Originally Posted By Everrest:
From the fox article:
Reminds me of the following exchange (skip  to 2:36)
McHenry to AG Holder: 13 Months After The Fact, What Action Will You Take & When?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7aC9hB0gfc

Originally Posted By Hedonist:
 

Originally Posted By polymer4me:

Kind of reminds me of Whitey Bulger, the Irish mob boss from south Boston, who the FBI protected for over a decade during the 80's and early 90s (while allowing him to continue running the Irish mob). Now, over two decades later, we see the FBI is still up to their old tricks

Originally Posted By Gatorhunt:


Are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?




Sorry, I'm a little impatient.
 

Originally Posted By polymer4me:
I believe God is removing His hand of protection from our once great nation. We were founded on Judea-Christian beliefs, the Bible and God Himself. Fast forward to the late 50's/early 60's and we saw the beginning of God being removed from everything in our country. As one well known pastor said many years ago, "If God doesn't hurry up and judge America, He's going to owe Sodom and Gomorrah an apology".

I believe this is true.

Originally Posted By MattDamnit:


We were founded on Religious freedom actually...

Originally Posted By scottedward58:


"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political
institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of
God."
James Madison

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure
(and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."
Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence

"If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instruction
and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity."
Daniel Webster

Originally Posted By hugh1:
People, you will get little or no argument from me on the above discussion of Christianity roll in the US government,  however this is a thread on ATF Gun Walking, please stick to the topic.

Thanks

Originally Posted By limaxray:


Translation for the general public:  Look, we're DOING SOMETHING!  Look at our survey, it shows how much we CARE!  Pay no attention to that corruption behind the curtain!

Any bets on whether the results of this survey are A) accurate, and B) if they are, ever see the light of day?

Originally Posted By RocketmanOU:
Foxnews frontpage: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/26/internal-memo-shows-atf-rank-and-file-dont-trust-brass/

"I gave them a low rating," said an ATF manager who spoke to FoxNews.com on condition of anonymity.

"In the midst of the Fast and Furious investigation... [ATF leadership] sent a letter to Senator [Charles] Grassley [R-Iowa], saying ‘these whistleblowers are lying,’" he explained. "There's no integrity."

He added that while ATF says it has now replaced old leadership with new players, the old leaders never get fired.

"Where are we, 15, 16 months outside of Brian Terry's murder? Nobody's been held accountable for anything," he said, referring to a border patrol agent who was killed with an illegal weapon that was allowed to enter Mexico as part of operation Fast and Furious.

Originally Posted By david_g17:


excerpt:

The Justice Department has told Republican lawmakers it will be careful about responding to future requests for information about a botched gun-tracing operation after sensitive law enforcement information leaked to the media.

Assistant Attorney General for Legislative Affairs Ronald Weich wrote to Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.) and Sen. Charles Grassley (R-Iowa) Friday, saying that the  information appeared in the news after the Justice Department shared it with members of Congress as part of their inquiry into the Fast and Furious operation.

Ronald Weich, Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legislative Affairs (photo by Ryan J. Reilly / Main Justice)

“While we do not know who provided these letters to reporters, we are deeply disturbed that the sensitive law-enforcement information contained in them has now entered the public realm,” Weich wrote, according to a CNN report. “This public disclosure is impeding the departments’ efforts to hold individuals accountable for their illegal acts.”

Last week, a Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives investigation report was dissected in the news, showing that a top Fast and Furious suspect, Manuel Celis-Acosta, was detained and questioned but ultimately released.

In his letter, Weich said he would be denying the lawmakers’s further requests for documents pertaining to ongoing operations in order to safeguard their integrity.

WASHINGTON – U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder and Mexican Attorney General Marisela Morales Ibáñez today signed a letter of intent for the United States to share approximately $6 million in forfeited funds with the Office of the Attorney General of the Republic of Mexico (PGR) to support Mexican efforts to combat the financial infrastructure of organized criminal groups and to enhance bilateral cooperation between the two countries in forfeiture matters.

The letter of intent and anticipated fund sharing recognizes the PGR’s valuable cooperation in the investigation and resolution of the U.S. government’s case against Sigue Corporation for violations of the Bank Secrecy Act.  In January 2008, Sigue entered into a deferred prosecution agreement with the Department of Justice on charges of failing to maintain an effective anti-money laundering program.  As a result, Sigue forfeited $15 million to the United States and agreed to commit an additional $9.7 million to improving its anti-money laundering program.

“The Department of Justice and the Mexican PGR have built strong and collaborative working relationships in order to combat transnational organized criminal groups,” said Attorney General Holder.  “Our intention to share approximately $6 million in forfeited assets with our Mexican counterparts reflects another step forward in our successful crime prevention and public safety efforts.  In an era where crime is not limited by physical boundaries, our international partnerships are more critical than ever in the work of bringing criminals to justice.” 

