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Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:39:01 PM EDT
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Why shouldn't they be able to protect themselves?  Last I checked we were A-OK with Canada.  I don't get this thread.


That is the question.  Who are they going to protect themselves from? We could overrun them in a day and would defend them in case of an attack from the Russians or Chicoms.  

I can see a national police force (which they have) but not a standing military.



The cops could probably do a pretty good number on anyone who breaks down your door to steal your shit.  Does that mean you're going to rely on them to be there at a moment's notice?
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:41:57 PM EDT
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You mean they couldnt stop the largest invasion force in the history of the world made possible by the combined efforts of three superpowers? Well who would have thought it...


What I am saying is they have a loyal and local neighbor who will take care of their national defense, the USA.  Why would you spend the resources on an army that could be defeated easily.  No offense to the Canadian Miliary.

It would almost be like putting a 4 cylinder Vega in an 8 cylinder Camaro race.  

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:42:37 PM EDT
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You could make the same argument about the US. Who is going to invade the USA?

 

Mexico. And it looks like they're winning.
 


It's not an invasion if they are enabled to be medically cared for, fed, housed, clothed, schooled, college funded, able to be sheltered by amnesty cities, etc. with the aid of our own government while turning a blind eye to our own laws. But that another topic altogether. Just saying.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:43:21 PM EDT
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canadians are afraid of the dark - its well known.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:44:09 PM EDT
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You mean they couldnt stop the largest invasion force in the history of the world made possible by the combined efforts of three superpowers? Well who would have thought it...


What I am saying is they have a loyal and local neighbor who will take care of their national defense, the USA.  Why would you spend the resources on an army that could be defeated easily.  No offense to the Canadian Miliary.

It would almost be like putting a 4 cylinder Vega in an 8 cylinder Camaro race.  



I bet the Russians thought Finland would be a cakewalk, too.

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:44:36 PM EDT
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You mean they couldnt stop the largest invasion force in the history of the world made possible by the combined efforts of three superpowers? Well who would have thought it...


What I am saying is they have a loyal and local neighbor who will take care of their national defense, the USA.  Why would you spend the resources on an army that could be defeated easily.  No offense to the Canadian Miliary.

It would almost be like putting a 4 cylinder Vega in an 8 cylinder Camaro race.  



Canada has been involved in wars that the US has not.

Boer war

Involved in WWI and WWII far before the US was.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:47:07 PM EDT
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 Peter Lemon,one of the 30,000 Canadians who came south to fight in Vietnam,the 5th youngest man to be awarded the Medal of Honor.


 At the height of the Cold War,Canada had IIRC the 4th largest airforce in the world with the bulk of their fighter squadrons deployed to Germany. They more than pulled their own weight in those regards,have deployed the largest number of forces to UN duties and as has already been said,158 Canadians have given their lives in Afghanistan.

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:49:25 PM EDT
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http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/6316/lemonvietnammed.jpg

 Peter Lemon,one of the 30,000 Canadians who came south to fight in Vietnam,the 5th youngest man to be awarded the Medal of Honor.


 At the height of the Cold War,Canada had IIRC the 4th largest airforce in the world with the bulk of their fighter squadrons deployed to Germany. They more than pulled their own weight in those regards,have deployed the largest number of forces to UN duties and as has already been said,158 Canadians have given their lives in Afghanistan.



They even had their own airbases in Germany until reunification IIRC.

That has to say something.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:49:28 PM EDT
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Why shouldn't they be able to protect themselves?  Last I checked we were A-OK with Canada.  I don't get this thread.


That is the question.  Who are they going to protect themselves from? We could overrun them in a day and would defend them in case of an attack from the Russians or Chicoms.  

I can see a national police force (which they have) but not a standing military.


You could make the same argument about the US. Who is going to invade the USA?


 


Not even close. Look at the size and scope of the US military and area covered and then compare Canada. They could not stop a Normandy size invasion, the US could.




Why are you picking on Canada when Mexico is the one going in dry for real???



Indeed.

Mexico has zero defense strategy, can't even monitor its own borders, and can't adequately govern its domestic population.

The US could probably invade Mexico with an Army raised of Mexicans gladly joining in.


