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Posted: 1/23/2014 1:44:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWell, this is Jan 23rd. 
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Posted: 1/23/2014 2:07:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, this is Jan 23rd. Quote History What am I missing about the date? Did Nostradamus make a Prediction?  |
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Posted: 1/23/2014 2:11:40 PM EDT
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What am I missing about the date? Did Nostradamus make a Prediction?
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What am I missing about the date? Did Nostradamus make a Prediction?
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Posted: 1/23/2014 2:28:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Well, this is Jan 23rd. What am I missing about the date? Did Nostradamus make a Prediction? " Tinfoil wardrobe "   |
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Posted: 1/23/2014 2:52:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt's kind of sad. But since I don't believe there is a political solution to the problems with government, I find myself almost "wishing" for a Black Swan event to push things along.
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Posted: 1/23/2014 3:10:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryIt's kind of sad. But since I don't believe there is a political solution to the problems with government, I find myself almost "wishing" for a Black Swan event to push things along.  |
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Posted: 1/23/2014 4:24:30 PM EDT
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US Falls to 12th place on Economic Freedoms ListHey...we're out of the top 10!!! Not that this is any surprise. The last Congress passed another 4700 laws last session, which is about average for a session. The United States does not need different government, it needs MUCH LESS government. The Republicans aren't the answer. They've never shrunk government...ever. Even when they controlled the House, Senate, and White House, they grew government. No there is no political answer to this mess. We are NUMBER ONE in the world for the number of people we have incarcerated, and we are in 12th place and falling on the economic freedom list. What more do people need to know, we've been moving in the wrong direction for decades, but we've really accelerated this clusterfuck over the Bush/Obama administration. (yeah, I'm look at as one screwed up epoch. The United States of America, land of the free? Really? Does anyone still believe this shit? |
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Posted: 1/23/2014 4:33:27 PM EDT
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Art Cashin: Why 'everybody is on alert' 
eta US SEC judge suspends 'Big Four' China units over audits eta2 Roubini doom scenario: It's 1914 again It's kind of sad. But since I don't believe there is a political solution to the problems with government, I find myself almost "wishing" for a Black Swan event to push things along.
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Originally Posted By glockO:
Is The China Bank Run Beginning? Farmers Co-Op Unable To Pay Depositors
eta US SEC judge suspends 'Big Four' China units over audits eta2 Roubini doom scenario: It's 1914 again It's kind of sad. But since I don't believe there is a political solution to the problems with government, I find myself almost "wishing" for a Black Swan event to push things along.
Yup, the sooner it gets started, the sooner it can be over with and we can rebuild. We might not like the outcome (totalitarianism), but that's where we're going to end up if we keep prolonging the collapse. At least there's a chance of getting lucky and having a majority side with liberty when the dust settles. Side note, I actually really enjoy this thread because it's something I can turn to it when I start thinking things might get better ;) It reminds me that the worst has yet to come, so I shouldn't buy that new car, a second AR, or finance any house projects. It brings me back to the reality of the situation. |
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Posted: 1/23/2014 4:48:21 PM EDT
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Yup, the sooner it gets started, the sooner it can be over with and we can rebuild. We might not like the outcome (totalitarianism), but that's where we're going to end up if we keep prolonging the collapse. At least there's a chance of getting lucky and having a majority side with liberty when the dust settles. Side note, I actually really enjoy this thread because it's something I can turn to it when I start thinking things might get better ;) It reminds me that the worst has yet to come, so I shouldn't buy that new car, a second AR, or finance any house projects. It brings me back to the reality of the situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Originally Posted By glockO:
Is The China Bank Run Beginning? Farmers Co-Op Unable To Pay Depositors
eta US SEC judge suspends 'Big Four' China units over audits eta2 Roubini doom scenario: It's 1914 again It's kind of sad. But since I don't believe there is a political solution to the problems with government, I find myself almost "wishing" for a Black Swan event to push things along.
Yup, the sooner it gets started, the sooner it can be over with and we can rebuild. We might not like the outcome (totalitarianism), but that's where we're going to end up if we keep prolonging the collapse. At least there's a chance of getting lucky and having a majority side with liberty when the dust settles. Side note, I actually really enjoy this thread because it's something I can turn to it when I start thinking things might get better ;) It reminds me that the worst has yet to come, so I shouldn't buy that new car, a second AR, or finance any house projects. It brings me back to the reality of the situation. Before they strip us of the pitchforks too. 