As outlined in the letter of intent, the PGR and the Department of Justice, through the Criminal Division’s Asset Forfeiture and Money Laundering Section (AFMLS), will negotiate the specific terms of the Sigue case sharing agreement and establish respective Executive Sharing Committees designed to negotiate and oversee the sharing, delivery, transfer and disbursement of the forfeited funds.

The shared assets will be used to strengthen and support the PGR’s capacity to investigate and prosecute domestic and bilateral money laundering crimes, as well as Mexico’s ability to forfeit the proceeds of crime.  This initiative is designed to complement ongoing bilateral efforts to increase pressure on the economic resources of the criminal organizations that operate in Mexico and along the U.S./Mexico border.

The case, filed in the Eastern District of Missouri, arose out of transactions conducted by Sigue and its authorized agents from November 2003 through March 2005.  During this time, more than $24.7 million in suspicious transactions were conducted through registered agents of Sigue, including transactions conducted by undercover U.S. law enforcement agents using funds represented to be proceeds of drug trafficking.  Sigue did not identify broader patterns of money laundering activity, failed to prevent the unlawful activity from continuing and did not create systems and procedures to identify suspicious financial transactions being conducted by related senders and beneficiaries.

The Sigue forfeiture resulted from a case prosecuted by AFMLS and was investigated by the Drug Enforcement Administration and Internal Revenue Service. 

12-375Attorney General

Originally Posted By Everrest:
Mainjustice: DOJ 'Deeply Disturbed' by Leaked Fast and Furious Information
More at link.

Originally Posted By Everrest:
Mainjustice: DOJ 'Deeply Disturbed' by Leaked Fast and Furious Information
More at link.

Originally Posted By NoloContendere:
they leaked that shit themselves guaranfuckingteed just so they could go screaming to cummings/media and tell them "ohhh! the mean old nasty republican staff leaked our LE sensitive documents"

Originally Posted By miker84:


You might be onto something there. They've been like Fort Knox in terms of stuff getting out. We still haven't seen anyone in MainJustice who wants to blab, but we've seen plenty throw themselves onto swords for EH.

Originally Posted By Everrest:
Mainjustice: DOJ 'Deeply Disturbed' by Leaked Fast and Furious Information
More at link.

Originally Posted By Gatorhunt:







Are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet? are we there yet?
Sorry, I'm a little impatient.

 

Originally Posted By miker84:
Weich. What a d-bag. I've been face-to-face with that sob and he is 100% full of BS.
My dad was a Gunny and he used to say that some people just had a face that made you want to slap the sh*t out of them. Weich is one of those people.

Originally Posted By NoloContendere:


i'll put money on it.  that way, they can say "we released some stuff to you, and look what happened.  we aren't going to play anymore"

Originally Posted By Everrest:
Foxnews: Operation Fast and Furious investigation escalates as ATF, FBI disconnect revealed
more at link (video).

Originally Posted By wunbadweel:


Concur, albeit in my usually jaded and guarded-optimism manner.

Originally Posted By polymer4me:
And IIRC, the Miramontes brothers (although we didn't know the name back then) were being discussed about 100 pages back in this thread. We were perplexed as to why the FBI seemed to be protecting them. It was assumed they were CI's.

Then someone here pointed out (in a rather humorous way) that it wouldn't be very difficult to figure out who they really were. Two Mexican brothers, tied to the Sinaloa Cartel, one of which was missing an arm. Even the Keystone Cops could have solved that mystery.

Now we come to find out, they weren't just some low level CI's. They were, in fact, tied right into the "big fish" the ATF were supposedly looking for. And tied to the rip crew that killed Brian Terry.  And the whole time they were under the protection of the FBI. Yeah, this is BIG.

Kind of reminds me of Whitey Bulger, the Irish mob boss from south Boston, who the FBI protected for over a decade during the 80's and early 90s (while allowing him to continue running the Irish mob). Now, over two decades later, we see the FBI is still up to their old tricks

Calling Speaker Boehner, calling Speaker Boehner ... is anyone out there? Is anyone home? Are you listening? Are you even conscious? Did I mention, this is big Speaker Boehner ...  Speaker Boehner, can you hear us???

Originally Posted By wunbadweel:


Great analogy, except IIRC Bulger wasn't allowed to traverse borders in an unmonitored fashion, and might not have been directly on the hook for as many homicides.


I still have no knowledge of any cop - ANY cop - with whom I ever worked, who would've countenanced any of the miscreancies we know of, so far. But we were just city/county/State guys in a big, low-population rural area....I shudder to think what would have happened had we conducted business in this manner. Charlie-foxtrot, indeed.

