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Posted: 6/17/2015 3:18:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Can I clarify, these are the exact CSAT standards, as in the go/no go zone is the CSAT size one? I have some real CSAT targets here I could use for this. I don't have any of those cardboard IPSC things. I used CSAT targets. |
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Posted: 6/17/2015 4:14:05 PM EDT
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Can I clarify, these are the exact CSAT standards, as in the go/no go zone is the CSAT size one? I have some real CSAT targets here I could use for this. I don't have any of those cardboard IPSC things. I used CSAT targets. Either use CSAT targets or us an IPSC/USPSA/IDPA target. Only "A" zones count on body hits, whole head counts on head hits. Each one is close enough, you either loose height or width on the body, |
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Posted: 6/17/2015 4:39:43 PM EDT
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Speaking of which, I wish they made the CSAT targets in cardboard as well.
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Posted: 6/17/2015 7:43:27 PM EDT
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I've not practiced this at all dry yet...
Gonna head out Saturday and see what I can do. |
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Posted: 6/17/2015 8:49:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I've not practiced this at all dry yet... Gonna head out Saturday and see what I can do. Cold is the best way to do them!  Never could get the video to upload to youtube. I tried with my macbook, it never goes past 0% processing, even after a few hours.  Who the hell knows. I'm gonna keep trying though. |
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Posted: 6/17/2015 9:23:00 PM EDT
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Cold is the best way to do them!
Never could get the video to upload to youtube. I tried with my macbook, it never goes past 0% processing, even after a few hours. Who the hell knows. I'm gonna keep trying though.
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I've not practiced this at all dry yet... Gonna head out Saturday and see what I can do. Cold is the best way to do them!
Never could get the video to upload to youtube. I tried with my macbook, it never goes past 0% processing, even after a few hours. Who the hell knows. I'm gonna keep trying though.
Try on a real computer. 
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Posted: 6/17/2015 10:07:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Try on a real computer. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I've not practiced this at all dry yet... Gonna head out Saturday and see what I can do. Cold is the best way to do them! Never could get the video to upload to youtube. I tried with my macbook, it never goes past 0% processing, even after a few hours. Who the hell knows. I'm gonna keep trying though.Try on a real computer.  |
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Posted: 6/17/2015 10:57:19 PM EDT
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I've not practiced this at all dry yet... Gonna head out Saturday and see what I can do. Cold is the best way to do them!
Never could get the video to upload to youtube. I tried with my macbook, it never goes past 0% processing, even after a few hours. Who the hell knows. I'm gonna keep trying though.
Try on a real computer. http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/saywha.gif Yep, looks like a typical Mac user.
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Posted: 6/17/2015 11:07:08 PM EDT
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I'm thinking it might be my router. My research in the past tells me that my laptop doesn't work well with this particular router. So tomorrow I will take it to work and try up there.
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Posted: 6/19/2015 1:39:18 PM EDT
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Weekend bump!
Not sure what I shall inflict open the willing for the next 2 weeks. But first thing first. I'll head out in the morning and do the CSAT 
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Posted: 6/19/2015 1:48:29 PM EDT
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Not sure if I'll be able to make this one. If so it will be Sunday afternoon, maybe Monday.
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Posted: 6/19/2015 1:50:26 PM EDT
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Not sure if I'll be able to make this one. If so it will be Sunday afternoon, maybe Monday. Maybe I'll "win" by default of being the only one to submit a video 
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Posted: 6/19/2015 2:27:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I'll "win" by default of being the only one to submit a video Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not sure if I'll be able to make this one. If so it will be Sunday afternoon, maybe Monday. Maybe I'll "win" by default of being the only one to submit a video  |
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Posted: 6/19/2015 2:33:16 PM EDT
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Not sure if I'll be able to make this one. If so it will be Sunday afternoon, maybe Monday. Maybe I'll "win" by default of being the only one to submit a video
Hey I use a Mac as well
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Posted: 6/19/2015 2:34:50 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Maybe I'll "win" by default of being the only one to submit a video Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not sure if I'll be able to make this one. If so it will be Sunday afternoon, maybe Monday. Maybe I'll "win" by default of being the only one to submit a video Take two is on track for tomorrow. |
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Posted: 6/19/2015 3:03:45 PM EDT
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Take two is on track for tomorrow.
