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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:09:13 AM EDT
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Hah, that radar system would fry that SU-24 right out of the sky, if they so wanted to. Then why does the ship have SAMs? To obliterate the fried aircraft. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:09:39 AM EDT
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lol.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:14:38 AM EDT
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In the US version, the Aegis class fired one torpedo containing not a H.E. , but a sternly written letter... I lol'd Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:17:06 AM EDT
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Propaganda, and poorly written at that.
14 passes. Really? |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:17:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard a story years ago that during WWII someone decided to brag about our manufacturing capabilities by sending our Soviet allies a drill the size of a human hair. The Russians promptly drilled a hole in the shank and sent it back. Don't no if true or just a "Machine Shop" myth. Whether the radar jamming is true or not is hard to say.How would the Russians know they shut down our radar? Unless they could tell that no radar emissions were occurring? It would be a good way to signal a potential adversary that they have capabilities and to think twice before messing with them. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:17:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sounds like a command bureacracy issue. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not trying to shit on anyone's parade...but I've been on carriers in the center of a supposed AEGIS picket that were buzzed three or four times before we even got a single bird off the deck (armed with CATM-9s  ).All the way through the picket to the carrier, and had plenty of time to do whatever they needed to do. Underestimating the Russkies--and overinflating our own prowess--isn't smart. Best wishes to our boys out there. That sounds like a command bureacracy issue.  |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:18:06 AM EDT
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To obliterate the fried aircraft. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hah, that radar system would fry that SU-24 right out of the sky, if they so wanted to. Then why does the ship have SAMs? To obliterate the fried aircraft. Just as I was about to respond, I realized that I was thinking of a different radar system. However, I bet that pilot still gets some cancer before too long. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:21:17 AM EDT
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The tick tock machine. Thank you Tesla.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:29:27 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: ...After the incident, the foreign media reported that "Donald Cook" was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship... Apparently the Russians are outsourcing their news to the KCNA.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:34:38 AM EDT
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Not trying to shit on anyone's parade...but I've been on carriers in the center of a supposed AEGIS picket that were buzzed three or four times before we even got a single bird off the deck (armed with CATM-9s ).
All the way through the picket to the carrier, and had plenty of time to do whatever they needed to do. Underestimating the Russkies--and overinflating our own prowess--isn't smart. Best wishes to our boys out there. Why would you want to let them know what your real response time was? Or at what range they were detected? I'd be all, "Oh, man, you guys sure got the drop on us. We never detected you at all. No, sir." |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:36:51 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:37:27 AM EDT
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Well, this is on a Russian website...... That's what I'm thinking. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:39:29 AM EDT
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It's either the Russian Duffelblog or more Pravda than Pravda.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:40:15 AM EDT
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I'm curious about how much of the current Russian propaganda machine is controlled by Putin. I imagine he feeds some lines to his internet outlets and it just spreads from there. Like the "rise of the Ukrainian Neo Nazi party" story being told and retold in the RU, give the befuddled masses the power of the internet and any story of American atrophy becomes self-sustaining. spf |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:41:22 AM EDT
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Meshokblog? I mean, sure, the Russians certainly have an EW trick or two up their sleeves, but... Quote HistoryQuoted:
...After the incident, the foreign media reported that "Donald Cook" was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship...
Meshokblog? I mean, sure, the Russians certainly have an EW trick or two up their sleeves, but... They wouldn't be showing it off now Way too much intel to gather and adapt to. We get to find out what they have when the missiles start flying. They get to see our tricks too. If there is any scrap of truth to this encounter, we shut our radars off to prevent them from gathering intel |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:45:19 AM EDT
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No YouTube video, didn't happen.
12 passes, someone would have one on video.... |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:45:42 AM EDT
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oh please. yeah I'm sure the jamming counter measures killed the Ageis system. Look if the John Paul Jones can sink 3 Alien ships before being attacked and sunk by an alien battleship I'm sure the Donald Cook can shoot down a 30 year old Russian clap trap.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:47:54 AM EDT
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May be BS may not be, however jamming technology is not difficult to understand. Transmit pseudo-random noise over the spectrum used by an adversary's radar with a high enough PSD and they are effectively blind. It's not hard to lock onto the thing that's causing the jamming. Especially white noise. That's like switching on a flashlight in a dark room. I'm relatively certain that the Russkis have their own version of SUTER, but I highly doubt that we haven't figured in our own countermeasure to it. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:49:06 AM EDT
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Maybe next time we should splash it just for good measure.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:50:25 AM EDT
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Aegis is an old system, it's been updated but even so it's not like the world isn't aware of its capabilities. If you can put a transmitter and generator powerful enough to jam a 4 million watt phased array at a distance of 1 mile, on an su-24, well you win all the internets. Not gonna happen.
