User Panel
User Panel
User Panel
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:14:39 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
They paid MUCH more to get a perfect lower. Sell them for $50 and you have a point. Check the price paid.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
There is nothing wrong with those lowers besides minor cosmetic imperfections. Kids these days. They paid MUCH more to get a perfect lower. Sell them for $50 and you have a point. Check the price paid. I guess it's not even something I would notice. I could see being pissed if it was out of spec. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:18:34 AM EDT
[#2]
"It's a serious user's gun. It's supposed to look like shit."
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:19:16 AM EDT
[#3]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Which is not what the people were sold. If you're sold a blem (ie, a lower with minor cosmetic imperfections), then you don't have much room to be upset. If you're sold a lower that isn't advertised as a blem, then yeah you have a right to be upset. Your stance is similar to saying "well, I know you filled your car up out of the premium pump and got regular gas, but it's still gas. Nothing wrong with it, just lower octane." Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
There is nothing wrong with those lowers besides minor cosmetic imperfections. Kids these days. Which is not what the people were sold. If you're sold a blem (ie, a lower with minor cosmetic imperfections), then you don't have much room to be upset. If you're sold a lower that isn't advertised as a blem, then yeah you have a right to be upset. Your stance is similar to saying "well, I know you filled your car up out of the premium pump and got regular gas, but it's still gas. Nothing wrong with it, just lower octane." Poor analogy. The quality of gas affects performance. Having a small cosmetic defect has no effect on the performance of the weapon. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:20:13 AM EDT
[#4]
Quoted:
Folks are paying top dollar for Gen II non-chainsaw lowers and they are showing up with issues galore... Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? 
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:20:42 AM EDT
[#5]
Quote HistoryQuoted: There is nothing wrong with those lowers besides minor cosmetic imperfections. Kids these days. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:21:41 AM EDT
[#6]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Seems weird that Noveske is now Cerakoting their lowers instead of anodizing them.  Anodized finishes are not identical from batch to batch - even while using the identical parts and procedures. They are still anodizing them, just covering that up with Cerakote to make all their uppers/lowers uniform in color. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:22:03 AM EDT
[#7]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
That would suck if you went through all that trouble to get a pristine replacement lower and put a big gouge into it the next time you pulled it out of the safe to fondle it. That would be my luck. Guilty  Different company though, but same thing happened. Still love it though.  
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:22:30 AM EDT
[#8]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still haven't been able to find any blems on the blem lowers and uppers I've bought. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PSA is where the value is these days. Still haven't been able to find any blems on the blem lowers and uppers I've bought. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:24:34 AM EDT
[#9]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t649/mdwstddm4/df/IMG_0957_zps53a7be24.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Folks are paying top dollar for Gen II non-chainsaw lowers and they are showing up with issues galore... Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t649/mdwstddm4/df/IMG_0957_zps53a7be24.jpg |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:24:41 AM EDT
[#10]
What makes them $250? I was always under the impression that a lower is a lower.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:25:33 AM EDT
[#11]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I never would have found those flaws.  I would, but only because I'm in the business of finding flaws in rifle parts.
If it didnt' come out of my shop, it wouldn't bother me a bit.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:26:51 AM EDT
[#12]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t649/mdwstddm4/df/IMG_0957_zps53a7be24.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Folks are paying top dollar for Gen II non-chainsaw lowers and they are showing up with issues galore... Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t649/mdwstddm4/df/IMG_0957_zps53a7be24.jpg But that was Noveske's claim to fame... PRISTINE finishes on their products. That lower should've been sold as a chainsaw. All of the blem PSA lowers I have built around look better than that Noveske. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:28:36 AM EDT
[#13]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
There are some pretty bashed up lowers in that thread. Personally I would not care but whatever, I can understand why someone paying a bunch of money is pissed. I thought the chainsaw lower deal was pretty clever, but I guess they really opened themselves up to people expecting the full price lowers to be flawless. A lot of that looks no different than some of the bashed up stuff that Colt sends out the door. I would have no problem using one of those bashed up lowers. All of my noveske lowers are chainsaw lowers and those pick look like chainsaw grade. I would have a big problem paying non chainsaw prices for them. I would buy them as chainsaw lowers all day long. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:29:32 AM EDT
[#14]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still haven't been able to find any blems on the blem lowers and uppers I've bought. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PSA is where the value is these days. Still haven't been able to find any blems on the blem lowers and uppers I've bought. One of the best deals going these days |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:31:35 AM EDT
[#15]
Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes them $250? I was always under the impression that a lower is a lower. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:35:04 AM EDT
[#16]
They're not the only ones with buyers remorse...
