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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:57:44 AM EDT
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Quote "These rights sound good, Sachs writes, but they’re not enough to guarantee the outcome the global elites have devised for us."
The outcome the global elites have planned for us? WTF? I'm so glad to hear some "global elite" is looking out for me. I'm sure he'll be taking home a nice check for looking out for me.  
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:57:57 AM EDT
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Ah yes. They long for the heady days of spreading the Pope's will. You know, the Dark Ages, Slaughter of the Knights Templar, suppression of science and technology. And now American Independence.
I am a Christian but I say to the Pope, GO FUCK YOURSELF! |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 9:59:38 AM EDT
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Well, they can think whatever they like.
I can disagree all I want. And I'm not saying that virtue and charity aren't respectable traits. I just don't think that governing documents should require them of people because that detracts from the reason they are respectable while perverting the reason governments exist as a separate entity from religion. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:09:18 AM EDT
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Given the pope's communist leanings I'm not overly surprised that one of his "advisors" has a problem with our Bill of Rights. In light of their recent history of raping children and then trying to hide it within their system they can fuck off.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:09:21 AM EDT
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Just heard someone the other day say: "I'm really happy with our new pope, because of how progressive he is".
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:11:06 AM EDT
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The United States, Sachs writes in the Jesuit publication, America, is “a society in thrall” to the idea of unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But the “urgent core of Francis’ message” will be to challenge this “American idea” by “proclaiming that the path to happiness lies not solely or mainly through the defense of rights but through the exercise of virtues, most notably justice and charity.”
In these extraordinary comments, which constitute a frontal assault on the American idea of freedom and national sovereignty, Sachs has made it clear that he hopes to enlist the Vatican in a global campaign to increase the power of global or foreign-dominated organizations and movements. Sachs takes aim at the phrase, which comes from America’s founding document, the United States Declaration of Independence, that: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” These rights sound good, Sachs writes, but they’re not enough to guarantee the outcome the global elites have devised for us. Link lol Millions of people (many of them Catholic) find the Vatican obsolete. so there you you you meany pants! |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:13:23 AM EDT
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This forum is one of the best places to go if you want to see Catholic Hate. Everyone was educated with their Chick track cards and really has no care to figure out what the truth is. (not 100% true, a lot of the propaganda I here is from the Anglo-Spanish war).
The Catholic economic position has been distributim for about 125 years now. Of course the public school system does not even teach what distriubtism is - that would be teaching something Catholic. So since we know it is not free market - everyone who only has half an education wants to assume it is socialism. Funny thing - it is pretty much the Utopian ideal that we built this country with, capitalism without robber barons. True free market, however tends to concentrate wealth and power just as effectively as socialism does. We don't see the robber barons directly in the US (but they exist and have purchased most federal elected offices - establishment politicians). But it does not take a hard look to see the corruption in many parts of the world where cartels own the politicians. --- As for Pope Francis. He has a different way of saying things than Benedict and John Paul II - but at their core he is only repeating the established Catholicism of the US. Now if you want world shaking - go back to Humane Vite. It predicted Gay Marriage about 50 years ago. Of course it was just reiterations of other writings that go all the way back to Augustus (I think the biggest predictor of Gay marriage was an encyclical from the 1880's). But the theology of the believer says that we are too damn smart to day to consider what 2000 years of people in the past might have thought about issues. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:23:21 AM EDT
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I cant say that I ever remember caring what he thinks
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:23:38 AM EDT
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Well my take on this as a Christian person, is that Bible prophecy concerning a one world government and situation for everybody living at that time, is coming shortly onto the world scene and no one will be able to stop it.
I personally think that man generally has the need to be in a state of dominance over something. Thus, financial and political power are some avenues that will be chosen to do this and these are the facts. It doesn't take a person of much reason or an extensive educational background to see such things in the making. Corruption, will always enter into any situation where it finds an unlocked door. Thanks. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:24:08 AM EDT
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Ah yes. They long for the heady days of spreading the Pope's will. You know, the Dark Ages, Slaughter of the Knights Templar, suppression of science and technology. And now American Independence.
I am a Christian but I say to the Pope, GO FUCK YOURSELF! Awe, somebody still believes in the Dark Ages and such. That's cute. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:26:32 AM EDT
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most notably justice and charity |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:29:42 AM EDT
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The Catholic church is a business and the Pope is the CEO that dresses like a circus clown. That's all I need to know when it comes to understanding their motives.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:38:41 AM EDT
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Can we get a title change?
