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Posted: 8/3/2015 10:55:47 PM EDT
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Gen 3's FTW. None of this new-fangled Gen 4 gizmodos for me. And G19>G17 All of the issues I saw with the introduction of gen 4 9mms on glock talk really scared me away for glock. Especially since they went away from the super durable shiny finish to the chalky, less durable finish. It was disappointing because my first handgun was a 21sf. Since then I discovered cz, and I really prefer them. Both are good guns, but I just like the cz better. I never did understand the superiority complex of glock guys. Any modern handgun is going to be reliable. There are tons on the market that have proven to be. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:02:30 PM EDT
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All of the issues I saw with the introduction of gen 4 9mms on glock talk really scared me away for glock. Especially since they went away from the super durable shiny finish to the chalky, less durable finish. It was disappointing because my first handgun was a 21sf. Since then I discovered cz, and I really prefer them. Both are good guns, but I just like the cz better. I never did understand the superiority complex of glock guys. Any modern handgun is going to be reliable. There are tons on the market that have proven to be. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Gen 3's FTW. None of this new-fangled Gen 4 gizmodos for me. And G19>G17 All of the issues I saw with the introduction of gen 4 9mms on glock talk really scared me away for glock. Especially since they went away from the super durable shiny finish to the chalky, less durable finish. It was disappointing because my first handgun was a 21sf. Since then I discovered cz, and I really prefer them. Both are good guns, but I just like the cz better. I never did understand the superiority complex of glock guys. Any modern handgun is going to be reliable. There are tons on the market that have proven to be. You are correct but the glock haters really went above and beyond to prove how much abuse the glock can take. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:03:50 PM EDT
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Glock fans are like crossfitters.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:05:09 PM EDT
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All those terms are ridiculously loaded with subjective meaning rather than any objective quantification.
It's difficult to argue with an article of faith. Lay down some useful metrics and we'll talk. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:06:55 PM EDT
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1911 has been around alot longer. Show me a JMB spec M1911, or 1911A1, and I will agree. The modern iterations, are a MAJOR deviation, from the simple and reliable platform, that has been highjacked. Glock wins. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:09:14 PM EDT
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Show me a JMB spec M1911, or 1911A1, and I will agree. The modern iterations, are a MAJOR deviation, from the simple and reliable platform, that has been highjacked. Glock wins. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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1911 has been around alot longer. Show me a JMB spec M1911, or 1911A1, and I will agree. The modern iterations, are a MAJOR deviation, from the simple and reliable platform, that has been highjacked. Glock wins. 4 generations of Glocks tell me that any platform can be improved on. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:09:31 PM EDT
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All those terms are ridiculously loaded with subjective meaning rather than any objective quantification. It's difficult to argue with an article of faith. Lay down some useful metrics and we'll talk. Google glock torture test, then wonder if X handgun could take the abuse |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:10:05 PM EDT
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1911 has been around alot longer. He said reliable |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:14:45 PM EDT
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It is. Nothing comes remotely close. This is coming from an HK/Sig guy. This is very true. We have about 20 range G17s at the job. Probably a couple million rounds between all of them  .
Other than a couple of cracked slides from being wayyy past service life, the only thing that really needs replacing are a couple of springs and extractors every now and then. The Sig P series guns are right behind 'em in terms of reliability, durability and accuracy. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:17:10 PM EDT
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Love my G19 and trust my life to it. 1911 is a good platform, but you have to choose the manufacturer carefully. That's one thing people don't understand. I'd like to see the reliability of a "Glock" if two dozen manufactures made them with slight spec differences. I've personally had no malfunction with 14 different 1911s from 8 different manufactures (except a total POS PT1911) and 6 Glocks. In my experience they're the same reliability wise. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:18:02 PM EDT
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I used a G17 in Iraq that I got from a dead ass Iraqi cop that didn't need it anymore. I mean he was fucked up, like his upper half was gone. Still a neat gun though. My new one has an RMR on it.
