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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:41:20 AM EDT
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-cracks-down-on-diesel-trucks-in-bid-to-fight-climate-change-reduce-emissions
The Biden administration finalized long-awaited regulations targeting emissions generated from heavy-duty vehicles, including trucks and buses, the latest salvo in President Biden's sweeping climate agenda. The Environmental Protection Agency announced the new regulations Friday morning, and officials said they represent the strongest-ever greenhouse gas emissions standards of their kind. The rules will kick in beginning in 2026 for model year 2027 vehicles and progressively become more stringent through model year 2032, forcing a larger number of trucks and buses to be zero-emissions in that time frame. "EPA’s standards complement President Biden’s unprecedented investment in our workers and communities to reduce harmful emissions, while strengthening our manufacturing capacity for the transportation technologies of the future," said White House Climate Advisor Ali Zaidi. "By tackling pollution from heavy-duty vehicles, we can unlock extraordinary public health, climate, and economic gains." "With the climate crisis underway and many of our communities facing unprecedented fires, droughts, and floods, it’s crucial that truck manufacturers get into the fast lane with zero-emission trucks to deliver the climate, health, and economic benefits we deserve," said Katherine Garcia, director of the Sierra Club’s Clean Transportation for All campaign. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:45:16 AM EDT
[#1]
Civilization runs on diesel. This childish, fearful addiction to the precautionary principle will have horrible economic & supply chain negative impacts. We need to reduce central planning.
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CA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:45:43 AM EDT
[Last Edit: warlord]
[#2]
Ya gonna need Trump, otherwise we are going down another rabbit hole.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:51:10 AM EDT
[#3]
Have China and India fix their issues first, then we can talk.
 Attached FileIt's all a grift.  Attached File |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:51:25 AM EDT
[#4]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warlord: Ya gonna need Trump, otherwise we are going down another rabbit hole. We are F'ed with a capitol F . |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:55:12 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warlord: Ya gonna need Trump, otherwise we are going down another rabbit hole. Trump ain’t gonna do shit. This has been in the works for decades at this point. Everyone knew tier 5 was coming. Just makes everything more expensive. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 9:57:59 AM EDT
[#6]
FUCK joe biden
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:01:22 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Foxtrot08: Trump ain’t gonna do shit. This has been in the works for decades at this point. Everyone knew tier 5 was coming. Just makes everything more expensive. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Foxtrot08: Originally Posted By warlord: Ya gonna need Trump, otherwise we are going down another rabbit hole. Trump ain’t gonna do shit. This has been in the works for decades at this point. Everyone knew tier 5 was coming. Just makes everything more expensive. There is gonna be a 5th tier? Damn, tier 4 adds 10's of thousands to the cost of a diesel generator already with a dpf and/or whatever else is used to achieve it. Can't wait to see what 5 adds to their cost... ...and how big it'll be |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:01:25 AM EDT
[Last Edit: callgood]
[#8]
 I should have kept the spare lot next to us. Could have raised a hell of a garden on 160'x160'. The Bridge on the River Kwai - Madness... MADNESS! |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:01:31 AM EDT
[#9]
I laugh in 5.9 Cummins.
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UT, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:01:56 AM EDT
[#10]
Diesel used to put particulate matter into the atmosphere to help global cooling. Biden is trying to bake us….
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:02:52 AM EDT
[#11]
They are planning to starve people. It doesn't take a genius to see that.
