If we leave the UN it's then free to make resolutions demanding we do things.   They can't enforce them but our enemies would use them as propaganda against us.  If we stay in we can veto anything in the security council that goes against our interests.

Would be better than them doing nothing and living on government handouts.

The left wing constantly harps on the amount of food Americans waste, and how they need to make food more expensive so we'll value it properly.

Actually, they won't be the ones starving.

All you people advocating going organic don't have the slightest clue how labor intensive that would be on a large scale, and how much food prices would necessarily rise.  We would also need a massive increase in farmed acres to equal current output.

No, it wouldn't.

If you feel that way, you're missing the larger economic picture. Industrialization has reduced the manpower requirement per hectare (or bushel or acre) of food. Genetic modification and synthetic fertilizer have increased crop yields substantially.

If you took either of those away, people would die. We are utterly dependent on them at this point, with our world population.

Farming isn't easy, it isn't simple, and you cant just throw an untrained urban dweller into a rural setting and expect him to produce anything of substance. He'd probably be unable to produce enough to feed even himself, using conventional hand tool farming.

The byproduct of enhance farming tech and techniques, is more people freed from subsistence driven daily activities. Poor education and poor cultural indoctrination leads to these free agents not moving to become more productive members of the society. Giving them busy work, especially busy work that you would rely on for living, is a backwards and horrible plan.

Would end up with a little extra feces on all of the food.



 

+1

The nitrogen present in proteins comes from 2 sources:

1) Nitrogen-fixing bacteria ~50%

2) Synthetically produced using the Haber process ~50%

Eliminate fertilizer plants, and you eliminate half the nitrogen available to plants to make protein.  Mass starvation.

There's a small, but growing segment of globalist leftist that believe that is the cure for the world's ills.

Can't believe I made it! Must be due to Turkey day last minute rush.

at the same time they call for an end to the private ownership of property

and a 90% reduction in the earths human population

the new world order anti Christ government struggles with birth pangs

Because deindustrialization worked so well in China during the Great Leap forward...

Oh wait, commies don't learn from commie mistakes.

Ok UN you do that.

We will keep our current farming practices and stop all food exports since you don't want our non-organic food.

We will also be closing our borders to immigration except for those that can make a meaningful contribution to our country.

Oh, they eat regular, and well.  Because being a high-paid staffer in New York, they don't see the natural result of their policies.



If they actually lived the lifestyle they were advocating they'd think differently.



 

In all honesty it'd be one solution for a lot of the problems.  If you killed off 25 - 50% of the world's population you'd dramatically change the way things worked.  If you were the one in control of the dieoff and could choose who lived you'd have almost unlimited power.  I'm not saying it's a GOOD solution from my point of view, but it is a solution especially if you want "change" and control.

I’m detecting a major economic fallacy in your thinking…

The entire reason for having an economy in the first place is to produce wealth. (Wealth being the goods and services we all need and want.) Economies don’t exist to give people jobs or to keep people busy. Our economy is producing all the food we need by using only 0.5% (one out of every 200) people. It would be insane to compel changes that require 40% of the population to work at producing the same amount of food.

The only reason to do that would be as part of some “Social Justice” campaign. “It’s not fair that some of us have to work hard for 10-12 hours a day and other people get to lounge around all day doing nothing. Let’s enforce justice by forcing the lazy to work hard.” It’s pure economic nitwittery.

Here’s the real reason the UN wants to do shit like this…

The economic sophistication of a culture determines the life pattern of its people. Consider hunter and gather cultures. It doesn’t matter where on the globe you look, they all lived essentially the same life. A Paleolithic hunter from Europe would have felt right at home with hunter and gathers in America or Africa. (Outside of language and skin color of course)

The next big economic age for mankind was the agricultural age. My father grew up as a depression era sharecropper. He had better tools than a first century Chinese peasant and he grew different crops. But he lived essentially the same life as people lived two thousand years ago.

Think about the social changes that had to happen before hunters could become farmers. The farmers had to have the concept of land ownership. They had to have the concept of currency. They had to develop systems of law and morality to deal with all of the new concepts they were dealing with. Those moral codes ended up incorporated into the various religions.

