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Posted: 8/8/2013 9:56:09 AM EDT
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The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens? Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us? The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day. I hate him for stuff he maybe might have sort of done too! Maybe he sold heroin to little kids! that bastard! keep licking those boots clean, guys |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 9:56:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yup. Release some info to get the Assange ball garglers to get on his side, then take laptops full of secrets and move to Russia. Real American patriot right there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens? Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us? The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day. Yup. Release some info to get the Assange ball garglers to get on his side, then take laptops full of secrets and move to Russia. Real American patriot right there.  Sure it is possible, but I don't see why one would necessarily imply the other. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 9:57:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much sums up why I think every Snowden supporter has the IQ of an old sneaker. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens? Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us? The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day. Yup. Release some info to get the Assange ball garglers to get on his side, then take laptops full of secrets and move to Russia. Real American patriot right there. So revealing the truth about our tyrannical government is unpatriotic? Pretty much sums up why I think every Snowden supporter has the IQ of an old sneaker. If he exposed the policy about spying on us and stayed inside the US and fought for what was right, he might be considered a hero. When he ran to China and Russia and made the choice every single day to buy his time there with our secrets and put real heroes at risk, he became a traitor who should be hung. I mean that from the bottom of my heart as someone who is 100% against the death penalty for anything but treason. There is more than one issue with this to consider when deciding whether to stand him on a dais and put a medal or a noose on him. What about the current administration? |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 9:58:37 AM EDT
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Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info. He could of went to the press with it instead. this reminds me of what the sandinistas used to say about their political prisoners - "If they weren't guilty they wouldnt be in jail" fun times, people, fun times At least Obama and his crack team of spies is keeping us safe from TERRORISM At least we have that going for us |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 9:58:50 AM EDT
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Once the case against him is publicized, I'm willing to bet there are going to be a lot of supporters of his doing complete 180s. He is one of the worst traitors in our recent history and hanging is too good of an end. He's still got less blood on his hands than Obama. (Benghazi, Fast and Furious) 
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Posted: 8/8/2013 9:59:22 AM EDT
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I'm having a hard time forming a solid opinion, one way or the other. He exposed some vile shit but put others at risk in doing so; thus my conflict.
Considering the source (.gov) I can't believe with 100% confidence that we're getting the entire story. We probably never will. Yes, Russia is harboring him. We'd do the exact same thing with an intelligence operative of a rival country, regardless of what he did or didn't do, just for the sake of sticking it to 'em. It may no longer be the Cold War, but it's hardly warmed up much. All the while, an awful lot is getting swept under the rug i.e. F&F, Benghazi, etc. Again, consider the source. Tough call IMO |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:00:19 AM EDT
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Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info. He could of went to the press with it instead. Where do you run when "The shining beacon of freedom on a hill" isn't? |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:00:25 AM EDT
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This should not even be about Snowden. It should be about the tyrannous government spying on us. honestly, he didn't release anything in that regard that was already pretty much known by anyone actually paying attention. about the only "secret" in that regard was the actual name of the program.  Wikipedia DCSNet, Carnivore Packet Sniffing Program... a lot of which most people already assumed was happening in most of the IT industry. we just didn't know the names. the only thing he did was confirm much of which was already assumed. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:00:56 AM EDT
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I don't hate him This. He pissed off this administration, he's good in my book. I have more respect for Putin than I do Obama. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:02:09 AM EDT
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You really think that's all he did? What rock have you been living under? this. there is a reason the soviets are harboring him. He is a just a political football. I think you guys watch too many movies. I think some of the older members here are still living in the cold war era only the names have changed. if you think there is still not a socialist/communist threat to this country you have your head in the sand. the battle didn't stop, only the players and tactics changed. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:03:15 AM EDT
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Snowden leaked enough operational intelligence material COMPLETELY UNRELATED to anything having to do with domestic surveillance to warrant espionage charges. bingo! |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:03:35 AM EDT
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Because a lot of the experts here had to backtrack on their bullshit about how these arbitrary powers don't exist and it makes them look like rejected fools.
