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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:33:38 PM EDT
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Uh I would simply want paid back what I have paid in along with what I could have made if I had put that money in my Roth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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SS won't pay out that much. You are fine with keeping the program, but to end it, you want to be paid more than you'd ever get out of it. And you don't even know how long you'll live. You are special. You will never see all that you've paid in unless you didn't pay in much, and live a long, long time. Do the math. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:36:15 PM EDT
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Serious question for you "young" guys saying to eliminate all benefits immediately or means test it. If you paid into the system for 47 years and were 6-12 months away from getting your $2300/month, would you really be saying the same thing? It's not a matter of means, it's a matter of what is right. Could you really walk away from that? I'm planning my retirement as if SS doesn't exist, and I shouldn't have to rely on the gov. You didn't? Welcome to Capitalism, you socialist fucks. In reality, that would never fly, and I don't think it's right or fair. But if things don't change, one day it WILL happen, whether we choose to or not. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:38:08 PM EDT
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That would be a death blow to the Republican Party. It's not just elderly democrats that rely on that money let alone people that have been paying into it. It would take CNN half a second to show a senior being kicked out of their house or not being able to feed themselves because of the loss of that check. Probably nearly every senior except the rich ones factored social security into their retirement plans. Good luck with that
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:39:39 PM EDT
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You will never see all that you've paid in unless you didn't pay in much, and love a long, long time. Do the math. So you're saying it's impossible to pay me my money just like it's impossible to end the cycle 
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:40:21 PM EDT
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No according to some here you can fuck off and not get anything back as long as they get to be special and not have to be forced in the program like you and all others were for decades. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Im good with it. Do I get a lump sum payout of what I and my employeer put into it to invest as I see fit? If not, fuvk off. Is that better or worse than those who think armed men should steal from younger generations because they |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:42:38 PM EDT
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Im good with it. Do I get a lump sum payout of what I and my employeer put into it to invest as I see fit? If not, fuvk off. Is that better or worse than those who think armed men should steal from younger generations because they 
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:46:07 PM EDT
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that fraud will not go away until it is bankrupt. There are plenty of folks even on this site who believe it is an investment vehicle and they actually have an account with "their" money in it. LOL. It would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic. Yep. This subject really brings out the closet FSA. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:47:07 PM EDT
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Im good with it. Do I get a lump sum payout of what I and my employeer put into it to invest as I see fit? If not, fuvk off. Is that better or worse than those who think armed men should steal from younger generations because they No answer? Just stuck on "it's my money" despite all the evict the contrary? |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:51:08 PM EDT
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Im good with it. Do I get a lump sum payout of what I and my employeer put into it to invest as I see fit? If not, fuvk off. Is that better or worse than those who think armed men should steal from younger generations because they No answer? Just stuck on "it's my money" despite all the evict the contrary? Just pointing out your and many more are just beating a dead horse. There is no way to pay the money back which means there is no way to end the cycle; In other words there is no answer and life will continue on.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:54:25 PM EDT
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Serious question for you "young" guys saying to eliminate all benefits immediately or means test it. If you paid into the system for 47 years and were 6-12 months away from getting your $2300/month, would you really be saying the same thing? It's not a matter of means, it's a matter of what is right. Could you really walk away from that? "Right" is a matter of perspective. To you, it is "right" that I pay for your retirement. To me, it is "right" that I don't have to pay for your retirement. However, one of our views involves taking money from someone and giving it to someone else. The other doesn't. That being said, I think we can come up with a solution that spreads the pain so that no single generation shoulders the whole burden. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 12:54:32 PM EDT
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Hell just end all federal taxes. Let the Fed just inflate the USD. Same end result and nobody pays any taxes!  Kool & The Gang - Celebration |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:04:38 PM EDT
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Just pointing out your and many more are just beating a dead horse. There is no way to pay the money back which means there is no way to end the cycle; In other words there is no answer and life will continue on. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Im good with it. Do I get a lump sum payout of what I and my employeer put into it to invest as I see fit? If not, fuvk off. Is that better or worse than those who think armed men should steal from younger generations because they No answer? Just stuck on "it's my money" despite all the evict the contrary? Just pointing out your and many more are just beating a dead horse. There is no way to pay the money back which means there is no way to end the cycle; In other words there is no answer and life will continue on. I'll take the morally superior horse to beat that doesn't involve my children getting saddled with your retirement because the same happened to you, despite you having the same options then that we do now. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:06:41 PM EDT
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I'll take the morally superior horse to beat that doesn't involve my children getting saddled with your retirement because the same happened to you, despite you having the same options then that we do now.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Im good with it. Do I get a lump sum payout of what I and my employeer put into it to invest as I see fit? If not, fuvk off. Is that better or worse than those who think armed men should steal from younger generations because they No answer? Just stuck on "it's my money" despite all the evict the contrary? Just pointing out your and many more are just beating a dead horse. There is no way to pay the money back which means there is no way to end the cycle; In other words there is no answer and life will continue on. I'll take the morally superior horse to beat that doesn't involve my children getting saddled with your retirement because the same happened to you, despite you having the same options then that we do now.. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:09:02 PM EDT
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Welcome to life, enjoy. God you're insufferable. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:09:44 PM EDT
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So you're saying it's impossible to pay me my money just like it's impossible to end the cycle Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You will never see all that you've paid in unless you didn't pay in much, and love a long, long time. Do the math. So you're saying it's impossible to pay me my money just like it's impossible to end the cycle Ending the cycle isn't impossible. It's just difficult, because stupid socialist fucks want to "get all my money back plus interest." 