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Not sure if I'll be able to make this one. If so it will be Sunday afternoon, maybe Monday. Maybe I'll "win" by default of being the only one to submit a video Take two is on track for tomorrow.
Awe shiiiit 
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Posted: 6/19/2015 4:50:16 PM EDT
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Do it from concealment!
Also, I'm going to update my browser today. Maybe that will help. |
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Posted: 6/19/2015 10:20:25 PM EDT
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Friday night bump!
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Posted: 6/20/2015 8:57:17 AM EDT
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Saturday bump
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Posted: 6/20/2015 11:02:31 AM EDT
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Couldn't bang out a clean run. Had 2 down as best x2...
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Posted: 6/20/2015 2:54:50 PM EDT
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CSAT Pistol Standards 1.) 0.77s 2.) 1.43s 3.) 1.16s 4.) 2.72s 5.) 2.06s 6.) 4.41s 7.) 2.39s 8.) 3.61s 9.) 2.11s 10.) 2.94s Raw Time: 23.6 seconds 2c HF 5.13 2 second penalty per miss 2 misses Adjusted Time: 27.6 seconds Sig P226R Blade Tech Eclipse OWB BlackHawk BTS Double Mag Pouch SAA 115gr FMJ Remanufactured Had 2 similar runs, screwed the pooch on the mag change though. Then another time a plane fly over low altitude and I was looking at it and forgot which iteration I was on lol... |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 8:51:00 PM EDT
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Total raw: 19.82 Hits/Misses: 24/1 Total time: 21.82 I didn't dry-fire before the TRB on #7 as it wasn't specified, I just went into the malf clearance. I didn't realize that could be an issue until I saw your video, Billy. If my gaymer brain screwed that up for me I'd be willing to take a 1 second penalty to make up for it. After many attempts, I made it all the way to the last string clean. Then my old friend Mike came to visit and fucked things up like he always does. I don't know why we're still friends. |
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Posted: 6/20/2015 9:06:55 PM EDT
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Hits/Misses: 24/1 Total time: 21.82 I didn't dry-fire before the TRB on #7 as it wasn't specified, I just went into the malf clearance. I didn't realize that could be an issue until I saw your video, Billy. If my gaymer brain screwed that up for me I'd be willing to take a 1 second penalty to make up for it. After many attempts, I made it all the way to the last string clean. Then my old friend Mike came to visit and fucked things up like he always does. I don't know why we're still friends.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MLexxirTUZk
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As for the TRB, I am not worried about it, if you are heart broken or someone else comes close to your time you can add the 0.56sec to it as that is what your press out and fire was from iteration number 1. But like I said, I am not too broke up about it.
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Posted: 6/21/2015 8:57:41 AM EDT
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Saw Gilenus at a 2 gun match yesterday; he's making us look like chumps with his pistol work.
I need to be doing what he's doing. He pointed me to this thread among other things - so ... tagged
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Posted: 6/23/2015 11:59:40 AM EDT
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Saw Gilenus at a 2 gun match yesterday; he's making us look like chumps with his pistol work. I need to be doing what he's doing. He pointed me to this thread among other things - so ... tagged That's the truth, is is smoking this pistol stuff. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 12:30:00 PM EDT
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And GilenusX207 is the winner.
Too bad only 2 of us got video up
Next Drill is El Presidente! I think after this I'll switch it up with some rifle stuff
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Posted: 6/23/2015 12:53:43 PM EDT
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So for the el pres run, does anything with less than 12 alphas not count? I vote we score it like the classifier (99-11) and say the highest HF wins.