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:20:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What do you expect? They spent so much on their 1911 that a harbor freight hammer is out of the budget. ETA: that being said, my wife's springfield loaded hasn't malfunctioned yet, but my G17 is lighter, has a higher capacity, and isn't shiny. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 1911 has been around alot longer. Can you drive tent stakes into hard ground with a Glock? 1911 Guys  If your sidearm is the only thing you have to set your tent stakes maybe you should be working on other things then setting up your tent.What do you expect? They spent so much on their 1911 that a harbor freight hammer is out of the budget. ETA: that being said, my wife's springfield loaded hasn't malfunctioned yet, but my G17 is lighter, has a higher capacity, and isn't shiny. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:25:39 PM EDT
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1911 = trash can gun
Take the AK out, put the 1911 nancy gun in. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:28:44 PM EDT
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Just say no to drugs !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:29:00 PM EDT
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CZ
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:29:48 PM EDT
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The Browning Hi Power probably has the most extensive reliability record of any sidearm currently available.
I haven't personally had any malfunctions with either my BHP or my G19 so, I like them both. The Glock gets the carry edge because it is lighter and there isn't a hammer stabbing me all day. The Hi Power has the shooting edge due to its heft, longer sight radius and lighter trigger. 1911s are nice too. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:31:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 1911 has been around alot longer. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:35:59 PM EDT
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Lol that Tupperware has nothing on the beretta 92 line. Other than a much larger blast area. 
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:38:31 PM EDT
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Uh, no.. The G19 is. Tell it to NYPD. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:38:34 PM EDT
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G19....
If you want a 17 just buy a 1911.... |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:44:49 PM EDT
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BTW-as great as the range Glocks are,
I have also personally witnessed Glock KB's on the line, and seen the results of a few more than a handful of 'sploded Glocks (mostly .40's). That being said, these catastrophic failures were pretty much all due to shitastic reloads. 
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:46:52 PM EDT
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For all G17s up until the last few years.
The recent ones have something fucky going on with extraction. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:52:03 PM EDT
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Glocks suck, 1911's suck, everything sucks.
I'll carry my Glock 19, you carry whatever you want. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:54:54 PM EDT
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I used a G17 in Iraq that I got from a dead ass Iraqi cop that didn't need it anymore. I mean he was fucked up, like his upper half was gone. Still a neat gun though. My new one has an RMR on it.
http://i.imgur.com/Jvp2AmT.jpg Pics of dead cop, the Glock you pulled off his body and your DD214 or it never happened. |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:56:35 PM EDT
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Pics of dead cop, the Glock you pulled off his body and your DD214 or it never happened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I used a G17 in Iraq that I got from a dead ass Iraqi cop that didn't need it anymore. I mean he was fucked up, like his upper half was gone. Still a neat gun though. My new one has an RMR on it.
http://i.imgur.com/Jvp2AmT.jpg Pics of dead cop, the Glock you pulled off his body and your DD214 or it never happened. This |
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:57:40 PM EDT
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OP
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Posted: 8/3/2015 11:58:10 PM EDT
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My 17 will fail often with ammo that the M&P, 226, G19 all run fine on.  "fail often"? 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:01:10 AM EDT
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glock 19 for the win.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:02:14 AM EDT
[#29]
Friends don't let friends shoot glocks
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:03:36 AM EDT
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Reliable but ugly, poor ergonomics and shitty controls...meh.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:05:45 AM EDT
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I disagree.
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:06:52 AM EDT
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Meh anymore its pretty much a wash between most of the big players
sure they all put out an individual turd or have a run of shit product for awhile but for the most part if it costs $400ish or more its a decent handgun worthy of anyone's holster except non 92/99/100/101 Taurus handguns fuck them |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:27:05 AM EDT
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Yup. It's the Toyota Camry of guns. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The glock 17 is the most tested, most reliable, most proven handgun ever made. Discuss Yup. It's the Toyota Camry of guns. This. In every single way, good and bad yeah, it works and is hard to kill but fuck all if it's something I'd want to have to use.
Sig FTMFW 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:32:06 AM EDT
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My Glock 19 is the one pistol I've bought and still have. It is a great, compact, light pistol with good capacity.