http://captiongenerator.com/6883/Hitler-Finds-Out-About-Noveske |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:36:49 AM EDT
[#17]
Like a bunch of girls and Barbie. Crybaby central over there.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:37:19 AM EDT
[#18]
Some of the "flaws" wouldn't bother me. There is no freaking way I'd pay full price for the hack jobs done by the rear TD pin. Advertise & sell a perfect part.. you best ship a perfect part.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:37:35 AM EDT
[#19]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Poor analogy. The quality of gas affects performance. Having a small cosmetic defect has no effect on the performance of the weapon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
There is nothing wrong with those lowers besides minor cosmetic imperfections. Kids these days. Which is not what the people were sold. If you're sold a blem (ie, a lower with minor cosmetic imperfections), then you don't have much room to be upset. If you're sold a lower that isn't advertised as a blem, then yeah you have a right to be upset. Your stance is similar to saying "well, I know you filled your car up out of the premium pump and got regular gas, but it's still gas. Nothing wrong with it, just lower octane." Poor analogy. The quality of gas affects performance. Having a small cosmetic defect has no effect on the performance of the weapon. No, it's an apt analogy. They were sold one thing and delivered another. Whether what they were buying makes sense to you or not that is what happened. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:38:12 AM EDT
[#20]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
If they had paid $50 for them, sure. But these are $250 lowers. They'd better come with a blowjob Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
There is nothing wrong with those lowers besides minor cosmetic imperfections. Kids these days. I was under the impression they were paying for the Logo/rollmark. Put a magpul logo and rollmark on those and people will pay more than $250. It's still just a lower, at the end of the day all that counts is if it is in spec or not. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:38:13 AM EDT
[#21]
for most of those i would not complain. then again i would not pay that kind of money for a lower based on cosmetic finishes. OMG the coating has a dimple in it that i needed a high power optic to see and will in now way effect how the rifle works.
what ever. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:41:13 AM EDT
[#22]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
PSA is where the value is these days. they take all my money, then put everything on sale the next day , I still love their sales.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:41:37 AM EDT
[#23]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Poor analogy. The quality of gas affects performance. Having a small cosmetic defect has no effect on the performance of the weapon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
There is nothing wrong with those lowers besides minor cosmetic imperfections. Kids these days. Which is not what the people were sold. If you're sold a blem (ie, a lower with minor cosmetic imperfections), then you don't have much room to be upset. If you're sold a lower that isn't advertised as a blem, then yeah you have a right to be upset. Your stance is similar to saying "well, I know you filled your car up out of the premium pump and got regular gas, but it's still gas. Nothing wrong with it, just lower octane." Poor analogy. The quality of gas affects performance. Having a small cosmetic defect has no effect on the performance of the weapon. Fair enough, but would you buy a "brand new" car with a few dings and scratches in the paint without any reduction in price? I sure as hell wouldn't. I will be the one to put scratches on my car, not the dealer.
