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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:07:04 PM EDT
https://www.twz.com/air/c-130-float-plane-program-put-on-pause-by-special-operations-command
 The U.S. military's Fiscal Year 2025 budget request, which was rolled out in March, had included $11.5 million for SOCOM to pay for the fabrication of initial components necessary for the MC-130J floatplane conversion. In its proposed Fiscal Year 2024 budget, the Pentagon had asked for $15 million for the MAC project, and the year-over-year "decrease of $3.5 million... is due to [the] completion of detailed design activities in FY 2024," according to official budget documents. The Pentagon was limited in how much funding it could ask for in the upcoming fiscal cycle under the provisions of the Fiscal Responsibility Act, which Congress passed and President Joe Biden signed into law last year. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:11:05 PM EDT
[#1]
Delta Force part two
Lightning Igglooo |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:12:13 PM EDT
[Last Edit: towerofpower94]
[#2]
Fiscal Responsibility Act
Ha! ETA: I want the SOCOM PBY to be real 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:14:15 PM EDT
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Want!
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AR, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:16:28 PM EDT
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Can a C-130 take on fuel in-flight? Know they can deliver via two refueling points. Floats would hamper range and speed, but would allow some remote access.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:16:52 PM EDT
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Originally Posted By FreefallRet: Delta Force part two Lightning Igglooo Originally Posted By stillerfan: Want! Yeah that thing looks cool as fuck |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:19:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wmagrush: Can a C-130 take on fuel in-flight? Know they can deliver via two refueling points. Floats would hamper range and speed, but would allow some remote access. Pretty sure the MC-130J, which is the SOCOM variant and presumably the model that would be getting the water wings, can. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:25:10 PM EDT
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They need two or three floatplanes for no other reason than to complicate Chinese defensive planning.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:25:17 PM EDT
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As a former C-130 Loadmaster, the idea of loading that looks like a real bitch. But, an interesting idea.
SOCOM Hercs can be refueled in air, if I recall properly. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:33:44 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LineOfDeparture]
[#9]
We are just tax slaves for the globalist to harvest wealth from.
ETA: neat looking plane... seems extremely niche. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:44:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wmagrush: Can a C-130 take on fuel in-flight? Know they can deliver via two refueling points. Floats would hamper range and speed, but would allow some remote access. There are both boom and drogue refueling capable c-130s. MC-130s use a boom to refuel  Attached File |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:44:42 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:50:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:50:45 PM EDT
[#13]
Why not just buy ShinMaywa US-2 from the Japanese? Seems like a fit for this rather than slapping floats on a C-130? Ah, yes, our government loves to waste money...
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MT, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:53:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooky130: Why not just buy ShinMaywa US-2 from the Japanese? Seems like a fit for this rather than slapping floats on a C-130? Ah, yes, our government loves to waste money... https://warontherocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Alman-1.png Exactly. The article even mentions that the Japanese are lifting export restrictions... 
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IN, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:53:59 PM EDT
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Would something like that float be designed to provide some additional lift or would they want it neutral on lift?
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:56:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LineOfDeparture: We are just tax slaves for the globalist to harvest wealth from. ETA: neat looking plane... seems extremely niche. If what the government tells us is true, it is less niche every day. Now that New York City and Florida are submerged under the sea, and the rest the world is going to drown the day after tomorrow, thanks to climate change...one would think float planes would be a priority. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:57:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wmagrush: Can a C-130 take on fuel in-flight? Know they can deliver via two refueling points. Floats would hamper range and speed, but would allow some remote access. Once airborne perhaps they could use the floats as auxiliary fuel tanks, thereby greatly offsetting the range penalty. 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:57:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Discblade: Would something like that float be designed to provide some additional lift or would they want it neutral on lift? Fill them with helium! |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 12:59:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooky130: Why not just buy ShinMaywa US-2 from the Japanese? Seems like a fit for this rather than slapping floats on a C-130? Ah, yes, our government loves to waste money... https://warontherocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Alman-1.png I would guess it is because we already have parts, donor aircraft and support for the 130 airframe... To pick up those Japanese craft could be cost prohibitive. That being said; if its just one or two, maybe it could work? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:15:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: They need two or three floatplanes for no other reason than to complicate Chinese defensive planning. Yup |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:16:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Lungbuster: https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/196752/IMG_5465_jpeg-3208786.JPG Correct |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:50:03 PM EDT
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SOCOM's annual budget is over $10 BILLION.
They'll be okay. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 1:58:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Yup Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: They need two or three floatplanes for no other reason than to complicate Chinese defensive planning. Yup  |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:08:41 PM EDT
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This was Jim Slife’s baby before he was promoted to 4 star and made the AF Vice Chief of Staff.
