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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:18:13 PM EDT
So-called urban camping when people live in RVs or vehicles parked on city streets has risen rapidly in Bozeman, Montana, where locals are getting priced out by rising housing costs that are impacting many communities in the West. Bozeman, located in the Rocky Mountains about 80 miles north of Yellowstone National Park, has a population of around 56,000 people. City officials say the number of Bozeman residents living in their RVs or cars spiked by 200% in two years, according to Montana PBS, which cited the city. Since 2020, the overall unhoused population has grown by 50%. The rise in residents experiencing homelessness comes as housing costs have spiked. The median listing price for a home has gone from $669,000 at the start of 2020 to $1.2 million in 2024, according to city data. Meanwhile, rental costs in Gallatin County, where Bozeman is located, increased nearly 19% from 2019 to 2022 and continued to rise, leaving the county with the highest rents in the state. "Homelessness has always been on the radar," Bozeman Mayor Terry Cunningham told PBS. "This with urban camping, RVs, more cars This is a recent phenomenon." Though homelessness in the city has been rising since the pandemic, the increase in RVs and campers on city streets made the problem more visible, resulting in tensions over how to address it. "First, these folks are our residents too," the city website says when discussing how it's addressing urban camping. "Many contribute to the workforce, send their kids to our local schools, and may not appear 'homeless' when you see them at their jobs and in the area." Bozeman residents are divided over whether the city has been too lenient in addressing the issue. In some locations, the city has installed dumpsters and trash cans near areas with campers to prevent litter and provide the unhoused with a place to dispose of their garbage. A group of local business owners sued Bozeman last fall, arguing the city was not doing enough to enforce existing laws that would prevent people from camping on public streets. Business owners say they have dealt with theft, vandalism, and instances of harassment. Residents have also complained that some people living in their cars are not doing so out of necessity but just to save money on rent, pointing to the presence of new cars and generators on the some of the campers, PBS reported.  need a caravan for me ma |
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:23:14 PM EDT
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It can't start snowing soon enough to hide the stench. Maybe city officials could tax the tourists more to pay for this mess since it's them and the newcomers responsible for this problem.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:24:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 49north: It can't start snowing soon enough to hide the stench. Maybe city officials could tax the tourists more to pay for this mess since it's them and the newcomers responsible for this problem. Tourists are responsible for the problem? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:27:26 PM EDT
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Something something lazy asses, something something avocado toast, something something iPhones. Did I forget anything?
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WA, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:28:26 PM EDT
[#4]
Add another 75-100 campers and that pic will look like my AO.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:30:53 PM EDT
[Last Edit: buck19delta]
[#5]
Don’t worry though, high cost of housing won’t effect the Welfare peeps and Illegals, as they will have government money paying for their housing costs no matter how high rent gets / increases, their food / medical / housing / apartments / hotel rooms etc will be fully funded up until the day the federal government goes bankrupt, which isn’t that far off actually.
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:35:26 PM EDT
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Does the area have camper parking within city limits?
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:36:59 PM EDT
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1.2 million as the median home price, not surprising you have a bunch of rubber tramps.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:40:47 PM EDT
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So what is it about Bozeman that makes a house worth a million dollars
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:42:08 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By tc556guy: So what is it about Bozeman that makes a house worth a million dollars Good ski resorts nearby attracts people with money who like that sort of thing. |
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AL, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:43:06 PM EDT
[#10]
If they ruin Montana, that will be quite an accomplishment.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:45:37 PM EDT
[Last Edit: wareagle30]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Good ski resorts nearby attracts people with money who like that sort of thing. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Originally Posted By tc556guy: So what is it about Bozeman that makes a house worth a million dollars Good ski resorts nearby attracts people with money who like that sort of thing. This. Every bit of this. Doesn’t help that all the van lifers, remote workers from Silicon Valley and lest I forget… the Texans have finally started to invade. ETA: It doesn’t help that every other thing they build around here is a damn dog park or 1-3 bedroom apartments that are used for VRBOs. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:46:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GomerPyle: If they ruin Montana, that will be quite an accomplishment. It’s already ruined. I’m looking at leaving for Wyoming. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:46:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GomerPyle: If they ruin Montana, that will be quite an accomplishment. Have you seen Missoula? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:47:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wareagle30: It’s already ruined. I’m looking at leaving for Wyoming. I like Wyoming. Spent 6 months in the NW part of the state and I loved it. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:49:10 PM EDT
[#15]
This house was just listed for $810k.
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:53:00 PM EDT
[#16]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: I like Wyoming. Spent 6 months in the NW part of the state and I loved it. I hate to break it to you, but NW WY is almost as bad. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:56:21 PM EDT
[#17]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wareagle30: I hate to break it to you, but NW WY is almost as bad. Yeah, but I can dream. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 6:57:40 PM EDT
[#18]
how can john dutton let this happen?
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:00:03 PM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -daddy: Add another 75-100 campers and that pic will look like my AO. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:00:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By GomerPyle: If they ruin Montana, that will be quite an accomplishment. i can show you several. 
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:01:35 PM EDT
[#21]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wareagle30: It's already ruined. I'm looking at leaving for Wyoming. East bound and down, loaded up and truckin'. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:01:54 PM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: I like Wyoming. Spent 6 months in the NW part of the state and I loved it.