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Posted: 6/23/2015 1:09:51 PM EDT
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So for the el pres run, does anything with less than 12 alphas not count? I vote we score it like the classifier (99-11) and say the highest HF wins. I forget how the HF works. Post a link to a calculator and we'll figure it out. It will either be scored on HF or pure time and "A" hits with misses counting for a time penalty. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 1:54:44 PM EDT
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I forget how the HF works. Post a link to a calculator and we'll figure it out. It will either be scored on HF or pure time and "A" hits with misses counting for a time penalty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So for the el pres run, does anything with less than 12 alphas not count? I vote we score it like the classifier (99-11) and say the highest HF wins. I forget how the HF works. Post a link to a calculator and we'll figure it out. It will either be scored on HF or pure time and "A" hits with misses counting for a time penalty. Hit factor is points per second. El Pres is a 60 pt stage (alpha = 5 pt). If we use minor scoring, an alpha is 5, bravo and charlie are 3, and delta is 1. So if you shoot all alphas in 10 seconds, your HF is 6. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 8:32:27 PM EDT
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Hit factor is points per second. El Pres is a 60 pt stage (alpha = 5 pt). If we use minor scoring, an alpha is 5, bravo and charlie are 3, and delta is 1. So if you shoot all alphas in 10 seconds, your HF is 6. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So for the el pres run, does anything with less than 12 alphas not count? I vote we score it like the classifier (99-11) and say the highest HF wins. I forget how the HF works. Post a link to a calculator and we'll figure it out. It will either be scored on HF or pure time and "A" hits with misses counting for a time penalty. Hit factor is points per second. El Pres is a 60 pt stage (alpha = 5 pt). If we use minor scoring, an alpha is 5, bravo and charlie are 3, and delta is 1. So if you shoot all alphas in 10 seconds, your HF is 6. After thinking about it. Will score as pure time with misses adding 2 second per miss. A miss being anything out side the "A" zone on the body. It's simply easier for anyone that does not shoot USPSA and I hope it would help throw a premium on good clean runs. Accuracy on a premium. 
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Posted: 6/23/2015 8:48:17 PM EDT
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After thinking about it. Will score as pure time with misses adding 2 second per miss. A miss being anything out side the "A" zone on the body. It's simply easier for anyone that does not shoot USPSA and I hope it would help throw a premium on good clean runs. Accuracy on a premium. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So for the el pres run, does anything with less than 12 alphas not count? I vote we score it like the classifier (99-11) and say the highest HF wins. I forget how the HF works. Post a link to a calculator and we'll figure it out. It will either be scored on HF or pure time and "A" hits with misses counting for a time penalty. Hit factor is points per second. El Pres is a 60 pt stage (alpha = 5 pt). If we use minor scoring, an alpha is 5, bravo and charlie are 3, and delta is 1. So if you shoot all alphas in 10 seconds, your HF is 6. After thinking about it. Will score as pure time with misses adding 2 second per miss. A miss being anything out side the "A" zone on the body. It's simply easier for anyone that does not shoot USPSA and I hope it would help throw a premium on good clean runs. Accuracy on a premium.
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:00:07 PM EDT
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So for the el pres run, does anything with less than 12 alphas not count? I vote we score it like the classifier (99-11) and say the highest HF wins. I forget how the HF works. Post a link to a calculator and we'll figure it out. It will either be scored on HF or pure time and "A" hits with misses counting for a time penalty. Hit factor is points per second. El Pres is a 60 pt stage (alpha = 5 pt). If we use minor scoring, an alpha is 5, bravo and charlie are 3, and delta is 1. So if you shoot all alphas in 10 seconds, your HF is 6. After thinking about it. Will score as pure time with misses adding 2 second per miss. A miss being anything out side the "A" zone on the body. It's simply easier for anyone that does not shoot USPSA and I hope it would help throw a premium on good clean runs. Accuracy on a premium. You can post hit factor and help the rest of us figure it out for science purposes
But to help keep this less intimidating straight time is more along those lines. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:01:56 PM EDT
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How big of an alpha zone are we talking? Because two of the videos you linked to in the OP are about 2-3x the size of a USPSA alpha zone.