If you have a "blemished" line for a product, you have to delineate between the two. If they never introduced the chainsaw line, this wouldn't be an issue for the smaller defects. Some of the other flaws are truly , though.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:41:48 AM EDT
[#24]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Still haven't been able to find any blems on the blem lowers and uppers I've bought. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PSA is where the value is these days. Still haven't been able to find any blems on the blem lowers and uppers I've bought. I had a batch a few months back that were obviously blems (marks/scratches, off color, etc.). However, the last few blems I've received from them looked near perfect. I've used various blems from Aero Precision as well, and they are always near perfect. I've only found one tiny imperfection on one, that you really had to look closely to see. As for these Noveske lowers, I'd be pissed if I paid that much for a lower, and it looked like that. You pay the premium for their attention to detail. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:42:21 AM EDT
[#25]
i really think it's neat-o that they now refer to themselves as "The Greatest Gun Manufacturer Ever," and have lots of really rad t-shirts and stickers for sale.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:44:05 AM EDT
[#26]
Quote HistoryQuoted: they take all my money, then put everything on sale the next day , I still love their sales. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: PSA is where the value is these days. they take all my money, then put everything on sale the next day , I still love their sales.  |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:45:27 AM EDT
[#27]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
pics of stripped lower ? (please dont kill me) Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Any plain jane, PSA or Anderson lower, I wouldn't even bat an eye at those marks. Paid a premium for a Noveske? Yeah, I'd be a bit upset. There's nothing wrong with plain jane lower. I have one and it's never failed me.
pics of stripped lower ? (please dont kill me) Tag. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:45:47 AM EDT
[#28]
I've been very happy with my $110 Noveske lowers circa 2007.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:46:38 AM EDT
[#29]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ive never found any blems on my psa blem lowers. I think they just do it to clear some stock Sounds like PSA packed yours properly. They have been known to throw multiple lowers in a box and let them get banged up in transit...then some people here respond with "They are blems...what do you expect?" I do not see the point in paying that much for a lower. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:47:38 AM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
But that was Noveske's claim to fame... PRISTINE finishes on their products. That lower should've been sold as a chainsaw. All of the blem PSA lowers I have built around look better than that Noveske. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Folks are paying top dollar for Gen II non-chainsaw lowers and they are showing up with issues galore... Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t649/mdwstddm4/df/IMG_0957_zps53a7be24.jpg But that was Noveske's claim to fame... PRISTINE finishes on their products. That lower should've been sold as a chainsaw. All of the blem PSA lowers I have built around look better than that Noveske. Got ya. Now that you say that, I can see what a complete rip off that piece of shit lower was. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:47:40 AM EDT
[#31]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Looking at those pics, my 3 Noveske Chainsaw Lowers look a hell of a lot better than those My thought as well. I got 2 chainsaw lowers for $100.00 a piece a couple years ago and they looked great compared to those. I get that Noveske is somewhat local to me and makes awesome products but Im not nice enough to my guns to spend that kind of cash for something Im going to ding up anyway. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:48:37 AM EDT
[#32]
Wow, you guys are picky. But I suppose that's why you're paying $250.00 for the lower in the first place.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:53:43 AM EDT
[#33]
Meh. Some of those I would not bitch about, but some look pretty shitty for a high end lower.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:55:30 AM EDT
[#34]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
What makes them $250? I was always under the impression that a lower is a lower. I've always bought the cheapest in-spec lowers I can find. Heck, I remember the days when all the holes just might NOT line up and there were only a couple of sources for parts. It sucked! Kids building AR's today have it made so they cry about dings and things that don't matter one bit and buy the cool logo of the day at inflated prices. It's simple - either cover the ding with a sharpie or return it and move on. Their ultra picky QC went out the window - we have seen this before. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 7:56:59 AM EDT
[#35]
It had a spec on it. A spec.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:00:26 AM EDT
[#36]
Quote HistoryQuoted: It had a spec on it. A spec.  |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:01:53 AM EDT
[#37]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I was under the impression they were paying for the Logo/rollmark. Put a magpul logo and rollmark on those and people will pay more than $250. It's still just a lower, at the end of the day all that counts is if it is in spec or not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
There is nothing wrong with those lowers besides minor cosmetic imperfections. Kids these days. I was under the impression they were paying for the Logo/rollmark. Put a magpul logo and rollmark on those and people will pay more than $250. It's still just a lower, at the end of the day all that counts is if it is in spec or not. You sound like Hillary Clinton with all your "What difference does it make?" talk
The point is we were sold "Grade A" lowers not Chainsaws. Yeah I like my rifles to look pretty and have a cool rollmark, so what? I also like my tools to look pretty as well. The marks they end up with after use should happen as a result of my doing, not the manufacturer. Why is this concept so hard for some people to grasp?
