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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:50:03 AM EDT
[Last Edit: CreamCheesePizza]
Alabama wins purple state legislature seat, running primarily on abortion rights.
32 point swing from 2022. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/03/26/abortion-winning-strategy-alabama-democrat-00149205 |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:51:24 AM EDT
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Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on.
It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:54:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 It's definitely hurting Republicans a lot, but I'm not sure if it will cost them the 2024 election. Biden's incompetence and senility, plus backlash against illegals, has a chance to offset it. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:56:52 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thunderw21]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 We've murdered over 70 million babies the last 50 years. How many more should we murder before Republicans start winning again? |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:57:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By governmentman: It's definitely hurting Republicans a lot, but I'm not sure if it will cost them the 2024 election. Biden's incompetence and senility, plus backlash against illegals, has a chance to offset it. Never underestimate some women's desire to murder their own child. Or their perception that she is a "strong, independent woman" for doing so. |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:58:50 AM EDT
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Once Republicans change all their values to be identical to Democrats “to win elections”, why should I vote for Republicans?
Does a Republican holding a seat have any value if they vote the same way, and hold the same values as a Democrat? |
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SC, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:59:13 AM EDT
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Im seeing the increase the retirement age thing a lot.
Young people on social media are being told they cant retire until 70 if republicans win. Larry Fink from blackrock was going on about it this morning as well. You know he wants a Biden win to rebuild the Ukraine. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 8:59:43 AM EDT
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Conservatism isn't really about politics anymore.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:00:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Never underestimate some women's desire to murder their own child. Or their perception that she is a "strong, independent woman" for doing so. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Originally Posted By governmentman: It's definitely hurting Republicans a lot, but I'm not sure if it will cost them the 2024 election. Biden's incompetence and senility, plus backlash against illegals, has a chance to offset it. Never underestimate some women's desire to murder their own child. Or their perception that she is a "strong, independent woman" for doing so. Brainwashed Whores . I wonder if they go to church on Sundays… probably not . |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:01:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colt1860: Conservatism isn't really about politics anymore. Conservatism is really just an empty word these days., federally speaking. I do believe there are still some good ones at state level. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:01:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: Brainwashed Whores . I wonder if they go to church on Sundays… probably not . What should be their punishment in that case? |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:02:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: Brainwashed Whores . I wonder if they go to church on Sundays… probably not . I'm sure there is some apostate church out there to reassure them. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:03:05 AM EDT
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FPNI
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:04:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Never underestimate some women's desire to murder their own child. Or their perception that she is a "strong, independent woman" for doing so. This, I know plenty of conservative women who voted Democrat in the 2022 election specifically because of abortion. One tole me "I would probably never do it, but i want to have the ability to do it" |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:05:35 AM EDT
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This country and its people sure love murdering innocent babies. When we hit 100 million babies murdered do we get a party?
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:06:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By neostoicism: Once Republicans change all their values to be identical to Democrats “to win elections”, why should I vote for Republicans? Does a Republican holding a seat have any value if they vote the same way, and hold the same values as a Democrat? Getting 100% of what you want and denying the other side everything has never been how politics works. We've never had a situation where we won an election so the other side had to get on boats and leave the country. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:06:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: We've murdered over 70 million babies the last 50 years. How many more do we have to murder before Republicans start winning again? It's simple, don't talk about it, don't talk about restricting it, don't talk about outright banning it during elections. is lose lose for republicans. Just like the democrats hawk about gun control, but then it's barely a subject during their election campaigns. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:06:32 AM EDT
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Madison County’s growth is fueled by the government jobs.
In 2 years both people from northern Virginia will be there to make it solid blue. She didn’t win the south, she won once enough people moved in to put her in office. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:06:59 AM EDT
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What a stupid hill to die on.
