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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 1:20:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KB7DX: That's great assuming the proceeds from the sales go back into the department and not lining someone's pockets. Unfortunately they'll probably be let go at cost and grifting dealers will flip them at 20-30X the price. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 1:41:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OregonShooter: An M16 is what 30k now? They vary in price depending upon the type. In general Lightning Links are around $20K, conversion registered receivers (Sendra, EA, SGW, SP1s) are about $25Kto $30K, Colt M16s and A1s are $3K5 to $40K, Colt A2 are $45K+, DIASs are $50K+ Overall $30K is a bit light unless you are looking at a lightning link or a conversion registered receiver. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 2:08:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Unfortunately they'll probably be let go at cost and grifting dealers will flip them at 20-30X the price. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Apec: Originally Posted By KB7DX: That's great assuming the proceeds from the sales go back into the department and not lining someone's pockets. Unfortunately they'll probably be let go at cost and grifting dealers will flip them at 20-30X the price. Smart departments would ask multiple dealers for bids and get close to fair market value. Previously, many would trade old transferables to dealers for an equal value in post-samples. Kharn |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 2:44:47 AM EDT
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So every form 1 that has been denied since 1986 was done so capriciously?
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Posted: 5/9/2024 2:47:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nightstalker: Seems like ATF is liking more guns out there now and silencers and SBR'S It's a tarp... |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 2:56:11 AM EDT
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Does this apply to all premay dealer samples?!?!?!?
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:03:05 AM EDT
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I was figuring 4k glock switches.
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:26:10 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By nightstalker: Seems like ATF is liking more guns out there now and silencers and SBR'S Just building in long-term employment when the gun bans hit 
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:27:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fortydelta: What would the NFATCA say about the Hughes Amendment being repealed? Why was it passed? |
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OH, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:48:33 AM EDT
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Back in the day when I bought my machine guns I got my m16's (4) and paid 500.00 ea for 2 bushmasters and 700.00 ea. for 2 colt m16 conversions.
Paid 2500.00 for a Ramo 50 bmg, 2000.00 for a Maremont M60, 1295.00 and 1395.00 for Fleming MP5's a2 and a3 conversions and 900.00 for a Fleming g3 conversion Fleming,Bushmaster, Colt and HK conversions are registered receivers and were built on brand new guns. Feel sorry for those that missed those days hopefully the prices come down for those that want to participate. |
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TX, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 8:52:11 AM EDT
[Last Edit: _DR]
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NFA and GCA are blatantly unconstitutional and need to go the fuck away.
That's all I am going to say. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 9:36:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Green_Label: Does this apply to all premay dealer samples?!?!?!? It does not apply to all pre-may dealer samples. It appears to depend upon how the post GCA 68 but pre 86 922(o) machinegun was imported. From the best information posted so far it appears that it has to be a gun directly for government use. Its unclear to me at this time if the gun had to be imported directly by a government entity (like a local PD) or if it was imported by a FFL 08 importer and shipped directly to a PD. I am not sure if there is even a mechanism for a local PD to directly import an NFA firearm without using an FFL 08 importer. So if say a MP5 was ordered by a city PD in 1980, HK USA (or whatever HK USA was called back then) imported the gun from Germany into an FTZ, the gun then drop shipped from a FTZ directly to the PD appears to now be transferable. What does appear to be a bit more clear is any pre-may machinegun imported for use as a Dealer "Sales Sample" is not transferable. So if an MP5 was imported to an FTZ by HK USA in 1980, then HK got it out of the FTZ as a sales sample and transferred it to their FFL and then never transferred it to a PD its not transferable. What is not clear is what happens if a gun was brought in as a sales sample, transferred to a FFL, a demo was done, and that gun was subsequently sold to a PD as a result of that demo. Did the subsequent PD sale wash away the sales sample stain, nobody seems to know. Back in 2016ish there was a FOID request to the ATF on the number of machineguns in the NFRTR and the result was ~175K transferables and ~17K pre-may guns. So clearly only about 25% of the previous pre-May guns are effected by this if you beleive the ~17K and ~4K numbers. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 12:13:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DumpTruck33: Back in the day when I bought my machine guns I got my m16's (4) and paid 500.00 ea for 2 bushmasters and 700.00 ea. for 2 colt m16 conversions. Paid 2500.00 for a Ramo 50 bmg, 2000.00 for a Maremont M60, 1295.00 and 1395.00 for Fleming MP5's a2 and a3 conversions and 900.00 for a Fleming g3 conversion Fleming,Bushmaster, Colt and HK conversions are registered receivers and were built on brand new guns. Feel sorry for those that missed those days hopefully the prices come down for those that want to participate. Nobody under the age of 59 has been able to fill out a Form 1 for an MG or buy one new. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 2:59:07 PM EDT
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All machine guns should be eligible to be transferable, whether on the registry or not.