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Posted: 1/23/2014 4:51:56 PM EDT
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Yup, the sooner it gets started, the sooner it can be over with and we can rebuild. We might not like the outcome (totalitarianism), but that's where we're going to end up if we keep prolonging the collapse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's kind of sad. But since I don't believe there is a political solution to the problems with government, I find myself almost "wishing" for a Black Swan event to push things along.
Yup, the sooner it gets started, the sooner it can be over with and we can rebuild. We might not like the outcome (totalitarianism), but that's where we're going to end up if we keep prolonging the collapse. I just want me to be the one dealing with at least the worst of it, instead of my kids.
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Posted: 1/23/2014 4:52:12 PM EDT
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Yup, the sooner it gets started, the sooner it can be over with and we can rebuild. We might not like the outcome (totalitarianism), but that's where we're going to end up if we keep prolonging the collapse. At least there's a chance of getting lucky and having a majority side with liberty when the dust settles. Side note, I actually really enjoy this thread because it's something I can turn to it when I start thinking things might get better ;) It reminds me that the worst has yet to come, so I shouldn't buy that new car, a second AR, or finance any house projects. It brings me back to the reality of the situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Originally Posted By glockO:
Is The China Bank Run Beginning? Farmers Co-Op Unable To Pay Depositors
eta US SEC judge suspends 'Big Four' China units over audits eta2 Roubini doom scenario: It's 1914 again It's kind of sad. But since I don't believe there is a political solution to the problems with government, I find myself almost "wishing" for a Black Swan event to push things along.
Yup, the sooner it gets started, the sooner it can be over with and we can rebuild. We might not like the outcome (totalitarianism), but that's where we're going to end up if we keep prolonging the collapse. At least there's a chance of getting lucky and having a majority side with liberty when the dust settles. Side note, I actually really enjoy this thread because it's something I can turn to it when I start thinking things might get better ;) It reminds me that the worst has yet to come, so I shouldn't buy that new car, a second AR, or finance any house projects. It brings me back to the reality of the situation. I think it should point out to you exactly why you should buy that second AR. |
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Posted: 1/23/2014 5:41:58 PM EDT
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I think it should point out to you exactly why you should buy that second AR. Damn you! I knew someone would say that 
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Posted: 1/23/2014 6:21:53 PM EDT
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You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for...
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Posted: 1/23/2014 6:38:46 PM EDT
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You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for...
Is wishing for no mo "told ya so's" bad juju ? 
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Posted: 1/23/2014 6:44:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for... We wish for a U-turn. This has been 100 years of progressivism, and our slow walk into tyranny. It has become extremely obvious over the last few decades that no politician, group of politicians, or political party is going to save us. They've all played their part in this clusterfuck. You still hang on to the erroneous idea that this is a Democrat only problem. Which is a HUGE mistake. It's clearly not. The Republicans held power through much of this slide. What did they accomplish? NOT A DAMN THING. Worse, they GREW government and contributed to what's happening today. This is not a "grand conspiracy". This is a bunch of idiots building more, and more, and more, and more government. Layer upon layer of laws, regulations, bureaucracy and public debt. This is what you get when you allow men (rulers) to have too much power over other men. We don't have a Democrat problem, we have a GOVERNMENT problem. I can dream |
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Posted: 1/23/2014 6:53:24 PM EDT
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You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for...
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Posted: 1/23/2014 6:55:57 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stutzcattle: I'd prefer dangerous freedom over safe tyranny. Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By stutzcattle: Quoted: You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for... I'd prefer dangerous freedom over safe tyranny. Well said.
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Posted: 1/23/2014 8:19:15 PM EDT
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There's a bumper sticker in there ...
Prefer unsafe freedom * * over safe tyranny * * |
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Posted: 1/23/2014 8:52:14 PM EDT
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You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for...