 We could just hire Mexicans to fight the war Americans don't want to fight ourselves. It'd be easy except that our gov't doesn't seem to know which side to arm
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:51:09 PM EDT
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To send 158 men to die helping America?








Makes me want to bitch slap the OP.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:51:53 PM EDT
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Most people fail to realize that we're the second largest landmass, but only the 35th largest country in terms of population.



We aren't doing to bad considering there are only 36ish million people that live here.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:52:25 PM EDT
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Who else is going to buy the F-18C?
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:53:43 PM EDT
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You mean they couldnt stop the largest invasion force in the history of the world made possible by the combined efforts of three superpowers? Well who would have thought it...

Yeah, we totally did that all by ourselves. No English, Irish, Free French, Free Poles, Canadians, Irish, or anyone else involved. Just the USA.



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Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:57:33 PM EDT
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To send 158 men to die helping America?








Makes me want to bitch slap the OP.


I am not denegrating the contributions of Canadian Troops.  They have served and served well. Just asking a question.

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 4:59:44 PM EDT
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Are you fuckin retarded? Do you think you are the only country that has lost men over seas?








If this is some kind of joke I am out of the loop on... fuck you anyways.


Someone got their pubes stuck to the permafrost.

(yeah, crap joke )
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:05:50 PM EDT
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You mean they couldnt stop the largest invasion force in the history of the world made possible by the combined efforts of three superpowers? Well who would have thought it...


What I am saying is they have a loyal and local neighbor who will take care of their national defense, the USA.  Why would you spend the resources on an army that could be defeated easily.  No offense to the Canadian Miliary.

It would almost be like putting a 4 cylinder Vega in an 8 cylinder Camaro race.  



You just don't stop.  It's like you have no filter.

Slightly out of date, but readily available online: http://www.msz.gov.pl/editor/files/docs/DPB/polityka_bezpieczenstwa/NATO_handbook.pdf


NATO embodies the transatlantic link by which the security of North America is permanently tied to the security of Europe. It is the practical expression of effective collective effort among its members in support of their common security interests.

The fundamental principle underpinning the Alliance is a common commitment to mutual cooperation among the member states, based on the indivisibility of their security. Solidarity and cohesion within the Alliance ensure that no member country is forced to rely upon its own national efforts alone in dealing with basic security challenges. Without depriving member states of their right and duty to assume their sovereign responsibilities in the field of defence, the Alliance enables them to realise their essential national security objectives through collective effort. In short, the Alliance is an association of free states united in their determination to preserve their security through mutual guarantees and stable relations with other countries.

The North Atlantic Treaty of April 1949 - which is the legal and contractual basis for the Alliance - was established within the framework of Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which reaffirms the inherent right of independent states to individual or collective defence. As the preamble to the Treaty states, the aim of the Allies is to “promote peaceful and friendly relations in the North Atlantic Area.” However, at the time of the Treaty’s signature, the immediate purpose of NATO was to defend its members against a potential threat resulting from the policies and growing military capacity of the former Soviet Union.

The North Atlantic Treaty Organisation (NATO) provides the structure which enables the goals of the Alliance to be implemented. It is an intergovernmental organisation in which member countries retain their full sovereignty and independence. The Organisation provides the forum in which they consult together on any issues they may choose to raise and take decisions on political and military matters affecting their security. It provides the structures needed to facilitate consultation and cooperation between them, in political, military and economic as well as scientific and other non-military fields.

The resulting sense of equal security among the members of the Alliance, regardless of differences in their circumstances or in their national military capabilities, contributes to stability in the Euro-Atlantic area. It creates conditions which favour increased cooperation among Alliance members as well as between members of the Alliance and other countries.

The means by which the Alliance carries out its security policies include the maintenance of a sufficient military capability to prevent war and to provide for effective defence; an overall capability to manage crises affecting the security of its members; and active promotion of dialogue with other nations and of a cooperative approach to European security, including measures to bring about further progress in the field of arms control and disarmament.

To achieve its essential purpose, as an Alliance of nations committed to the Washington Treaty and the United Nations Charter, the Alliance performs the following fundamental security tasks:

“Security: To provide one of the indispensable foundations for a stable Euro-Atlantic security environment, based on the growth of democratic institutions and commitment to the peaceful resolution of disputes, in which no country would be able to intimidate or coerce any other through the threat or use of force.