Lately I've been wanting to try something different, what does the hive think about the Springfield XD's? I know they are made in Croatia but they seem to have a good reputation. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:34:22 AM EDT
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Glock 9mm
SIG P series Beretta 92 series CZ 75 series Any of these guns will serve you well. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:34:47 AM EDT
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My Glock 19 is the one pistol I've bought and still have. It is a great, compact, light pistol with good capacity. Lately I've been wanting to try something different, what does the hive think about the Springfield XD's? I know they are made in Croatia but they seem to have a good reputation. Friends don't let friends XD. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:37:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryVery close second for me. I can trust either to protect my fat ass on a late night nacho run but I'm not worried about babying any of my Glocks. USPc gets wiped down, cleaned after every range session, and even checked for lint but my Glocks? They're the Rodney Dangerfield of my gun collection. No respect, no special treatment. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:39:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryWe've had occasional fire control groups and slide stops fail on our range HK USPs. Other than that, very reliable and durable. They are right behind the Sig P series guns. I owned that same pair. Neither ever failed. Personally I sold them both 'cause they had the ergonomics of a brick. Most durable/reliable service type pistols at our range up to date, with various types of ammunition/calibers are as follows: Glock, Sig, HK, SA XDs, S&W M&Ps. These are pretty much the top 5, in that order, for having to service/repair parts or having to send them back to the manufacturer. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:42:38 AM EDT
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Have you ever heard of something called a Browning Hi Power? Let's see, stock Browning high power: Shitty heavy trigger. Check Shitty sights: check Heavier: check Less on board capacity: check Parts replacement usually means hand fitting versus simple swap: check The non customized BHP was a decent gun in the 1940s. It sucks by today's standards. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:48:28 AM EDT
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Let's see, stock Browning high power: Shitty heavy trigger. Check Shitty sights: check Heavier: check Less on board capacity: check Parts replacement usually means hand fitting versus simple swap: check The non customized BHP was a decent gun in the 1940s. It sucks by today's standards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you ever heard of something called a Browning Hi Power? Let's see, stock Browning high power: Shitty heavy trigger. Check Shitty sights: check Heavier: check Less on board capacity: check Parts replacement usually means hand fitting versus simple swap: check The non customized BHP was a decent gun in the 1940s. It sucks by today's standards. Once you remove the magazine safety, it has the best trigger on a service pistol. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:48:56 AM EDT
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Let's see, stock Browning high power: Shitty heavy trigger. Check Shitty sights: check Heavier: check Less on board capacity: check Parts replacement usually means hand fitting versus simple swap: check The non customized BHP was a decent gun in the 1940s. It sucks by today's standards. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you ever heard of something called a Browning Hi Power? Let's see, stock Browning high power: Shitty heavy trigger. Check Shitty sights: check Heavier: check Less on board capacity: check Parts replacement usually means hand fitting versus simple swap: check The non customized BHP was a decent gun in the 1940s. It sucks by today's standards. The trigger in a stock Hi power is awful. 
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:50:39 AM EDT
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Very close second for me. I can trust either to protect my fat ass on a late night nacho run but I'm not worried about babying any of my Glocks. USPc gets wiped down, cleaned after every range session, and even checked for lint but my Glocks? They're the Rodney Dangerfield of my gun collection. No respect, no special treatment. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Only reason why I clean my USP9 is that it is my carry gun. It has noticeable wear on the slide, inside it, and on the recoil assembly. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:50:44 AM EDT
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I used a G17 in Iraq that I got from a dead ass Iraqi cop that didn't need it anymore. I mean he was fucked up, like his upper half was gone. Still a neat gun though. My new one has an RMR on it.
http://i.imgur.com/Jvp2AmT.jpg That sounds like all the war hero stories I hear from guys who spent their entire pogue deployments on one if the big bases like Tallil. Completely full of shit. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:53:06 AM EDT
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G19.... If you want a 17 just buy a 1911.... What model of 1911 has a 17rd capacity in 9mm and doesn't weigh 5lbs? |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:53:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sounds like all the war hero stories I hear from guys who spent their entire pogue deployments on one if the big bases like Tallil. Completely full of shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I used a G17 in Iraq that I got from a dead ass Iraqi cop that didn't need it anymore. I mean he was fucked up, like his upper half was gone. Still a neat gun though. My new one has an RMR on it. http://i.imgur.com/Jvp2AmT.jpg That sounds like all the war hero stories I hear from guys who spent their entire pogue deployments on one if the big bases like Tallil. Completely full of shit. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:55:09 AM EDT
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That sounds like all the war hero stories I hear from guys who spent their entire pogue deployments on one if the big bases like Tallil. Completely full of shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I used a G17 in Iraq that I got from a dead ass Iraqi cop that didn't need it anymore. I mean he was fucked up, like his upper half was gone. Still a neat gun though. My new one has an RMR on it.
