision]
[#6]
Title is wrong. The judge didn't make any judgement on what justifies the woman's suicide. Canadian law says you can get assisted-dying if you go through the certification process, which this woman had already done successfully. There is no legal mechanism for reviewing that certification (the judge was critical of this fact, suggesting it's an oversight in the system), so the judge had no option to rule that her reasons for assisted dying were insufficient. All he had to decide was whether a father could prevent his adult daughter from doing what she is otherwise legally entitled to do on the basis that he would be personally harmed in the form of grief. Judge said no.
We don't even know what the reasons were that she gave in the assisted dying certification process; we just know that she happens to have autism and ADHD and the father claims she doesn't have any other health conditions. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:06:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kiju: *EXTREMELY* torn on this! on one hand, I can see how someone might realize that they are truly fucked on having any form of normal life... on the other, the anguish of knowing that you are going to lose a loved one, regardless of how screwed they might be. Thing is, no one considers that all of us have our challenges and "tests" on this planet where maybe our "test" and challenge is how we aid the less fortunate (this autistic woman) to be part of our society - not to kill it cuz it's gonna be an inconvenience. Evil, just pure evil out there.... |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:11:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StraightShootinGal: Thing is, no one considers that all of us have our challenges and "tests" on this planet where maybe our "test" and challenge is how we aid the less fortunate (this autistic woman) to be part of our society - not to kill it cuz it's gonna be an inconvenience. Evil, just pure evil out there.... I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:15:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Inneedofhelp: I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. The right government agent psychologist could easily talk these folks into this... |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:16:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Inneedofhelp: I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Inneedofhelp: Originally Posted By StraightShootinGal: Thing is, no one considers that all of us have our challenges and "tests" on this planet where maybe our "test" and challenge is how we aid the less fortunate (this autistic woman) to be part of our society - not to kill it cuz it's gonna be an inconvenience. Evil, just pure evil out there.... I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. Sir, you’re in GD. One of the very few things our membership is well qualified to speak to is autism. That and CPAPs. |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:17:24 PM EDT
[#11]
She is of no value to The State.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:18:19 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By greyninja: A judge in Canada has cleared the way for a 27-year-old autistic woman to be euthanized despite objections from her dad, who says she's 'healthy' just 'vulnerable' due to her mental health problems. In his ruling, Justice Colin Feasby acknowledged that the doctor-assisted death would cause the father 'profound grief,' but said the young woman's right to end her own life trumped his feelings. A publication ban protects the identities of the dad, the daughter, and her doctors. The father is referred to as WV, and she as MV. 'MV's dignity and right to self-determination outweighs the important matters raised by WV and the harm that he will suffer in losing MV,' Feasby wrote in his 34-page ruling, which was issued this week. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-13244691/Alberta-judge-greenlights-euthanasia-autistic-woman-DESPITE-objection-dad.html |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:23:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: Its a necessary component of free healthcare. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By xd675: Originally Posted By HighlandMac: It's almost like the government is encouraging people to opt out of life. That free healthcare sure is awesome. Its a necessary component of free healthcare. |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:29:10 PM EDT
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I can't judge someone else because I can't live in their head. I can however judge someone that leads a vulnerable person down the wrong path.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:33:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Explorer225: I can't judge someone else because I can't live in their head. I can however judge someone that leads a vulnerable person down the wrong path. Profound |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:34:31 PM EDT
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As the father of an autistic child, I cannot comment on what I would do to that doctor and judge
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:35:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tony7189: Insanity |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:36:25 PM EDT
[#18]
Nazi Germany Eugenics adopted by globalists.
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:46:23 PM EDT
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Canada wants everyone dead so healthcare can be cheap.
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:47:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphajaguars: As the father of an autistic child, I cannot comment on what I would do to that doctor and judge For what? Supporting the decision of the daughter in question? |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:55:49 PM EDT
[#21]
Her life, her rules?
If she ate a bullet or some pills, nobody here would know of it. Only because it’s assisted is it even here. I disagree with her choice but it’s her choice to make. I feel absolutely heartbroken for her father though. I hope he can make some inroads before it goes much further |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:02:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blind_Squirrel: Her life, her rules? If she ate a bullet or some pills, nobody here would know of it. Only because it’s assisted is it even here. I disagree with her choice but it’s her choice to make. I feel absolutely heartbroken for her father though. I hope he can make some inroads before it goes much further If she ate a bullet, Canada would arrest her father for allowing access to the gun. |
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FM, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:06:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blind_Squirrel: Her life, her rules? If she ate a bullet or some pills, nobody here would know of it. Only because it’s assisted is it even here. I disagree with her choice but it’s her choice to make. I feel absolutely heartbroken for her father though. I hope he can make some inroads before it goes much further You can't kill yourself. That's illegal. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:06:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riter: Nazi Germany Eugenics adopted by globalists. THIS ^^ Evil people wanting "perfection" |
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WV, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:09:09 PM EDT
[#25]
Eugenics with a new name
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:09:29 PM EDT
[Last Edit: StraightShootinGal]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Inneedofhelp: I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Inneedofhelp: Originally Posted By StraightShootinGal: Thing is, no one considers that all of us have our challenges and "tests" on this planet where maybe our "test" and challenge is how we aid the less fortunate (this autistic woman) to be part of our society - not to kill it cuz it's gonna be an inconvenience. Evil, just pure evil out there.... I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. Helen Keller was def/blind - yet, she found a way to exist without blowing her brains out....back in a time when we didn't have the technology, medicine, etc. we have now. I get it, unless you're in someone's shoes you can't know what's going on with them - but this is freakin' 2024. While modern medicine can't save everyone, I don't believe so casually throwing suicide as a resolution to everything. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:18:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StraightShootinGal: Helen Keller was def/blind - yet, she found a way to exist without blowing her brains out....back in a time when we didn't have the technology, medicine, etc. we have now. I get it, unless you're in someone's shoes you can't know what's going on with them - but this is freakin' 2024. While modern medicine can't save everyone, I don't believe so casually throwing suicide as a resolution to everything. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StraightShootinGal: Originally Posted By Inneedofhelp: Originally Posted By StraightShootinGal: Thing is, no one considers that all of us have our challenges and "tests" on this planet where maybe our "test" and challenge is how we aid the less fortunate (this autistic woman) to be part of our society - not to kill it cuz it's gonna be an inconvenience. Evil, just pure evil out there.... I am on the autistic spectrum, I have read of such people in Europe doing this. You can judge her, this situation, and yet at the same time you can’t because really, you don’t known what it’s like and the misery that comes from such a state. I myself consider my plight a curse, but for now, I keep going on, despite going through inhuman misery over these last few years, but I won’t judge this woman. Helen Keller was def/blind - yet, she found a way to exist without blowing her brains out....back in a time when we didn't have the technology, medicine, etc. we have now. I get it, unless you're in someone's shoes you can't know what's going on with them - but this is freakin' 2024. While modern medicine can't save everyone, I don't believe so casually throwing suicide as a resolution to everything. You had to go and bring up Helen Keller, didn't you. There goes this thread.  |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:20:37 PM EDT
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Jesus… That’s just awful all around.