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:39:23 AM EDT
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This forum is one of the best places to go if you want to see Catholic Hate. Everyone was educated with their Chick track cards and really has no care to figure out what the truth is. (not 100% true, a lot of the propaganda I here is from the Anglo-Spanish war). The Catholic economic position has been distributim for about 125 years now. Of course the public school system does not even teach what distriubtism is - that would be teaching something Catholic. So since we know it is not free market - everyone who only has half an education wants to assume it is socialism. Funny thing - it is pretty much the Utopian ideal that we built this country with, capitalism without robber barons. True free market, however tends to concentrate wealth and power just as effectively as socialism does. We don't see the robber barons directly in the US (but they exist and have purchased most federal elected offices - establishment politicians). But it does not take a hard look to see the corruption in many parts of the world where cartels own the politicians. --- As for Pope Francis. He has a different way of saying things than Benedict and John Paul II - but at their core he is only repeating the established Catholicism of the US. Now if you want world shaking - go back to Humane Vite. It predicted Gay Marriage about 50 years ago. Of course it was just reiterations of other writings that go all the way back to Augustus (I think the biggest predictor of Gay marriage was an encyclical from the 1880's). But the theology of the believer says that we are too damn smart to day to consider what 2000 years of people in the past might have thought about issues. So, what does any of this have to do with what this Vatican spokesman actually said? |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:40:06 AM EDT
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The DoI cuts out the middleman that the Catholics installed. TC Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Please, tell me more. What about the Declaration of Independence is at odds with Catholicism? The DoI cuts out the middleman that the Catholics installed. TC Lol Again, how? |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:40:52 AM EDT
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So, what does any of this have to do with what this Vatican spokesman actually said? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This forum is one of the best places to go if you want to see Catholic Hate. Everyone was educated with their Chick track cards and really has no care to figure out what the truth is. (not 100% true, a lot of the propaganda I here is from the Anglo-Spanish war). The Catholic economic position has been distributim for about 125 years now. Of course the public school system does not even teach what distriubtism is - that would be teaching something Catholic. So since we know it is not free market - everyone who only has half an education wants to assume it is socialism. Funny thing - it is pretty much the Utopian ideal that we built this country with, capitalism without robber barons. True free market, however tends to concentrate wealth and power just as effectively as socialism does. We don't see the robber barons directly in the US (but they exist and have purchased most federal elected offices - establishment politicians). But it does not take a hard look to see the corruption in many parts of the world where cartels own the politicians. --- As for Pope Francis. He has a different way of saying things than Benedict and John Paul II - but at their core he is only repeating the established Catholicism of the US. Now if you want world shaking - go back to Humane Vite. It predicted Gay Marriage about 50 years ago. Of course it was just reiterations of other writings that go all the way back to Augustus (I think the biggest predictor of Gay marriage was an encyclical from the 1880's). But the theology of the believer says that we are too damn smart to day to consider what 2000 years of people in the past might have thought about issues. So, what does any of this have to do with what this Vatican spokesman actually said? That this thread is a full-on tard fest. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:43:16 AM EDT
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That this thread is a full-on tard fest. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This forum is one of the best places to go if you want to see Catholic Hate. Everyone was educated with their Chick track cards and really has no care to figure out what the truth is. (not 100% true, a lot of the propaganda I here is from the Anglo-Spanish war). The Catholic economic position has been distributim for about 125 years now. Of course the public school system does not even teach what distriubtism is - that would be teaching something Catholic. So since we know it is not free market - everyone who only has half an education wants to assume it is socialism. Funny thing - it is pretty much the Utopian ideal that we built this country with, capitalism without robber barons. True free market, however tends to concentrate wealth and power just as effectively as socialism does. We don't see the robber barons directly in the US (but they exist and have purchased most federal elected offices - establishment politicians). But it does not take a hard look to see the corruption in many parts of the world where cartels own the politicians. --- As for Pope Francis. He has a different way of saying things than Benedict and John Paul II - but at their core he is only repeating the established Catholicism of the US. Now if you want world shaking - go back to Humane Vite. It predicted Gay Marriage about 50 years ago. Of course it was just reiterations of other writings that go all the way back to Augustus (I think the biggest predictor of Gay marriage was an encyclical from the 1880's). But the theology of the believer says that we are too damn smart to day to consider what 2000 years of people in the past might have thought about issues. So, what does any of this have to do with what this Vatican spokesman actually said? That this thread is a full-on tard fest. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. Sound and fury on who's part? |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:43:22 AM EDT
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This plus 10,000. 240 years ago, EVERY man, woman and child born on this planet was the subject of someone else, PERIOD. Their god, their king, their land owner. NOW Democracy and freedom is the law of the land. Even the Commie is China will have to give up power, and they know it, there is no turning back. The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights maybe the greatest documents/idea/practice in the history of Humanity. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol at the Vatican calling anything "obsolete". This plus 10,000. 240 years ago, EVERY man, woman and child born on this planet was the subject of someone else, PERIOD. Their god, their king, their land owner. NOW Democracy and freedom is the law of the land. Even the Commie is China will have to give up power, and they know it, there is no turning back. The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights maybe the greatest documents/idea/practice in the history of Humanity. Please, tell me more. Who started schools for the poor? So that the serfs could rise above their ignorance. Who started Universities? Who started Hospitals? So much propaganda, so little time. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:46:36 AM EDT
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The poipe and his minions are part of that " global elite ".