No gun is illegal on stolen land. 
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AK, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 3:02:49 PM EDT
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I'm guessing it mostly MP5's. Maybe a few Tommy guns, M2's and a BAR or two thrown in. Probably a few S&W M76's and a random M3 or two.
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NE, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 3:09:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KB7DX: That's great assuming the proceeds from the sales go back into the department and not lining someone's pockets. why would it go back to the department and seriously, why would they need it, if they are short of cash they just stop someone on the highway and take everything they have as "drug proceeds" or some other bs |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:06:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: I don't think all dealer samples are being added to transferable list, just some. So I don't know that you'd be able to know if those two guns would have been included ? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By wyomingnick: Originally Posted By oscardeuce: This pisses me off When dad died I had to sell 2 as samples. They probably would now qualify as transferable, especially the BAR I don't think all dealer samples are being added to transferable list, just some. So I don't know that you'd be able to know if those two guns would have been included ? At this point, what difference does it make? |
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USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:10:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: My father in law sold his transferable DIAS last year to a guy for 55k That is freaking insane. I remember cringing when I forked over $3,500 for one back in the late 90's. I remember old ads where legit transferable DIAS could be had on a sliding scale, the more you purchased the cheaper they were. Bulk were $100 each but of course this was not long after the ban. |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:14:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By 6172crew: I bought my first MG in 2008, it was a good investment. I recently ended up with a HK21/23 that is pretty special, even if it is older tech. I missed that boat and later on the one time I was considering buying an HK sear I spent the money on a 911 instead. No ragrets |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:24:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BourbonBeast: Nobody under the age of 59 has been able to fill out a Form 1 for an MG or buy one new. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By BourbonBeast: Originally Posted By DumpTruck33: Back in the day when I bought my machine guns I got my m16's (4) and paid 500.00 ea for 2 bushmasters and 700.00 ea. for 2 colt m16 conversions. Paid 2500.00 for a Ramo 50 bmg, 2000.00 for a Maremont M60, 1295.00 and 1395.00 for Fleming MP5's a2 and a3 conversions and 900.00 for a Fleming g3 conversion Fleming,Bushmaster, Colt and HK conversions are registered receivers and were built on brand new guns. Feel sorry for those that missed those days hopefully the prices come down for those that want to participate. Nobody under the age of 59 has been able to fill out a Form 1 for an MG or buy one new. Yea I was 3 in '86 |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:26:07 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By DumpTruck33: Back in the day when I bought my machine guns I got my m16's (4) and paid 500.00 ea for 2 bushmasters and 700.00 ea. for 2 colt m16 conversions. Paid 2500.00 for a Ramo 50 bmg, 2000.00 for a Maremont M60, 1295.00 and 1395.00 for Fleming MP5's a2 and a3 conversions and 900.00 for a Fleming g3 conversion Fleming,Bushmaster, Colt and HK conversions are registered receivers and were built on brand new guns. Feel sorry for those that missed those days hopefully the prices come down for those that want to participate. I was not alive in those days. I too want to prices to come down so more people can buy them. I try every chance I get to share my MG. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:27:06 PM EDT
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Great news, especially with the Democrats constant war on guns.
Won't be able to buy any, but I'd like to see what's going into the pipeline. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:32:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By SideCarGT: So, you just add a zero to the price now? How would adding to the pool of MGs increase the prices? |
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NC, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:34:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Tuco22: Open the registry faggots. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:35:59 PM EDT
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So……. Who with political pull is sitting on a pile of these?