There's a huge difference between wishing for something and accepting that we've very likely passed the point where there's any real alternative, unless we're willing to completely surrender the freedom and liberty this country was built upon. History is pretty clear; when a government ceases to govern and instead begins to prey upon the governed, it's only a matter of time before a correction occurs. Am I advocating or instigating a call to arms? No. Do I believe it's probably going to happen? More than likely. The Founding Fathers foresaw this and officially recognized it in the very document that defines what it means to be an American, with the inclusion of the 2nd Amendment. Acknowledging the right to bear arms wasn't intended to address "sporting" use any more than they recognized the right to play ping pong or poker. The only real variable that remains is to see whether or not we've collectively drugged, eaten and drunk ourselves into too much of a glazed-eye stupor to invoke it. Pity they didn't also anticipate the possibility that their descendants might simply be too stupid to interpret the intent correctly... or even realize that they'd stumbled into the very situation the paragraph was meant to address. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 12:57:51 AM EDT
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There's a bumper sticker in there ... Prefer unsafe freedom * * over safe tyranny * * You can include it with the dust. "Dangerous Freedom Beats Safe Tyranny" |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 3:18:33 AM EDT
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Pity they didn't also anticipate the possibility that their descendants might simply be too stupid to interpret the intent correctly... or even realize that they'd stumbled into the very situation the paragraph was meant to address. Make no mistake about it, the people you refer to (at least in the positions of power) are not too stupid to interpret the intent correctly. It's an intentional and willful misinterpretation and they know exactly what they're doing. And right now they're winning, because they're successfully calling the bluff of every single person and group that stands on the other side of the fence and ALSO understands the intent. 
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Posted: 1/24/2014 4:12:15 AM EDT
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Make no mistake about it, the people you refer to (at least in the positions of power) are not too stupid to interpret the intent correctly. It's an intentional and willful misinterpretation and they know exactly what they're doing. And right now they're winning, because they're successfully calling the bluff of every single person and group that stands on the other side of the fence and ALSO understands the intent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Pity they didn't also anticipate the possibility that their descendants might simply be too stupid to interpret the intent correctly... or even realize that they'd stumbled into the very situation the paragraph was meant to address. Make no mistake about it, the people you refer to (at least in the positions of power) are not too stupid to interpret the intent correctly. It's an intentional and willful misinterpretation and they know exactly what they're doing. And right now they're winning, because they're successfully calling the bluff of every single person and group that stands on the other side of the fence and ALSO understands the intent. Oh, I know. That comment was directed more at the sheep than the shepherds. Even the cleverest of the manipulators haven't yet figured out how to implement some of the more distasteful aspects of total control without at least some popular support. Unfortunately they've been pretty successful at hoodwinking the muddled masses so far; the fact that BO is back for a second term proves beyond all doubt that we're losing ground to those without the mental horsepower to form coherent decisions on their own. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 11:44:33 AM EDT
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You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for...
Better me than my children.
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Posted: 1/24/2014 12:32:08 PM EDT
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Struggling MCDONALD'S Rethinks Strategies...
snip... "Thompson also noted that in the U.S., fast-casual restaurants now appear to be performing a bit better as customers with a little more to spend skew toward those chains. However, McDonald’s main customer base "isn’t faring quite as well in the current economy.” And that’s made competition with rivals such as Burger King and Wendy’s all the more fierce. All three chains have been aggressively promoting their value menus in the fight for customers. To address concerns that the strategy could eat into profit margins, McDonald’s recently updated its decade-old Dollar Menu. The "Dollar Menu & More” now includes items that cost around $2 and $5. McDonald’s said the new menu is meeting expectations." Why would a customer want to pay $2-$5, when they are coming to you to spend as little as possible? With Food, Energy & Tax Inflation, a business model to sell the 'cheapest' product won't end well for those competing against each other; Someone has to lose big. Obviously, there are exceptions, but the food industry has always been considered Recession Proof When you add in the Corporate Debt, funded by QE, to create the illusion of Growth, the Confused Majority might be realizing it's all been Faked  'Hyper-Liquated' Retail Sales leave Retailers with negative margins, and slowly reality is starting to sink in More Proof WE are living during the Greatest Depression?  Wake up Sheep, Wake Up!!!  eta Santelli Slams Central Bank Policies: 'Market Rapidly Realizing They Can't Go On Forever'... |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 5:46:29 PM EDT
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You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for...
I don't think anyone is wishing for it. I just don't see a way around it. |
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Posted: 1/24/2014 11:15:47 PM EDT
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You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for...