Limited utility, but could be useful in the Pacific. Not really sure if the juice is worth the squeeze though. (I flew MH-53 PAVE LOW’s with Lt Slife decades ago. Pretty smart fellow) |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:11:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Reject modernity. Embrace tradition. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/P6M_SeaMaster.jpg Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JAG2955: Originally Posted By WhiskersTheCat: Originally Posted By Kilroytheknifesnob: They need two or three floatplanes for no other reason than to complicate Chinese defensive planning. Yup https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/5a/P6M_SeaMaster.jpg 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:19:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooky130: Why not just buy ShinMaywa US-2 from the Japanese? Seems like a fit for this rather than slapping floats on a C-130? Ah, yes, our government loves to waste money... https://warontherocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Alman-1.png A handful of one-off planes with their own PMO, training, supply, and depot systems seems like a much larger investment than some floats. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:24:45 PM EDT
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Why does the word KLUDGE come to mind?
As kludges go, it looks like a very poorly done kludge, too. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:28:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: A handful of one-off planes with their own PMO, training, supply, and depot systems seems like a much larger investment than some floats. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Spooky130: Why not just buy ShinMaywa US-2 from the Japanese? Seems like a fit for this rather than slapping floats on a C-130? Ah, yes, our government loves to waste money... https://warontherocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Alman-1.png A handful of one-off planes with their own PMO, training, supply, and depot systems seems like a much larger investment than some floats. So you get a C-130 that can't really do the traditional C-130 jobs. And you get a seaplane that's probably not a very good seaplane. Unless the C-130 can be rapidly reconverted to a normal C-130 I don't see how this is a good thing. Looking at the Japanese plane I'm not sure how they load cargo or people. There's no ramp like traditional US military cargo aircraft. Wonder if it is people only and little to no cargo capability? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:28:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MtnMusic: Exactly. The article even mentions that the Japanese are lifting export restrictions... https://www.twz.com/uploads/2023/05/09/us-2-jsdf.jpg?auto=webp&optimize=high&quality=70&width=640 We will need heavy lift like this if it gets hit with China. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:31:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooky130: So you get a C-130 that can't really do the traditional C-130 jobs. And you get a seaplane that's probably not a very good seaplane. Unless the C-130 can be rapidly reconverted to a normal C-130 I don't see how this is a good thing. Looking at the Japanese plane I'm not sure how they load cargo or people. There's no ramp like traditional US military cargo aircraft. Wonder if it is people only and little to no cargo capability? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooky130: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Spooky130: Why not just buy ShinMaywa US-2 from the Japanese? Seems like a fit for this rather than slapping floats on a C-130? Ah, yes, our government loves to waste money... https://warontherocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Alman-1.png A handful of one-off planes with their own PMO, training, supply, and depot systems seems like a much larger investment than some floats. So you get a C-130 that can't really do the traditional C-130 jobs. And you get a seaplane that's probably not a very good seaplane. Unless the C-130 can be rapidly reconverted to a normal C-130 I don't see how this is a good thing. Looking at the Japanese plane I'm not sure how they load cargo or people. There's no ramp like traditional US military cargo aircraft. Wonder if it is people only and little to no cargo capability? What of the MC-130's mission set can a US-2 perform? |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:31:52 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Pallas]
[#31]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooky130: Why not just buy ShinMaywa US-2 from the Japanese? Seems like a fit for this rather than slapping floats on a C-130? Ah, yes, our government loves to waste money... https://warontherocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Alman-1.png That's a SAR plane, the C-130 can carry more... Dunno how landing on water affects that. I know jack about planes, other than I like them, bu tthr C130 float plane looks like a pretty stupid idea that would have never really worked out. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:34:12 PM EDT
[#32]
They can take off from carriers. We don't need them to float.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:37:04 PM EDT
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If you're gonna do it, do it sexy.
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:52:38 PM EDT
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That looks like something a bunch of AF pilots dreamed up while sitting around the squadron bar drinking beer. The wing commander was there and said "let's run it up the flagpole and see if we can get a c130 seaplane!"
Floats large enough for a c130 would destroy range and airspeed. More importantly, for what purpose? Anything they need to unload can be airdropped. If you want to land to load cargo, anywhere with the capability to load cargo into a c130 seaplane will also have a runway. There are many paths for the military to obtain a piece of equipment if there is a quantifiable need, this just sounds like the good idea fairy paid them a visit. There's all manner of one-off and non standard aircraft in the military, especially socom, so the fact that it wasn't approved tells me there isn't a big need for it. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:56:01 PM EDT
[#35]
I'd like to see that in action
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:58:04 PM EDT
[Last Edit: LoBrau]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morgan321: That looks like something a bunch of AF pilots dreamed up while sitting around the squadron bar drinking beer. The wing commander was there and said "let's run it up the flagpole and see if we can get a c130 seaplane!" Floats large enough for a c130 would destroy range and airspeed. More importantly, for what purpose? Anything they need to unload can be airdropped. If you want to land to load cargo, anywhere with the capability to load cargo into a c130 seaplane will also have a runway. There are many paths for the military to obtain a piece of equipment if there is a quantifiable need, this just sounds like the good idea fairy paid them a visit. There's all manner of one-off and non standard aircraft in the military, especially socom, so the fact that it wasn't approved tells me there isn't a big need for it. What about retrieving clandestine amphibious mini subs? 