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:03:42 AM EDT
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only the names have changed. if you think there is still not a socialist/communist threat to this country you have your head in the sand. the battle didn't stop, only the players and tactics changed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You really think that's all he did? What rock have you been living under? this. there is a reason the soviets are harboring him. He is a just a political football. I think you guys watch too many movies. I think some of the older members here are still living in the cold war era only the names have changed. if you think there is still not a socialist/communist threat to this country you have your head in the sand. the battle didn't stop, only the players and tactics changed. Sure, there is absolutely a socialist/communist threat to this country. Except that now it's within our own borders |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:03:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: a lot of which most people already assumed was happening in most of the IT industry. we just didn't know the names. the only thing he did was confirm much of which was already assumed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Wikipedia DCSNet, Carnivore Packet Sniffing Program... a lot of which most people already assumed was happening in most of the IT industry. we just didn't know the names. the only thing he did was confirm much of which was already assumed. They have had a direct plug in the switching equipment for ever.
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:05:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty much sums up why I think every Snowden supporter has the IQ of an old sneaker. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens? Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us? The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day. Yup. Release some info to get the Assange ball garglers to get on his side, then take laptops full of secrets and move to Russia. Real American patriot right there. So revealing the truth about our tyrannical government is unpatriotic? Pretty much sums up why I think every Snowden supporter has the IQ of an old sneaker. If he exposed the policy about spying on us and stayed inside the US and fought for what was right, he might be considered a hero. When he ran to China and Russia and made the choice every single day to buy his time there with our secrets and put real heroes at risk, he became a traitor who should be hung. I mean that from the bottom of my heart as someone who is 100% against the death penalty for anything but treason. There is more than one issue with this to consider when deciding whether to stand him on a dais and put a medal or a noose on him. Here is a complimentary set of jack boots.  |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:05:17 AM EDT
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only the names have changed. if you think there is still not a socialist/communist threat to this country you have your head in the sand. the battle didn't stop, only the players and tactics changed. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You really think that's all he did? What rock have you been living under? this. there is a reason the soviets are harboring him. He is a just a political football. I think you guys watch too many movies. I think some of the older members here are still living in the cold war era only the names have changed. if you think there is still not a socialist/communist threat to this country you have your head in the sand. the battle didn't stop, only the players and tactics changed. 
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:05:49 AM EDT
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Snowden leaked enough operational intelligence material COMPLETELY UNRELATED to anything having to do with domestic surveillance to warrant espionage charges. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet. Isn't that we we always say when we kill a few innocents through collateral damage? And for any Federal Agency spying on me...get bent. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:07:31 AM EDT
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The American electorate, in all their wisdom, put the socialist/communist threat in the White House. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think some of the older members here are still living in the cold war era only the names have changed. if you think there is still not a socialist/communist threat to this country you have your head in the sand. the battle didn't stop, only the players and tactics changed.
