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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:07:28 PM EDT
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Ok, now that I won't use fireclean. What should I use?
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:11:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI want some unicorn dick,lube  |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:12:12 PM EDT
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No doubt. Kinda like the pool store. They sell bleach for twice or more what you could get at wal mart. But they don't call,it bleach Alkalinity up is baking soda. They even list ingredient as sodium hydrogen carbonate, which is correct, but many people recognize the other Chemical name, sodium bicarbonate, so they don't use that. 
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Honestly, I never heard of Fire Clean until I read this thread... Arfcom doesn't have any grad students with access to a GC Mass spec? 
FC has been pushed pretty hard in certain circles by various tactical celebrities with all kinds of statements about its awesome powers. The primary one I've heard has been that it doesn't let carbon cake on and wipes off easily...but I'm willing to bet most oil type lubricants will do the same if used sensibly. I've always generously lubricated my guns and I don't get a lot of carbon buildup. On an AR if my bolt and carrier aren't shiny I usually re-lube. It usually wipes down fairly easily with carbon buildup only happening on the tail of the bolt. I would absolutely LOVE to see a whole bunch of lubes put through some sophisticated instruments. I bet a lot of them would look a hell of a lot like various other lubrication products on the market that can be had much less expensively...but perhaps with some additives useful for preventing corrosion or detergents for easier cleanup. They sell bleach for twice or more what you could get at wal mart. But they don't call,it bleach Alkalinity up is baking soda. They even list ingredient as sodium hydrogen carbonate, which is correct, but many people recognize the other Chemical name, sodium bicarbonate, so they don't use that.
I bake baking soda in the oven to remove co2 and the baking soda becomes soda ash, which i use to increase the alk in my reef aquarium. plain old baking soda can be used, but the co2 in it will lower the PH, where soda ash gives it a slight boost. the white small ball ice melt is just calcium chloride which for a while was being used to boost calcium, but Prestone changed supplier and it was found to have some additives that could harm reef aquariums, so people had to buy bulk from aquarium suppliers again. one of the 2 parts used to mix amagnesium booster is just epson salts. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:12:14 PM EDT
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Ok, now that I won't use fireclean. What should I use? Whatever you've got now should be fine. Seriously. If you've got a tube of Mobil 28 hanging around, use it. If you've got some Lucas gun oil hanging around, use it. If you've got some Ballistol around, use it. Damn near anything that won't gum up until well below zero and that won't cook off until temp is in the hundreds of degrees will work for most guns in most environments. Just lube generously, and be ready to reapply in a preventative fashion...especially on carry guns. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:13:02 PM EDT
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Neither had I Arfcom doesn't have any grad students with access to a GC Mass spec?
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Honestly, I never heard of Fire Clean until I read this thread... Arfcom doesn't have any grad students with access to a GC Mass spec?
I know someone at Woods Hole...
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:15:24 PM EDT
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Ok, now that I won't use fireclean. What should I use? honestly? pretty much anything. i think the only bad gun care product I remember using was either tw25b or tetra gun grease turned to cheese when mixed with powder fouling. my advice is this. if its non toxic and bodegrable skip it. its likely shit. break free, FP-10, Mpro 7 clp, surplus sent clp, axles grease, mobil one of its wal mart alternative, bar and chain oil, royal purple, hoppes, etc all work. people get all super worked up over gun lubes. its oil. the most important thing about weapons lube is simply keeping the weapon lubed with the right amount of lube. the brand really is irrelevant. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:15:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I know someone at Woods Hole... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Honestly, I never heard of Fire Clean until I read this thread... Arfcom doesn't have any grad students with access to a GC Mass spec? I know someone at Woods Hole... |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:18:01 PM EDT
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Interestingly enough, Gun Oil Sex Lube is actually a thing in England. I came across that looking up Snake Oil gun lube. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's wrong with some plain old motor oil? Cheap and not wanting in most climates. No fucking shit. Use Mobile 1 if you want. It's not fucking sex lube people. Which is usually little more than glycerin and water. Interestingly enough, Gun Oil Sex Lube is actually a thing in England. I came across that looking up Snake Oil gun lube. You can get it here as well, although I really didn't care for it. Never tried it on a firearm though, so no idea there. 
