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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:11:24 AM EDT
https://apnews.com/article/arizona-governor-abortion-ban-1864-signing-07bba2fa805971be62b800bd89c81a5a
Arizona’s Democratic governor signs a bill to repeal 1864 ban on most abortions PHOENIX (AP) — Democratic Arizona Gov. Katie Hobbs has relegated a Civil War-era ban on most abortions to the past by signing a bill Thursday to repeal it. Hobbs says the move is just the beginning of a fight to protect reproductive health care in Arizona. The repeal of the 1864 law that the state Supreme Court recently reinstated won’t take effect until 90 days after the legislative session ends, which typically happens in June or July. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:14:38 AM EDT
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What timing! 90 days after July will be October.
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USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:17:26 AM EDT
[#2]
How the hell did Arizona get a Democrat governor? Illegals and transplants I assume.
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:18:39 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vxtip545: How the hell did Arizona get a Democrat governor? Illegals and transplants I assume. Easy to win when you count the votes. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:18:50 AM EDT
[#4]
Oh wow, so you can kill babies in AZ again? How exciting!
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:20:15 AM EDT
[#5]
I was told all the anti abortion people want in overturning Roe was making it a states’ rights issue. Well….
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CO, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:21:13 AM EDT
[#6]
Good for them.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:21:31 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: Oh wow, so you can kill babies in AZ again? How exciting! According to our resident political science PHDs who have worked on numerous campaigns here in GD, this is the way to go. |
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UT, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:22:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vxtip545: How the hell did Arizona get a Democrat governor? Illegals and transplants I assume. Fraud.. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:23:23 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: Oh wow, so you can kill babies in AZ again? How exciting! Now that republicans have passed lefty laws now the republicans can win again!!! Yay for "us"! |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:23:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: Oh wow, so you can kill babies in AZ again? How exciting! Why do you hate freedom bro? |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:23:54 AM EDT
[#11]
Yippee! Kill all the babies! It's women's health care, don't you know.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:27:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vxtip545: How the hell did Arizona get a Democrat governor? Illegals and transplants I assume. Arizona was never "Red" in anything but presidential elections. The state's registered breakdown is almost completely 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 Independent, Republican & Dem. Look back at our governors. Since 1975 we've had more Dems than Reps. And of our R governors, one was indicted (Symmington), one was insane (Meachem) and one only became gov because the Dem went to Washington (Brewer) The AG's are about the same. Since 1975 there has been 5 Dem AG's to 4 Rep. Senators as well. People like Hayden and Deconcini spent as much time in office anyone. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:28:41 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Obo2]
[#13]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emeoba69: I was told all the anti abortion people want in overturning Roe was making it a states’ rights issue. Well…. I am not sure who told you that. Maybe that is the outwardly stated republican goal but anyone who is actually pro life/anti abortion/ an abortion abolitionist would generally say their goal is to outlaw the murder of innocent children. A law from the 1800s has little to do with anything anyone says today. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:41:16 AM EDT
[Last Edit: jtskier11]
[#14]
Oh, look. They baby killers used "reproductive" and "health" in a sentence together to help defend their fetish.........
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USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:41:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: I am not sure who told you that. Maybe that is the outwardly stated republican goal but anyone who is actually pro life/anti abortion/ an abortion abolitionist would generally say their goal is to outlaw the murder of innocent children. It reminds me of the hate campaign against Gardasil (the HPV vaccine to prevent cervical cancer). Everyone telling me how horrible and dangerous it was was some sort of religious wacko who really just wanted to terrorize young people with "you might get cancer if you fuck too much! It's God's judgment against sinners!" |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:42:45 AM EDT
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How can a governor, with a pen, repeal a century old law?
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:43:54 AM EDT
[Last Edit: rodical]
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What is reproductive health in abortion???