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:04:20 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By callgood: I should have kept the spare lot next to us. Could have raised a hell of a garden on 160'x160'.Think Ikea. You can grow food in any configuration. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:07:41 AM EDT
[#13]
"to fight climate change". That's essentially fighting the universe and historic cycles of extreme change that have occurred long before we were here, and will continue long after we are gone.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:09:48 AM EDT
[#14]
Why are these people always 'cracking down' on things I ask rhetorically.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:14:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RIP-Yataski: There is gonna be a 5th tier? Damn, tier 4 adds 10's of thousands to the cost of a diesel generator already with a dpf and/or whatever else is used to achieve it. Can't wait to see what 5 adds to their cost... ...and how big it'll be Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RIP-Yataski: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Originally Posted By warlord: Ya gonna need Trump, otherwise we are going down another rabbit hole. Trump ain’t gonna do shit. This has been in the works for decades at this point. Everyone knew tier 5 was coming. Just makes everything more expensive. There is gonna be a 5th tier? Damn, tier 4 adds 10's of thousands to the cost of a diesel generator already with a dpf and/or whatever else is used to achieve it. Can't wait to see what 5 adds to their cost... ...and how big it'll be The DPF / EGR will be statistically the same. The major change is the amount of DEF used. You will see a 30-50% increase in DEF usage. In theory, you will also see less diesel used. But not to the point of balancing the costs out of DEF consumption. Euro 6 / US tier 5 have literally been planned since the 90s. The specifics for this came out sometime in 2015. Thinking “oh trump is gonna save us” is… laugh worthy. It would take an act of Congress to stop this, since this was already allowed by Congress and SCOTUS. The green weenies are more than happy to kill people for their cause. They’re at best, homicidal morons, at worse brain washed genocidal zealots for their cult. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:15:30 AM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By apexcrusade: Why are these people always 'cracking down' on things I ask rhetorically. Because capitalism is bad, mmkay? Without smart Democrats to keep everything cracked down, the world would descend into chaos and we'd all die from climate change and racism. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:16:27 AM EDT
[#17]
The idiot is also looking to ban rare earth mineral mining in the US.
"You need to go electric but you can't mine for the minerals needed" Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:17:42 AM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By motoguzzi: The idiot is also looking to ban rare earth mineral mining in the US. "You need to go electric but you can't mine for the minerals needed" Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up Easier to get his 10% if foreign companies are doing all the mining. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:20:36 AM EDT
[#19]
Originally Posted By Ronin72: They are planning to starve people. It doesn't take a genius to see that. This is the end goal. Diesel engines become paperweights when the DEF system pukes or Diesel become too expensive. Better get a couple of team horses. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:23:10 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Foxtrot08: The DPF / EGR will be statistically the same. The major change is the amount of DEF used. You will see a 30-50% increase in DEF usage. In theory, you will also see less diesel used. But not to the point of balancing the costs out of DEF consumption. Euro 6 / US tier 5 have literally been planned since the 90s. The specifics for this came out sometime in 2015. Thinking “oh trump is gonna save us” is… laugh worthy. It would take an act of Congress to stop this, since this was already allowed by Congress and SCOTUS. The green weenies are more than happy to kill people for their cause. They’re at best, homicidal morons, at worse brain washed genocidal zealots for their cult. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Foxtrot08: Originally Posted By RIP-Yataski: Originally Posted By Foxtrot08: Originally Posted By warlord: Ya gonna need Trump, otherwise we are going down another rabbit hole. Trump ain’t gonna do shit. This has been in the works for decades at this point. Everyone knew tier 5 was coming. Just makes everything more expensive. There is gonna be a 5th tier? Damn, tier 4 adds 10's of thousands to the cost of a diesel generator already with a dpf and/or whatever else is used to achieve it. Can't wait to see what 5 adds to their cost... ...and how big it'll be The DPF / EGR will be statistically the same. The major change is the amount of DEF used. You will see a 30-50% increase in DEF usage. In theory, you will also see less diesel used. But not to the point of balancing the costs out of DEF consumption. Euro 6 / US tier 5 have literally been planned since the 90s. The specifics for this came out sometime in 2015. Thinking “oh trump is gonna save us” is… laugh worthy. It would take an act of Congress to stop this, since this was already allowed by Congress and SCOTUS. The green weenies are more than happy to kill people for their cause. They’re at best, homicidal morons, at worse brain washed genocidal zealots for their cult. 10-4. To my knowledge, DEF isn't used with diesel stand-by generators (basis of my comment) but makes sense with diesel trucks/tractors because they are already using it. Maybe DEF is used by generators or atleast will be. If so, that'll be something I'll have to cover costs for just like diesel fuel for test & top off. We'll see... |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:24:16 AM EDT
[#21]
People have no fucking idea how hard this will hit their wallets.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:32:22 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RIP-Yataski: 10-4. To my knowledge, DEF isn't used with diesel stand-by generators (basis of my comment) but makes sense with diesel trucks/tractors because they are already using it. Maybe DEF is used by generators or atleast will be. If so, that'll be something I'll have to cover costs for just like diesel fuel for test & top off. We'll see... Some of the newer euro diesels are using more than a tank of def with a tank of fuel under heavy load towing. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:40:32 AM EDT
[#23]
In other news cost of goods went up 25% due to the policies Trump put in place 4 years ago.