 . Tell us o worldly and wise EXPY, what was Stalingrad like? Was it really scary and hurtful?
Let me help your anxiety with a simple observation: Wishing ain't gonna make things better, and it ain't gonna make things worse. It ain't gonna speed things up, and it ain't gonna slow it down, by even ten seconds. Try to Think logically. Not emotionally. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 12:18:59 AM EDT
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Our OPPONENTS have been prepping the battlefield against Freedom for many decades, aggressively, brilliantly and with precision.
Their preps are nearly finished ----aside from a few more refinements that may take --5 years? While... The Emotional Chest Thumpers, Hi IQ Bloviators Extraordinaire, and Popular Hi Ranking Keyboard Generals, Who offer little to consider and analyze in their postings whether it be right or wrong, or only nonsense... Sit with their fingers up their behinds, COMPLAINING and WISHING, having LITTLE UNDERSTANDING how their OPPONENTS are operating, how and what they plan and ---MOST IMPORTANTLY, what motivates them. These folks are happy to make senseless posts, blathering like Lemmings from a Peanut Gallery, often their greatest/worst contribution to this thread. While failing to learn the tiniest bit, of the intricacies of their opponent -----that has been staring them in their face, -their ENTIRE LIVES!
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Posted: 1/25/2014 12:24:20 AM EDT
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The Economic freedom indexes are a great weapon against liberal socialists/regulation champions.
Our economy is incredibly durable now though because of the insane amount of productivity of a few workers thanks to modern technology. These few productive people are holding the rest up. Sadly there are fewer of these people as time goes on. Also, the easy credit from the Fed has to be creating malinvestment somewhere, so another crash is almost inevitable. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 9:27:31 AM EDT
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There's a bumper sticker in there ... Prefer unsafe freedom * * over safe tyranny * * DO EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEET |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 1:10:00 PM EDT
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You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for...
I actually think most of us do. and what you read here is mental preparation for what is coming, whether we want it to or not. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 1:17:35 PM EDT
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Our OPPONENTS have been prepping the battlefield against Freedom for many decades, aggressively, brilliantly and with precision. Their preps are nearly finished ----aside from a few more refinements that may take --5 years? While... The Emotional Chest Thumpers, Hi IQ Bloviators Extraordinaire, and Hi Ranking Keyboard Generals, Who offer little to consider in their postings whether it be right or wrong, or only nonsense... Sit with their fingers up their behinds, COMPLAINING and WISHING, having LITTLE UNDERSTANDING how their OPPONENTS are operating, how and what they plan and ---MOST IMPORTANTLY, what motivates them. These folks are happy to make senseless posts, blathering like Lemmings from a Peanut Gallery, often their greatest/worst contribution to this thread. While failing to learn the tiniest bit, of the intricacies of their opponent -----that has been been staring them in their face, -their ENTIRE LIVES!
I think you underestimate a segment of the American people. People are not buying up guns and ammo for collecting, they are getting ready for war. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 1:32:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Our OPPONENTS have been prepping the battlefield against Freedom for many decades, aggressively, brilliantly and with precision. Their preps are nearly finished ----aside from a few more refinements that may take --5 years? While... The Emotional Chest Thumpers, Hi IQ Bloviators Extraordinaire, and Hi Ranking Keyboard Generals, Who offer little to consider in their postings whether it be right or wrong, or only nonsense... Sit with their fingers up their behinds, COMPLAINING and WISHING, having LITTLE UNDERSTANDING how their OPPONENTS are operating, how and what they plan and ---MOST IMPORTANTLY, what motivates them. These folks are happy to make senseless posts, blathering like Lemmings from a Peanut Gallery, often their greatest/worst contribution to this thread. While failing to learn the tiniest bit, of the intricacies of their opponent -----that has been been staring them in their face, -their ENTIRE LIVES! Central planners, and Keynsians believe that a group of smart people can (and should...) plan, direct, and control, the economy. Not only don't I believe they should try, I believe it's impossible to do. That's the key difference between Austrians and Keynsians. In order to accept your theory that "they" have been successfully directing the economy following a plan over generations, I must accept that the Keynsians are fundamentally correct. Which I don't. There is no grand conspiracy, just