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:07:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: I'm sure there is some apostate church out there to reassure them. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Originally Posted By DDDDCheapAF: Brainwashed Whores . I wonder if they go to church on Sundays… probably not . I'm sure there is some apostate church out there to reassure them. Ah yes “ New Age “ to the rescue. This aint yo Daddys church, Girl ! You deserve to be happy , Bitch !!! Hallelujah! |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:10:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 This, win first, implement policy after you win a majority and the POTUS. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:19:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thunderw21]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: It's simple, don't talk about it, don't talk about restricting it, don't talk about outright banning it during elections. is lose lose for republicans. Just like the democrats hawk about gun control, but then it's barely a subject during their election campaigns. Ah, so roll over like a bitch and hope something happens, like we've done for decades? When do we actually get to talk about it? Republicans had control of congress 2 years under Trump and nothing happened. Republicans aren't going to abolish abortion because they profit from it being an issue. We let abortion exist for 50 years. We were too gutless to do anything then, and over 70 million babies were murdered. We tried that strategy and it led to a genocide. We need to talk about it constantly. Never stop talking about it. Confront the culture. Let the gutless Republicans lose. They weren't going to do anything anyways. Winnow the chaff from the wheat. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:20:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By olivers_AR: This, win first, implement policy after you win a majority and the POTUS. Like they did when the Rs controlled congress for 2 years under Trump? Laughable. |
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PA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:21:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By olivers_AR: This, win first, implement policy after you win a majority and the POTUS. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By olivers_AR: Originally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 This, win first, implement policy after you win a majority and the POTUS. Or, and hear me out, leave it between the woman and her religion. Forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term through force will always be an overall loser, both ethically and at the polls. From a legal perspective, leave it at "civil rights and personhood are bestowed at birth." |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:22:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: Ah, so roll over like a bitch and hope something happens, like we've done for decades?When do we actually get to talk about it? Republicans had control of congress 2 years under Trump and nothing happened. Republicans aren't going to abolish abortion because they profit from it being an issue. We let abortion exist for 50 years. We were too gutless to do anything then, and over 70 million babies were murdered. We tried that strategy and it led to a genocide. We need to talk about it constantly. Never stop talking about it. Confront the culture. Let the gutless Republicans lose. They weren't going to do anything anyways. Winnow the chaff from the wheat. Roe vs. Wade concealed peoples real views on abortion and reproductive rights. Now that the SC took the hood off, I think its pretty clear that Americans by and large support abortion rights. Especially now that some of those evangelical states dipped too deeply and started going after the pill and IFV, which is frankly an insane thing to do. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:24:51 AM EDT
[Last Edit: PTR32Sooner]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: Ah, so roll over like a bitch and hope something happens, like we've done for decades? When do we actually get to talk about it? Republicans had control of congress 2 years under Trump and nothing happened. Republicans aren't going to abolish abortion because they profit from it being an issue. We let abortion exist for 50 years. We were too gutless to do anything then, and over 70 million babies were murdered. We tried that strategy and it led to a genocide. We need to talk about it constantly. Never stop talking about it. Confront the culture. Let the gutless Republicans lose. They weren't going to do anything anyways. Winnow the chaff from the wheat. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: Originally Posted By PTR32Sooner: It's simple, don't talk about it, don't talk about restricting it, don't talk about outright banning it during elections. is lose lose for republicans. Just like the democrats hawk about gun control, but then it's barely a subject during their election campaigns. Ah, so roll over like a bitch and hope something happens, like we've done for decades? When do we actually get to talk about it? Republicans had control of congress 2 years under Trump and nothing happened. Republicans aren't going to abolish abortion because they profit from it being an issue. We let abortion exist for 50 years. We were too gutless to do anything then, and over 70 million babies were murdered. We tried that strategy and it led to a genocide. We need to talk about it constantly. Never stop talking about it. Confront the culture. Let the gutless Republicans lose. They weren't going to do anything anyways. Winnow the chaff from the wheat. Do this, and Republican's will never win another election. If R's could get off their high horse and agree to abortion, say 1st trimester, they could completely end the debate and claim a win. |
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WI, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:24:53 AM EDT
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Adapt or die.