You have to have the concept of land ownership for a farming society to work. And that means you will have plenty of people who own no land. If you own no land you have no ability to produce wealth. I don’t care how smart and hard working you are. You have to have land.

So, you end up sharecropping for someone that does have some spare land. This leads to things like a class system and slavery. You have to have a warrior class to defend all of these farming peasants. Women end up being subjugated in an agricultural economy because they can only feed themselves by either getting married to a man or by prostitution. Sexism, racism, slavery, classism, and all those other things Liberals hate are not the result of some male conspiracy. They are necessary features of a successful agricultural age economy.

Along comes the industrial age and now it’s the ownership of factories that generates wealth. But labor has tremendous power as factories are worthless without someone to work in them. In an industrial society there is no place for things like slavery or social class. Class becomes a matter of how wealthy you are, not birth. Women can now support themselves quote well so they gain equal rights under law and the ability to live independent lives if they choose.

And in the information age we are moving into, people have even more freedom because wealth is a matter of what you know and information is easy to get.

But the ideal of large numbers of free people and the death of the class system scares a lot of the UN tyrants as well as a lot of liberal types. So they would love to drag us back to the bad old days of digging in someone else’s dirt so that we can give them half of what we grow and hoping to have enough left that the baby doesn’t starve.

 

They can start the depopulation with the occupants of the UN building.

 

And they wouldn't get a 'living wage' either.

How culturally revolutionary. And, workers who don't grow crops can produce steel in the Peoples' Communal Forges.

amen

wish we would just pull out of it

Their respective nations would probably be happier as well.


Then we can convert the place into low-income housing.

That would solve unemployment!
Tomac

 

I think you're the one without a clue or you work for Monsanto.
Do your reasearch.

Your right, I simply farm 6000 acres. I have no idea what it takes to do that.  Idiot.
Go away. Grown ups are talking.

Norman Borlaug doesn't approve.

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They should quit pretending to be relevant.



All US funding should be cut for them.

Hey new GOP Congress....lets piss off BHO starting here.

You then must work for an organic wholesaler.

 

Not only that, but I would not be looking forward to the vegetarian diet and quotas they would like to force upon us all.

Neither

Ayn Rand called it when she said that collectivism is "the philosophy of self-annilhilation".

That wasn't a mistake.

That would end the huge urban areas that is the base of the left. Starvation, riots and mayhem would ensue



Ending industrialized farming is weapons grade derp

Yea, farming, all day, every day just to survive is a fantastic existence.

i listen to this stuff all the time in my department.

Not enough, but it'll be a good start to getting rid of ebt.

I know we could get all those Ferguson rioters to work the fields, maybe even force them to work......picking crops by hand........

Is that what the UN is hinting at?

Great summary!  

OMG, imagine the New Black Panthers Sharecroppers.  

Photo of cropper family chopping the weeds from cotton near White Plains, in Georgia, USA (1941)



Sharecroppers at roadside after eviction (1936)

Part of the population control agenda.

Yup, there is no way they could afford to waste feeding animals.  You could eat flesh, but it would be from whatever birds or mammals you shot in the wild, or fish you could catch.  

Because the UN was set up to appease the communists, and give every little puppet dictator of theirs a voice,

One of the "rules of appeasement" to get the Soviets to sign on is that the Undersecretary  Gen be communist.

One of the most important positions within the entire United Nations—if not the most important—is that of Undersecretary-general for Political and Security Council Affairs. Most Americans have never even heard of this position, much
less anything about the man who holds the job. The undersecretary-general for political and security council affairs has three main areas of responsibility. They are:

   Control of all military and police functions of the United Nations peacekeeping forces.
   Supervision of all disarmament moves on the part of member nations
   Control of all atomic energy ultimately entrusted to the United nations for peaceful and “other purposes”.


Since the United Nations was created in 1945 there have been fifteen men appointed to the position of undersecretary-general of political and security council affairs. Astonishingly, every single one of them has been a communist!