people acting in their own self interest with the aid of the gun of government. Our system is broken. Our politicians in order to get elected must raise large sums of cash, in order to do that they must make promises to the people that give them this cash. In order to stay in office they must "do things", pass laws, regulations, and create programs and initiatives. Get enough of these people together "doing things" over time and you end up with a complex, costly, inefficient mess. There's nothing sinister about it. Both political parties have played this game, both have helped build this complex mess. The Democrats and Republicans tend to focus on growing different aspects of government, but they've worked together on a great many things. Because the mainstream of both parties believes in Big Government. This is not a conspiracy, it's a complex, idiotic, expensive, ineffective, corrupt....clusterfuck. In any case, not only don't I believe in a "grand conspiracy" spanning generations is at work here, I don't believe it could work, even if they tried. That's the fundamental difference between Austrians and Keynesians. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 1:48:35 PM EDT
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"not only don't I believe in a "grand conspiracy" spanning generations is at work here, I don't believe it could work,"
I agree..... It isn't a CONSPIRACY... It's an IDEOLOGICAL CULTURE ---over many decades, that is systematically destroying our country. The end result is a Totalitarian society, with the few who are presciently organizing, at the helm, or infighting each other to control ---the GREATEST PRIZE in History. Think abt it. "Central planners, and Keynsians believe that a group of smart people can (and should...) plan, direct, and control, the economy. Not only don't I believe they should try, I believe it's impossible to do." Well, you're WATCHING IT HAPPEN ... Right in front of your eyes...
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Posted: 1/25/2014 1:50:19 PM EDT
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I actually think most of us do. and what you read here is mental preparation for what is coming, whether we want it to or not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for...
I actually think most of us do. and what you read here is mental preparation for what is coming, whether we want it to or not. I think some do, but the bulk DO NOT.... I agree that much of the Chest Thumping is mental prepping for what is sensed, but not understood, that is coming. When you consider some folks here, even on the survival forum, don't understand you CAN'T SIPHON UPHILL, what mental gymnastics can you expect from them for a more complex threat analysis? 
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Posted: 1/25/2014 1:54:08 PM EDT
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I think you underestimate a segment of the American people. People are not buying up guns and ammo for collecting, they are getting ready for war. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Our OPPONENTS have been prepping the battlefield against Freedom for many decades, aggressively, brilliantly and with precision. Their preps are nearly finished ----aside from a few more refinements that may take --5 years? While... The Emotional Chest Thumpers, Hi IQ Bloviators Extraordinaire, and Hi Ranking Keyboard Generals, Who offer little to consider in their postings whether it be right or wrong, or only nonsense... Sit with their fingers up their behinds, COMPLAINING and WISHING, having LITTLE UNDERSTANDING how their OPPONENTS are operating, how and what they plan and ---MOST IMPORTANTLY, what motivates them. These folks are happy to make senseless posts, blathering like Lemmings from a Peanut Gallery, often their greatest/worst contribution to this thread. While failing to learn the tiniest bit, of the intricacies of their opponent -----that has been been staring them in their face, -their ENTIRE LIVES!
I think you underestimate a segment of the American people. People are not buying up guns and ammo for collecting, they are getting ready for war. Again, I agree SOME are buying for the reason you mention. [It's tempting to go on, but I don't think it would be in our interests...] But--- I think you are overlooking the reality that the present public is mostly interested in their personal COMFORT and CONVENIENCE. All the folks I know who are buying the past couple years -have only a poorly thought out PERSONAL DEFENSE as the underlying reason for buying this stuff. [As well as the Lemming issue] Buying for personal defense, so as to [imagine to] CONTINUE and PRESERVE, as much as they're able, their present state of comfort and convenience. Talking with them, they know SOMETHING is wrong, and almost to a person [with a couple notable exceptions] don't have any understanding what the primary threat is to them. They have NO INTEREST in finding out. Any OFFENSIVE use of what they're buying, is frankly, unthinkable and revolting to them, as I guess, should be expected. Most [all?] aren't taking any steps to provide for an interruption of utilities, for example, let alone war. Except to have generators to keep their air-conditioning running. With their few gallons of gas. 