The American electorate, in all their wisdom, put the socialist/communist threat in the White House. Surely our socialist government isn't a threat to us. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:10:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: People in my industry (telecom) was already aware of it. They have had a direct plug in the switching equipment for ever. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Wikipedia DCSNet, Carnivore Packet Sniffing Program... a lot of which most people already assumed was happening in most of the IT industry. we just didn't know the names. the only thing he did was confirm much of which was already assumed. They have had a direct plug in the switching equipment for ever. True, rumors of those systems go back even before 9/11. However, no one knew that all the data about everything was being stored for possible later review. Even a couple months ago in the Utah datacenter threads people were saying it was impossible for the government to capture and store all that data. Now we find out they have been doing that for awhile. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:12:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Going to the press might not be safe. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hastings-panicked-email-fbi-death-article-1.1380539 This reporter was covering Snowden. Could be coincidence, who knows. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Freedom loving patriotic Americans don't run to commie countries to leak info. He could of went to the press with it instead. Going to the press might not be safe. http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/hastings-panicked-email-fbi-death-article-1.1380539 This reporter was covering Snowden. Could be coincidence, who knows. Interesting  |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:13:05 AM EDT
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I'm having a hard time forming a solid opinion, one way or the other. He exposed some vile shit but put others at risk in doing so; thus my conflict. Considering the source (.gov) I can't believe with 100% confidence that we're getting the entire story. We probably never will. Yes, Russia is harboring him. We'd do the exact same thing with an intelligence operative of a rival country, regardless of what he did or didn't do, just for the sake of sticking it to 'em. It may no longer be the Cold War, but it's hardly warmed up much. All the while, an awful lot is getting swept under the rug i.e. F&F, Benghazi, etc. Again, consider the source. Tough call IMO that is pretty much where i stand. but the more information i get the less warm and fuzzy i have for this guy. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:14:04 AM EDT
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So revealing the truth about our tyrannical government is unpatriotic? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens? Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us? The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day. Yup. Release some info to get the Assange ball garglers to get on his side, then take laptops full of secrets and move to Russia. Real American patriot right there. So revealing the truth about our tyrannical government is unpatriotic? 1) Don't overstate your case. 2) That ain't all he did. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:15:38 AM EDT
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True, rumors of those systems go back even before 9/11. However, no one knew that all the data about everything was being stored for possible later review. Even a couple months ago in the Utah datacenter threads people were saying it was impossible for the government to capture and store all that data. Now we find out they have been doing that for awhile. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wikipedia DCSNet, Carnivore Packet Sniffing Program... a lot of which most people already assumed was happening in most of the IT industry. we just didn't know the names. the only thing he did was confirm much of which was already assumed. True, rumors of those systems go back even before 9/11. However, no one knew that all the data about everything was being stored for possible later review. Even a couple months ago in the Utah datacenter threads people were saying it was impossible for the government to capture and store all that data. Now we find out they have been doing that for awhile. i disagree. we have ALWAYS assumed anything they had access to was recorded for long term use. hell they don't even get rid of paper. the only limitation in the past was the cost of storage. that is a moot point now days. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:15:45 AM EDT
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He is a just a political football. I think you guys watch too many movies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You really think that's all he did? What rock have you been living under? this. there is a reason the soviets are harboring him. He is a just a political football. I think you guys watch too many movies. Whether he is a dupe or an operative, he is providing useful information and propaganda to an enemy. He is doing it deliberately, at this point. I'd call that treason. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:17:52 AM EDT
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If Manning got away with it, why would Snowden be convicted? Serious question. Manning was convicted of violating the espionage act. He will spend many years in jail. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:19:05 AM EDT
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You really think that's all he did? What rock have you been living under? this. there is a reason the soviets are harboring him. He is a just a political football. I think you guys watch too many movies. I think some of the older members here are still living in the cold war era If you believe the Russians are not our adversaries, you are a fool. Putin wants to rebuild and rebrand the Soviet Empire. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:20:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Because a lot of the experts here had to backtrack on their bullshit about how these arbitrary powers don't exist and it makes them look like rejected fools. It shows who the REAL 'useful idiots' are . |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:20:32 AM EDT
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only the names have changed. if you think there is still not a socialist/communist threat to this country you have your head in the sand. the battle didn't stop, only the players and tactics changed. I agree with that, we have enemies, but the greatest socialist/commie threat is from within. We have this behemoth of a government that by it's very nature couldn't keep a secret. It is probably pretty frightening how easy it is to get information from our gov without having to leave a desk. We're watching a political football game. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:20:49 AM EDT
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If you believe the Russians are not our adversaries, you are a fool. Putin wants to rebuild and rebrand the Soviet Empire. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You really think that's all he did? What rock have you been living under? this. there is a reason the soviets are harboring him. He is a just a political football. I think you guys watch too many movies. I think some of the older members here are still living in the cold war era If you believe the Russians are not our adversaries, you are a fool. Putin wants to rebuild and rebrand the Soviet Empire. He doesn't have to. It's being built right here, right now by our current administration |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:24:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:26:59 AM EDT
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Whether he is a dupe or an operative, he is providing useful information and propaganda to an enemy. He is doing it deliberately, at this point. I'd call that treason. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You really think that's all he did? What rock have you been living under? this. there is a reason the soviets are harboring him. He is a just a political football. I think you guys watch too many movies. Whether he is a dupe or an operative, he is providing useful information and propaganda to an enemy. He is doing it deliberately, at this point. I'd call that treason. How do you know all this? |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:27:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i don't think the soviets really give a shit about that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You really think that's all he did? What rock have you been living under? this. there is a reason the soviets are harboring him. Because the US has pressured every other country not to take him at the risk of losing foreign aid? i don't think the soviets really give a shit about that. For some reason I find it hilarious that you have now called them Soviets twice. I know there's a reason for it but it's still funny.