As long as it doesn't collapse on you, it's good. As long as the age isn't raised for you, good. As long as your taxes aren't raised again to pay for it. Basically fuck your own kids, grandkids, national economy and American ideals because they were too stupid to save enough without the gov, or they want the check to buy a lake house. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:13:30 PM EDT
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Financial publications have been warning since the '70s that anyone who depended on Social Security for their retirement was a damned fool.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:14:52 PM EDT
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Welcome to life, enjoy. If America ceases to exist then we probably won't collect but that will be the least of our problems. Until that happens then no one's money has been stolen. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:15:45 PM EDT
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Hell just end all federal taxes. Let the Fed just inflate the USD. Same end result and nobody pays any taxes!  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3GwjfUFyY6M |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:16:04 PM EDT
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So you're saying it's impossible to pay me my money just like it's impossible to end the cycle If you were better at math, maybe your finances wouldn't have to depend as much on armed robbery... 
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:18:17 PM EDT
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Well the problem is solved.
There are so many here that will refuse it we won't have to worry about the fund running short. I will happily start collecting in January 2018. 
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:21:20 PM EDT
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Unless they pay out a shit ton of money that they'd have to print they can't shut it down. Too many people have paid into it over the years to just tough shit. If you want to see a shooting war fuck with old people's money. They won't give a shit.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:22:42 PM EDT
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If you were better at math, maybe your finances wouldn't have to depend as much on armed robbery... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you're saying it's impossible to pay me my money just like it's impossible to end the cycle If you were better at math, maybe your finances wouldn't have to depend as much on armed robbery... Like I said I have a 3 leg stool retirement plan, you might not really understand that term but lets say along with my pension contribution me and my wife also contribute A LOT to other investments
Anyone relying on SS or even just one retirement vehicle in general is a financial fool. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:25:26 PM EDT
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Well the problem is solved. There are so many here that will refuse it we won't have to worry about the fund running short. I will happily start collecting in January 2018.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:26:04 PM EDT
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I would really like my money back if they do.
Better yet, allow anyone over 40 to opt out with a cash lump sum (refund) and anyone under 40 is automatically opted out with a refund in the form of tax credits over the next 10 years. Once the pot is dry the pot is dry for anyone who chooses to stay in that isn't already drawing. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:31:34 PM EDT
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Sounds like we have a lot of members that won't be signing up when they get of age. Funding might OK in the future.........that is unless we have a lot of hypocrites here
Unless something is done to end SS, it will collapse the entire fucking economy decades before I'd be able to have the government steal a red cent for me. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:32:24 PM EDT
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Once the pot is dry the pot is dry for anyone who chooses to stay in that isn't already drawing. What pot are you talking about? |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:33:53 PM EDT
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Unless something is done to end SS, it will collapse the entire fucking economy decades before I'd be able to have the government steal a red cent for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like we have a lot of members that won't be signing up when they get of age. Funding might OK in the future.........that is unless we have a lot of hypocrites here
Unless something is done to end SS, it will collapse the entire fucking economy decades before I'd be able to have the government steal a red cent for me. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:34:19 PM EDT
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Can't be fixed until it collapses without severely overdrawing at political clout back.