Even when a water solution is offered with a tiny string attached to detect interest and motivation, there is NONE. Very interesting... Some of these are well off and motivated people. As already mentioned, I agree, a Black Swan sort of event could change this -radically. The problem would be, MOST folks would be running AIMLESSLY around in circles accomplishing mostly -NOTHING. Before most of them -died. Another poster mentioned Rwanda, read the story on Wiki... For those too lazy... Rwanda Genocide |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 3:14:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "not only don't I believe in a "grand conspiracy" spanning generations is at work here, I don't believe it could work," I agree..... It isn't a CONSPIRACY... It's an IDEOLOGICAL CULTURE ---over many decades, that is systematically destroying our country. The end result is a Totalitarian society, with the few who are presciently organizing, at the helm, or infighting each other to control it. Think abt it. "Central planners, and Keynsians believe that a group of smart people can (and should...) plan, direct, and control, the economy. Not only don't I believe they should try, I believe it's impossible to do." Well, you're WATCHING IT HAPPEN ... Right in front of your eyes... That's where you and I disagree. You see what is happening as being the direct result of some sinister plan. I don't. It's just human nature taken to the extreme. Normally, in the free market, in order for someone to earn money, they must create some value which others will voluntarily pay for. This can be tougher to do than it sounds. But there is an easier way. You can pick up a gun, and threaten people with violence to give you money. If this is your chosen path there are only two avenues available for you, the first is crime, the second is government. Both pretty much operate the same way, but with government you work behind the illusionary facade of morality. Humans will try to do as little as possible to get what they want, this is true for the rich and poor, and everyone in between. Government and Crime, are the tools of choice for those who lack empathy, or are willing to go the easy path, and use violence to get what they want. Which is why borderline personality types do so well in both of these professions. They are magnets for psychopaths and sociopaths. The danger in believing as you do, that electing the right party matters, is that it doesn't fix the problem. The problem is government. ALL government, conservative, and liberal. We'll always have criminals among us. The thing we must do is limit their access to the tools that enable them. Government must be substantially cut, it must be limited to only a few things. It must be simple, and transparent. This isn't going to happen in the current system. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 3:27:19 PM EDT
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"That's where you and I disagree. You see what is happening as being the direct result of some sinister plan. I don't. It's just human nature taken to the extreme."
No.... No I don't... I see it happening by relatively few [highly ideologically motivated] sinister people [serving THEIR self-interests] TAKING ADVANTAGE OF, the failings of, human nature. They are doing it with great efficiency and effect. Like OPPORTUNISTIC predators running loose in a chikin tractor. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 3:34:38 PM EDT
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"The problem is government. ALL government, conservative, and liberal. We'll always have criminals among us. The thing we must do is limit their access to the tools that enable them. Government must be substantially cut, it must be limited to only a few things. It must be simple, and transparent."
I agree it won't happen in the current system of .gov. Our .gov has reached an incredible level of intelligence gathering, power, and control. Over us! Along with always increasing staffing with folks sensitive to .gov's goals, [lacking ties to the social and cultural things that once made this country great] -----and not the folks they serve. Considering this, how will/can it ever be reduced? Go to the DC area sometime, look around, it looks like a foreign country. For all practical purposes, it might as well be. You think there isn't a PLAN behind this??????? |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 4:38:28 PM EDT
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"The problem is government. ALL government, conservative, and liberal. We'll always have criminals among us. The thing we must do is limit their access to the tools that enable them. Government must be substantially cut, it must be limited to only a few things. It must be simple, and transparent." I agree it won't happen in the current system of .gov. Our .gov has reached an incredible level of intelligence gathering, power, and control. Over us! Along with always increasing staffing with folks sensitive to .gov's goals, [lacking ties to the social and cultural things that once made this country great] -----and not the folks they serve. Considering this, how will/can it ever be reduced? Go to the DC area sometime, look around, it looks like a foreign country. For all practical purposes, it might as well be. You think there isn't a PLAN behind this??????? Ask FedDC ...