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Posted: 5/8/2024 2:58:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morgan321: That looks like something a bunch of AF pilots dreamed up while sitting around the squadron bar drinking beer. The wing commander was there and said "let's run it up the flagpole and see if we can get a c130 seaplane!" Floats large enough for a c130 would destroy range and airspeed. More importantly, for what purpose? Anything they need to unload can be airdropped. If you want to land to load cargo, anywhere with the capability to load cargo into a c130 seaplane will also have a runway. There are many paths for the military to obtain a piece of equipment if there is a quantifiable need, this just sounds like the good idea fairy paid them a visit. There's all manner of one-off and non standard aircraft in the military, especially socom, so the fact that it wasn't approved tells me there isn't a big need for it. It’s for littoral manauver within the SCS. Many of the smaller islands don’t support C130 sized aircraft landing and take off. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:03:26 PM EDT
[Last Edit: broken_reticle]
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Holeup.
Someone call Coulson, we need to make this happen. Can we do it with a Spooky variant? Call it the Spooky Splashy? Spooky McSlasherson? |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:09:42 PM EDT
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God damn thing’s made to start a war!
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:13:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoBrau: What about retrieving clandestine amphibious mini subs? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By LoBrau: What about retrieving clandestine amphibious mini subs? You do that with your clandestine full size sub. Everybody knows that. Originally Posted By R0N: It’s for littoral manauver within the SCS. Many of the smaller islands don’t support C130 sized aircraft landing and take off. I get it, but if you need to drop off large cargo you can airdrop it. If you need to pickup large cargo, then a dinky island without infrastructure has no way to load cargo into a seaplane. Also, this is exactly what an osprey is for - airplane speed/range and it can hover to land anywhere. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:21:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: What of the MC-130's mission set can a US-2 perform? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Spooky130: Originally Posted By SmilingBandit: Originally Posted By Spooky130: Why not just buy ShinMaywa US-2 from the Japanese? Seems like a fit for this rather than slapping floats on a C-130? Ah, yes, our government loves to waste money... https://warontherocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Alman-1.png A handful of one-off planes with their own PMO, training, supply, and depot systems seems like a much larger investment than some floats. So you get a C-130 that can't really do the traditional C-130 jobs. And you get a seaplane that's probably not a very good seaplane. Unless the C-130 can be rapidly reconverted to a normal C-130 I don't see how this is a good thing. Looking at the Japanese plane I'm not sure how they load cargo or people. There's no ramp like traditional US military cargo aircraft. Wonder if it is people only and little to no cargo capability? What of the MC-130's mission set can a US-2 perform? Haul people. And probably not very many of them at once. Frankly I'd be more worried about taking a specialized, low quantity asset like a MC-130 and trying to make it is something it is not. No longer a C-130 and a shitty seaplane all at the same time. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:21:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Morgan321: You do that with your clandestine full size sub. Everybody knows that. I get it, but if you need to drop off large cargo you can airdrop it. If you need to pickup large cargo, then a dinky island without infrastructure has no way to load cargo into a seaplane. Also, this is exactly what an osprey is for - airplane speed/range and it can hover to land anywhere. The V-22s only have a 20K lift capability |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:24:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Spooky130: Why not just buy ShinMaywa US-2 from the Japanese? Seems like a fit for this rather than slapping floats on a C-130? Ah, yes, our government loves to waste money... https://warontherocks.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/11/Alman-1.png Makes too much sense. And it’s more or less a derivative of an older US flying boat the Martin P5M Marlin (added a couple engines and made them turbo props) |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:25:51 PM EDT
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Seen this kicked around the groups for years....
Dumb. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:26:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JQ66: Makes too much sense. And it’s more or less a derivative of an older US flying boat the Martin P5M Marlin (added a couple engines and made them turbo props) SOCOM and the USMC looked into it, they decided the cost of logistics for adding a seperate, low density aircraft type into the services made this look like better option. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:27:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SmilingBandit: A handful of one-off planes with their own PMO, training, supply, and depot systems seems like a much larger investment than some floats. So you let the Japanese do the depot maintenance |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:27:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By aod886: They can take off from carriers. We don't need them to float. Completely empty, stripped down, min fuel with nothing else on the flight deck. Kick ass photo op, that's all. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:28:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By R0N: The V-22s only have a 20K lift capability Again, if you're going to an unimproved island then you only have humans to load your cargo. So anything humans can load by hand will fit in an osprey. You can send two osprey to carry the same weight. I'm just giving likely reasons why floats for a c130 weren't approved. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:29:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MTNShewter: God damn thing’s made to start a war! Perhaps if it transformed into a submarine once landing. |
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Posted: 5/8/2024 3:30:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Deadtired: If you're gonna do it, do it sexy. https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6e/Boeing_314_Clipper-cropped.jpg Latecoere 631 had better lines, even if the 314 was really awesome and sad none were preserved  |
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