Maybe the pope should work on that child molestation problem they have had for centuries . And sell off some of the vast amounts real estate they own and that $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ to the poor . gd |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:48:08 AM EDT
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Please, tell me more. Who started schools for the poor? So that the serfs could rise above their ignorance. Who started Universities? Who started Hospitals? So much propaganda, so little time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol at the Vatican calling anything "obsolete". This plus 10,000. 240 years ago, EVERY man, woman and child born on this planet was the subject of someone else, PERIOD. Their god, their king, their land owner. NOW Democracy and freedom is the law of the land. Even the Commie is China will have to give up power, and they know it, there is no turning back. The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights maybe the greatest documents/idea/practice in the history of Humanity. Please, tell me more. Who started schools for the poor? So that the serfs could rise above their ignorance. Who started Universities? Who started Hospitals? So much propaganda, so little time. Still, I'm not seeing much relevance concerning your posting here and what this Vatican advisor said. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:48:41 AM EDT
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One aspect of this unfolding plan, as outlined in the Sachs book, The End of Poverty, involves extracting billions of dollars from the American people through global taxes. Yep. A whore that has been fornicating with kings for 1800 years is gonna fornicate with kings.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:51:14 AM EDT
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Sound and fury on who's part? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This forum is one of the best places to go if you want to see Catholic Hate. Everyone was educated with their Chick track cards and really has no care to figure out what the truth is. (not 100% true, a lot of the propaganda I here is from the Anglo-Spanish war). The Catholic economic position has been distributim for about 125 years now. Of course the public school system does not even teach what distriubtism is - that would be teaching something Catholic. So since we know it is not free market - everyone who only has half an education wants to assume it is socialism. Funny thing - it is pretty much the Utopian ideal that we built this country with, capitalism without robber barons. True free market, however tends to concentrate wealth and power just as effectively as socialism does. We don't see the robber barons directly in the US (but they exist and have purchased most federal elected offices - establishment politicians). But it does not take a hard look to see the corruption in many parts of the world where cartels own the politicians. --- As for Pope Francis. He has a different way of saying things than Benedict and John Paul II - but at their core he is only repeating the established Catholicism of the US. Now if you want world shaking - go back to Humane Vite. It predicted Gay Marriage about 50 years ago. Of course it was just reiterations of other writings that go all the way back to Augustus (I think the biggest predictor of Gay marriage was an encyclical from the 1880's). But the theology of the believer says that we are too damn smart to day to consider what 2000 years of people in the past might have thought about issues. So, what does any of this have to do with what this Vatican spokesman actually said? That this thread is a full-on tard fest. Sound and fury, signifying nothing. Sound and fury on who's part? Most of the folks in this thread, either who didn't read the article or don't comprehend the problems with it. You'd have to be quite athletic to make the jump from what the Pope has really said about charity to "the DoI is obsolete". |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:54:42 AM EDT
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LOL @ Catholicism
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:57:21 AM EDT
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The "ANTI-CHRIST" is not the Boss of Me... |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 10:59:37 AM EDT
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The United States, Sachs writes in the Jesuit publication, America, is “a society in thrall” to the idea of unalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. But the “urgent core of Francis’ message” will be to challenge this “American idea” by “proclaiming that the path to happiness lies not solely or mainly through the defense of rights but through the exercise of virtues, most notably justice and charity.”