Republicans are known for increasing prices and Trump is a poopy head |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:41:47 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Max429: Some of the newer euro diesels are using more than a tank of def with a tank of fuel under heavy load towing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Max429: Originally Posted By RIP-Yataski: 10-4. To my knowledge, DEF isn't used with diesel stand-by generators (basis of my comment) but makes sense with diesel trucks/tractors because they are already using it. Maybe DEF is used by generators or atleast will be. If so, that'll be something I'll have to cover costs for just like diesel fuel for test & top off. We'll see... Some of the newer euro diesels are using more than a tank of def with a tank of fuel under heavy load towing. I was told it’s going to be nearly 1:1 on large equipment. Mining, large stationary engines, etc. Currently it’s about 1:7 with on road trucks. Expected to rise to 1:3 give or take. |
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NE, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:43:14 AM EDT
[#25]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By motoguzzi: The idiot is also looking to ban rare earth mineral mining in the US. "You need to go electric but you can't mine for the minerals needed" Never underestimate Joe's ability to fuck things up This is classic US Government. They'll create two regulations at the same time:
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:44:19 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crazyascanbe: In other news cost of goods went up 25% due to the policies Trump put in place 4 years ago. Republicans are known for increasing prices and Trump is a poopy head Welcome 2023'er. Yeah, cheap gas and mean tweets. Go you! |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:44:33 AM EDT
[#27]
Biden and his admin are a bunch jizz swallowing losers.
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CO, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:45:24 AM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KalmanPhilter: Civilization runs on diesel. This childish, fearful addiction to the precautionary principle will have horrible economic & supply chain negative impacts. We need to reduce central planning. All part of the depopulation strategy. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:46:36 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Foxtrot08: I was told it’s going to be nearly 1:1 on large equipment. Mining, large stationary engines, etc. Currently it’s about 1:7 with on road trucks. Expected to rise to 1:3 give or take. I am seeing very similar numbers also. I fully expect one ton trucks here in the states to get a larger def tank by the 27 model year. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:48:36 AM EDT
[#30]
Good luck, but it’s really just “somebody else’s problem”.
An analysis came out recently putting the price tag at over $1 trillion dollars to convert OTR to zero emissions. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:48:48 AM EDT
[#31]
California is pulling this shit with the railroad locomotives.
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:49:08 AM EDT
[Last Edit: atavistic]
[#32]
I propose making the new Baltimore bridge the first zero carbon bridge built entirely of recycled aluminum cans and earth friendly mud and straw.