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:19:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryA good synopsis of everything I hate in the gun lube industry. Gotta get me some UDL though, that shit sounds awesome. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:20:19 PM EDT
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That's where I think greases may be a better solution for most. Most people are not firing 1,000 rounds through their weapon in a day. (You can't fire that many rounds through an AR full-auto continuously without cook offs and other unpleasantness) The gun is inactive more than it's active and liquid lubes migrate elsewhere due to gravity. A grease that will stay in place with some corrosion resistant properties and an excellent ability to encapsulate particles so they don't become points of friction would likely serve most people's purposes better. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Most popular lubes kind of suck at that, IMO. Some seem good at full-auto torture tests, but don't last more than a few weeks without drying out. It's a shame weapons lubes often don't see proper test routines. That's where I think greases may be a better solution for most. Most people are not firing 1,000 rounds through their weapon in a day. (You can't fire that many rounds through an AR full-auto continuously without cook offs and other unpleasantness) The gun is inactive more than it's active and liquid lubes migrate elsewhere due to gravity. A grease that will stay in place with some corrosion resistant properties and an excellent ability to encapsulate particles so they don't become points of friction would likely serve most people's purposes better. Yeah, grease works very well indeed, especially with handguns. I stopped using oil in handguns after ruining a couple of shirts due to migrating oil. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:20:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A good synopsis of everything I hate in the gun lube industry. Gotta get me some UDL though, that shit sounds awesome. Quote HistoryQuoted: A good synopsis of everything I hate in the gun lube industry. Gotta get me some UDL though, that shit sounds awesome. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:22:30 PM EDT
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They are working on UPL as well. It's thinner and straight guys can eat it as well as lube guns with it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A good synopsis of everything I hate in the gun lube industry. Gotta get me some UDL though, that shit sounds awesome. Ballistol works as a sex lube but is not condom safe and will make your reproductive session smell of sweat socks and licorice. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:23:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can get it here as well, although I really didn't care for it. Never tried it on a firearm though, so no idea there. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: What's wrong with some plain old motor oil? Cheap and not wanting in most climates. No fucking shit. Use Mobile 1 if you want. It's not fucking sex lube people. Which is usually little more than glycerin and water. Interestingly enough, Gun Oil Sex Lube is actually a thing in England. I came across that looking up Snake Oil gun lube. You can get it here as well, although I really didn't care for it. Never tried it on a firearm though, so no idea there. So you used it before huh? |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:29:51 PM EDT
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Crisco shortening is a solid at room temp. Crisco canola oil!? Google says minus 10 C for canola oil Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a LA ICP MS and proprietary MATLAB codes for analysis, but no nebulizer. How cold does crisco need to be to get to a solid state? Crisco canola oil!? Google says minus 10 C for canola oil With the LA ICP MS, I have to have a solid to shoot into. I think he mentioned that the crisco was two oils he found. Would have to be frozen solid to run, and I'm not entirely sure what kind of mess ablated crisco will do to the chamber.
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:32:13 PM EDT
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I use fire clean and it seems fine. I have never paid for it as I get a metric shit ton of samples at SHOT every year. I don't know what is in all this lube stuff. I use Mobil One and the Fire clean because I get it free. Both work well. When you consider price to volume Mobil One is by far cheaper. I am not lube anal. I lube it and fire !
 When it is dirty I clean it.  Never any problems.
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:33:57 PM EDT
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The bottom line is gun solvents, lubes have been around a long time, I have several guns over 100 years old that are not rusted, not gunked up from carbon. My point is NONE of these new cleaners have reinvented the wheel, yea they may be incrementally better in some ways but overall they ain't any better than the products available. It's all marketing gimmicks and anyone that jumps on the bandwagon of these products as the bestest greatest evar, well their nothing more than the sham wow guy.
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:36:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: With the LA ICP MS, I have to have a solid to shoot into. I think he mentioned that the crisco was two oils he found. Would have to be frozen solid to run, and I'm not entirely sure what kind of mess ablated crisco will do to the chamber. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have a LA ICP MS and proprietary MATLAB codes for analysis, but no nebulizer. How cold does crisco need to be to get to a solid state? Crisco canola oil!? Google says minus 10 C for canola oil With the LA ICP MS, I have to have a solid to shoot into. I think he mentioned that the crisco was two oils he found. Would have to be frozen solid to run, and I'm not entirely sure what kind of mess ablated crisco will do to the chamber.  . |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:39:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I use fire clean and it seems fine. I have never paid for it as I get a metric shit ton of samples at SHOT every year. I don't know what is in all this lube stuff. I use Mobil One and the Fire clean because I get it free. Both work well. When you consider price to volume Mobil One is by far cheaper. I am not lube anal. I lube it and fire ! When it is dirty I clean it. Never any problems.EE and Dino done turned this into an anal lube thread. |
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:39:36 PM EDT
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Just use white lithium grease and or Mobil1....