Consultation: To serve, as provided for in Article 4 of the Washington Treaty, as an essential transatlantic forum for Allied consultations on any issues that affect their vital interests, including possible developments posing risks for members’ security, and for appropriate coordination of their efforts in fields of common concern.

Deterrence and Defence: To deter and defend against any threat of aggression against any NATO member state as provided for in Articles 5 and 6 of the Washington Treaty.
And in order to enhance the security and stability of the Euro-Atlantic area:
• Crisis Management: To stand ready, case-by-case and by consensus, in conformity with Article 7 of the Washington Treaty, to contribute to effective conflict prevention and to engage actively in crisis management, including crisis response operations.
• Partnership: To promote wide-ranging partnership, cooperation, and dialogue with other countries in the Euro-Atlantic area, with the aim of increasing transparency, mutual confidence and the capacity for joint action with the Alliance.”

The structures created within NATO enable member countries to coordinate their policies in order to fulfil these fundamental tasks. They provide for continuous consultation and cooperation in political, economic and other non-military fields as well as the formulation of joint plans for the common defence; the establishment of the infrastructure and basic installations and facilities needed to enable military forces to operate; and arrangements for joint training programmes and exercises. Underpinning these activities is a complex civilian and military structure involving administrative, budgetary and planning staffs, as well as agencies which have been established by the member countries of the Alliance in order to coordinate work in specialised fields - for example, the communications needed to facilitate political consultation and command and control of military forces and the logistics support needed to sustain military forces.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:19:35 PM EDT
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canadians are afraid of the dark - its well known.


I have heard that these guys are...



Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:23:13 PM EDT
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canadians are afraid of the dark - its well known.




I have heard that these guys are...



http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1023/65000jtf2posteren009f12xj3.jpg





Whoa, that's a bad ass pic.



 
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:27:04 PM EDT
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Is there a medication shortage again? Thank You Canada for all your years of support and friendship. Do you realize how many Canadians have fought and bled right beside us? Thanks OP I have decided to re up my membership I really miss the ignore button.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:27:04 PM EDT
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So they can loan it to England.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:36:42 PM EDT
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I for one will raise my glass to our Canadian cousins over the border as they've been faithful friends through the years.  
God bless the Canadian Forces and may we cherish the memory of their fallen as we cherish our own brothers and sisters.


OP is trollish poster,  don't you have 2 threads going about peeing in your house but not in the bathroom right now?  Well stop pissing in ours.  You can bag on Canada over milk bags, or their french fancies or their delicious cheese and gravy fries but don't disrespect their men and women in the service.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:41:14 PM EDT
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we trained them (canadians) at the NTC. lets just say they dont follow the same  R.O.E. as we do.. lol

they all had beards . and lack bad ass uparmored trucks..


but i guess they helped?

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:43:07 PM EDT
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we trained them (canadians) at the NTC. lets just say they dont follow the same  R.O.E. as we do.. lol



they all had beards . and lack bad ass uparmored trucks..





but i guess they helped?





What's an ROE?





 
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:50:18 PM EDT
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we trained them (canadians) at the NTC. lets just say they dont follow the same  R.O.E. as we do.. lol

they all had beards . and lack bad ass uparmored trucks..


but i guess they helped?


What's an ROE?

 


Rules of Engagement.

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:51:06 PM EDT
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They did land a division at Normandy on D-day.


My grandfather was among them.  Juno Beach.



 
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:53:47 PM EDT
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What are your thoughts?



So they can assist their allies?

 





Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:55:31 PM EDT
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we trained them (canadians) at the NTC. lets just say they dont follow the same  R.O.E. as we do.. lol



they all had beards . and lack bad ass uparmored trucks..





but i guess they helped?





What's an ROE?



 




Rules of Engagement.





Fuck that, we don't need no rules.  



 
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 5:56:45 PM EDT
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How Canadians make coffee in Afghanistan:





 
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:00:31 PM EDT
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You mean they couldnt stop the largest invasion force in the history of the world made possible by the combined efforts of three superpowers? Well who would have thought it...


What I am saying is they have a loyal and local neighbor who will take care of their national defense, the USA.  Why would you spend the resources on an army that could be defeated easily.  No offense to the Canadian Miliary.