This is going to be REALLY hard if you only count alphas, and a 2 second penalty basically ruins your score so that isn't an option. Maybe make it like 1/3 of a second? |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:02:34 PM EDT
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Hit factor is superior scoring, but your challenge, your rules.
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:06:46 PM EDT
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Hit factor is superior scoring, but your challenge, your rules. QFT
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:11:48 PM EDT
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Hit factor is superior scoring, but your challenge, your rules. Well explain it and give solid examples so it's not intimidating to someone that's never competed. But if we go that far are we gonna add in power factor and class the guns being used? Kind of see what I'm getting at? My 226 falls under limited minor iirc but if someone uses a 1911 he's shooting single stack major etc. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:13:34 PM EDT
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How big of an alpha zone are we talking? Because two of the videos you linked to in the OP are about 2-3x the size of a USPSA alpha zone. This is going to be REALLY hard if you only count alphas, and a 2 second penalty basically ruins your score so that isn't an option. Maybe make it like 1/3 of a second? I could go 0.5 seconds per miss. But I want the penalty to be steep to push the need for accuracy. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:15:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well explain it and give solid examples so it's not intimidating to someone that's never competed. But if we go that far are we gonna add in power factor and class the guns being used? Kind of see what I'm getting at? My 226 falls under limited minor iirc but if someone uses a 1911 he's shooting single stack major etc. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Hit factor is superior scoring, but your challenge, your rules. Well explain it and give solid examples so it's not intimidating to someone that's never competed. But if we go that far are we gonna add in power factor and class the guns being used? Kind of see what I'm getting at? My 226 falls under limited minor iirc but if someone uses a 1911 he's shooting single stack major etc. You're making it too complicated. Everything gets minor scoring. A=5 points, C= 3, D=1 Add up all points and divide by your time. badabing, badaboom |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:18:21 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:19:03 PM EDT
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Hit factor is superior scoring, but your challenge, your rules. QFT I'm not saying it isn't but I don't want someone that's never competed to not shoot it based on the scoring being more involved then something as simple as time and hits/misses. And as far as dimensions of the target. USPSA/IPSC/IDPA targets. Which ever you got. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:20:20 PM EDT
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Hit factor is superior scoring, but your challenge, your rules. Well explain it and give solid examples so it's not intimidating to someone that's never competed. But if we go that far are we gonna add in power factor and class the guns being used? Kind of see what I'm getting at? My 226 falls under limited minor iirc but if someone uses a 1911 he's shooting single stack major etc. You're making it too complicated. Everything gets minor scoring. A=5 points, C= 3, D=1 Add up all points and divide by your time. badabing, badaboom Ok ok, we'll do HF! |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:20:53 PM EDT
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Well explain it and give solid examples so it's not intimidating to someone that's never competed. But if we go that far are we gonna add in power factor and class the guns being used? Kind of see what I'm getting at? My 226 falls under limited minor iirc but if someone uses a 1911 he's shooting single stack major etc. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hit factor is superior scoring, but your challenge, your rules. Well explain it and give solid examples so it's not intimidating to someone that's never competed. But if we go that far are we gonna add in power factor and class the guns being used? Kind of see what I'm getting at? My 226 falls under limited minor iirc but if someone uses a 1911 he's shooting single stack major etc. A=5 B=3 C=3 D=1 Use that scoring for everyone, regardless of caliber or gun. Your 226 is much more like Production gun (although the only Sig I've ever seen someone use was a 320) unless you wanted more than 10 rounds in the mag, which wouldn't benefit you at all for an el pres. Hit factor is points per second. Add up the points from your score, divide by your time, and you're done. It's super simple and easy. |
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:21:57 PM EDT
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Hit factor is superior scoring, but your challenge, your rules. Well explain it and give solid examples so it's not intimidating to someone that's never competed. But if we go that far are we gonna add in power factor and class the guns being used? Kind of see what I'm getting at? My 226 falls under limited minor iirc but if someone uses a 1911 he's shooting single stack major etc. You're making it too complicated. Everything gets minor scoring. A=5 points, C= 3, D=1 Add up all points and divide by your time. badabing, badaboom Ok ok, we'll do HF! 