Hell, I personally booked one of my best CIs after he smacked his old lady around; stupid fucker got more time for this (plus the gun in the house he wasn't supposed to have) than the dope case he had hanging.

I'm to the point where I'm not sure if keeping tabs upon this thread is killing me, or keeping me alive. I do know now, that there is such a thing as episodically unrequited rage.....

Originally Posted By scottedward58:


"We have staked the whole future of American civilization, not upon the power of government, far from it. We have staked the future of all of our political
institutions upon the capacity of each and all of us to govern ourselves, to control ourselves, to sustain ourselves according to the Ten Commandments of
God."
James Madison

"Without morals a republic cannot subsist any length of time; they therefore who are decrying the Christian religion, whose morality is so sublime and pure
(and) which insures to the good eternal happiness, are undermining the solid foundation of morals, the best security for the duration of free governments."
Charles Carroll, signer of the Declaration of Independence

"If we abide by the principles taught in the Bible, our country will go on prospering and to prosper; but if we and our posterity neglect its instruction
and authority, no man can tell how sudden a catastrophe may overwhelm us and bury all our glory in profound obscurity."
Daniel Webster

Originally Posted By VictorUnit:


Mayflower Compact says this land was founded for,

"The Glory of GOD and the advancement of the Christian Faith."

Originally Posted By 15jonshoot:
Sipsey  Street reported this:

University of Baltimore announces finalists in search for law school dean. Five candidates will visit campus starting March 26 to meet students, faculty, staff

       The University of Baltimore has selected five finalists in its search for a new law school dean.

       The candidates are: Nicholas Allard, a political lawyer at Washington firm Patton Boggs; Penelope Bryan, the dean of Whittier Law School in California; Alfredo Garcia, a professor and former dean at St. Thomas University Law School in Miami; Patricia Salkin, a professor and associate dean at Albany Law School in New York; and Ronald Weich, an assistant attorney general at the U.S. Department of Justice.

Can it get any more disgusting with this admin and their dick slobbers?

Originally Posted By RocketmanOU:
Foxnews frontpage: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/26/internal-memo-shows-atf-rank-and-file-dont-trust-brass/

Originally Posted By VictorUnit:


i feel light headed

Originally Posted By learath:
This might make things a bit clearer, and shed light on the views of some pro government people.  Consistency is good, right?

Originally Posted By Burnsy87:


I expect to get flamed hardcore for this post.

But.

In my opinion, occasionally the law does have to be bent, since the smarter/more serious criminals can figure out ways to not get arrested.  Bending is occasionally acceptable.  Breaking isn't.

No law was bent in F&F.  It was loaded into a container with C4, dropped into the ocean, and blown the mutherfuck up, then became shark shit.  There was no "bent", it was absolutely defiled and massacred.

Originally Posted By learath:


There is a huge difference between an agent making a hard call, which might be outside the law, and the FBI having a policy of "fuck the law".  The latter leads to Fast and Furious.

Originally Posted By Burnsy87:


Exactly.  As much anti-Fed hate (warranted or not) in this thread, their jobs aren't easy.  And I know some damn good, honest federal LEO's.  Not everything is spelled out, they're trained to think on their feet.

ATF supervisors also expressed concern about ICE’s use of eTrace.  The MOU states that ICE must inform ATF when ICE initiates an investigation as the result of a gun trace. This provision of the MOU seeks to deconflict agency activities. However, ICE and ATF personnel we interviewed told us that these notifications are not always made. For example, one ICE field office supervisor stated his agents do not necessarily inform ATF when they initiate an investigation based on trace results. Our analysis of gun trace data shows that in calendar year 2009, ICE submitted 84 Mexican crime guns traced to gun dealers in that Southwest border ICE supervisor’s jurisdictional area, 19 of which had a time-to-crime of less than a year. However, according to ATF field supervisors in Mexico, ICE had notified ATF of only one or two investigations it initiated based on these traces. We also found some instances of ATF personnel not fully complying with provisions of the MOU. In one field office, ATF routinely failed to notify ICE of ongoing investigations with a direct link to the border. Additionally, an ICE field supervisor sought to assign an ICE agent to two different ATF firearms trafficking groups to foster coordination and encourage the sharing of resources and information. However, ICE personnel told us that the offer was rejected by the supervisors of both ATF firearms trafficking groups.  According to the ICE supervisor, one of these ATF supervisors stated, “What can ICE do for me?” That ATF supervisor later said the same thing to the OIG. Another ATF supervisor told us that neither agency involves the other in an investigation until the case is “firm,” rather than involving the other agency early on. A senior ATF intelligence official told us, “We are in a constant struggle with ICE about stepping into each other’s jurisdiction and sharing information.” Agents are not routinely sharing information