I've never met someone who is so willing to go to absurd lengths to defend Islamist misdeeds. I know it goes hand-in-hand with wanting to go harvest points in Syria for this retarded reason or that, but you win a gold star for your efforts.

Wow, I'd figured someone as astute and argumentative as you would know that Wahhabist and Salafist are synonymous with one other, they mean the same thing, they are the same people. Wahhabism is named after a person who pushed the Salafist movement in the 18th century. Wahhabist is considered a derogatory term.

ISIS is Salafist, AQ is Salafist. They both want a Caliphate, using Sharia Law concurrent with Salafi interpretation of the Koran and Hadith.

The FSA is a collection of hundreds of different rebel groups. Some like the idea of a Salafist state, they just aren't aligned with AQ or ISIS for whatever reason. Some are Sunni jihadist, just not Salafist. Some are secular. Some are even fighting to create a Syrian communist state. None of these groups are aligned with ISIS and AQ, most of them have goals for Syria that don't align with the goals of ISIS or AQ. Because they aren't ISIS and they aren't AQ. And some of them aren't even religious.

Vetting happens by looking at a specific group, trying to track the politics of its key members and looking at its history. Not foolproof, only way to actually know is to embed someone with them, which we can't do. It works on trust and assumptions.

Like when you got a job at Walmart, they looked into your employment history, but probably didn't catch everything, but they do catch some things.

lol

Video needs more of this:

I got a close up view of one....Brinks trucks felt more vulnerable

Americans shooting at HINDs and then being killed when it returns fire?

Go ahead, take a shot.  Do you feel lucky?  That's what is going on.  They aren't playing PC ROE games.  They are playing kick their ass and kill them games.  I'll bet the guys stupid enough to get on a roof top and take a shot at the first one will end up in a pile of rubble from the second, third, fourth, etc. choppers coming along behind the first one.

Glad it's over there, too.

probably soon

This civil war will never end with Assad left in charge. He's the leader of a minority sect that is bled white. Do you understand what that means? There are no longer enough Alawite supporters to keep him propped up. That's why Russia, Hezbollah, and the Iranians entered the war. Unless they all agree to stay perpetually, and under the assumption that they not only retake the entire country but also manage to take out any existing covert insurgency that springs up, then it all starts again as soon as they leave.

Assad and his father were able to rule Syria because they weren't overly fucking with the Sunni majority, though they were firm with them, and because they had the undying support of the Alawites, who filled the important positions in the govt and military. Those days are over, meaning Assad is done. Russia supporting him is akin to attempting to prop up a sinking ship, no matter what they do at the end Assad cannot remain the leader of a unified Syria, too much blood has been spilled, too many vendettas, and he just doesn't have the domestic support anymore. At best, Assad will be leader of about 1/3 of the 14 governorates of Syria. The rest are predominately either Sunni or Kurdish and will not be retaken by Assad. And that's only on the assumption that Russia completely dominates this war and is able to do what the US couldn't do in Iraq or Afghanistan, or what Russia was unable to do in Afghanistan, Chechnya, and Ukraine, militarily quell an insurgency.

The best plan for Russia would be to find a new dictator, who isn't a member of the Assad family, who could unite Alawite and moderate Sunnis, and prop that person up and hope that with Assad out of the way enough people who are pissed at him would lay down their arms and agree to a ceasefire, leaving the remaining Syria Army, Russias, Hez., and Iranians to focus on the extremist holdouts, like Al Nusra Front and ISIS. If that happened, it would also take the wind out of the US sails, because we would have no legitimate and overt reasoning for not supporting Russia, we would essentially be forced through global public opinion, to ally with Russia and Iran and Hezbollah, against ISIS and Al Qaeda. Not good for the US in the long run, as it would give Russia a major PR victory and allow them to establish a permanent foothold in the ME.

But Putin isn't that smart or capable and Assad will never voluntarily step down, so I doubt that will happen.  

Boys will be boys I guess.  I said many were bad.  But there were what, nine or more crusades?  There were lots of armies, different leaders of varying sorts, and different motivations.  There were classic Christianity vs. Islam fights throughout this period of time.  I tracked my ancestor to the Battle of Acre, which was interesting.  And then found that his son, or maybe grandson led a famous cavalry charge during that period.  But it had nothing to do with Muslims.  It was like the Niceans or something.  The Mediterranean kingdoms were all warring against eachother.  Tough time to live.

Yes, I'm against bigotry and unbridled hatred towards 1.57 billion people, simply because of their religion. I guess that makes me a terrible person. What does it make you?

Yep, and proclaims to be a Christian too.
I wonder if he knows about the, FSA, most of who are not Syrian at all, how they like to brutally murder, rape, and torture Syrian nationals who claim that they are Christians also.
Or anybody else who is not part of their pack mentality of sheer violence just for the hell of it.
Thousands at least to date.
To me, they make some of America's worst mass murderers and serial killers look like freaking eagle scouts singing in the choir on Sunday.
Cut my head off and hang me on a cross to fester in the hot sun anyone?
I just can't wrap my head around this guy's posts here lately.
Oh man..

 

Everybody is jerking off about how impervious the armor is.  Just fly that fucker long enough and shitty MX will make it fall out of the sky

Burned up a lot of vodka on that run.

Why do you make it a point to be the loudest anti Russian pro Isis poster in every thread? Are you being paid by the U.S. Govt for every post? Because ANYONE who disagrees with you is surely on the kremlins payroll right...

Did the hobo take the last nine sandwiches you gave me?

Our last full military operation  to create democracy in the ME went a long way in starting this shit show in the first place......then again the mere fact you still think western democracy could ever work in the ME says a lot.