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:44:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZuoZongtang: How can a governor, with a pen, repeal a century old law? Because both houses of the legislature approved a bill doing so and it was sent to her. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:45:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZuoZongtang: How can a governor, with a pen, repeal a century old law? The legislature did it. Governor just signed it. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:46:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: cavedog]
[#20]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZuoZongtang: How can a governor, with a pen, repeal a century old law? By signing a bill passed by the state legislature? eta: too slow by two posts and two minutes. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:47:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vxtip545: How the hell did Arizona get a Democrat governor? Illegals and transplants I assume. By running Kari Lake as the GOP nominee |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:47:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By rodical: What is reproductive health in abortion??? Like most laws... they give it a cutesy name that usually means the opposite. |
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USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:50:21 AM EDT
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Should anyone be surprised? Abortion isn’t a constitutional question so it was sent back to the states to deal with if they so choose. Arizona chose to do so and half of arfcom is up in arms about the state doing exactly what the USSC said should be done.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:52:17 AM EDT
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Does this mean they'll stop running the ads blaming Trump for AZ's abortion law?
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:52:59 AM EDT
[#25]
Hallelujah! That means Trump can win AZ now. Right?
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:54:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vxtip545: How the hell did Arizona get a Democrat governor? Illegals and transplants I assume. It was CA's fault. 
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:55:05 AM EDT
[Last Edit: uncle_big_green]
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In a purple state you have 2 possible outcomes.
Electoral votes go to the D and the A word is legal. Electoral votes go to the R and the A word is legal. There are no other possible outcomes. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:55:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 80085: Should anyone be surprised? Abortion isn’t a constitutional question so it was sent back to the states to deal with if they so choose. Arizona chose to do so and half of arfcom is up in arms about the state doing exactly what the USSC said should be done. AZ had already chosen to do so, we had a 15 week law that the AZ supreme court said was overruled by a territorial law from the 1860s, which predated AZ's statehood that completely banned abortion. This law simply brings back the status quo, more or less. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:57:41 AM EDT
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I like how they say stuff like victory for women’s reproductive health….just be honest and say “Today I repealed this law, let’s get back to murdering some babies!”
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Posted: 5/3/2024 10:58:08 AM EDT
[#30]
You shouldn't have to have ID to vote everyone knows that's racist and anti-immigrant
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:04:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vxtip545: How the hell did Arizona get a Democrat governor? Illegals and transplants I assume. We have had a lot of Dem Governors. Part of the problem is that most of our Republican Governors were as corrupt as Democrats. It didn't help that they were Mormons which increases the risk of corruption greatly. Although I shouldn't just pick on Mormons, in general the more religious the more corrupt for some reason. It is one of those things that doesn't seem to make sense at first, but makes sense once you see what happens in reality. Just like outlawing guns doesn't reduce 'gun violence.' 
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:08:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By realwar: It was CA's fault. Somewhat. The Phoenix area has become the new "Inland Empire" for those in CA that can't afford to live in the coastal counties. Now they can't even afford to live in the original "Inland Empire" of Riverside/Bernadino County and are moving to Phoenix.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:09:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 80085: Should anyone be surprised? Abortion isn’t a constitutional question so it was sent back to the states to deal with if they so choose. Arizona chose to do so and half of arfcom is up in arms about the state doing exactly what the USSC said should be done. Unborn humans being considered people absolutely is a constitutional question. That's not what was put before the ussc |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:10:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Imzadi: Easy to win when you count the votes. There is video of her walking around supervising the vote count. You can't make this up. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:12:41 AM EDT
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Those they can't kill in the womb they sterilize with trans drugs. Those they can't sterilize they will euthanize.