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Posted: 9/12/2015 11:47:10 PM EDT
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With the LA ICP MS, I have to have a solid to shoot into. I think he mentioned that the crisco was two oils he found. Would have to be frozen solid to run, and I'm not entirely sure what kind of mess ablated crisco will do to the chamber. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have a LA ICP MS and proprietary MATLAB codes for analysis, but no nebulizer. How cold does crisco need to be to get to a solid state? Crisco canola oil!? Google says minus 10 C for canola oil With the LA ICP MS, I have to have a solid to shoot into. I think he mentioned that the crisco was two oils he found. Would have to be frozen solid to run, and I'm not entirely sure what kind of mess ablated crisco will do to the chamber. From the crisco website: Ingredients:
SOYBEAN OIL, FULLY HYDROGENATED PALM OIL, PALM OIL, MONO AND DIGLYCERIDES, TBHQ AND CITRIC ACID (ANTIOXIDANTS). Palm oil freezes at 35C, soybean oil at -16C as per some vegan cooking website I dredged up in three seconds. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 12:05:17 AM EDT
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A shame the author of that blog stepped on his dick in the EE. He was a decent poster here. What happened? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_109/832239_.html I'll never understand how people get so worked up over this stuff. If a guy doesn't pay, sell it to someone else, and cut all this drama. Imagine if Amazon (or any other retailer) forced you to buy anything you added to your cart? That's basically what the rule is in the EE. It's also a big reason people only want to send emails for EE transactions. Keeps everything off this site, free from it's rules. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 1:09:27 AM EDT
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Neither had I Arfcom doesn't have any grad students with access to a GC Mass spec?
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Honestly, I never heard of Fire Clean until I read this thread... Arfcom doesn't have any grad students with access to a GC Mass spec?
Why bother in the M4Carbine thread there is a link to the Patent Docs and it specifically mentions that it is a blend of veggie oils. So not actually Crisco....just made out of all the base elements of Crisco.....honestly at this point who give a damn. If you want to use Veggie Oil go swing by your local grocery store and buy a 32ox bottle of a three different off brand oils and mix them together. For about $20 bucks you will have enough "gun oil" to last a decade....just store the concoction in the pantry so it is not exposed to direct sunlight. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 1:17:08 AM EDT
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vuurwapenblog...
Now that's a name I haven't heard in a long time. I remember trying to access his blog but it was invalid for a few years. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 1:36:37 AM EDT
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Science bitches..... How does that work.. Amazing how even with the power of the internet, folks can still be convinced to buy expensive shit like Fire clean, or frog lube or gun better or some other such nonsense... One $5 quart of Mobil 1 and you have enough lubricant to last you for many years.... Yup. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 1:46:50 AM EDT
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George Fennell.. There's a name I haven't heard in a while. That article mentions that he's had bad things to say about FP-10, funny cuz he was supposed to have invented it and sure did think it was the best thing since mother's milk on his old FP-10 forum. He was a nice guy back then but certainly not shy with his opinions. He was a good part of the anti-militec movement back in the day, he does seem to enjoy taking the piss out of competitors, but he was right about militec in my experience, and I've got fifteen year old guns with a lot of rounds through 'em that have had a steady diet of FP-10 that look better than they should IMO. I admit to drinking some Fennell kool-aid about 15 years ago and his product has never given me reason to look elsewhere. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 1:51:07 AM EDT
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lol suckers
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Posted: 9/13/2015 1:51:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The LAV will not be pleased...he promotes this stuff pretty often a fat guy likes crisco and we all act surprised? Get it together people, this is some bush league obvious shit right here |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 2:02:32 AM EDT
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I was banned from the LAV's facebook when I pointed out that FireClean turns to a hard waxy mess below freezing and can jam up the BCG of an AR, as a Cajun chef and frymaster, I also commented that it has the smell and consistency of used fry oil. LAV even made a statement that "Fireclean isn't for safe queens, but rifles that you shoot all day" almost to mitigate that shit turns to wax if left cold. FWIW I have used it in 1911s and on AR's in normal temperatures and the guns LOOK cleaner than with thicker lubes like SLIP 2000 and Wilson Ultimate, but that's also because that shit is burning off when you shoot it. I have not had any stoppages, but I'm not a huge fan. My go to's: AR platform (and any gas operated rifle): EWL 1911: Wilson pink "ultimate" lube and Mobil 1 Bolt guns: Mobil 1 I was banned for saying ACDC isn't the best band ever.... I'm glad I ran out of this stuff early on... |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 2:07:30 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Andrew is incorrect. Canola oil is made from rape. The good kind of rape. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 2:07:47 AM EDT
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I haven't used carb cleaner, used brake parts cleaner though. I'll give the crisco a try though to see if it's the same as fireclean, Bc literally a couple drops is all it takes, and it takes off carbon without effort. For the suppressed guys, I can't recommend it enough. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I literally have 20 different cleaners/Protectants/lube on my bench. And though I don't use fire clean for a lubricant, it works wonders for removing carbon. It's the only thing that can keep my Pistons clean on my suppressor, now I can easily change from one piston to another. Ever tried brake cleaner/carb cleaner? Eating carbon is what it's designed for. I haven't used carb cleaner, used brake parts cleaner though. I'll give the crisco a try though to see if it's the same as fireclean, Bc literally a couple drops is all it takes, and it takes off carbon without effort. For the suppressed guys, I can't recommend it enough. FWIW, vegetable oil is used as a less toxic replacement for mineral spirits for cleaning certain types of equipment. I would not be surprised if it worked. Virtually any oil will work if it doesn't burn off too fast and isn't solid at the temp you're using it, and if you don't apply it like a retard. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 2:14:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To their credit, Crisco is very popular in the black powder community. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 4:05:13 AM EDT
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I'm way behind the curve on the cool kids' gun products, and haven't tried this stuff or Froglube.