   Communists appointed to the position of undersecretary-general

       Arkady Sobolev--USSR (1946-1949)
       Konstantin Zinchenko—USSR (1949-53)
       Ilya Tehernychev—Ygoslavia (1954-1957)
       Anatoly F. Dobrynin—USSR (1958-1960)
       Georgi Ptrovich Arkadev—USSR (1960-1962)
       Eugeny Dmiterievich Kiselev—USSR (1962-1963)
       Vladimir Pavolovich Suslov—USSR (1963-1963)
       Alexie E. Nesterenko—USSR (1965-1968)
       Leonid N. Kutakov—USSR (1968-1973)
       Arkady N. Shevchenko—USSR (1973-1978)
       Mikhail D. Sytenko—USSR (1978-1981)
       Viacheslav A. Ustinov—USSR (1981-1986)
       Uasiliy S. Safronchuk—USSR (1987-1992)
       Vladimir Petrovsky—Russia , “former USSR (1992-)
       James O. C. Jonah—Sierra Leone (Co-chairman)

Every secretary General has at least been a Socialist.



   Trygve Lie from Norway was the first elected head of the U.N. He was chosen by the fifteen-member U.N. Security Council and ratified by the U.N. General Assembly on February 1, 1946.

   Lie, at the age of twenty-three, was appointed secretary in charge of administration of the Norwegian Labor Party. The socialist lawyer served as Minister of Justice until June 1939, when a Cabinet reorganization made him Minister of Commerce. In April 1945, Lie was chosen to head the Norwegian delegation to the United Nations Founding Conference at San Francisco. At the conference itself he was chosen chairman of Commission III which was charged with drafting the charter of the Security Council of the United Nations, "the organ...which would have the power to act against aggressors."

   Dag Hammarskjold of Sweden was elected Secretary-general of the United Nations on April 7, 1953. At the age of thirty, Hammarskjold became Undersecretary of the Swedish Ministry of Finance. At the Ministry
   he worked under the Fabian socialist economist Ernst Wigforss, whom he once said considered his second father. Sweden has long been the leading socialist state of Western Europe, taxing its citizens at a 75% rate.

   U Thant of Burma was elected Secretary-general of the U.N. on November 30, 1962. According to Current Biography 1962, U Thant considered himself a democratic socialist.

   Kurt Waldheim of Austria took office as Secretary-general of the United Nations on January 1, 1972. Waldheim had been Austria's U.N. ambassador from 1964 to 1968. When the Austrian Socialist party won the March 1970 elections, Waldheim again became Austria's U.N. representative. After serving two terms as U.N. Secretary-general, Waldheim became the head of Austria. It was revealed that Waldheim had lied about his role while serving in the Nazi forces of Adolf Hitler. Facts that were made known resulted in Waldheim being banished from the United States, even though he was the head of Austria.

   Javier Perez de Cuellar became U.N. Secretary-general on December 15, 1981. In his address to the General Assembly after being sworn in, Perez de Cuellar called the disparity in wealth between rich and poor nations a violation of "the most fundamental human rights." During his administration, some third-world spokesmen complained that Perez de Cuellar had not been sufficiently outspoken in promoting the massive transfer of resources from rich to poor nations on a global scale (Wealth redistribution has always been the central plank in the platform of international socialism). "I am a third-world man," the Secretary-general replied. "But first of all I am a representative of 157 countries. I have to act in a way so that I am not only the representative of the third world."

   Boutros Boutros-Ghali, the former foreign minister of Egypt, became the first African to head the U.N. on January 1, 1992. "If I was offered the job (of secretary-general) five years ago," Ghali said, "I would have turned it down. The U.N. then was a dead horse, but after the end of the Cold War, the U.N. has a special position." Politically, Boutros-Ghali was a member of the Arab Socialist Union.



Of course Kofi Anon was

And now we have Ban Ki Moon.

Think about that, and why we need to close it up and send them all home.

Imagine that.  It would be pure insanity.  30 million deer for 300 million people.  Yeah, you have many other animals and fish, but without industrialized farming we would be dead in the water.  Mass starvation, cannibalism, TEOTWAWKI.

How will they get the people of ferguson to work on local organic farms. The problem with this is that some people do not want to contribute, period.

LOL, so true!  How much food does the U.S. export?

Yep, farming Is hard work. It's stressful and nerve wracking. God bless the farmers who keep us fed and who have made the U.S. the superpower it is. When I was getting my ag degree US food budgets were running around 12%, while the rest of the industrialized world was running around 30-40%. If you don't think that matters to an economy then you are daft.