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:49:59 AM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By apexcrusade: Why are these people always 'cracking down' on things I ask rhetorically. Why does a man who thinks this is horribly important get driven around in a massively heavy vehicle in a convoy of other petrolium burning vehicles on the way to his four-engine jet? If it's that dire that we need to change let's see some leadership from the front. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:50:19 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stevelish: All part of the depopulation strategy. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stevelish: Originally Posted By KalmanPhilter: Civilization runs on diesel. This childish, fearful addiction to the precautionary principle will have horrible economic & supply chain negative impacts. We need to reduce central planning. All part of the depopulation strategy. The only place they want to depopulate is south of the border. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:50:28 AM EDT
[#35]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Im_Awake: Have China and India fix their issues first, then we can talk. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/551831/Screenshot_20240329-064619_Brave_jpg-3172654.JPG It's all a grift. https://www.ar15.com/media/mediaFiles/551831/Screenshot_20240329-064632_Brave_jpg-3172655.JPG Well that's not the goal. In fact minimizing "climate change" isn't really the goal either. The goal is to level the global playing field and that starts with degrading the US economy. Folks need to undersatnd that the unelected officials who are actually running this country hate it and what it represents. They see the US as an evil empire built in the backs of minorities whilst raping global resources. and yes….I worked the word 'whilst" into a sentance. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:50:30 AM EDT
[#36]
that whole video is just so insufferable, biden has to go, it's joever
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USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:51:02 AM EDT
[#37]
Tyranny has metastasized in this country.
It will not end well. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:52:49 AM EDT
[#38]
Joe Biden used to drive a big rig. He is part of the problem.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-debunked-claim-used-drive-tractor-trailer |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:56:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: QueenDeNile]
[#39]
It would be more productive working on establishing large mammals back to the subarctic region and repopulating our plains with Buffalo and cracking down on the illegal fishing that's destroying the krill and planktonic. The decimation and extinction of large mammals and pollution has had a greater impact on our greenhouse emissions than anything else. Of course they know this. But they have a reason for wanting to starve the world and bankrupt our economy.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:57:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MeInMediocrity: Joe Biden used to drive a big rig. He is part of the problem. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-debunked-claim-used-drive-tractor-trailer Yeah, that's why his knees and back are bad. Truckin is serious bidness. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 10:58:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By warlord: Ya gonna need Trump, otherwise we are going down another rabbit hole. We need Trump and a solid majority in both houses. It will take 8-12 years to undo the harm Biden has done. I just pray we win and have the time to right this ship. Biden may drag us into WWIII before this is over. It is time everyone wakes up and puts aside minor issues until our very survival is assured. Stop with the uniparty BS and send a donation to Trump, the RNC and your local Republicans. For those who don’t know. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:00:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Crazyascanbe: In other news cost of goods went up 25% due to the policies Trump put in place 4 years ago. Republicans are known for increasing prices and Trump is a poopy head You have to be careful. Not everyone in GD will understand your sarcasm. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:01:50 AM EDT
[#43]
Time to shut down the EPA and fire anybody who believes in Climate Change.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:05:40 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jtskier11]
[#44]
What a freaking joke! I bet Obama is having fun with all this shit. Asswipe.............
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VA, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:10:37 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Dboy11]
[#45]
Even my new super duties are burning way more def than the older units.
Can’t wait for this Right now I think I’m going through about 300 gallons a week of def I will also add the majority of my maintenance downtime is associated to after treatment systems |
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KY, USA
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:12:02 AM EDT
[#46]
Fucking stupid. Big trucks are already having a helluva time with tier 4 EPA bullshit.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:21:20 AM EDT
[#47]
The “Sierra club can hike to hell.”
Bumper sticker from 40 years ago. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:25:28 AM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Bogdan: People have no fucking idea how hard this will hit their wallets. |
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:30:27 AM EDT
[#49]
Each engine is different as are the little black boxes calculation, but generally you’re going to get 3-6% on our on road and 3-13% on our heavy equipment our heavy excavators tend to be the bigger consumer.
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Posted: 3/29/2024 11:31:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seabee_Mech: It's slowly killing the Owner/Operator truck drivers. All the added emission requirements have increased breakdowns, usually due to DEF/DPF issues. Waiting on shop time and parts can down a truck for days or even weeks (time the O/O isn't making money) and cost thousands of dollars. Parts shortages during Covid were dead lining trucks for weeks/months, some companies were seeing 10-20% of their fleet down. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Seabee_Mech: Originally Posted By Bogdan: People have no fucking idea how hard this will hit their wallets. We began the process recently of building an internal rental fleet of trucks just to take care of our breakdowns in emissions systems. |
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