http://i.imgur.com/Jvp2AmT.jpg That sounds like all the war hero stories I hear from guys who spent their entire pogue deployments on one if the big bases like Tallil. Completely full of shit. Shit got real |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 12:57:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That sounds like all the war hero stories I hear from guys who spent their entire pogue deployments on one if the big bases like Tallil. Completely full of shit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I used a G17 in Iraq that I got from a dead ass Iraqi cop that didn't need it anymore. I mean he was fucked up, like his upper half was gone. Still a neat gun though. My new one has an RMR on it. http://i.imgur.com/Jvp2AmT.jpg That sounds like all the war hero stories I hear from guys who spent their entire pogue deployments on one if the big bases like Tallil. Completely full of shit. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:01:18 AM EDT
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oh gawd, not this shit again
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:08:05 AM EDT
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We've had occasional fire control groups and slide stops fail on our range HK USPs. Other than that, very reliable and durable. They are right behind the Sig P series guns. I owned that same pair. Neither ever failed. Personally I sold them both 'cause they had the ergonomics of a brick. Most durable/reliable service type pistols at our range up to date, with various types of ammunition/calibers are as follows: Glock, Sig, HK, SA XDs, S&W M&Ps. These are pretty much the top 5, in that order, for having to service/repair parts or having to send them back to the manufacturer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
We've had occasional fire control groups and slide stops fail on our range HK USPs. Other than that, very reliable and durable. They are right behind the Sig P series guns. I owned that same pair. Neither ever failed. Personally I sold them both 'cause they had the ergonomics of a brick. Most durable/reliable service type pistols at our range up to date, with various types of ammunition/calibers are as follows: Glock, Sig, HK, SA XDs, S&W M&Ps. These are pretty much the top 5, in that order, for having to service/repair parts or having to send them back to the manufacturer. I have much respect for Glock. Carried and trained on a 17 gen2 and liked it. But Im a bit of a stickler for a manual safety, though it isn't a deal breaker (own two VP9s). First polymer I owned was an M&P45 and then a 9. Git a apex trigger set up for one. The USP was just a gun I've always lused for since playing Rainbow six and finally got one. It was when I noticed I was shooting it better than my carry M&P9 that I changed over. Honestly, the Glock feels like a brick while the USP fit's in my hand better. Must be the Glock angle. The USP has had the same tests done, has been out not as long as the Glock, but for better and for worse, hasn't had many changes. The USP springs are rated for longer life, though. And the platform was originally made around the .40s&w, and dosen't recoil as bad as the Glock 22. Mechanically, they are more accurate than the Glock. What the USP does lack is the price point, the frame not being updated for a modern rail system (since HK doesn't make the light anymore), grip texture, and a better, tuned, trigger in regards to the DA/SA. But it is a hammered fired gun, so more parts involved. The only malfunction I have had with my USP has either been a well worn mag, ory reloads. I've dropped it mud, snow and dirt and keeps going. Fired over 1,100 rounds without cleaning it and it could gave gone a while longer. But what the USP was tested for, and can do that a Glock xannot, is removing a squib load by shorting it out of the barrel without a KB, or destroying the barrel. |
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Posted: 8/4/2015 1:08:52 AM EDT
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The trigger in a stock Hi power is awful.
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Have you ever heard of something called a Browning Hi Power? Let's see, stock Browning high power: Shitty heavy trigger. Check Shitty sights: check Heavier: check Less on board capacity: check Parts replacement usually means hand fitting versus simple swap: check The non customized BHP was a decent gun in the 1940s. It sucks by today's standards. The trigger in a stock Hi power is awful.
You guys actually prefer the striker fired trigger on something like a Glock to a BHP? |
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