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Posted: 1/25/2014 6:32:31 PM EDT
[#40]
Quote HistoryQuoted: You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for... Perhaps the tides have washed the sands from their heads and the light they see is not what they expected. Welcome to 2014. It seems "Something else" is but a few strokes from midnight. Embrace your liberty, for you learn to love it like a shadow. The world is indeed a dangerous place if one intends to keep that which others intend to take. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. |
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Posted: 1/25/2014 7:49:33 PM EDT
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"The problem is government. ALL government, conservative, and liberal. We'll always have criminals among us. The thing we must do is limit their access to the tools that enable them. Government must be substantially cut, it must be limited to only a few things. It must be simple, and transparent." I agree it won't happen in the current system of .gov. Our .gov has reached an incredible level of intelligence gathering, power, and control. Over us! Along with always increasing staffing with folks sensitive to .gov's goals, [lacking ties to the social and cultural things that once made this country great] -----and not the folks they serve. Considering this, how will/can it ever be reduced? Go to the DC area sometime, look around, it looks like a foreign country. For all practical purposes, it might as well be. You think there isn't a PLAN behind this??????? I would say there are a (very) few that have a plan. There are far more who are opportunistic idealogues, and, in some cases with this regime, "true believers" that actually think either they are smarter than everybody else or that a benevolent dictator will fix all ills. I agree with Q that there are far more sociopaths in the political class than there are brilliant strategerists. That's why I never ascribe to incredibly complex planning and execution for what is more easily explained by incompetence or stupidity. Occam's Razor and all that. The bunch we have in DC right now couldn't engineer a wet dream after watching a hard disk full of porn. In fact, many in positions of authority within the .gov have NEVER worked either in the area they are now in charge of, or never worked for a paycheck in the private sector AT ALL. Still others are political activists who have been given their positions as payback for supporting Odumbo and the CommieCrats. Is it any wonder then that our .gov acts like a bunch of left-wing extremists when the people running it are left-wing extremists?
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Posted: 1/25/2014 8:02:34 PM EDT
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The woodwork effect is in full effect with this sort here of late. Perhaps the tides have washed the sands from their heads and the light they see is not what they expected. Welcome to 2014. It seems "Something else" is but a few strokes from midnight. Embrace your liberty, for you learn to love it like a shadow. The world is indeed a dangerous place if one intends to keep that which others intend to take. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for...
Perhaps the tides have washed the sands from their heads and the light they see is not what they expected. Welcome to 2014. It seems "Something else" is but a few strokes from midnight. Embrace your liberty, for you learn to love it like a shadow. The world is indeed a dangerous place if one intends to keep that which others intend to take. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Well then, what is it you propose???? What are YOU wishing for? Since, talk is cheap.... 
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Posted: 1/25/2014 9:07:35 PM EDT
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"The bunch we have in DC right now couldn't engineer a wet dream after watching a hard disk full of porn. "
Well, they sure ENGINEERED the passing of 1000's of pages of a LAW that had to be passed so we could read them... That is well on the way to destroying our medical system... And a factor in the destruction of our economy. Look what else they have PLANNED for us, with NO ONE seemingly effective to stop them. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 12:08:26 AM EDT
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Is there a major country in the world right now except maybe Russia and Germany that are not living on borrowed money? How does anyone think that is sustainable and is not going to come to a bad end?
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Posted: 1/26/2014 4:39:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well then, what is it you propose???? What are YOU wishing for? Since, talk is cheap.... And your timing makes no sense... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You people have NO iDEA what you're wishing for... Perhaps the tides have washed the sands from their heads and the light they see is not what they expected. Welcome to 2014. It seems "Something else" is but a few strokes from midnight. Embrace your liberty, for you learn to love it like a shadow. The world is indeed a dangerous place if one intends to keep that which others intend to take. Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Well then, what is it you propose???? What are YOU wishing for? Since, talk is cheap.... And your timing makes no sense... I am well written in this regard for nearly a year. You may find it beginning around here. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1422180_The_discussion_has_begun_.html&page=12#i38891822 You will not be surprised to find many of the same voices echoing along beside me. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 5:25:09 AM EDT