Even then, whoever is in control of congress at the time will pay heavily come election time. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:42:06 PM EDT
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Republicans have been given near total control of the entire country, and I bet they still behave like democrats. Trump included.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:42:09 PM EDT
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Unless something is done to end SS, it will collapse the entire fucking economy decades before I'd be able to have the government steal a red cent for me. That wouldn't be allowed to happen. There will be reform at some point. Probably minimum age raised a year or 3, maybe caps on monthly distributions. Young people have been complaining they would never see a check from SS for decades, yet 82 years later the checks keep coming. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:42:14 PM EDT
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You're picking up what I'm putting down! I believe I am. The end result of trying to save social security and our other Socialist Party platform legacy programs for the 30s is a Scandinavian welfare State. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:51:37 PM EDT
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Like I said I have a 3 leg stool retirement plan, you might not really understand that term but lets say along with my pension contribution me and my wife also contribute A LOT to other investments
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So you're saying it's impossible to pay me my money just like it's impossible to end the cycle If you were better at math, maybe your finances wouldn't have to depend as much on armed robbery... Like I said I have a 3 leg stool retirement plan, you might not really understand that term but lets say along with my pension contribution me and my wife also contribute A LOT to other investments
Anyone relying on SS or even just one retirement vehicle in general is a financial fool. Do you portend to be a fiscal conservative? Pretend to believe in limited government? Yet you wouldn't sign on to ending social security, because you'd rather have a lake house or whatever. It's amazing how easily some "conservatives" are bribed into becoming socialists. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:52:58 PM EDT
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I would really like my money back if they do. Better yet, allow anyone over 40 to opt out with a cash lump sum (refund) and anyone under 40 is automatically opted out with a refund in the form of tax credits over the next 10 years. Once the pot is dry the pot is dry for anyone who chooses to stay in that isn't already drawing. The pot is already dry. SS is sending out more checks than it is getting in and there isn't a bank account with cash in it being burned down. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:53:54 PM EDT
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Unless something is done to end SS, it will collapse the entire fucking economy decades before I'd be able to have the government steal a red cent for me. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like we have a lot of members that won't be signing up when they get of age. Funding might OK in the future.........that is unless we have a lot of hypocrites here
Unless something is done to end SS, it will collapse the entire fucking economy decades before I'd be able to have the government steal a red cent for me. As long as they recover some of their losses, they are fine with that. Realistically, what will be done is the age and taxes will be raised. All the Socialist fuckwits will be thrilled. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:54:56 PM EDT
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To big to fail. There will be changes no doubt but without the collapse of the US dollar I don't see this going away. Buy the ticket ride the ride. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like we have a lot of members that won't be signing up when they get of age. Funding might OK in the future.........that is unless we have a lot of hypocrites here
Unless something is done to end SS, it will collapse the entire fucking economy decades before I'd be able to have the government steal a red cent for me. At what point would you say you became a full blown advocate for Socialism? Did you vote for Bernie? |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:56:39 PM EDT
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Financial publications have been warning since the '70s that anyone who depended on Social Security for their retirement was a damned fool. And even the |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:57:33 PM EDT
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Do you portend to be a fiscal conservative? Pretend to believe in limited government? Yet you wouldn't sign on to ending social security, because you'd rather have a lake house or whatever. It's amazing how easily some "conservatives" are bribed into becoming socialists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So you're saying it's impossible to pay me my money just like it's impossible to end the cycle If you were better at math, maybe your finances wouldn't have to depend as much on armed robbery... Like I said I have a 3 leg stool retirement plan, you might not really understand that term but lets say along with my pension contribution me and my wife also contribute A LOT to other investments
Anyone relying on SS or even just one retirement vehicle in general is a financial fool. Do you portend to be a fiscal conservative? Pretend to believe in limited government? Yet you wouldn't sign on to ending social security, because you'd rather have a lake house or whatever. It's amazing how easily some "conservatives" are bribed into becoming socialists. 
So will you be signing up for SS when you get of age. I know you don't think it will be there but for this question pretend it will be. I will check back for the answer after I go grill some burgers. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 1:58:16 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:02:14 PM EDT
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As long as they recover some of their losses, they are fine with that. Realistically, what will be done is the age and taxes will be raised. All the Socialist fuckwits will be thrilled. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like we have a lot of members that won't be signing up when they get of age. Funding might OK in the future.........that is unless we have a lot of hypocrites here
Unless something is done to end SS, it will collapse the entire fucking economy decades before I'd be able to have the government steal a red cent for me. As long as they recover some of their losses, they are fine with that. Realistically, what will be done is the age and taxes will be raised. All the Socialist fuckwits will be thrilled. That would make everyone in America who has a job a "socialist fuckwit". You, me and everyone else here with income pays a dedicated SS tax. Any of us that lives long enough will also collect SS. The only option to not participate is to move to a country that has no similar system. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:02:34 PM EDT
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So you're saying it's impossible to pay me my money just like it's impossible to end the cycle If you were better at math, maybe your finances wouldn't have to depend as much on armed robbery... Like I said I have a 3 leg stool retirement plan, you might not really understand that term but lets say along with my pension contribution me and my wife also contribute A LOT to other investments
Anyone relying on SS or even just one retirement vehicle in general is a financial fool. Do you portend to be a fiscal conservative? Pretend to believe in limited government? Yet you wouldn't sign on to ending social security, because you'd rather have a lake house or whatever. It's amazing how easily some "conservatives" are bribed into becoming socialists.