Are these moderates you speak of the same ones that say will work with ISIS on an operation if the goals are right? Or are they like the moderates we armed in Afghanistan to fight Russia?

Pro-ISIS, you got to be shitting me. If that's the connection you make after reading my posts, stick to you laugh you lose, because this shit is way over your head.

You walked into a discussion that goes back further than this thread. Tomislav has been making pro-Russian pro-Putin posts non-stop since the Ukraine Euromaidan riots started. I don't think he actually is employed as one of Putin's paid trolls, though they absolutely do exist. He's just a pro-Russia poster. I'm an anti-Russia poster. We have exchanges and it is what it is.

I'm all for Operation Inherent Resolve, the US mission to attack ISIS. I wish it was done better, but Obama is a POS socialist Chicago politician/activist, so its likely to not get better. I do love that we are constantly killing ISIS leaders, arming Syrian and Iraqi groups to go kill ISIS.

But I don't like the Russian govt. I have nothing personal against Russian people really, met a few, they were cool. But I fucking despise their govt, despise their foreign policy, despise their need to reclaim lost power, and I really despise Putin, who is a meglomaniac trying to rekindle the Cold War.

If that is the case, and Russia is trying to challenge the US control of the ME, than Russia is significant threat. More so than any other in that area, meaning we are going to have to take a look at our strategy and alliances and implement some sort of covert action to take down Russia. Meaning proxy war, more sanctions, etc.

ISIS is a pain in the ass, they are some evil fucktards, but they will never take over the world, they aren't even really capable of taking and holding non-Sunni territory in Syria and Iraq. They can be managed over the long term through enabling local govt forces to kill them, while we help. But Russia gaining power in the ME through an alliance with Syria and Iran, that's real real bad juju, the sort that can seriously undermine US global power. And affect my life, cause me to lose my job when the economy crashes, cause my family to suffer when the dollar crashes and we go into full depression. ISIS doesn't have the means to do that, Russia does, if it takes over the ME. Considering the country is run by Russian oligarch controlling the European energy market, they absolutely have eyes on the ME. Considering their alliances with Iran, doesn't look good.

My official stance is:

- Directly attack ISIS, because fuck ISIS and fuck Baghdadi (please be dead!).

- Remain temporarily neutral with Nusra Front in the short term, allow them to keep fucking up Assad and the Russians, let them get lose more and more people through attrition and help whomever kill the remnants later on.

- Support various FSA groups, same thing as NF, use them to kill Assad and Russians.

- Support the Kurds, to an extent that it doesn't destroy our relationship with Turkey.

- Long term strategy is to prevent Russian success, hurt them using proxy forces and economic sanctions until Putin says uncle and quits Syria.

- Then after that, its a matter of finding an individual and group and supporting them enough that they win the war and take over the country. Rig some elections so the people think democracy exists and support our boy as they rebuild Syria, using their own oil money to pay for it.  



Unfortunately, I'm just a nobody and my suggestions are meaningless, other than the occasional voting.

But Rambo 3 and Red Dawn!!!

The occupation of Iraq didn't fail in the least bit because of any issues with democracy. Neither did Afghanistan. The insurgencies started and prospered because of belligerent groups that would have been cut out of whatever govt we created, regardless of its type. Those groups created an insurgency, that blew up after years of violence, killing, vendettas, not helped by decades of poor rule and blood debts owed over stuff that happened long before we invade any country.

The moderates we armed in Afghanistan thrived after. You might have heard of them, they were called the Northern Alliance.

I was going to say, where  is  John when we need him?

I can already see his "Refugees Welcome" sign

Lol

And you Putinphiles wonder why steinhab hands you your asses in these types of threads.

But muh chair! It's agin the waaaaaalllllll!

I find it interesting that they drop conventional bombs from heli's. We don't do that, do we?

Notice how he:

posts mostly during business hours
Responds to EVERY post
Posts pretty much full time
Adheres strictly to the government position

Need a dubbed over $6 million Man trailer featuring highlights from the Iraqi training videos where they can't do jumping jacks.

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Did they see a witch flying on her broom too?

The hind is outdated garbage like much of the russian military equipment.


The stuff we are sending our guys over there would knock them down easier than the Russians shooting a passenger jet.

Which ones are "our guys"?



 

I know a shill when I see it. . . but no use getting into an internet pissing match. .

i'll just use the ignore button and let others figure it out for themselves (which apparently many have)

The pro democracy moderate groups fighting for freedom from a brutal dictatorship the same time as fighting ISIS. Many russian posters are trying to conflate them with ISIS to muddy the waters, on purpose. The ones we support are vetted out and are not ISIS.

EDIT, had to drop in word: Dude. . . you wrote a nearly 650 word response to a "pretty sure you're a troll" response and it's not even the first time in this thread!

Either unemployed, or employed via shilling on ARF

Honestly they should just nuke the entire middle east, it's the only way to be sure.

Bully mags official position was that people should buy oxy clean too. Because that was his job to promote it.

We flew ACM against one of the state side hinds.  As an assault platform I was unimpressed with its ability

Jesus. . .

Name them.

I would like to know their names also.

LOL says the person with assad's wife in their avatar? You're in over your head bud.

Russia:  "we have only to kick in the door and the whole rotten structure will come crashing down".







 

Trust this guy --   he is building a submarine

I'm waiting.

How much longer before the Russians ditch the cruise missiles for conventional ICBMs?
If only to keep it interesting.

Beat me to it.

Like by Brigade? This is to what the defense of the Alawites has come?