Far more likely that they snuck a virus into its last software patch and gave themselves a back door somehow. That would be a one time use weapon, because we would shit our pants and sanitize the entire fleet. Likelihood that any of this actually happened? Zero.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:50:56 AM EDT
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No YouTube video, didn't happen. 12 passes, someone would have one on video.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
No YouTube video, didn't happen. 12 passes, someone would have one on video.... wait out of the whole thing you discount that they flew over the ship? and you want video - when they're still at sea link "This provocative and unprofessional Russian action is inconsistent with their national protocols and previous agreements on the professional interaction between our militaries," said Colonel Steve Warren, a Pentagon spokesman.
Warren said a Russian Su-24 aircraft, or Fencer, made 12 passes at low altitude near the USS Donald Cook, a destroyer that has been in the Black Sea since April 10. It appeared to be unarmed, he told reporters. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:54:59 AM EDT
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I find it much more likely that the Navy realized it was an electronic warfare aircraft and shut everything down to reduce the intelligence that the aircraft could gather.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:02:46 AM EDT
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It's not hard to lock onto the thing that's causing the jamming. Especially white noise. That's like switching on a flashlight in a dark room. I'm relatively certain that the Russkis have their own version of SUTER, but I highly doubt that we haven't figured in our own countermeasure to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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May be BS may not be, however jamming technology is not difficult to understand. Transmit pseudo-random noise over the spectrum used by an adversary's radar with a high enough PSD and they are effectively blind. It's not hard to lock onto the thing that's causing the jamming. Especially white noise. That's like switching on a flashlight in a dark room. I'm relatively certain that the Russkis have their own version of SUTER, but I highly doubt that we haven't figured in our own countermeasure to it. Most DF techniques measure the signal path delay difference between two or more physical observer locations. Its intended to locate communications transmissions. Hostile high power jamming creates a lot of problems (not just signal processing but RF and digital HW issues), and I am sorry to disagree but it is hard. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:04:49 AM EDT
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Meshokblog? I mean, sure, the Russians certainly have an EW trick or two up their sleeves, but... Quote HistoryQuoted:
...After the incident, the foreign media reported that "Donald Cook" was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship...
Meshokblog? I mean, sure, the Russians certainly have an EW trick or two up their sleeves, but... Since when can someone "resign" from an enlistment |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:07:09 AM EDT
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Since when can someone "resign" from an enlistment Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...After the incident, the foreign media reported that "Donald Cook" was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship...
Meshokblog? I mean, sure, the Russians certainly have an EW trick or two up their sleeves, but... Since when can someone "resign" from an enlistment It's says they did, right there in the article. 
Besides, sailors jump ship all the time. I presume the USN has its press-gangs hard at work in Romania rounding up replacements. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:07:36 AM EDT
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Still sounds like a serious issue Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not trying to shit on anyone's parade...but I've been on carriers in the center of a supposed AEGIS picket that were buzzed three or four times before we even got a single bird off the deck (armed with CATM-9s ).
All the way through the picket to the carrier, and had plenty of time to do whatever they needed to do. Underestimating the Russkies--and overinflating our own prowess--isn't smart. Best wishes to our boys out there. That sounds like a command bureacracy issue. Oh my god if you think we're going to shoot down a Russian plane for buzzing a carrier you need to put down the alcohol. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:08:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:12:41 AM EDT
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oh please. yeah I'm sure the jamming counter measures killed the Ageis system. Look if the John Paul Jones can sink 3 Alien ships before being attacked and sunk by an alien battleship I'm sure the Donald Cook can shoot down a 30 year old Russian clap trap. Bahahahaha
I rost. 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:15:16 AM EDT
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Ok, let's theorize that Russia has this capability. I'm sure they don't, but bear with me. If you could kill Aegis and take pot-shots at destroyers all day and were angling for a fight why would you show off the capability before you actually needed it? That would have to be about the stupidest thing that Russian Naval Aviation could do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...After the incident, the foreign media reported that "Donald Cook" was rushed into a port in Romania. There all the 27 members of the crew filed a letter of resignation. It seems that all 27 people have written that they are not going to risk their lives. This is indirectly confirmed by the Pentagon statement according to which the action demoralized the crew of the American ship...
Meshokblog? I mean, sure, the Russians certainly have an EW trick or two up their sleeves, but... Ok, let's theorize that Russia has this capability. I'm sure they don't, but bear with me. If you could kill Aegis and take pot-shots at destroyers all day and were angling for a fight why would you show off the capability before you actually needed it? That would have to be about the stupidest thing that Russian Naval Aviation could do. This. You don't unveil new arms tech during a training thing with a natural enemy. You hide your strengths, and play your weaknesses. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:15:19 AM EDT
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No YouTube video, didn't happen. 12 passes, someone would have one on video.... 