Democrats are the party of death. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:22:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Emeoba69: I was told all the anti abortion people want in overturning Roe was making it a states’ rights issue. Well…. You were told incorrectly. The right to life is inalienable and universal. Better to leave it to the States than to mandate nationwide that abortion be legal and that such rights be forfeit to the unborn entirely. But that does not mean that States should be able to use legislation or judicial fiat to legalize murder. They should not. The equal protection clause can plausibly be read to prohibit legalized abortion wherever murder for those born is illegal. Of course, it requires legislation to be enforced, but such legislation is objectively good and desirable. And in any case, what can be legitimate about a government dehumanizing and permitting the murder of any class of persons? Such a state has forfeited its own reason for being. Within the States, certainly such laws that make abortion legal are wrong and the laws should be changed to reflect this, and where they already do, they ought to be preserved. This repeal is unfortunate and obviously will cost lives, as legalized abortion has been the post-war West's holocaust. All it took was a handful of cowardly or poorly principled/unprincipled Republicans to get this passed. They deserve severe condemnation at minimum. All we can hope at this point is that it takes enough steam out of the effort to amend AZ's constitution to make unrestricted abortion the law of the land. There are, sadly, a growing number of people here just fine with killing children or at least allowing it, reflecting immorality and scumbaggery of the highest order. I've noticed it, especially, among the national populist types. More and more these types increase the gap between conservatives and others on the far Right such as myself and them, although given that they subscribe to some Leftist ideas as part of their fundamentals, even if they usually do not realize it, I suppose it should not be surprising. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:24:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast: According to our resident political science PHDs who have worked on numerous campaigns here in GD, this is the way to go. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By ZitiForBreakfast: Originally Posted By 3one5: Oh wow, so you can kill babies in AZ again? How exciting! According to our resident political science PHDs who have worked on numerous campaigns here in GD, this is the way to go. Some people are ends-justify-means relativists who happen to just like more Rightist ideas than Leftist in some areas and care more about political expediency than what is right and just; an ever-growing crowd here in GD. It's pretty disgusting, actually. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:26:05 AM EDT
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Liberals: "Brave enough to kill our unborn children, just not brave enough to kill our enemies."
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:27:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Taft: Liberals: "Brave enough to kill our unborn children, just not brave enough to kill our enemies." The innocent have no voice; the guilty (convicted murderers) have the ACLU. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:27:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: Like most laws... they give it a cutesy name that usually means the opposite. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By klinc: Originally Posted By rodical: What is reproductive health in abortion??? Like most laws... they give it a cutesy name that usually means the opposite. The Left loves euphemisms and redefinitions and they have been trying their utmost to redefine elective abortion as fundamental healthcare and highlighting a few examples of medically necessary abortions not performed as examples of what happens when laws restricting abortion are passed even though the laws did not actually prohibit them (with some cases being clear malpractice). |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:29:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 80085: Should anyone be surprised? Abortion isn’t a constitutional question so it was sent back to the states to deal with if they so choose. Arizona chose to do so and half of arfcom is up in arms about the state doing exactly what the USSC said should be done. The Supreme Court was not really empowered to do more than that given the case before them. Doesn't mean what Arizona did was right or something it should be able to do under the Constitution or on basic principles of sound governance. |
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AZ, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:31:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JLH3: Arizona was never "Red" in anything but presidential elections. The state's registered breakdown is almost completely 1/3, 1/3, 1/3 Independent, Republican & Dem. Look back at our governors. Since 1975 we've had more Dems than Reps. And of our R governors, one was indicted (Symmington), one was insane (Meachem) and one only became gov because the Dem went to Washington (Brewer) The AG's are about the same. Since 1975 there has been 5 Dem AG's to 4 Rep. Senators as well. People like Hayden and Deconcini spent as much time in office anyone. While all of the above is true, this particular (D) governor made it to office through fraud. Also until very recently the average (D) governor in AZ was well to the right of a typical (R) elected official east of the Mississippi, so it's apples and oranges. Babbit and Mofford would be unrecognizable as (D) candidates by today's standards. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:31:55 AM EDT
[#43]
I guess the voters got what they wanted
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:32:22 AM EDT
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About time AZ made it into the 21st century.
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:35:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By vxtip545: How the hell did Arizona get a Democrat governor? Illegals and transplants I assume. We alternate between putting MAGA loons and political hacks from the McCain wing on the ballot, and then act surprised when we don’t win. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:35:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Obo2: A law from the 1800s has little to do with anything anyone says today. So a law that is old has little to do with anything anyone says today? How about ones put into the constitution. Say… around 1791? |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:39:13 AM EDT
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Good. I dont want people like that bringing another shitty generation in this world. Less shit-heads to deal w in the future. As a matter of fact, Im all for sterilization of the left…
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:39:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By FightingHellfish: We alternate between putting MAGA loons and political hacks from the McCain wing on the ballot, and then act surprised when we don’t win.  Attached File |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:44:35 AM EDT
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Any time you authorize the killing of an entire class of people based on some arbitrary parameter, there is no reason to think the government will stop there.
And that's all abortion is: government condoned murder of an entire class of people who have done nothing wrong, using some arbitrary parameter as the justification. |
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Posted: 5/3/2024 11:45:26 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 3one5: Oh wow, so you can kill babies in AZ again? How exciting! |
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