Y’all remember the south park episode where stan’s grandpa was trying to kill himself? The one where the kids ask several people about assisted suicide, until they decided to ask Jesus, whom answered, “My son… I’m not touching that with a sixty foot pole.” This kind of situation is exactly why. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:25:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By StraightShootinGal: Helen Keller was def/blind - yet, she found a way to exist without blowing her brains out....back in a time when we didn't have the technology, medicine, etc. we have now. I get it, unless you're in someone's shoes you can't know what's going on with them - but this is freakin' 2024. While modern medicine can't save everyone, I don't believe so casually throwing suicide as a resolution to everything. I think you have a point, just at the same time, so few people are on that spectrum, they don't know what it's like. There is variance even among people who are on the autistic spectrum of course, that's why it is called a spectrum. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:28:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Blind_Squirrel: Her life, her rules? If she ate a bullet or some pills, nobody here would know of it. Only because it’s assisted is it even here. I disagree with her choice but it’s her choice to make. I feel absolutely heartbroken for her father though. I hope he can make some inroads before it goes much further Fucking beautiful. The notion that the state’s doctors can talk your mentally challenged children into killing themselves and then helping them along framed as freedom. Chef kiss. Just perfection. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:29:07 PM EDT
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How soon until the involuntary killings?
It’s the next step. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:29:59 PM EDT
[#32]
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:30:40 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By atavistic: She is of no value to The State. "useless breathers" |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:31:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TontoGoldstein: How soon until the involuntary killings? It's the next step. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:32:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TontoGoldstein: How soon until the involuntary killings? It's the next step. Eventually the only people the Canadian health care system will cover will be the young and fit. If you're old, sick, or it costs too much to keep you alive, then you'll be on your own. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:33:08 PM EDT
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At one point in my life I begged God to kill me. Bad times ensued. I nearly ended up homeless. My health was horrible.
But 7 years after my pleading, He blessed me with a wonderful wife and a wonderful life. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:34:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:35:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Grunteled: Fucking beautiful. The notion that the state’s doctors can talk your mentally challenged children into killing themselves and then helping them along framed as freedom. Chef kiss. Just perfection. The article says she's autistic, not non-functionally retarded. I don't agree with her decision, but she was deemed capable of making it. |
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:45:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIndeed. Ironically, Hans Asperger was involved. I find this story sad. People fight, give up, look to end it, hunker down and endure it. Here is a woman who feels like her best option is death. That's on society. Euthanasia is not support. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:45:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By atavistic: She is of no value to The State. And has a "R" behind her name. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:45:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riter: Nazi Germany Eugenics adopted by globalists. This is the result of abortion on demand. 50 years of propaganda normalizing the killing of unwanted human beings. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:47:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GarandM1: Canada will soon mandate end-of-care for the "terminally ill". If you have something the doctors don't think you will be able to easily recover from then they will pull the plug by cutting off the money. Eventually the only people the Canadian health care system will cover will be the young and fit. If you're old, sick, or it costs too much to keep you alive, then you'll be on your own. Hopefully the young and fit realize what their fate is and make some political changes. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 10:48:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hugh1: And has a "R" behind her name. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By hugh1: Originally Posted By atavistic: She is of no value to The State. And has a "R" behind her name. Ah yes, the dreaded Canadian Republican 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:00:05 PM EDT
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Jack Kevorkian may have worked out of a van. But he at least only “worked with” terminally ill patients
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:02:27 PM EDT
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Logan’s Run- a blueprint
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IN, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:11:54 PM EDT
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As someone raising a son on the spectrum......I would go scorched earth.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:15:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Riter: Nazi Germany Eugenics adopted by globalists. Evil has enveloped this World. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:15:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Explorer225: I can't judge someone else because I can't live in their head. I can however judge someone that leads a vulnerable person down the wrong path. Yep |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:16:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphajaguars: As the father of an autistic child, I cannot comment on what I would do to that doctor and judge Dark thoughts |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 11:17:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By alphajaguars: As the father of an autistic child, I cannot comment on what I would do to that doctor and judge Same of same. |
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