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:28:01 AM EDT
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How do you know all this? I guess you didn't see his video where he talked about how the CIA tried (at least) to turn a swiss banker. Catch up. Run off to google. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:29:04 AM EDT
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Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet. Isn't that we we always say when we kill a few innocents through collateral damage? And for any Federal Agency spying on me...get bent. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Snowden leaked enough operational intelligence material COMPLETELY UNRELATED to anything having to do with domestic surveillance to warrant espionage charges. Gotta break a few eggs to make an omelet. Isn't that we we always say when we kill a few innocents through collateral damage? And for any Federal Agency spying on me...get bent. No, you don't. Leaking operational details about overseas intelligence efforts has nothing to do with domestic intelligence gathering. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:29:29 AM EDT
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Manning was convicted of violating the espionage act. He will spend many years in jail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If Manning got away with it, why would Snowden be convicted? Serious question. Manning was convicted of violating the espionage act. He will spend many years in jail. Manning should have been executed. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:29:51 AM EDT
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Snowden is a man. Nothing more, nothing less. I respect the hell out of him for releasing the information about the US spying on it's citizens. I also agree with his decision to flee to countries that would not extradite him back to the US where I'm not sure he would have received a fair trial.
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:31:03 AM EDT
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So revealing the truth about our tyrannical government is unpatriotic? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens? Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us? The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day. Yup. Release some info to get the Assange ball garglers to get on his side, then take laptops full of secrets and move to Russia. Real American patriot right there. So revealing the truth about our tyrannical government is unpatriotic? if it damages obama, it's unpatriotic. if it damages bush/republicans, it's patriotic |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:33:36 AM EDT
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There is no proof he did that. Why do you think releasing info telling us our government spies on EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED ONE OF US WITHOUT A WARRANT imply that he wants to sell us out to the Chinese or Russians?
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I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens? Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us? The information he released on domestic spying gave him legitimacy. However, it is VERY LIKELY that he gave very sensitive information to the Russians and Chinese. It is the same logic that a broken clock is right two times a day. Yup. Release some info to get the Assange ball garglers to get on his side, then take laptops full of secrets and move to Russia. Real American patriot right there.
Sure it is possible, but I don't see why one would necessarily imply the other. Horseshit. He has loads of secret data, by his own admission. Based on the leaks so far, but of that data has to do with FOREIGN intelligence gathering. He now resides in Russia. You have to be a special kind of gullible to think the Russians don't have that info, whether or not he wants them to have it. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:38:06 AM EDT
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He doesn't have to. It's being built right here, right now by our current administration For all the weaknesses of the current admin (and they are legion), you obviously have no idea of what Soviet Russia was like if you say that. I had relatives in East Germany I visited as a kid. THAT was true tyranny. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:38:37 AM EDT
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You really think that's all he did? What rock have you been living under? this. there is a reason the soviets are harboring him. He is a just a political football. I think you guys watch too many movies. Whether he is a dupe or an operative, he is providing useful information and propaganda to an enemy. He is doing it deliberately, at this point. I'd call that treason. How do you know all this? Because I'm not an idiot. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:39:10 AM EDT
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Just trying on the new title ...