So will you be signing up for SS when you get of age. I know you don't think it will be there but for this question pretend it will be. I will check back for the answer after I go grill some burgers. I asked. Your positions on the Social security program are that of a proud socialist, so I'm asking if you are an all in Socialist (we have some on this site)? Or if you are just a hypocrite on this particular issue? As far as drawing or not, that's not the same thing. This thread is about what should be done. Not what will be done. You are advocating for a continuance of socialist practices, because it allows you to buy a lakehouse. I'm advocating giving away the tens of thousands I've already given, so we don't have a poorly run government socialist ponzi scheme with power over our people. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:04:28 PM EDT
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That would make everyone in America who has a job a "socialist fuckwit". You, me and everyone else here with income pays a dedicated SS tax. Any of us that lives long enough will also collect SS. The only option to not participate is to move to a country that has no similar system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Sounds like we have a lot of members that won't be signing up when they get of age. Funding might OK in the future.........that is unless we have a lot of hypocrites here
Unless something is done to end SS, it will collapse the entire fucking economy decades before I'd be able to have the government steal a red cent for me. As long as they recover some of their losses, they are fine with that. Realistically, what will be done is the age and taxes will be raised. All the Socialist fuckwits will be thrilled. That would make everyone in America who has a job a "socialist fuckwit". You, me and everyone else here with income pays a dedicated SS tax. Any of us that lives long enough will also collect SS. The only option to not participate is to move to a country that has no similar system. Did you read the title of the thread and the OP?
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:06:28 PM EDT
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Shut down the fed, invalidate all of the contrived debt created by it and seize all of the assets and moneys possessed by any and all involved and set up a truly national treasury.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:06:42 PM EDT
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Social Security isn't that much of a problem. Medicare is. At some point we just have to address the uncomfortable issue that medical science can keep people alive long after it should. There are massive costs associated with the last few months of life. We, frankly, probably need death panels that simply say the government will not pay for that kind of thing. If you are a billionaire knock yourself out with your own money, but everyone else gets hospice.
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:14:53 PM EDT
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Did you read the title of the thread and the OP?Yes. If it's not a troll thread it should be given a trophy for effort. I get where you're coming from and SS reform will have to happen but it's not going to be "shut down". |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:15:42 PM EDT
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It should be revamped so if your not 62 or older you can't have a dime of SS.
Get hurt or disabled you draw Welfare, if that's not enough your family takes care of you. Its not the governments job to keep you fed and cover healthcare. You want some cool state/government bennies? Get off your ass and carry a rifle, be a cop/firefighter EMT etc for 20 plus years, otherwise your on your our own. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:21:59 PM EDT
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:24:16 PM EDT
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Social Security isn't that much of a problem. Medicare is. At some point we just have to address the uncomfortable issue that medical science can keep people alive long after it should. There are massive costs associated with the last few months of life. We, frankly, probably need death panels that simply say the government will not pay for that kind of thing. If you are a billionaire knock yourself out with your own money, but everyone else gets hospice. bourban and let me die in peace. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:25:56 PM EDT
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So will you be signing up for SS when you get of age. I know you don't think it will be there but for this question pretend it will be. I will check back for the answer after I go grill some burgers. 33 here. My plan is to sign up for whatever is available and then gift it to my children/grandchildren. It's their money. |
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:27:09 PM EDT
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Did you read the title of the thread and the OP?Yes. If it's not a troll thread it should be given a trophy for effort. I get where you're coming from and SS reform will have to happen but it's not going to be "shut down". I agree that's what will happen. I've said so myself in this thread. But the OP makes a topic on what should we do with SS and a bunch of "fiscal conservatives" think we should continue the status quo. 
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Posted: 1/16/2017 2:31:03 PM EDT
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33 here. My plan is to sign up for whatever is available and then gift it to my children/grandchildren. It's their money. That's exactly what most people(that aren't in the poor house) with kids/grandkids do in one form or another. |
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