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USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:02:10 PM EDT
[#23]
Been saying it for years because I see it in my state.
People from the northeast and west coast sell their shitboxes and move into states like Montana years ago or some southern states now and pay cash for everything. It's artificial and they price locals out because it's not how the local economy is built and cost of living. It's not something that can be corrected or fixed without slowing down the migration. The locals aren't going to all the sudden start making appropriate salaries |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:02:53 PM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By This_Guy: how can john dutton let this happen?
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:04:48 PM EDT
[#25]
Were these people residents of the city and then got homeless, or are they homeless that moved to Bozeman? If housing is expensive, wouldn’t it be a little costly overall, to live there? Why don’t the homeless go somewhere else they can afford to live and get a job there? What’s holding them to Bozeman?
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:05:27 PM EDT
[#26]
A nephew just moved one town over. His old rental lasted 15 years @$1150 a mo. Now it's $2500. Guess he should have save saved and bought something. He had a good run.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:06:38 PM EDT
[#27]
I'm confused.
Are these people that DID have homes in Bozeman, but then rent went up and they couldn't afford them? Or are these homeless people that were going to be homeless anywhere, but Bozeman is a nice place for your cousin with the truck to drop your shitbox trailer off at? Also, why is it ALWAYS a Nissan Versa? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:06:51 PM EDT
[#28]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MtnMusic: This house was just listed for $810k. https://photos.zillowstatic.com/fp/2a229fadb01aaad3df55df3b825f4937-cc_ft_768.webp
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:07:27 PM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: come out to eastern WY. Always wanted to go visit there, still an option I guess.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:07:27 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FistPeso: 1.2 million as the median home price, not surprising you have a bunch of rubber tramps. lucky.gif |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:12:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: come out to eastern WY. What's that? I can't hear you over the wind. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:14:39 PM EDT
[#32]
This will continue until some useful idiot comes up with the idea of pricing controls for living quarters. People will continue to be priced out of housing, but the benevolent government will take houses by eminent domain, because of pricing controls, and use the property to build free public housing for all. It will start with the empty nesters and work its way to sinks and dinks.
You will own nothing and be happy that someone else is taking care (poorly) of the buildings and grounds. Until the machines stop working. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:16:27 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MtnMusic: This house was just listed for $810k. https://photos.zillowstatic.com/fp/2a229fadb01aaad3df55df3b825f4937-cc_ft_768.webp That’s 1/3 off the median. So, there’s still deals to be found… |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:18:08 PM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By mooreshawnm: What's that? I can't hear you over the wind. keeps the riff raff out. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:18:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By RedAngus: That's 1/3 off the median. So, there's still deals to be found
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:19:10 PM EDT
[#36]
If that situation was merely the result of normal people being forced out of traditional housing, there would be many more orderly camps, like a typical family campsite or a hunting camp. But every one you see is a fucking pig sty, which means they're generally populated by drug addicts.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:19:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: Always wanted to go visit there, still an option I guess. |
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MT, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:21:51 PM EDT
[#38]
It'll get worse.
These are the good old days I'll remember fondly years from now. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:22:02 PM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: but why.gif I wanna see Devils Tower 
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:26:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MtnMusic: This house was just listed for $810k. https://photos.zillowstatic.com/fp/2a229fadb01aaad3df55df3b825f4937-cc_ft_768.webp Interested. What’s the address?
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:28:09 PM EDT
[#41]
big money moving in buy it cheap then a few years later wonder why the town has no employees or bus open anymore.Seen it in other towns where money comes in buys or starts a business charges the prices they did in CA but pay the local wages then again wonder why employees are gone
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:30:27 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Third_Rail: It'll get worse. These are the good old days I'll remember fondly years from now. montucky is done for.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:31:52 PM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By eagarminuteman: I wanna see Devils Tower used to work with a cat whose brother was killed in a climbing accident at DT.  |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:33:30 PM EDT
[Last Edit: FGracing]
[#44]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By MtnMusic: This house was just listed for $810k. https://photos.zillowstatic.com/fp/2a229fadb01aaad3df55df3b825f4937-cc_ft_768.webp No Zillow to show it? Here ya go. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/617-N-Willson-Ave-Bozeman-MT-59715/74929238_zpid/ |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:33:45 PM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Liberty_Tree: Interested. What's the address? https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/617-N-Willson-Ave-Bozeman-MT-59715/74929238_zpid/ |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:34:47 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FGracing: No Zillow to show it? |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:40:34 PM EDT
[#47]
There's hobo's on the lower 40, let's go down and fight them. Before we go though, anyone want to fight me? If you want to fight each other, you better fight me first. Now if that's settled let's go down to the lower 40 and fight them hobo's. We'll check the top 40 after that and fight anyone we find.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:41:17 PM EDT
[#48]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wareagle30: I hate to break it to you, but NW WY is almost as bad. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wareagle30: Originally Posted By eagarminuteman: I like Wyoming. Spent 6 months in the NW part of the state and I loved it. I hate to break it to you, but NW WY is almost as bad. Yeah, no, it's not. |
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:41:18 PM EDT
[#49]
Bozeman isn’t the same as it once was.
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Posted: 4/30/2024 7:41:18 PM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLPettimoreIII: scroll down. This is a few blocks away. The other guy is on crack. https://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1388-Arianna-Way-Bozeman-MT-59715/348603203_zpid/ |
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