In these extraordinary comments, which constitute a frontal assault on the American idea of freedom and national sovereignty, Sachs has made it clear that he hopes to enlist the Vatican in a global campaign to increase the power of global or foreign-dominated organizations and movements. Sachs takes aim at the phrase, which comes from America’s founding document, the United States Declaration of Independence, that: “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” These rights sound good, Sachs writes, but they’re not enough to guarantee the outcome the global elites have devised for us. Link lol moron does not get the declaration at all. its about freedom and self governance . |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:02:16 AM EDT
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You realize the Pope has nothing to do with this, right? This guy , may have advised somone at tge Vatican. But he doesn't speak for the Vatican. Love the Catholic haters in GD. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I was born and raised Catholic, but this pope is a dickhead and he can shut his stupid face. You realize the Pope has nothing to do with this, right? This guy , may have advised somone at tge Vatican. But he doesn't speak for the Vatican. Love the Catholic haters in GD. This. Just an excuse for the bashers to spew their usual vomit. That "article" was like reading a partisan blog. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:13:52 AM EDT
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First post.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:15:26 AM EDT
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Well, don't I feel stupid, now? |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:16:26 AM EDT
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Former Catholic here.
The Vatican is obsolete. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:16:29 AM EDT
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Check out the goofy hat the pope wears. Obsolete? Oh yeah. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol at the Vatican calling anything "obsolete". Check out the goofy hat the pope wears. Obsolete? Oh yeah. It hides his bunny ears. Don't you know your history? |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:17:43 AM EDT
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Did anyone actually READ what this article says? Really read it? REALLY?
It never said that anything about political ANYTHING! The man said that TRUE HAPPINESS doe snot come from the defense of rights, that TRUE HAPPINESS comes from virtue and leading a virtuous life. Why would any religion that speaks of God not say that true happiness comes from serving God? Whoever wrote this article is an idiot. What Sachs said is in no way an affront to the American ideal. Sachs is talking about happiness and serving God. Jefferson was talking about civil rights. The fact is, civil rights will never make anyone truly happy because only God can truly fulfill us. AND, even if our rights are taken from us, God can still overcome our loss of rights and make us truly happy even when the world is against us. Look at the lives of the Saints who died happy and lived happy even when being persecuted by civil authority. Politically, we should always fight to protect our rights, spiritually, we should always look to serving God. Only one of these will make us happy eternally. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:18:01 AM EDT
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lol, fuck off As a Roman Catholic... |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:28:52 AM EDT
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This forum is one of the best places to go if you want to see Catholic Hate. Everyone was educated with their Chick track cards and really has no care to figure out what the truth is. (not 100% true, a lot of the propaganda I here is from the Anglo-Spanish war). The Catholic economic position has been distributim for about 125 years now. Of course the public school system does not even teach what distriubtism is - that would be teaching something Catholic. So since we know it is not free market - everyone who only has half an education wants to assume it is socialism. Funny thing - it is pretty much the Utopian ideal that we built this country with, capitalism without robber barons. True free market, however tends to concentrate wealth and power just as effectively as socialism does. We don't see the robber barons directly in the US (but they exist and have purchased most federal elected offices - establishment politicians). But it does not take a hard look to see the corruption in many parts of the world where cartels own the politicians. --- As for Pope Francis. He has a different way of saying things than Benedict and John Paul II - but at their core he is only repeating the established Catholicism of the US. Now if you want world shaking - go back to Humane Vite. It predicted Gay Marriage about 50 years ago. Of course it was just reiterations of other writings that go all the way back to Augustus (I think the biggest predictor of Gay marriage was an encyclical from the 1880's). But the theology of the believer says that we are too damn smart to day to consider what 2000 years of people in the past might have thought about issues. But being critical of the current Pope is not "Catholic hate." Many of us Catholics have disliked the leftward shift of the RCC since Vatican II, especially the liberation theology philosophy. JPII was a great Pope--having spent much of his life under Communism, he was a virulent anti-communist and tempered his messages of compassion with an understanding of free markets and capitalism. Likewise Benedict. Francis, however, has been using language more in line with the left in comparison to JPII and Benedict and has actually embraced liberation theology clergy that JPII castigated. Therein lies the concern that many conservative Catholics have for him. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:32:47 AM EDT
