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Posted: 3/20/2024 8:23:00 AM EDT
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Quote History Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:
EO and Rome can't trace their roots back to jesus. The linkage is not there. You are forced to rely on traditions that go against the texts, which were around before rome or the EO ever existed - the texts that the apostles wrote.
No, it didn't. It's the gospel that the texts of the bible contain. People are not stupid, they can read the text and see what they mean, in the normal everyday ordinary way they read other things. Wheverever the text has been, there has been the gospel we preach - that Jesus actually saves people.
I can understand why you wouldn't want to get into that given how the current pope is, but that's exactly what you need to do, for yourself. If your beliefs cannot stand up to the pressure of reality, something in them is not right and has to be fixed.
Conciliarism would seem to still be deader than a doornail, and bergoglio is packing the power structure with people like him and further to his theological left. Rome may be seeing another split within our lifetimes. I wouldn't be surprised to see the african bishops lead the way out.
View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quote History Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO:
Christian Orthodox also preaches what Rome preaches. Isn't it funny how the 2 churches that can trace their roots all the way to Jesus teach basically the same thing? EO and Rome can't trace their roots back to jesus. The linkage is not there. You are forced to rely on traditions that go against the texts, which were around before rome or the EO ever existed - the texts that the apostles wrote. Originally Posted By MolonLabeFBHO: Protestant reformation brought a different gospel 1500 years later. No, it didn't. It's the gospel that the texts of the bible contain. People are not stupid, they can read the text and see what they mean, in the normal everyday ordinary way they read other things. Wheverever the text has been, there has been the gospel we preach - that Jesus actually saves people. Originally Posted By Gullskjegg: I'm not going to get into your gospel/Bible/authority argument in this thread but the pope can err just as the rest of us can, there is no claim to the pope being without sin. He is just a man, same as you and I. Thankfully the pope isn't the Church, but a mere servant of her. I can understand why you wouldn't want to get into that given how the current pope is, but that's exactly what you need to do, for yourself. If your beliefs cannot stand up to the pressure of reality, something in them is not right and has to be fixed. Conciliarism would seem to still be deader than a doornail, and bergoglio is packing the power structure with people like him and further to his theological left. Rome may be seeing another split within our lifetimes. I wouldn't be surprised to see the african bishops lead the way out. Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:EO and Rome can't trace their roots back to jesus. The linkage is not there. You are forced to rely on traditions that go against the texts, which were around before rome or the EO ever existed - the texts that the apostles wrote. Yes, they can, and yes, it is. There is no forcing of tradition against the texts, the texts the apostles wrote, as bishops of the Church that Christ founded. Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:No, it didn't. It's the gospel that the texts of the bible contain. People are not stupid, they can read the text and see what they mean, in the normal everyday ordinary way they read other things. Wheverever the text has been, there has been the gospel we preach - that Jesus actually saves people. I see. Originally Posted By FlashMan-7k:I can understand why you wouldn't want to get into that given how the current pope is, but that's exactly what you need to do, for yourself. If your beliefs cannot stand up to the pressure of reality, something in them is not right and has to be fixed. It's a matter of not derailing this thread, my beliefs stand up just fine to the pressure and has been hardened by discussions such as this, so thank you my brother. I'm not worried, God has a plan and I have faith in Him.
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