My supplies are mundane: Hoppes #9, naphtha, non-chlorinated brake cleaner, or mineral spirits for most cleaning. Sometimes ATF if I can handle the pungency.mbutch's Bore Shine or Sweet's 7.62 are somewhere on my shelf, too. For lube: FP10 with its cinnamon odor and Teflon-free formula is my preference for precision barrels. Otherwise, I use Mobil 1, BF CLP, and a decent moly grease from the auto parts store. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 6:28:04 AM EDT
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LOL. Why buy Mobil1 then? Buy a quart of Walmart Brand oil. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Science bitches..... How does that work.. Amazing how even with the power of the internet, folks can still be convinced to buy expensive shit like Fire clean, or frog lube or gun better or some other such nonsense... One $5 quart of Mobil 1 and you have enough lubricant to last you for many years.... LOL. Why buy Mobil1 then? Buy a quart of Walmart Brand oil. Ring chain molecules, amongst other things, according to the expert Old_Painless talked to. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 6:59:22 AM EDT
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It's a shame 87GN isn't around anymore. What's the story on 87GN? |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 8:18:46 AM EDT
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It's a shame 87GN isn't around anymore. What's the story on 87GN? http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_7_109/832239_.html |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 8:57:07 AM EDT
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It's a shame 87GN isn't around anymore. What's the story on 87GN? Cmon try to keep up, half-stepper. Lol Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 9:25:54 AM EDT
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pretty much what I thought. Canola oil did exactly jack and shit to carbon. I soaked the FS overnight and it did nothing. I'm thinking the people who claim fireclean cleans carbon doesn't. it cleans powder fouling and they don't know the difference.
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Posted: 9/13/2015 9:33:27 AM EDT
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I use mobil one for gun oil My MAC10 would kick the ass of all the normal gun oils as it heated up but mobil one kept it running Same here. Read a suggestion here years ago to use it, and it works great. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 9:35:25 AM EDT
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I've been using Mobil 1 since before it was trendy, I'll stick with that as it's free. I use what's leftover from oil changes.