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:40:35 AM EDT
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Just trying on the new title ... LOL |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:45:19 AM EDT
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For all the weaknesses of the current admin (and they are legion), you obviously have no idea of what Soviet Russia was like if you say that. I had relatives in East Germany I visited as a kid. THAT was true tyranny. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He doesn't have to. It's being built right here, right now by our current administration For all the weaknesses of the current admin (and they are legion), you obviously have no idea of what Soviet Russia was like if you say that. I had relatives in East Germany I visited as a kid. THAT was true tyranny. you're right we're not there yet. but we do seem to be heading there at an ever accelerating rate |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:45:26 AM EDT
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For all the weaknesses of the current admin (and they are legion), you obviously have no idea of what Soviet Russia was like if you say that. I had relatives in East Germany I visited as a kid. THAT was true tyranny. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He doesn't have to. It's being built right here, right now by our current administration For all the weaknesses of the current admin (and they are legion), you obviously have no idea of what Soviet Russia was like if you say that. I had relatives in East Germany I visited as a kid. THAT was true tyranny. I didn't say it was here yet, but it's coming. All you have to do is study history |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:45:29 AM EDT
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Not sure if he ever tried to do the right thing...
But whistle blowing is dangerous. Not many Behghazi whistle blowers showing up right now.....wonder where they are? Not enough info to make a judgement on him but he's made his bed elsewhere so he's left himself open to mis-interpretation of his motives.. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:46:04 AM EDT
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And all the while obunghole leaks top secrets almost daily. This. And our gov. is as corrupt as Russia's. I look at him as a modern day Benedict Arnold. A man that took heroic action for his countrymen, but, for reasons of political reprisal and self preservation turned to the enemy and gave up secrets morphing him from a patriot to traitor. So, I think the best course of action, would be what we offered for Arnold. Execute him as a spy, but take the patriotic portion of the man and bury it with full honors. For Arnold, it was a leg wounded in battle, for Snowden, I suppose it would be the hand that hit the key to get the NSA information. |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:46:04 AM EDT
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I hate him because hes banging hookers in Russia and Im not.
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:50:28 AM EDT
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He doesn't have to. It's being built right here, right now by our current administration For all the weaknesses of the current admin (and they are legion), you obviously have no idea of what Soviet Russia was like if you say that. I had relatives in East Germany I visited as a kid. THAT was true tyranny. I didn't say it was here yet, but it's coming. All you have to do is study history Then let's not go fuckin' nuts and give ole Comrade Putin the keys to our security establishment just yet, eh? |
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:52:55 AM EDT
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he is a hero
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Posted: 8/8/2013 10:56:21 AM EDT
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If people accept what he did, they will have to reevaluate who they are and what they believe in and people hate being uncomfortable. If what he says is true, it's hopeless since both parties are responsible for this and accepting it means you have to get out of your comfort bubble. It's always been "it's the other sides fault!" But now, who do you turn to? It would also mean, you actually might have to do something other than vote.... ...and that's hard, so lets hate Snowden and use him as an escape goat for our own reluctance to get angry. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see people wishing he was in jail and saying that he is a traitor and that Obama needs to prosecute him So he's a traitor for revealing that the government is spying on it's own citizens? Is it unpatriotic to not want the government spying on us? If people accept what he did, they will have to reevaluate who they are and what they believe in and people hate being uncomfortable. If what he says is true, it's hopeless since both parties are responsible for this and accepting it means you have to get out of your comfort bubble. It's always been "it's the other sides fault!" But now, who do you turn to? It would also mean, you actually might have to do something other than vote.... ...and that's hard, so lets hate Snowden and use him as an escape goat for our own reluctance to get angry. came to post something similiar to this. |
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