You haven't been keeping up with the news, have you? |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:18:26 AM EDT
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Why didn't Snowden leak this?
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:19:13 AM EDT
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Well, that was funny. Glad to see the Russians haven't lost their sense of humor in all this.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:20:22 AM EDT
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Why would you want to let them know what your real response time was? Or at what range they were detected? I'd be all, "Oh, man, you guys sure got the drop on us. We never detected you at all. No, sir." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not trying to shit on anyone's parade...but I've been on carriers in the center of a supposed AEGIS picket that were buzzed three or four times before we even got a single bird off the deck (armed with CATM-9s ).
All the way through the picket to the carrier, and had plenty of time to do whatever they needed to do. Underestimating the Russkies--and overinflating our own prowess--isn't smart. Best wishes to our boys out there. Why would you want to let them know what your real response time was? Or at what range they were detected? I'd be all, "Oh, man, you guys sure got the drop on us. We never detected you at all. No, sir." We're not in the habit of letting foreign militaries trespass freely amongst our carrier battle groups. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:20:43 AM EDT
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No it's true guys. I talked to a guy at the gun store who has a nephew that was on that ship. He said I should buy up all the 7.62x39 that I can because when the Russians invade I will have ammo for battlefield pick ups.  That's BS. Everyone knows from Vietnam that AK's can shoot 762 and 556 Interchangeably.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:24:28 AM EDT
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Far more likely that they snuck a virus into its last software patch and gave themselves a back door somehow. That would be a one time use weapon, because we would shit our pants and sanitize the entire fleet. The Navy doesn't update Aegis like it's some kind of Windows Update. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:26:17 AM EDT
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Oh my god if you think we're going to shoot down a Russian plane for buzzing a carrier you need to put down the alcohol. No, we don't do that when we're not at war. What we do is send up "escorts". If they can get to the carrier before we send up our boys, they win. The carrier is the big prize, in the middle of a bunch of ships, all of which are connected by an electronic battlespace that extends beyond the physical shipline. If they can penetrate the shipline before we get our guys up...it's a big deal. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:28:10 AM EDT
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Then it turned and repeated the maneuver. And did so 12 times. this is what happened. 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:29:49 AM EDT
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We're not in the habit of letting foreign militaries trespass freely amongst our carrier battle groups. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not trying to shit on anyone's parade...but I've been on carriers in the center of a supposed AEGIS picket that were buzzed three or four times before we even got a single bird off the deck (armed with CATM-9s ).
All the way through the picket to the carrier, and had plenty of time to do whatever they needed to do. Underestimating the Russkies--and overinflating our own prowess--isn't smart. Best wishes to our boys out there. Why would you want to let them know what your real response time was? Or at what range they were detected? I'd be all, "Oh, man, you guys sure got the drop on us. We never detected you at all. No, sir." We're not in the habit of letting foreign militaries trespass freely amongst our carrier battle groups. I've heard tales of AGI's being close enough to CV's to moon. And get mooned back. http://tailspinstales.blogspot.com/2012/01/ka-3b-vs-agi.html |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:33:53 AM EDT
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Makes more sense this way.
"POTUS" spotted from afar the approaching situation in Russia, and sounded alarm. Everything went normally, American radars calculated the speed of the approaching target. And suddenly all the minds went blank. "POTUS" was not working any more, and the president could not get target information. Meanwhile, Putin flew over the threats from the US, did a battle turn and simulated missile attack on the target and mooned the cameras. Then it turned and repeated the maneuver. And did so 12 times. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:37:13 AM EDT
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No YouTube video, didn't happen. 12 passes, someone would have one on video.... It happened, the 12 passes were confirmed by DoD news. The rest of the story sounds like Russian propaganda. Link to .gov story |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:39:02 AM EDT
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I'm sure that "news" source will tell you Putin has a 10" dick, too. It seems that a few posters at ARFCOM would be able to attest to that. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:56:06 AM EDT
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oh please. yeah I'm sure the jamming counter measures killed the Ageis system. Look if the John Paul Jones can sink 3 Alien ships before being attacked and sunk by an alien battleship I'm sure the Donald Cook can shoot down a 30 year old Russian clap trap. The brave sailors or the JPJ fought well that day.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:07:49 AM EDT
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Most DF techniques measure the signal path delay difference between two or more physical observer locations. Its intended to locate communications transmissions. Hostile high power jamming creates a lot of problems (not just signal processing but RF and digital HW issues), and I am sorry to disagree but it is hard. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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May be BS may not be, however jamming technology is not difficult to understand. Transmit pseudo-random noise over the spectrum used by an adversary's radar with a high enough PSD and they are effectively blind. It's not hard to lock onto the thing that's causing the jamming. Especially white noise. That's like switching on a flashlight in a dark room. I'm relatively certain that the Russkis have their own version of SUTER, but I highly doubt that we haven't figured in our own countermeasure to it. Most DF techniques measure the signal path delay difference between two or more physical observer locations. Its intended to locate communications transmissions. Hostile high power jamming creates a lot of problems (not just signal processing but RF and digital HW issues), and I am sorry to disagree but it is hard. You've obviously got some expeience in this field, but enabling HOJ isn't a hard one to do. Especially at asignificant distance. I don't think they've got the power necessary to shut down an Aegis system, much less the CW/Doppler tracking radars at short distance to be installed onto anything as small as a fighter. Their pilot flipped on their jamming pod and odds are the Cook's technicians flipped their radar systems off to preserve SININT. Just because there's a SU27 buzzing the Cook, doesn't mean that tthere's not two other aircraft and a ship listening. And they *HAD* to flip off the Aegis system or the world would be short one SU27. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:10:45 AM EDT
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I find it much more likely that the Navy realized it was an electronic warfare aircraft and shut everything down to reduce the intelligence that the aircraft could gather. I came here to post that. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:17:07 AM EDT
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I see the Commies are back to their old games.