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"The bunch we have in DC right now couldn't engineer a wet dream after watching a hard disk full of porn. " Well, they sure ENGINEERED the passing of 1000's of pages of a LAW that had to be passed so we could read them... That is well on the way to destroying our medical system... And a factor in the destruction of our economy. Look what else they have PLANNED for us, with NO ONE seemingly effective to stop them. I'm having a hard time grasping your point. On one hand you're arguing that our government is actively, intentionally and aggressively working to assume total control of the people, and in the next breath you criticize those that would stand up and fight rather than submit to that misguided authority. What, then, would you have us do? Step aside and watch in glum resignation, bemoaning the loss of a once great country? Vote? Try to change the progressive's minds? I personally think a collapse is inevitable, simply because there doesn't seem to be a viable solution to the mess we've allowed to be made. We sat back in ignorance and apathy too long; the poison has crept beyond the bounds of government and into the minds of what once was a few, but is now the majority. We've fed and groomed the FSA to keep it fat and happy, and in doing so created our own worst enemy. ETA: To be clear, I don't know what the solution is either. I am not advocating organized, armed rebellion; I fear that would simply rip what's left the country to shreds. All I know to do is try and prepare for come what may, and be prepared to defend myself and my family to the extent I can. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:38:47 AM EDT
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<snip> I very seldom respond to direct queries. I am well written in this regard for nearly a year. You may find it beginning around here. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1422180_The_discussion_has_begun_.html&page=12#i38891822 You will not be surprised to find many of the same voices echoing along beside me. Thanks, don't know how that thread got by me. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 8:45:19 AM EDT
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Yup, the sooner it gets started, the sooner it can be over with and we can rebuild. We might not like the outcome (totalitarianism), but that's where we're going to end up if we keep prolonging the collapse. At least there's a chance of getting lucky and having a majority side with liberty when the dust settles. Side note, I actually really enjoy this thread because it's something I can turn to it when I start thinking things might get better ;) It reminds me that the worst has yet to come, so I shouldn't buy that new car, a second AR, or finance any house projects. It brings me back to the reality of the situation. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Originally Posted By glockO:
Is The China Bank Run Beginning? Farmers Co-Op Unable To Pay Depositors
eta US SEC judge suspends 'Big Four' China units over audits eta2 Roubini doom scenario: It's 1914 again It's kind of sad. But since I don't believe there is a political solution to the problems with government, I find myself almost "wishing" for a Black Swan event to push things along.
Yup, the sooner it gets started, the sooner it can be over with and we can rebuild. We might not like the outcome (totalitarianism), but that's where we're going to end up if we keep prolonging the collapse. At least there's a chance of getting lucky and having a majority side with liberty when the dust settles. Side note, I actually really enjoy this thread because it's something I can turn to it when I start thinking things might get better ;) It reminds me that the worst has yet to come, so I shouldn't buy that new car, a second AR, or finance any house projects. It brings me back to the reality of the situation. Or you could live a good enjoyable life now, because you won't be able to later. it simply won't exist. Think of it as (not counting money distortion of reality) You are young and can have any woman on earth now[america as it sit now]...........because when your old, your chance of that kind of fun will all but disappear.[america after the crash] Carpe Diem my friend, Carpe Diem. ...........................................
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:10:35 AM EDT
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^ ^^^ ^
So you're saying when lowered into the septic tank ever so slowly, you get used to the smell. |
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Posted: 1/26/2014 9:12:05 AM EDT
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I would say there are a (very) few that have a plan. There are far more who are opportunistic idealogues, and, in some cases with this regime, "true believers" that actually think either they are smarter than everybody else or that a benevolent dictator will fix all ills. I agree with Q that there are far more sociopaths in the political class than there are brilliant strategerists. That's why I never ascribe to incredibly complex planning and execution for what is more easily explained by incompetence or stupidity. Occam's Razor and all that. The bunch we have in DC right now couldn't engineer a wet dream after watching a hard disk full of porn. In fact, many in positions of authority within the .gov have NEVER worked either in the area they are now in charge of, or never worked for a paycheck in the private sector AT ALL. Still others are political activists who have been given their positions as payback for supporting Odumbo and the CommieCrats. Is it any wonder then that our .gov acts like a bunch of left-wing extremists when the people running it are left-wing extremists?
IMHO, it is much easier to say that there is a plan. The complete and utter destruction of this nation , compliments of fucking retards is ..........too pedestrian a result of a great nation. If it is simply retards doing shit they dont understand, honestly, it means this nation isnt, or wasnt ever as great as we imagined. However , a planned assault on our liberties gives people an enemy to focus on. I believe an enemy, versus incompetence , is much more galvanizing for people. Personally Im in the "its a plan" camp. While the plan isnt written down, it is simple. At every turn the gov does things to curb liberty . Its that simple. They realize that at some point , it will end with complete confiscation of all wealth "for the good of the nation" dont ya know. |
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