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Posted: 12/25/2023 12:49:25 AM EDT
Previously one could click on a member's profile to view info during EE transactions. In the past one of the things shown was whether an account was "LOCKED".
It'd be damn nice to have that feature back. It has come up a few times recently in the EE, and posters have stated that they "had checked/had no idea" while agreeing to a deal that the member account was locked by Staff. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 12:52:23 AM EDT
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+1 to that suggestion.
Bigger_Hammer 
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:06:59 AM EDT
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There's a push/pull balance between what are obvious EE benefits (for the reasons you rightly gave), and pants-on-head retarded forum drama that results in GD threads, once somebody is noted as "locked".
They both suck, for different and even equal reasons. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:10:29 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subnet: There's a push/pull balance between what are obvious EE benefits (for the reasons you rightly gave), and pants-on-head retarded forum drama that results in GD threads, once somebody is noted as "locked". They both suck, for different and even equal reasons. I can see that being ever so true. "Retarded forum drama" has run rampant this year. In all of the forums. ETA: Hopefully there can be a workaround found? |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:13:04 AM EDT
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I'll add this (since I don't like to just complain) - the way to solve this, is to propose a mechanism by which a banned member is noted as such for EE purposes (this strikes me as pretty important, since we're talking about real money exchanging hands)...but isn't the source of drama elsewhere on the site. We want the EE mods and users/customers to be happy...and we want the rest of the mods and members (probably GD in particular) happy.
There are probably several innovative and creative ways to solve this. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:17:42 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subnet: -the way to solve this, is to propose a mechanism by which a banned member is noted as such for EE purposes < There are probably several innovative and creative ways to solve this. A special notation ,as a warning to buyers/sellers, would be perfect. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:18:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: I can see that being ever so true. "Retarded forum drama" has run rampant this year. In all of the forums. ETA: Hopefully there can be a workaround found? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By Subnet: There's a push/pull balance between what are obvious EE benefits (for the reasons you rightly gave), and pants-on-head retarded forum drama that results in GD threads, once somebody is noted as "locked". They both suck, for different and even equal reasons. I can see that being ever so true. "Retarded forum drama" has run rampant this year. In all of the forums. ETA: Hopefully there can be a workaround found? And all the poor EE user wants to know, is that he's not trying to do complete a deal with a guy who's straight up banned from the site. But if he knows that...so does everybody else. So yeah - it's a thing that needs some thought. IMHO, anyway. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:24:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subnet: Yeah, that's kind of the rub. A guy gets locked, nobody really knows why, they notice the "locked" tag under his profile or whatever, and then...a whole thing starts. Conspiracies abound, there is talk of shenanigans, guys that know the guy start trading off-site IMs...it all becomes a "thing". And all the poor EE user wants to know, is that he's not trying to do complete a deal with a guy who's straight up banned from the site. But if he knows that...so does everybody else. So yeah - it's a thing that needs some thought. IMHO, anyway. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subnet: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By Subnet: There's a push/pull balance between what are obvious EE benefits (for the reasons you rightly gave), and pants-on-head retarded forum drama that results in GD threads, once somebody is noted as "locked". They both suck, for different and even equal reasons. I can see that being ever so true. "Retarded forum drama" has run rampant this year. In all of the forums. ETA: Hopefully there can be a workaround found? And all the poor EE user wants to know, is that he's not trying to do complete a deal with a guy who's straight up banned from the site. But if he knows that...so does everybody else. So yeah - it's a thing that needs some thought. IMHO, anyway. I've seen it. Played out exactly as you described. As far as the suggestion, EE protection is my only concern. There's not much that I hate more than guys losing their money to shitbags. Especially if I end up being one of them. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:25:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Subnet: There's a push/pull balance between what are obvious EE benefits (for the reasons you rightly gave), and pants-on-head retarded forum drama that results in GD threads, once somebody is noted as "locked". They both suck, for different and even equal reasons. Perhaps if the entire rap sheet was published in their user profile there might be less forum drama? At one point I had 3 friends I see regularly banned; I'm down to only one now. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:30:27 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Perhaps if the entire rap sheet was published in their user profile there might be less forum drama? At one point I had 3 friends I see regularly banned; I'm down to only one now. That's almost guaranteed to prove problematic. Posting a member's B&W info would likely cause non stop shit shows. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:37:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: That sounds problematic. Posting a member's B&W info would likely cause non stop shit shows. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By backbencher: Perhaps if the entire rap sheet was published in their user profile there might be less forum drama? At one point I had 3 friends I see regularly banned; I'm down to only one now. That sounds problematic. Posting a member's B&W info would likely cause non stop shit shows. It's all problematic. But knowing only the last offense that got someone banned is why reasonable men call bullshit, without knowing of the 86 times he's been warned before. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:46:26 AM EDT