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:22:09 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:22:56 PM EDT
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A=5 B=3 C=3 D=1 Use that scoring for everyone, regardless of caliber or gun. Your 226 is much more like Production gun (although the only Sig I've ever seen someone use was a 320) unless you wanted more than 10 rounds in the mag, which wouldn't benefit you at all for an el pres. Hit factor is points per second. Add up the points from your score, divide by your time, and you're done. It's super simple and easy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Hit factor is superior scoring, but your challenge, your rules. Well explain it and give solid examples so it's not intimidating to someone that's never competed. But if we go that far are we gonna add in power factor and class the guns being used? Kind of see what I'm getting at? My 226 falls under limited minor iirc but if someone uses a 1911 he's shooting single stack major etc. A=5 B=3 C=3 D=1 Use that scoring for everyone, regardless of caliber or gun. Your 226 is much more like Production gun (although the only Sig I've ever seen someone use was a 320) unless you wanted more than 10 rounds in the mag, which wouldn't benefit you at all for an el pres. Hit factor is points per second. Add up the points from your score, divide by your time, and you're done. It's super simple and easy. 20 round mags
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:34:11 PM EDT
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Ok ok, we'll do HF! I can sort of play, then... My best official runs of 99-11 on file are: Limited - 54 points - 6.39 sec - 8.4507 HF Production - 56 points - 6.76 sec - 8.2840 HF Only difference in your stated setup and an actual run of 99-11 would be lack of concealment. As I mentioned in the USPSA thread before, I have no range that would permit me to take part in this otherwise, so that's as close to participating as I can get for at least another year (possible opportunity if I can get into another club).
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:38:04 PM EDT
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That you!?! Man! I've lost already
Quote HistorySoooo just to further the push for HF over your scoring. Ben's run was: 54pt / 3.87 sec = 13.9534. That's a 100%, which is of course a Grandmaster level score and as high as it gets. However, if he used your proposed scoring instead of regular USPSA scoring, it would have added 6 seconds for his 3 charlies, which would have put him at a score of 53%, which is a mid-C class score. I'm at like 65% right now, which is low B and not even in the same universe as Ben. All because of his 3 charlies. Juuuuuust saying. 
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:38:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 6/23/2015 9:51:57 PM EDT
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I think I came in 2nd that day
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Posted: 6/23/2015 10:00:04 PM EDT
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I can sort of play, then... My best official runs of 99-11 on file are: Limited - 54 points - 6.39 sec - 8.4507 HF Production - 56 points - 6.76 sec - 8.2840 HF Only difference in your stated setup and an actual run of 99-11 would be lack of concealment. As I mentioned in the USPSA thread before, I have no range that would permit me to take part in this otherwise, so that's as close to participating as I can get for at least another year (possible opportunity if I can get into another club). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok ok, we'll do HF! I can sort of play, then... My best official runs of 99-11 on file are: Limited - 54 points - 6.39 sec - 8.4507 HF Production - 56 points - 6.76 sec - 8.2840 HF Only difference in your stated setup and an actual run of 99-11 would be lack of concealment. As I mentioned in the USPSA thread before, I have no range that would permit me to take part in this otherwise, so that's as close to participating as I can get for at least another year (possible opportunity if I can get into another club). A few years back I got real into El Presidente Similar times. |
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