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But being critical of the current Pope is not "Catholic hate." Many of us Catholics have disliked the leftward shift of the RCC since Vatican II, especially the liberation theology philosophy. JPII was a great Pope--having spent much of his life under Communism, he was a virulent anti-communist and tempered his messages of compassion with an understanding of free markets and capitalism. Likewise Benedict. Francis, however, has been using language more in line with the left in comparison to JPII and Benedict and has actually embraced liberation theology clergy that JPII castigated. Therein lies the concern that many conservative Catholics have for him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This forum is one of the best places to go if you want to see Catholic Hate. Everyone was educated with their Chick track cards and really has no care to figure out what the truth is. (not 100% true, a lot of the propaganda I here is from the Anglo-Spanish war). The Catholic economic position has been distributim for about 125 years now. Of course the public school system does not even teach what distriubtism is - that would be teaching something Catholic. So since we know it is not free market - everyone who only has half an education wants to assume it is socialism. Funny thing - it is pretty much the Utopian ideal that we built this country with, capitalism without robber barons. True free market, however tends to concentrate wealth and power just as effectively as socialism does. We don't see the robber barons directly in the US (but they exist and have purchased most federal elected offices - establishment politicians). But it does not take a hard look to see the corruption in many parts of the world where cartels own the politicians. --- As for Pope Francis. He has a different way of saying things than Benedict and John Paul II - but at their core he is only repeating the established Catholicism of the US. Now if you want world shaking - go back to Humane Vite. It predicted Gay Marriage about 50 years ago. Of course it was just reiterations of other writings that go all the way back to Augustus (I think the biggest predictor of Gay marriage was an encyclical from the 1880's). But the theology of the believer says that we are too damn smart to day to consider what 2000 years of people in the past might have thought about issues. But being critical of the current Pope is not "Catholic hate." Many of us Catholics have disliked the leftward shift of the RCC since Vatican II, especially the liberation theology philosophy. JPII was a great Pope--having spent much of his life under Communism, he was a virulent anti-communist and tempered his messages of compassion with an understanding of free markets and capitalism. Likewise Benedict. Francis, however, has been using language more in line with the left in comparison to JPII and Benedict and has actually embraced liberation theology clergy that JPII castigated. Therein lies the concern that many conservative Catholics have for him. This. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:38:06 AM EDT
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Did anyone actually READ what this article says? Really read it? REALLY? Have you taken the time to find and read the author's biography? If not you should. It will shed some light on the article. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:53:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 8/27/2015 11:55:29 AM EDT
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lol, fuck off Auyp. 
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:02:34 PM EDT
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lol, fuck off This. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:20:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I was born and raised Catholic, but this pope is a dickhead and he can shut his stupid face. ETA, yes I realize it wasn't the Pope that said this, but he's been off the rails with some of his own statements as well. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:22:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: But being critical of the current Pope is not "Catholic hate." Many of us Catholics have disliked the leftward shift of the RCC since Vatican II, especially the liberation theology philosophy. JPII was a great Pope--having spent much of his life under Communism, he was a virulent anti-communist and tempered his messages of compassion with an understanding of free markets and capitalism. Likewise Benedict. Francis, however, has been using language more in line with the left in comparison to JPII and Benedict and has actually embraced liberation theology clergy that JPII castigated. Therein lies the concern that many conservative Catholics have for him. This. I'm assuming both of you are Catholics, so I'm going to ask. Doesn't God ensure the Pope is the right person for the job? And that when he speaks from his throne, he is speaking authoritatively for all Catholics? If its possible to have an unworthy man become the Pope, as you are implying happened with the current Pope, how can you be sure any of them were actually speaking with authority? If you dislike part of what he says, is it ok to disregard those parts? I was raised Church of Christ and am going to start RCIA classes very soon and the attitude of Catholics toward this Pope is confusing. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:26:58 PM EDT
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Hahahahahahahahaha.