[Last Edit: TGWLDR]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: It's all problematic. But knowing only the last offense that got someone banned is why reasonable men call bullshit, without knowing of the 86 times he's been warned before. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By backbencher: Perhaps if the entire rap sheet was published in their user profile there might be less forum drama? At one point I had 3 friends I see regularly banned; I'm down to only one now. That sounds problematic. Posting a member's B&W info would likely cause non stop shit shows. It's all problematic. But knowing only the last offense that got someone banned is why reasonable men call bullshit, without knowing of the 86 times he's been warned before. This is where an EE specific notation is sensible. As suggested above by Subnet: the way to solve this, is to propose a mechanism by which a banned member is noted as such for EE purposes < |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 2:04:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: This is where an EE specific notation is sensible. As suggested above by Subnet: the way to solve this, is to propose a mechanism by which a banned member is noted as such for EE purposes < Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By backbencher: Perhaps if the entire rap sheet was published in their user profile there might be less forum drama? At one point I had 3 friends I see regularly banned; I'm down to only one now. That sounds problematic. Posting a member's B&W info would likely cause non stop shit shows. It's all problematic. But knowing only the last offense that got someone banned is why reasonable men call bullshit, without knowing of the 86 times he's been warned before. This is where an EE specific notation is sensible. As suggested above by Subnet: the way to solve this, is to propose a mechanism by which a banned member is noted as such for EE purposes < Maybe they could just IM anyone in recent correspondence w/ the banee, or someone w/ an open EE thread in which the banee has posted in, that the banee has been banned? That still risks blowback. But generally their friends know who is banned, and why. The larger problem for the site is that it appears arbitrary & capricious, and there is not a clear appeal mechanism. Hence the shit shows. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 2:19:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Maybe they could just IM anyone in recent correspondence w/ the banee, or someone w/ an open EE thread in which the banee has posted in, that the banee has been banned? That still risks blowback. But generally their friends know who is banned, and why. The larger problem for the site is that it appears arbitrary & capricious, and there is not a clear appeal mechanism. Hence the shit shows. This is geared entirely towards the EE. As far as bans/locks for whatever reasons, honestly I don't care about the what/why or anything related. The old method was the only reference point available, so that was the suggestion/request. A known mechanism. I'm absolutely sure that the EE Mods are not interested in tailing the shitbags' every move and intervening in every possible transaction as they happen in an effort to warn potential buyers/sellers. Not to mention the fact that many EE deals are solidified through private channels before any public postings. If somebody is locked from the EE, it should be readily apparent to potential buyers/sellers. How it's accomplished matters not. Just that it should be. I can think of no less than 3 members here recently stating that had they known that the member account that they dealt with was locked that they would have chosen not to commit. And all 3 are out their funds, which is bullshit. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 2:40:02 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Perhaps if the entire rap sheet was published in their user profile there might be less forum drama? At one point I had 3 friends I see regularly banned; I'm down to only one now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By Subnet: There's a push/pull balance between what are obvious EE benefits (for the reasons you rightly gave), and pants-on-head retarded forum drama that results in GD threads, once somebody is noted as "locked". They both suck, for different and even equal reasons. Perhaps if the entire rap sheet was published in their user profile there might be less forum drama? At one point I had 3 friends I see regularly banned; I'm down to only one now. But...yeah. Folks want to be angry. And they'll find reasons to be. And here we are. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 2:47:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: This is geared entirely towards the EE. As far as bans/locks for whatever reasons, honestly I don't care about the what/why or anything related. The old method was the only reference point available, so that was the suggestion/request. A known mechanism. I'm absolutely sure that the EE Mods are not interested in tailing the shitbags' every move and intervening in every possible transaction as they happen in an effort to warn potential buyers/sellers. Not to mention the fact that many EE deals are solidified through private channels before any public postings. If somebody is locked from the EE, it should be readily apparent to potential buyers/sellers. How it's accomplished matters not. Just that it should be. I can think of no less than 3 members here recently stating that had they known that the member account that they dealt with was locked that they would have chosen not to commit. And all 3 are out their funds, which is bullshit. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By backbencher: Maybe they could just IM anyone in recent correspondence w/ the banee, or someone w/ an open EE thread in which the banee has posted in, that the banee has been banned? That still risks blowback. But generally their friends know who is banned, and why. The larger problem for the site is that it appears arbitrary & capricious, and there is not a clear appeal mechanism. Hence the shit shows. This is geared entirely towards the EE. As far as bans/locks for whatever reasons, honestly I don't care about the what/why or anything related. The old method was the only reference point available, so that was the suggestion/request. A known mechanism. I'm absolutely sure that the EE Mods are not interested in tailing the shitbags' every move and intervening in every possible transaction as they happen in an effort to warn potential buyers/sellers. Not to mention the fact that many EE deals are solidified through private channels before any public postings. If somebody is locked from the EE, it should be readily apparent to potential buyers/sellers. How it's accomplished matters not. Just that it should be. I can think of no less than 3 members here recently stating that had they known that the member account that they dealt with was locked that they would have chosen not to commit. And all 3 are out their funds, which is bullshit. It is a known risk to conduct business on a platform that can suspend the account of any user without prior warning or recourse. You should secure outside identity/email/phone/address before sending funds, rather than rely on ARFCOM's IM system. Are you saying that they did business on the EE w/ a member while that member was locked? How does that happen? Or the member got locked after the transaction was started, then continued on outside comms? |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 2:52:16 AM EDT
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Maybe something flagged on replies? In other words, you already have a back and forth conversation with someone, if you reply to a locked member a message us displayed. That would keep it private unless there was already a conversation to reply to? Or when the locked account receives a message, the sender gets a notice?
Not sure if that's feasible, or if it would just create other problems. Thinking out loud. :-) |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 10:39:27 AM EDT
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I am 100% on board. I’ve not been taken on here however another group got me.
Having a notation as simple as “EE LOCK” visible on the user account would save a lot of hassle. How to go about that is beyond me, I can use the interwebs but don’t ask me to make it do the thing. 
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Posted: 12/25/2023 11:27:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: It is a known risk to conduct business on a platform that can suspend the account of any user without prior warning or recourse. You should secure outside identity/email/phone/address before sending funds, rather than rely on ARFCOM's IM system. Are you saying that they did business on the EE w/ a member while that member was locked? How does that happen? Or the member got locked after the transaction was started, then continued on outside comms? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By backbencher: Maybe they could just IM anyone in recent correspondence w/ the banee, or someone w/ an open EE thread in which the banee has posted in, that the banee has been banned? That still risks blowback. But generally their friends know who is banned, and why. The larger problem for the site is that it appears arbitrary & capricious, and there is not a clear appeal mechanism. Hence the shit shows. This is geared entirely towards the EE. As far as bans/locks for whatever reasons, honestly I don't care about the what/why or anything related. The old method was the only reference point available, so that was the suggestion/request. A known mechanism. I'm absolutely sure that the EE Mods are not interested in tailing the shitbags' every move and intervening in every possible transaction as they happen in an effort to warn potential buyers/sellers. Not to mention the fact that many EE deals are solidified through private channels before any public postings. If somebody is locked from the EE, it should be readily apparent to potential buyers/sellers. How it's accomplished matters not. Just that it should be. I can think of no less than 3 members here recently stating that had they known that the member account that they dealt with was locked that they would have chosen not to commit. And all 3 are out their funds, which is bullshit. It is a known risk to conduct business on a platform that can suspend the account of any user without prior warning or recourse. You should secure outside identity/email/phone/address before sending funds, rather than rely on ARFCOM's IM system. Are you saying that they did business on the EE w/ a member while that member was locked? How does that happen? Or the member got locked after the transaction was started, then continued on outside comms? There are too many variables involved when dealing in , essentially, an online garage sale to ensure 100% safety regarding theft/loss of funds during a transaction. I could have all of an individual's real world personal info and still have zero chance of recouping funds on a few hundred dollar transaction. This isn't geared at removing all risk, just adding a layer of protection. And, yes, IIRC the last instance in the EE that I recall, the member account was locked while in the process of multiple EE dealings. Another aspect, I have personally been contacted regarding items for sale through private comms by members locked from the EE. With no inkling that they were banned until it was revealed that they could not post/participate in trading feedback. An EE ban does not equal a Site ban, comms are still accessible. And then there is the matter of stolen accounts. A subject all it's own which could turn this into a muli page thread. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 11:28:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By gsd1983: I Having a notation as simple as “EE LOCK” visible on the user account would save a lot of hassle. Exactly. |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:20:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: There are too many variables involved when dealing in , essentially, an online garage sale to ensure 100% safety regarding theft/loss of funds during a transaction. I could have all of an individual's real world personal info and still have zero chance of recouping funds on a few hundred dollar transaction. This isn't geared at removing all risk, just adding a layer of protection. And, yes, IIRC the last instance in the EE that I recall, the member account was locked while in the process of multiple EE dealings. Another aspect, I have personally been contacted regarding items for sale through private comms by members locked from the EE. With no inkling that they were banned until it was revealed that they could not post/participate in trading feedback. An EE ban does not equal a Site ban, comms are still accessible. And then there is the matter of stolen accounts. A subject all it's own which could turn this into a muli page thread. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By backbencher: Originally Posted By TGWLDR: Originally Posted By backbencher: Maybe they could just IM anyone in recent correspondence w/ the banee, or someone w/ an open EE thread in which the banee has posted in, that the banee has been banned? That still risks blowback. But generally their friends know who is banned, and why. The larger problem for the site is that it appears arbitrary & capricious, and there is not a clear appeal mechanism. Hence the shit shows. This is geared entirely towards the EE. As far as bans/locks for whatever reasons, honestly I don't care about the what/why or anything related. The old method was the only reference point available, so that was the suggestion/request. A known mechanism. I'm absolutely sure that the EE Mods are not interested in tailing the shitbags' every move and intervening in every possible transaction as they happen in an effort to warn potential buyers/sellers. Not to mention the fact that many EE deals are solidified through private channels before any public postings. If somebody is locked from the EE, it should be readily apparent to potential buyers/sellers. How it's accomplished matters not. Just that it should be. I can think of no less than 3 members here recently stating that had they known that the member account that they dealt with was locked that they would have chosen not to commit. And all 3 are out their funds, which is bullshit. It is a known risk to conduct business on a platform that can suspend the account of any user without prior warning or recourse. You should secure outside identity/email/phone/address before sending funds, rather than rely on ARFCOM's IM system. Are you saying that they did business on the EE w/ a member while that member was locked? How does that happen? Or the member got locked after the transaction was started, then continued on outside comms? There are too many variables involved when dealing in , essentially, an online garage sale to ensure 100% safety regarding theft/loss of funds during a transaction. I could have all of an individual's real world personal info and still have zero chance of recouping funds on a few hundred dollar transaction. This isn't geared at removing all risk, just adding a layer of protection. And, yes, IIRC the last instance in the EE that I recall, the member account was locked while in the process of multiple EE dealings. Another aspect, I have personally been contacted regarding items for sale through private comms by members locked from the EE. With no inkling that they were banned until it was revealed that they could not post/participate in trading feedback. An EE ban does not equal a Site ban, comms are still accessible. And then there is the matter of stolen accounts. A subject all it's own which could turn this into a muli page thread. Oh, you're talking about folks locked out of the EE, not the entire site? |
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Posted: 12/25/2023 1:42:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By backbencher: Oh, you're talking about folks locked out of the EE, not the entire site? At a minimum. A site locked member would be counter productive as well. |
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Posted: 1/2/2024 9:51:17 PM EDT
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Alan, can you build a button that staff can click when they ban an EE scammer that puts "EE Lock" or "scammer" or "subhuman slime" or whatever is most PC near their feedback score, or replacing the feedback score entirely?
I'm sorry, I have ideas, but I don't have any idea how "doable" they are from you end. It "seems" like that would be a fairly easy way to make sure no one dealt with these guys. We have far too many valuable members getting bitten by a guy just after he is banned for being a thief. |
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Posted: 1/2/2024 10:11:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Eat_Beef: Alan, can you build a button that staff can click when they ban an EE scammer that puts "EE Lock" or "scammer" or "subhuman slime" or whatever is most PC near their feedback score, or replacing the feedback score entirely? I'm sorry, I have ideas, but I don't have any idea how "doable" they are from you end. It "seems" like that would be a fairly easy way to make sure no one dealt with these guys. We have far too many valuable members getting bitten by a guy just after he is banned for being a thief. Any indicator would be great. But I'd suggest that it commands attention for those that lack attention focus. 
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Posted: 1/5/2024 3:02:31 PM EDT
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Something we may see in the near future??
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Posted: 1/17/2024 3:22:16 PM EDT
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@Subnet
Anything in the works? |
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