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:01:57 AM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
I've always bought the cheapest in-spec lowers I can find. Heck, I remember the days when all the holes just might NOT line up and there were only a couple of sources for parts. It sucked! Kids building AR's today have it made so they cry about dings and things that don't matter one bit and buy the cool logo of the day at inflated prices. It's simple - either cover the ding with a sharpie or return it and move on. Their ultra picky QC went out the window - we have seen this before. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
What makes them $250? I was always under the impression that a lower is a lower. I've always bought the cheapest in-spec lowers I can find. Heck, I remember the days when all the holes just might NOT line up and there were only a couple of sources for parts. It sucked! Kids building AR's today have it made so they cry about dings and things that don't matter one bit and buy the cool logo of the day at inflated prices. It's simple - either cover the ding with a sharpie or return it and move on. Their ultra picky QC went out the window - we have seen this before. Word..you should see how shitty some of the Colts look now a days..I am at the point I dont send them back anymore..its not worth the headache. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:03:53 AM EDT
[#39]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
My thought as well. I got 2 chainsaw lowers for $100.00 a piece a couple years ago and they looked great compared to those. I get that Noveske is somewhat local to me and makes awesome products but Im not nice enough to my guns to spend that kind of cash for something Im going to ding up anyway. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Looking at those pics, my 3 Noveske Chainsaw Lowers look a hell of a lot better than those My thought as well. I got 2 chainsaw lowers for $100.00 a piece a couple years ago and they looked great compared to those. I get that Noveske is somewhat local to me and makes awesome products but Im not nice enough to my guns to spend that kind of cash for something Im going to ding up anyway. Yup. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:03:59 AM EDT
[#40]
Deburr....
When I worked in a machine shop, deburr guys were notorious for being dumb potheads with no attention to detail and we cycled through them a lot. This is the kind of work they did. It kills me when I see shit deburr on AR parts, since it's so easy to do correctly and is one of the last steps. Same with poorly installed helicoils |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:07:14 AM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Anodized finishes are not identical from batch to batch - even while using the identical parts and procedures. They are still anodizing them, just covering that up with Cerakote to make all their uppers/lowers uniform in color. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Seems weird that Noveske is now Cerakoting their lowers instead of anodizing them. Anodized finishes are not identical from batch to batch - even while using the identical parts and procedures. They are still anodizing them, just covering that up with Cerakote to make all their uppers/lowers uniform in color. Still won't work. Every batch of Cerakote is a TINY bit different. And the mix of hardener to Coating changes appearance as well. As long as they do matched sets from the beginning that stay side by side through the entire process, they'll be ok. But if they do 20 lowers, mix a new batch, 20 lowers, mix a new batch, 20 uppers, etc, slight differences will appear. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:08:07 AM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Deburr.... When I worked in a machine shop, deburr guys were notorious for being dumb potheads with no attention to detail and we cycled through them a lot. This is the kind of work they did. It kills me when I see shit deburr on AR parts, since it's so easy to do correctly and is one of the last steps. Same with poorly installed helicoils |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:09:47 AM EDT
[#43]
Quote HistoryQuoted: They paid MUCH more to get a perfect lower. Sell them for $50 and you have a point. Check the price paid. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: There is nothing wrong with those lowers besides minor cosmetic imperfections. Kids these days. They paid MUCH more to get a perfect lower. Sell them for $50 and you have a point. Check the price paid. Would you order a brand new high end car from a dealership, and then when it's been delivered see a nice scratch along the side just shrug and be fine with it? You know since it's only cosmetic and functions fine. When people pay money for a premium product they deserve one. No excuses.
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:10:32 AM EDT
[#44]
I believe a lower is a lower so long as its in spec and I have no problems with blems.