It would almost be like putting a 4 cylinder Vega in an 8 cylinder Camaro race.  



Canada has been involved in wars that the US has not.

Boer war

Involved in WWI and WWII far before the US was.


They were then part of the British Empire. They weren't really their own country until 1982.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:02:00 PM EDT
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Most people fail to realize that we're the second largest landmass, but only the 35th largest country in terms of population.

We aren't doing to bad considering there are only 36ish million people that live here.


Ranked 56th in the world for military service per capita and 111th for military spending as a percentage of GDP.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:04:05 PM EDT
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I for one will raise my glass to our Canadian cousins over the border as they've been faithful friends through the years.  
God bless the Canadian Forces and may we cherish the memory of their fallen as we cherish our own brothers and sisters.


OP is trollish poster,  don't you have 2 threads going about peeing in your house but not in the bathroom right now?  Well stop pissing in ours.  You can bag on Canada over milk bags, or their french fancies or their delicious cheese and gravy fries but don't disrespect their men and women in the service.


Well said.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:06:52 PM EDT
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Why shouldn't they be able to protect themselves?  Last I checked we were A-OK with Canada.  I don't get this thread.


That is the question.  Who are they going to protect themselves from? We could overrun them in a day and would defend them in case of an attack from the Russians or Chicoms.  

I can see a national police force (which they have) but not a standing military.


You could make the same argument about the US. Who is going to invade the USA?

 


10.000.000 illegals invaded and live among us... we can't do a thing about it !..Hummm beer
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:08:40 PM EDT
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Why shouldn't they be able to protect themselves?  Last I checked we were A-OK with Canada.  I don't get this thread.




That is the question.  Who are they going to protect themselves from? We could overrun them in a day and would defend them in case of an attack from the Russians or Chicoms.  



I can see a national police force (which they have) but not a standing military.





Uh no, Canada is a fucking HUGE country, it would take awhile to cover all the ground necessary to conquer them.



 
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:08:46 PM EDT
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Most people fail to realize that we're the second largest landmass, but only the 35th largest country in terms of population.

We aren't doing to bad considering there are only 36ish million people that live here.


Ranked 56th in the world for military service per capita and 111th for military spending as a percentage of GDP.


After 20 years of Liberal government gutting the Military and destroying it. Something you guys will start to understand if the Kenyan gets a second term.

Our military REALLY has gone to shit in the last 2 decades though..... You know, we used to have an aircraft carrier too, right?
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:09:33 PM EDT
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Most people fail to realize that we're the second largest landmass, but only the 35th largest country in terms of population.



We aren't doing to bad considering there are only 36ish million people that live here.




Ranked 56th in the world for military service per capita and 111th for military spending as a percentage of GDP.


Can I get a link?



I'd like to use those numbers against any anti-military turds I occasionally run into, but won't without proof.



 
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:11:50 PM EDT
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Most people fail to realize that we're the second largest landmass, but only the 35th largest country in terms of population.

We aren't doing to bad considering there are only 36ish million people that live here.


Ranked 56th in the world for military service per capita and 111th for military spending as a percentage of GDP.


FWIW, NATO expenditure reporting: http://www.nato.int/nato_static/assets/pdf/pdf_2011_03/20110309_PR_CP_2011_027.pdf

FWIW, NATO target is 2% of GDP.  Few countries seem to pull that off, but all contribute.  Canada contributes much more than many.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:20:26 PM EDT
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Most people fail to realize that we're the second largest landmass, but only the 35th largest country in terms of population.

We aren't doing to bad considering there are only 36ish million people that live here.


Ranked 56th in the world for military service per capita and 111th for military spending as a percentage of GDP.

Can I get a link?

I'd like to use those numbers against any anti-military turds I occasionally run into, but won't without proof.
 


Wiki
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:24:27 PM EDT
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And not just a police force.  Who are they going to defend against?  The US could overrun the country in a day.  The US will stop any invasion/takeover to protect our own borders.

They could spend the money saved on more social programs. What are your thoughts?




I kind of doubt the US is going to over run anybody else any time soon.

Face it, the US is broke. The US Military has been fighting a hard war and occupation in Iraq and Afghanistan for the past decade. There is going to continue to be pressures put on it that are going to tax its resources.