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Posted: 9/13/2015 9:39:42 AM EDT
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honestly? pretty much anything. i think the only bad gun care product I remember using was either tw25b or tetra gun grease turned to cheese when mixed with powder fouling. my advice is this. if its non toxic and bodegrable skip it. its likely shit. break free, FP-10, Mpro 7 clp, surplus sent clp, axles grease, mobil one of its wal mart alternative, bar and chain oil, royal purple, hoppes, etc all work. people get all super worked up over gun lubes. its oil. the most important thing about weapons lube is simply keeping the weapon lubed with the right amount of lube. the brand really is irrelevant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok, now that I won't use fireclean. What should I use? honestly? pretty much anything. i think the only bad gun care product I remember using was either tw25b or tetra gun grease turned to cheese when mixed with powder fouling. my advice is this. if its non toxic and bodegrable skip it. its likely shit. break free, FP-10, Mpro 7 clp, surplus sent clp, axles grease, mobil one of its wal mart alternative, bar and chain oil, royal purple, hoppes, etc all work. people get all super worked up over gun lubes. its oil. the most important thing about weapons lube is simply keeping the weapon lubed with the right amount of lube. the brand really is irrelevant. Wait! Tw25b is no good? I thought it was arf approved? My head hurts....we need a lighted status wheel telling us what lubes are good and what have fallen out of vogue....maybe attach it as a banner to top of home page |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 9:51:27 AM EDT
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Ok, now that I won't use fireclean. What should I use? honestly? pretty much anything. i think the only bad gun care product I remember using was either tw25b or tetra gun grease turned to cheese when mixed with powder fouling. my advice is this. if its non toxic and bodegrable skip it. its likely shit. break free, FP-10, Mpro 7 clp, surplus sent clp, axles grease, mobil one of its wal mart alternative, bar and chain oil, royal purple, hoppes, etc all work. people get all super worked up over gun lubes. its oil. the most important thing about weapons lube is simply keeping the weapon lubed with the right amount of lube. the brand really is irrelevant. Wait! Tw25b is no good? I thought it was arf approved? My head hurts....we need a lighted status wheel telling us what lubes are good and what have fallen out of vogue....maybe attach it as a banner to top of home page it was either tetra or tw25b grease. I think it was tetra. put it on my witness .45 and had issues with it drying up and getting gummy with powder fouling. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 9:54:19 AM EDT
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I know they say don't put tw25 in the bore or it will sludge, but I have had good results using it on my slide rails
Curious if others like it or don't like it. I have a few bottles of EWL 2000, seems like after that is done, I will stick with the mobil 1 I have in my garage and never hit gun shop again. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 10:15:46 AM EDT
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I still have a can of g96 from like 1996. Works good, smells good. Lulz I still have 2 qts and 7-8 little bottles of Break Free CLP that the armorer rotated out in 1993. Works. Only thing I've added is TW25B and a Birchwood bore cleaner. I don't get this fad for designer lubes and cleaners. When the CLP runs out I'll be dead. Or I'll switch to motor oil. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 10:21:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I don't get this fad for designer lubes and cleaners. When the CLP runs out I'll be dead. Or I'll switch to motor oil. |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 10:28:43 AM EDT
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pretty much what I thought. Canola oil did exactly jack and shit to carbon. I soaked the FS overnight and it did nothing. I'm thinking the people who claim fireclean cleans carbon doesn't. it cleans powder fouling and they don't know the difference. Your results are shocking and totally unforeseen. 
The gun community (consumer end) really needs to beef up on the science and demand that claims be backed up with proof. Everyone claims their own favorite lube/cleaners, but few have any of the knowledge required to rigorously evaluate the efficacy. They say "works well for me" and vigorously defend their purchase, usually out of emotional attachment, yet don't realize that a hundred other products would likely serve them just as well or better, and usually at a fraction of the cost. If you're paying $16 for two ounces of lube, you're being had. I have enough Magnalube and Mobil 1 10w40 to last a lifetime, and the total for those was less than $20. I do have a soft spot for G96, though, and Hoppes just smells good.
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Posted: 9/13/2015 10:29:18 AM EDT
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I've been using it and liked it well enough, especially seemed to clean well
however, the other day I came to find my uzi completely fucking gummed up with the shit, as in the bolt was getting stuck between the top cover and bolt was a brown, tree sap consistency shit it had been sitting, at most, 6 weeks. last thing through it was 250 rounds of wolf 9mm, pretty quickly but still, I think i'll be limiting my use of fireclean from here on out |
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Posted: 9/13/2015 10:36:00 AM EDT
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Hmm, I'm glad I never bought any if that crap.
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Posted: 9/13/2015 10:39:49 AM EDT
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TW25b is (was) used machine guns in the Marines for much of OIF. I still have some large tubes of it (believe 4 or 6 ounces) that came with M240 maintenance kits
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Posted: 9/13/2015 10:50:20 AM EDT
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Now we need to see what's in frog lube.
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Posted: 9/13/2015 11:20:25 AM EDT
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I've been using it and liked it well enough, especially seemed to clean well however, the other day I came to find my uzi completely fucking gummed up with the shit, as in the bolt was getting stuck between the top cover and bolt was a brown, tree sap consistency shit it had been sitting, at most, 6 weeks. last thing through it was 250 rounds of wolf 9mm, pretty quickly but still, I think i'll be limiting my use of fireclean from here on out i used it when I used to be able to shoot almost daily, and it lived up to the claims. Then I stuck my firecleaned SBR in my safe for a couple weeks and found it was basically locked up and wouldn't charge. Pulling it apart it was covered in crystalized brown/black crap. When I mentioned this in one of LAV's fireclean FB posts he said he'd never heard of htat happening. It seems to work (albeit at a ridiculous street price) if you're a Vickers or Costa and are shooting and cleaning nearly daily. It seems to be a very bad choice for putting your guns in the safe for a few weeks because you're not being paid or can't afford to be shooting every day. |
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