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:36:33 PM EDT
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Only poor people use guns in crimes
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:37:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By KB7DX: That's great assuming the proceeds from the sales go back into the department and not lining someone's pockets. Who cares. More MGs! |
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OR, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:37:22 PM EDT
[Last Edit: Mblades]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usp4u: How would adding to the pool of MGs increase the prices? Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usp4u: Originally Posted By SideCarGT: So, you just add a zero to the price now? How would adding to the pool of MGs increase the prices? Someone missed the first day of high school Econ. Edit: maybe I missed the first day of reading comprehension. If he’s saying the price going from post sample to transferable, then yeah a 10x increase is probably about right. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 4:47:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1: That is freaking insane. I remember cringing when I forked over $3,500 for one back in the late 90's. I remember old ads where legit transferable DIAS could be had on a sliding scale, the more you purchased the cheaper they were. Bulk were $100 each but of course this was not long after the ban. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1: Originally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: My father in law sold his transferable DIAS last year to a guy for 55k That is freaking insane. I remember cringing when I forked over $3,500 for one back in the late 90's. I remember old ads where legit transferable DIAS could be had on a sliding scale, the more you purchased the cheaper they were. Bulk were $100 each but of course this was not long after the ban. I regret not buying a Vector Uzi NIB with part of my first signing bonus after college.  Kharn |
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LA, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 5:20:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OregonShooter: An M16 is what 30k now? They are now.When I bought mine in 1983,I was out only 650.00,still have it and shoot it along with my IMI UZI 550.00,Sterling MK4 600.00,NIB Powder Springs M10 45 350.00,Norrell Sten MK2 350.00.The joys of being a CL3 dealer. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 5:36:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By bandanabandit1: Nfa’s days are numbered. With the constant drumbeat of "Weapons of War have no place on our streets"? Sorry, I'm not that optimistic. |
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VA, USA
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Posted: 5/9/2024 6:27:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strela: With the constant drumbeat of "Weapons of War have no place on our streets"? Sorry, I'm not that optimistic. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Strela: Originally Posted By bandanabandit1: Nfa’s days are numbered. With the constant drumbeat of "Weapons of War have no place on our streets"? Sorry, I'm not that optimistic. Bruen is a mighty shock, we are seeing decisions now that even 5 years ago I wouldn't have thought were possible. |
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Posted: 5/9/2024 6:44:48 PM EDT
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My old PD has a pair of Colt Monitors from 1931 that have sat in the arms room since new. They are as close to new as you can get. I wonder if those are getting registered for sale.
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:36:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: My father in law sold his transferable DIAS last year to a guy for 55k Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Pair_of_ACES: Originally Posted By OregonShooter: An M16 is what 30k now? My father in law sold his transferable DIAS last year to a guy for 55k that's insane I was talking with an 07/02 in CA about 10 years ago and he mentioned that he had a cigar box with 100 RDIAS's in it that was his retirement fund. he had another box with HK sears socked away as well. what a retirement fund. |
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MI, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:41:38 AM EDT
[Last Edit: Gunnerpalace]
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By fortydelta: What would the NFATCA say about the Hughes Amendment being repealed? They pushed these being added, HOWEVER, I was under the impression a member here was involved in a lawsuit against them where they were suppressing attempts to open the registry and colluding with ATF agents badmouthing the member. ETA: Oh yeah Here it is and it's Nolo |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:44:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Southernman077: I was figuring 4k glock switches. You can get one for $20 on Wish. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:45:33 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By CTM1: That is freaking insane. I remember cringing when I forked over $3,500 for one back in the late 90's. I remember old ads where legit transferable DIAS could be had on a sliding scale, the more you purchased the cheaper they were. Bulk were $100 each but of course this was not long after the ban. I remember when a transferable Mac could be had for $2500. |
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MO, USA
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:46:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By usp4u: How would adding to the pool of MGs increase the prices? He means dealer samples becoming transferable. It’s probably more like add two zeros to the price now. |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:52:21 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By TX_Road_Warrior: In response to the second part of the video... My trust is a "single person" trust, and I'm going on 45 days.  |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:54:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By _DR: NFA and GCA are blatantly unconstitutional and need to go the fuck away. That's all I am going to say.  |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:55:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn:Smart departments would ask multiple dealers for bids and get close to fair market value. Previously, many would trade old transferables to dealers for an equal value in post-samples.Kharny |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 10:56:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn:At least it's an increase. What was the total count on transferables lost when Vickers had his plea bargain? A few hundred?Kharny |
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Posted: 5/10/2024 11:04:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By Kharn:I regret not buying a Vector Uzi NIB with part of my first signing bonus after college.Kharny |
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Posted: 5/12/2024 8:54:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: He means dealer samples becoming transferable. It’s probably more like add two zeros to the price now. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By OscarD: Originally Posted By usp4u: How would adding to the pool of MGs increase the prices? He means dealer samples becoming transferable. It’s probably more like add two zeros to the price now. Ahh, got it |
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