That said, if they want to maintain their rep as tier 1, then they should not be selling blems, chainsaws, 2nds whatever they want to call them. You make a $350 receiver right or it goes in the scrap bin. Don't try to recoup losses on a 2nd rate finish, even by selling them at a reduced cost, doing so will only lower expectations. This is the result. I've read were Lamborghini scraps like 3 or 4 hoods to make one that meets its expectations and they do not try to recoup costs by selling those parts at a reduced rate. No scratch and dent sales, they are either right or they go to the chop saw. That's how tier 1 companies maintain their rep. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:10:45 AM EDT
[#45]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Got ya. Now that you say that, I can see what a complete rip off that piece of shit lower was. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Folks are paying top dollar for Gen II non-chainsaw lowers and they are showing up with issues galore... Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t649/mdwstddm4/df/IMG_0957_zps53a7be24.jpg But that was Noveske's claim to fame... PRISTINE finishes on their products. That lower should've been sold as a chainsaw. All of the blem PSA lowers I have built around look better than that Noveske. Got ya. Now that you say that, I can see what a complete rip off that piece of shit lower was.  That's fucked up, does it matter? [shrug] |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:13:56 AM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Seriously. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: There is nothing wrong with those lowers besides minor cosmetic imperfections. Kids these days. They paid MUCH more to get a perfect lower. Sell them for $50 and you have a point. Check the price paid. Would you order a brand new high end car from a dealership, and then when it's been delivered see a nice scratch along the side just shrug and be fine with it? You know since it's only cosmetic and functions fine. When people pay money for a premium product they deserve one. No excuses. My truck blue books at $ 13k. If you were going to buy it would you pay me $ 13k if the passenger door had a big dent in it where someone kicked the door? It hauls the same amount of weight, goes just as fast, and no one is buying a truck for use as a limo so a cosmetic blemish is meaningless from a practical standpoint |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:14:47 AM EDT
[#47]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
You sound like Hillary Clinton with all your "What difference does it make?" talk
The point is we were sold "Grade A" lowers not Chainsaws. Yeah I like my rifles to look pretty and have a cool rollmark, so what? I also like my tools to look pretty as well. The marks they end up with after use should happen as a result of my doing, not the manufacturer. Why is this concept so hard for some people to grasp? Oh I get it. You are upset. You have been greatly wronged and you want justice. Either return it or cry about it on the internet.... |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:15:00 AM EDT
[#48]
Freakin BANDSAW Time stinkin wussies!
|
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:15:23 AM EDT
[#49]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://i1297.photobucket.com/albums/ag26/xxsleepinclassxx/photo1_zps6eb84862.jpg That's fucked up, does it matter? [shrug] Quote HistoryQuoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Quoted:
Folks are paying top dollar for Gen II non-chainsaw lowers and they are showing up with issues galore... Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t649/mdwstddm4/df/IMG_0957_zps53a7be24.jpg But that was Noveske's claim to fame... PRISTINE finishes on their products. That lower should've been sold as a chainsaw. All of the blem PSA lowers I have built around look better than that Noveske. Got ya. Now that you say that, I can see what a complete rip off that piece of shit lower was. That's fucked up, does it matter? [shrug] Yes it does. |
|
|
|
Posted: 4/9/2014 8:16:13 AM EDT
[#50]
Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Folks are paying top dollar for Gen II non-chainsaw lowers and they are showing up with issues galore... Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME? http://i1318.photobucket.com/albums/t649/mdwstddm4/df/IMG_0957_zps53a7be24.jpg But that was Noveske's claim to fame... PRISTINE finishes on their products. That lower should've been sold as a chainsaw. All of the blem PSA lowers I have built around look better than that Noveske. Got ya. Now that you say that, I can see what a complete rip off that piece of shit lower was. That's fucked up, does it matter? [shrug] |
|
|
AR15.COM is the world's largest firearm community and is a gathering place for firearm enthusiasts of all types.
From hunters and military members, to competition shooters and general firearm enthusiasts, we welcome anyone who values and respects the way of the firearm.
Subscribe to our monthly Newsletter to receive firearm news, product discounts from your favorite Industry Partners, and more.
Copyright © 1996-2024 AR15.COM LLC. All Rights Reserved.
Any use of this content without express written consent is prohibited.
AR15.Com reserves the right to overwrite or replace any affiliate, commercial, or monetizable links, posted by users, with our own.