Just like gun control. If you don’t like guns, fine. Don’t own one. If you don’t like abortion, fine. Don’t get one. Just don’t micromanage what I can do and own. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:25:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colt1860: Getting 100% of what you want and denying the other side everything has never been how politics works. We've never had a situation where we won an election so the other side had to get on boats and leave the country. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Colt1860: Originally Posted By neostoicism: Once Republicans change all their values to be identical to Democrats “to win elections”, why should I vote for Republicans? Does a Republican holding a seat have any value if they vote the same way, and hold the same values as a Democrat? Getting 100% of what you want and denying the other side everything has never been how politics works. We've never had a situation where we won an election so the other side had to get on boats and leave the country. Really? Maybe not for the GOP but that's the winning game-plan for Dems. Once a state goes hard left, plenty of outright denials of 2nd Amendment rights going on right now. CA, OR, NY, IL, WA is the guide. |
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:26:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: This, I know plenty of conservative women who voted Democrat in the 2022 election specifically because of abortion. One tole me "I would probably never do it, but i want to have the ability to do it" Ask them why they probably would never do it. Then ask them why they want to be able to do it. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:29:09 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thunderw21]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: Roe vs. Wade concealed peoples real views on abortion and reproductive rights. Now that the SC took the hood off, I think its pretty clear that Americans by and large support abortion rights. Especially now that some of those evangelical states dipped too deeply and started going after the pill and IFV, which is frankly an insane thing to do. I don't care if most Americans support baby murder. It's still evil. Allowing people (who would never vote R in the first place) to murdered innocent babies in a futile attempt to get weak-willed Rs into office is the most insane and futile utilitarian strategy around. Yes, let's tiptoe around the Leftists, make sure we don't upset them while they sacrifice children so that we can get the likes of Mitch McConnell into office. Brilliant. If defending innocent children is what takes down the Rrpublican Party, so be it. If that happens, then America as we know it is too far gone and not worth saving. The Republicans aren't going to save it anyways. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:29:58 AM EDT
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Just a thought. If all babies are indeed God’s children perhaps one might consider moving to India and getting to work.
17 million there vs 1 million annually in the US. |
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NH, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:31:07 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesTheScot: Ask them why they probably would never do it. Then ask them why they want to be able to do it. I would posit the answers would somewhat coincide with my stance on the COVID vax. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:33:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Do this, and Republican's will never win another election. If R's could get off their high horse and agree to abortion, say 1st trimester, they could completely end the debate and claim a win. Then they don't deserve to win another election. Yes, just keep giving up ground on issues. Have you ever noticed things always slide to the Left and never to the Right? That's because the Right always does what you are saying, and gives up a little piece here, a little piece there, until it has no ground upon which to stand. The Republican Party of today is where the Democrats were 20 years ago. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:34:14 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: I don't care if most Americans support baby murder. It's still evil. Allowing people (who would never vote R in the first place) to murdered innocent babies in a futile attempt to get weak-willed Rs into office is the most insane and futile utilitarian strategy around. Yes, let's tiptoe around the Leftists, make sure we don't upset them while they sacrifice children so that we can get the likes of Mitch McConnell into office. Brilliant. If defending innocent children is what takes down the Rrpublican Party, so be it. If that happens, then America as we know it is too far gone and not worth saving. The Republicans aren't going to save it anyways. That's your view, others have theirs. Please stop forcing your views on others. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:34:18 AM EDT
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This abortion issue is dragging some conservative women towards the Democrats. This really pissed a lot of every day women off. Especially Idaho with outlawing all abortion, except in emergency.
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USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:34:22 AM EDT
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Republicans can either change their abortion position or continue to lose elections . . . meaning they will also continue to lose on issues like immigration and guns, trans crap, DEI, foreign wars, tax policy, surveillance, and on and on and on.
It's a stupid hill to die on, but die on it the right will. It's idiotic. Abortion will continue, just with a bigger liberal majority in power, and all other rights will be gone as well. Then, the right can brag about their moral superiority while paying even more taxes and funding everything they despise. |
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FM, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:34:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: It's simple, don't talk about it, don't talk about restricting it, don't talk about outright banning it during elections. is lose lose for republicans. Just like the democrats hawk about gun control, but then it's barely a subject during their election campaigns. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Originally Posted By thunderw21: We've murdered over 70 million babies the last 50 years. How many more do we have to murder before Republicans start winning again? It's simple, don't talk about it, don't talk about restricting it, don't talk about outright banning it during elections. is lose lose for republicans. Just like the democrats hawk about gun control, but then it's barely a subject during their election campaigns. Yeah, of course it doesn't help that during election years the media use abortion to beat Republicans over the head or just say "anti-abortion republican.....". Meanwhile they will never question a democrat about all the guns they want to ban at election time either. |