Your President is a dove of the highest Jimmy Carter order. So lets revisit the whole "The US could roll over Canada in two weeks" thing after 2012, shall we?

The Canadian military was subject to a an evil social experiment from the mid 1960s until about 2005, that sought to destroy it as an institution and redefine it as some kind of "peacekeeping" force subordinated to the UN.

That has been under correction since the mid 2000s, but the re equipping and re establishment of the Canadian Army is going to take some time yet.

Sovereign nations should provide for their own defense within their means. Canada should not be dependant on the USA. That's not fair to either nation.

The entire population of Canada is about equal to that of the State of California.

Despite that, Canada is the United States biggest trading partner. Ditto for Canada. The economies and societies are so intertwined, they couldn't be separated if we went into some kind of half assed bizarro world war tomorrow.

We have all kinds of wonderfull natural resources that we would love to sell to the USA at cut rate prices for the benifit of both our economies and nations, if your jackass politicians in Washington would let us.

Canada has had a gut full of social programs and socialist experimentation over the last 40 years to last a lifetime. We are finally reversing that trend, much to the chagrin of our own home grown commies who scream daily in the headlines in the papers that Prime Minister Harper and his evil Conservatives are turning Canada into the evil, rascist, violent USA.

So why don't you ship this thread back to 1997, when it was relevant.



Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:26:13 PM EDT
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And not just a police force.  Who are they going to defend against?  The US could overrun the country in a day.  The US will stop any invasion/takeover to protect our own borders.

They could spend the money saved on more social programs. What are your thoughts?


I think our experience in Iraq and Afghanistan have shown that to be bullshit.

Yes, we could probably bomb the living hell out of any country, but I don't think I'd consider that "overrunning" the country.

I don't know what kind of cold weather training the majority of the US military receives, but history has shown that even the world's best armies can get KTFO by severe winters.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:34:01 PM EDT
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You mean they couldnt stop the largest invasion force in the history of the world made possible by the combined efforts of three superpowers? Well who would have thought it...

Yeah, we totally did that all by ourselves. No English, Irish, Free French, Free Poles, Canadians, Irish, or anyone else involved. Just the USA.


The Irish are so awesome, they were there twice.  




Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:35:52 PM EDT
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canadians are afraid of the dark - its well known.


I have heard that these guys are...

http://img158.imageshack.us/img158/1023/65000jtf2posteren009f12xj3.jpg



A CQB instructor of mine in the past was JTF2.  He was an...interesting character with some interesting stories, thats for sure
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:41:36 PM EDT
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OP, are you retarded? No really, I suspect you may actually be retarded.

Considering the resources within Canada's borders on their geographic location, I'm surprised they don't have a LARGER military. Always been a great ally as well. Why are you talking shit?

Go Canada.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:49:13 PM EDT
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I loves me some Canadian neighbors. Especially the English speaking ones. God bless their milk in a bag, Mum loving arses!!

 
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:51:38 PM EDT
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I'm a long time lurker.  I had to join just to comment on the truck load of stupid some posters here deliver.  There are a few posters on here that need to choke themselves.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:51:48 PM EDT
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They need the army for when their queen calls them into service.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:54:06 PM EDT
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How are those PT belts working out for you guys?
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:54:34 PM EDT
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I'm a long time lurker.  I had to join just to comment on the truck load of stupid some posters here deliver.  There are a few posters on here that need to choke themselves.


Intradesting first post.  



 
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:54:46 PM EDT
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I'm a long time lurker.  I had to join just to comment on the truck load of stupid some posters here deliver.  There are a few posters on here that need to choke themselves.


This is GD. You must not have been lurking that long if you just found stupid shit now.
Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:55:44 PM EDT
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And not just a police force.  Who are they going to defend against?  The US could overrun the country in a day.  The US will stop any invasion/takeover to protect our own borders.

They could spend the money saved on more social programs. What are your thoughts?


canada was down range with me in afghanistan.

you weren't.

Link Posted: 1/5/2012 6:58:55 PM EDT
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And not just a police force.  Who are they going to defend against?  The US could overrun the country in a day.  The US will stop any invasion/takeover to protect our own borders.

They could spend the money saved on more social programs. What are your thoughts?


canada was down range with me in afghanistan.

you weren't.



This should have been the first reply.
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