Fuck that guy, with another guys severed Aids infected cock. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:27:25 PM EDT
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But being critical of the current Pope is not "Catholic hate." Many of us Catholics have disliked the leftward shift of the RCC since Vatican II, especially the liberation theology philosophy. JPII was a great Pope--having spent much of his life under Communism, he was a virulent anti-communist and tempered his messages of compassion with an understanding of free markets and capitalism. Likewise Benedict. Francis, however, has been using language more in line with the left in comparison to JPII and Benedict and has actually embraced liberation theology clergy that JPII castigated. Therein lies the concern that many conservative Catholics have for him. I will concede this. I would not go so far as to suggest the complete abolishing of Vatican II, but I do find many issues with it. Among them, is this need to embrace other denominations and religions as equals. (See allowing Hindu priest to preach from the alter at Fatima, or the recent decision to name a square after Martin Luther, who was mentally unstable if not completely deranged). As Catholics, we have an obligation to spread and defend our one, true Church, from without AND within. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:32:52 PM EDT
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I'm assuming both of you are Catholics, so I'm going to ask. Doesn't God ensure the Pope is the right person for the job? And that when he speaks from his throne, he is speaking authoritatively for all Catholics? If its possible to have an unworthy man become the Pope, as you are implying happened with the current Pope, how can you be sure any of them were actually speaking with authority? If you dislike part of what he says, is it ok to disregard those parts? I was raised Church of Christ and am going to start RCIA classes very soon and the attitude of Catholics toward this Pope is confusing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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But being critical of the current Pope is not "Catholic hate." Many of us Catholics have disliked the leftward shift of the RCC since Vatican II, especially the liberation theology philosophy. JPII was a great Pope--having spent much of his life under Communism, he was a virulent anti-communist and tempered his messages of compassion with an understanding of free markets and capitalism. Likewise Benedict. Francis, however, has been using language more in line with the left in comparison to JPII and Benedict and has actually embraced liberation theology clergy that JPII castigated. Therein lies the concern that many conservative Catholics have for him. This. I'm assuming both of you are Catholics, so I'm going to ask. Doesn't God ensure the Pope is the right person for the job? And that when he speaks from his throne, he is speaking authoritatively for all Catholics? If its possible to have an unworthy man become the Pope, as you are implying happened with the current Pope, how can you be sure any of them were actually speaking with authority? If you dislike part of what he says, is it ok to disregard those parts? I was raised Church of Christ and am going to start RCIA classes very soon and the attitude of Catholics toward this Pope is confusing. This is a very complex question and a source of division among some Catholics. The Pope, while divinely chosen, is not himself divine, and thus, is capable of error. When such arises, as has in the past, members of the clergy can, will, and are obligated to both confront him and to take any necessary actions to realign the doctrine. |
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lol at the Vatican calling anything "obsolete". Please tell me how it us obsolete? You should probably tell me what the country the Vatican is for in the first place before you do that though. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:34:16 PM EDT
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Ah yes. They long for the heady days of spreading the Pope's will. You know, the Dark Ages, Slaughter of the Knights Templar, suppression of science and technology. And now American Independence.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:34:51 PM EDT
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Forced redistribution of wealth is not charity.
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:35:40 PM EDT
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I was raised Church of Christ and am going to start RCIA classes very soon... Glad to see you coming home. 
ETA: My wife is a from a very rigid sect of Church of Christ. They are good people. |
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lol at the Vatican calling anything "obsolete". This plus 10,000. 240 years ago, EVERY man, woman and child born on this planet was the subject of someone else, PERIOD. Their god, their king, their land owner. NOW Democracy and freedom is the law of the land. Even the Commie is China will have to give up power, and they know it, there is no turning back. The Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights maybe the greatest documents/idea/practice in the history of Humanity. Please, tell me more. Who started schools for the poor? So that the serfs could rise above their ignorance. Who started Universities? Who started Hospitals? So much propaganda, so little time. Still, I'm nor seeing much relevance concerning your posting here and what this Vatican advisor said. Hey, SAE! How's it going? Long time no talk! I'm referring to the post & this guy is in no way a Vatican advisor! So there is no argument for the socialist SJW. |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:38:19 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is a very complex question and a source of division among some Catholics. The Pope, while divinely chosen, is not himself divine, and thus, is capable of error. When such arises, as has in the past, members of the clergy can, will, and are obligated to both confront him and to take any necessary actions to realign the doctrine. But what about laypeople? I'm assuming a guy with a screenname NavyDoc isn't a member of the clergy. If any member can decide what opinion is theologically correct, the Catholic Church isn't any different than the Church of Christ. And are there any clergy who are speaking out against the Pope and his liberation theology views? (I have no idea if the Pope actually subscribes to that, I'm going on what I've been told by people in this thread and others) I have a feeling the priest who is advising me is going to hate me when I bring all these questions up.  |
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Posted: 8/27/2015 12:39:52 PM EDT
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Former Catholic here. The Vatican is obsolete. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Please explain? Do you know the reason for having an Infallible head of the Church? |
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