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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:09:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:09:58 PM EDT
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You used overlays even when you could plainly see the ring touching the scoring area? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And WTF do people think you need an overlay for? You can SEE the ring easily touches the blue. Not a matter of need. A matter of dealing with whiny assed, gamer, grown men standing around arguing in USPSA. We, therefore, use overlays. Hell I even carried a loupe sometimes, blind bastards.  You used overlays even when you could plainly see the ring touching the scoring area? USPSA is a little different because the rule is "breaking the perf". The cardboard targets have perforated scoring lines. It can make things interesting.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:15:45 PM EDT
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You used overlays even when you could plainly see the ring touching the scoring area? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And WTF do people think you need an overlay for? You can SEE the ring easily touches the blue. Not a matter of need. A matter of dealing with whiny assed, gamer, grown men standing around arguing in USPSA. We, therefore, use overlays. Hell I even carried a loupe sometimes, blind bastards. You used overlays even when you could plainly see the ring touching the scoring area? Sometimes the guys who use FMJ/JHP dont have grease marks and want the higher scoring value. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:16:58 PM EDT
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USPSA is a little different because the rule is "breaking the perf". The cardboard targets have perforated scoring lines. It can make things interesting. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And WTF do people think you need an overlay for? You can SEE the ring easily touches the blue. Not a matter of need. A matter of dealing with whiny assed, gamer, grown men standing around arguing in USPSA. We, therefore, use overlays. Hell I even carried a loupe sometimes, blind bastards. You used overlays even when you could plainly see the ring touching the scoring area? USPSA is a little different because the rule is "breaking the perf". The cardboard targets have perforated scoring lines. It can make things interesting. Where in the rule book does it say the bullet has to break the perforation? 9.5.2 only requires the bullet to touch a scoring area to count, it doesn't have to break any perforation. If you can see a ring touching a scoring area then there is no doubt that the bullet touched it. Overlays are best used when the ring almost touches a scoring area since we know the bullet's diameter is always a hair larger than the ring itself. In that case you can put the overlay on the hole and see if the overlay indicates that the bullet touched the scoring area. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:18:02 PM EDT
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Sometimes the guys who use FMJ/JHP dont have grease marks and want the higher scoring value. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And WTF do people think you need an overlay for? You can SEE the ring easily touches the blue. Not a matter of need. A matter of dealing with whiny assed, gamer, grown men standing around arguing in USPSA. We, therefore, use overlays. Hell I even carried a loupe sometimes, blind bastards. You used overlays even when you could plainly see the ring touching the scoring area? Sometimes the guys who use FMJ/JHP dont have grease marks and want the higher scoring value. My post was obviously directly referring to a situation where you CAN see the ring on the paper. In any event, jacketed bullets generally leave some filth behind and you should still be able to see a ring. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:22:19 PM EDT
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Grease ring touches blue. Hit, no question here. This. Grease ring counts. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:26:10 PM EDT
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Where in the rule book does it say the bullet has to break the perforation? 9.5.2 only requires the bullet to touch a scoring area to count, it doesn't have to break any perforation. If you can see a ring touching a scoring area then there is no doubt that the bullet touched it. Overlays are best used when the ring almost touches a scoring area since we know the bullet's diameter is always a hair larger than the ring itself. In that case you can put the overlay on the hole and see if the overlay indicates that the bullet touched the scoring area. Actually, it says "touch the scoring line", not exactly break the perf. But "touching the scoring line", I've seen hotly debated. Especially when the target is damp or some other thing is going on and the bullet may have torn the perf but not actually touched it, when you put the overlay on. All kinds of weird shit can happen to those style of target. Overlays help make things more black and white. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:33:45 PM EDT
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Hit in the blue. No doubt.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:36:34 PM EDT
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Lead is in the blue. Score it |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:38:26 PM EDT
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Yep. Next hight value. Broke the line
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:40:13 PM EDT
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Do over!
DOOOO OVERRRRRR!! |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:45:58 PM EDT
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Grease ring touches blue. Hit, no question here. This is the correct answer. 4 years on rifle team and 2 years as team Captain who signed off on the match targets for competitions says that round is in the blue. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:49:03 PM EDT
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Maybe that's why wadcutters are popular for target. Where there would be grease ring is only hole.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 12:51:41 PM EDT
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Maybe that's why wadcutters are popular for target. Where there would be grease ring is only hole. I just stopped using them(sold off my stash) because of the lead concerns that's been talked about for a while now. WC/SWC do make nice clean holes! 
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Posted: 7/22/2014 1:49:23 PM EDT
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I see a grease ring on the blue......looks like a hit to me.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 2:09:09 PM EDT
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you are spitting fibers on that one.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:05:50 PM EDT
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FYI: they scored it based on the grease mark touching the blue ring.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:07:53 PM EDT
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FYI: they scored it based on the grease mark touching the blue ring. Good.. In most all rule books this is correct. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:09:03 PM EDT
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Yep. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Grease ring touches blue. Hit, no question here. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:09:32 PM EDT
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Lead is in the blue. Score it This. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:10:30 PM EDT
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It scores in the blue. No matter the age of the shooter.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:11:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not only does the grease ring touch the blue ( good hit ), the blue portion has been bent inwards by the bullet, but not torn. That's a hit. |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:11:49 PM EDT
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I saw a steel shooting match once where the bullet grazed along the edge of the plate but didn't hardly make a sound. But it removed paint, so it counted. Pretty much the same thing, it's a graze.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:12:23 PM EDT
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Grease ring touches blue. Hit, no question here.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 9:29:25 PM EDT
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FYI: they scored it based on the grease mark touching the blue ring. Good. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:22:20 PM EDT
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HIt on blue? Yes.
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Posted: 7/22/2014 10:31:01 PM EDT
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Grease ring counts IMO.
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