Anyone who doesn't believe the cold war / soviet union is back is a fucking retard. Where do you think Iran, NK, Cuba, Venezuela, etc. all learned? |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:19:18 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I heard a story years ago that during WWII someone decided to brag about our manufacturing capabilities by sending our Soviet allies a drill the size of a human hair. The Russians promptly drilled a hole in the shank and sent it back. Don't no if true or just a "Machine Shop" myth. Whether the radar jamming is true or not is hard to say.How would the Russians know they shut down our radar? Unless they could tell that no radar emissions were occurring? It would be a good way to signal a potential adversary that they have capabilities and to think twice before messing with them. If it was true: Or its a system they haven't seen before, therefore cannot detect it |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:21:01 AM EDT
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Oh my god if you think we're going to shoot down a Russian plane for buzzing a carrier you need to put down the alcohol. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not trying to shit on anyone's parade...but I've been on carriers in the center of a supposed AEGIS picket that were buzzed three or four times before we even got a single bird off the deck (armed with CATM-9s ).
All the way through the picket to the carrier, and had plenty of time to do whatever they needed to do. Underestimating the Russkies--and overinflating our own prowess--isn't smart. Best wishes to our boys out there. That sounds like a command bureacracy issue. Oh my god if you think we're going to shoot down a Russian plane for buzzing a carrier you need to put down the alcohol. That's what you took from that? How about the poor response and reaction time, which IMO is probably due to red tape and command speed bumps in place at the time. This is a problem throughout all services and missions at one point or another and is a serious concern to those who their lives in play. Nobody said anything about taking out an opposing aircraft for flyby's. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:24:16 AM EDT
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Ok, let's theorize that Russia has this capability. I'm sure they don't, but bear with me. If you could kill Aegis and take pot-shots at destroyers all day and were angling for a fight why would you show off the capability before you actually needed it? That would have to be about the stupidest thing that Russian Naval Aviation could do. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Meshokblog? I mean, sure, the Russians certainly have an EW trick or two up their sleeves, but... Ok, let's theorize that Russia has this capability. I'm sure they don't, but bear with me. If you could kill Aegis and take pot-shots at destroyers all day and were angling for a fight why would you show off the capability before you actually needed it? That would have to be about the stupidest thing that Russian Naval Aviation could do. You obviously never heard of Operation El Dorado Canyon. The US did exactly that. Showed that F-111’s could penetrate the Soviet air defense system and bombed Libya. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:32:21 AM EDT
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Why would you want to let them know what your real response time was? Or at what range they were detected? I'd be all, "Oh, man, you guys sure got the drop on us. We never detected you at all. No, sir." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not trying to shit on anyone's parade...but I've been on carriers in the center of a supposed AEGIS picket that were buzzed three or four times before we even got a single bird off the deck (armed with CATM-9s ).
All the way through the picket to the carrier, and had plenty of time to do whatever they needed to do. Underestimating the Russkies--and overinflating our own prowess--isn't smart. Best wishes to our boys out there. Why would you want to let them know what your real response time was? Or at what range they were detected? I'd be all, "Oh, man, you guys sure got the drop on us. We never detected you at all. No, sir." For the same reason we don't want Obama as president. If a foreign leader thinks we are weak it emboldens them and they start doing things like invading countries. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:34:29 AM EDT
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In the US version, the Aegis class fired one torpedo containing not a H.E. , but a sternly written letter... At an aircraft... ...no wonder they didn't back down, message not received. 
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