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IA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:36:13 AM EDT
[Last Edit: thunderw21]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CreamCheesePizza: That's your view, others have theirs. Please stop forcing your views on others. Nice subjective morality. Please stop supporting genocide. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:36:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gtsteve03: Really? Maybe not for the GOP but that's the winning game-plan for Dems. Once a state goes hard left, plenty of outright denials of 2nd Amendment rights going on right now. CA, OR, NY, IL, WA is the guide. The difference there is that they're winning. We can't lose the culture and lose elections and still expect to get our way. Holding our breath and stomping our little feet isn't going to work. We especially can't say that if we don't get exactly what we want in the way that we want to get it or else we're going to refuse to play. The left will gladly accept those terms. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:37:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JimEb: Adapt or die. Just like gun control. If you don’t like guns, fine. Don’t own one. If you don’t like abortion, fine. Don’t get one. Just don’t micromanage what I can do and own. Which one is explicitly protected by the Constitution? |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:38:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By thunderw21: Nice subjective morality. Please stop supporting genocide. Please stop forcing women to give birth against their will. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:38:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesTheScot: Ask them why they probably would never do it. Then ask them why they want to be able to do it. Because it is a choice that should rest entirely with the woman, in consultation with whomever she wishes, depending on circumstances that may be completely unpredictable and unfortunate. Not a decision to be made some fat old men in the legislature for her. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:38:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Carpe_Carp: Republicans can either change their abortion position or continue to lose elections . . . meaning they will also continue to lose on issues like immigration and guns, trans crap, DEI, foreign wars, tax policy, surveillance, and on and on and on. It's a stupid hill to die on, but die on it the right will. It's idiotic. Abortion will continue, just with a bigger liberal majority in power, and all other rights will be gone as well. Then, the right can brag about their moral superiority while paying even more taxes and funding everything they despise. So just become a democrat. Got it. 
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:38:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By foxxnhound: This abortion issue is dragging some conservative women towards the Democrats. This really pissed a lot of every day women off. Especially Idaho with outlawing all abortion, except in emergency. Been trying to tell them. But for some, it’s the hill to die one. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:39:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By macros73: Or, and hear me out, leave it between the woman and her religion. Forcing a woman to carry a pregnancy to term through force will always be an overall loser, both ethically and at the polls. From a legal perspective, leave it at "civil rights and personhood are bestowed at birth." Allowing a mother to murder her baby is the ethical choice? What about the unalienable right to life. You know, the FIRST thing our forefathers ever mentioned in kicking off the USA? GD gonna GD. |
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:40:26 AM EDT
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Really bad so many women have no problem killing babies!
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FL, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:42:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: This, I know plenty of conservative women who voted Democrat in the 2022 election specifically because of abortion. One tole me "I would probably never do it, but i want to have the ability to do it" Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Originally Posted By AXE0FWAR: Never underestimate some women's desire to murder their own child. Or their perception that she is a "strong, independent woman" for doing so. This, I know plenty of conservative women who voted Democrat in the 2022 election specifically because of abortion. One tole me "I would probably never do it, but i want to have the ability to do it" Those women aren’t conservative. |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:43:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner:This, I know plenty of conservative women who voted Democrat in the 2022 election specifically because of abortion. One tole me "I would probably never do it, but i want to have the ability to do it" Pretty sure this will end with the RvW days being overall less permissive of abortion than whatever we wind up with after the abolitionists get used as a reverse Libs of TikTok for every dem campaign ad. |
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GA, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:43:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By PTR32Sooner: Abortion is the hill Republicans are going to die on. It cost them 2022 and it's going to cost them in 2024 Worth it. If babies have to die to keep open a free market and personal liberty we're already damned. |
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ME, USA
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:45:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By -Obsessed-: Allowing a mother to murder her baby is the ethical choice? What about the unalienable right to life. You know, the FIRST thing our forefathers ever mentioned in kicking off the USA? GD gonna GD. Should a woman be forced to give birth to their rapists child? Should a child who was raped forced to give birth? What about nonviable births? Births that may pose a risk to the life of the mother? |
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Posted: 3/27/2024 9:45:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesTheScot: Ask them why they probably would never do it. Then ask them why they want to be able to do it. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By JamesTheScot: Originally Posted By PTR32Sooner: This, I know plenty of conservative women who voted Democrat in the 2022 election specifically because of abortion. One tole me "I would probably never do it, but i want to have the ability to do it" Ask them why they probably would never do it. Then ask them why they want to be able to do it. No woman wants to be told what they can or cant do when a completely life changing event happens like a pregnancy . Im not agreeing with it or disagreeing with it. Im sure Ill get flamed for it but thats the facts. I like the idea of the morning after pill myself and even its being threatened. |
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