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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:10:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:10:21 PM EDT
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I'm not reading all 13 pages. Just tell me if it can take off from the goddamn treadmill or not. Taking off from a treadmill is the easy part. Landing on a treadmill is hard. Seriously. If you get some whacked out wheelspeed - airspeed mismatch, you could be in a very bizarre part of the braking software controls. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:13:58 PM EDT
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The Tomcat for it's time was good for what it was designed to do, but the swept wing was a liability and no upgrade in avionics was going to change that. This is an interesting claim. Why was swept-wing a liability? Because, you sacrifice weight and performance for complex internal mechanisms in order to achieve added lift on take off, then gain aerodynamics and speed, at a loss of maneuverability. Swept wings were all the rage in the 1960's and now they aren't even a serious consideration vs. newer wing designs. Almost all swept wing designs are completely gone expect for the B-1B and it demonstrates the concept perfectly, needing the added lift on take off with a heavy bomb and fuel load, then going fast with little maneuvering at speed. For fighters it's not a good trade off vs.wings like the F-15 has. Unfortunately, without swing-wing you get suboptimal swept wing angles. Either you are configured for low speed handling for recovery or you are configured for high speed. You don't get both. Flaps and slats close the performance gap enough to not make vg wings worth while. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:14:11 PM EDT
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Salmon, for the mach 1 under 10k bullshit your spewing....guess when I was in the gulf we didn't witness 2 hornets going Mach 1 doing a flyby my ship to boost our morale??? Go back to school and keep your mouth shut and learn something useful. ETA: We heard the sonic boom way after they flew past us. Just curious...were they fully loaded for a mission? Missiles, bombs, drop fuel tanks...stuff like that - or did they just zip by nice and clean so the crew would get pumped up by the loud "booms" ? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:16:31 PM EDT
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Salmon, for the mach 1 under 10k bullshit your spewing....guess when I was in the gulf we didn't witness 2 hornets going Mach 1 doing a flyby my ship to boost our morale??? Go back to school and keep your mouth shut and learn something useful. ETA: We heard the sonic boom way after they flew past us. Just curious...were they fully loaded for a mission? Missiles, bombs, drop fuel tanks...stuff like that - or did they just zip by nice and clean so the crew would get pumped up by the loud "booms" ? And was it a level acceleration or did the Hornets trade altitude for airspeed? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:35:16 PM EDT
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Now granted, the binary communication message at 508.123 THz between an F-14 engaged in a negative 4g dive with a MiG-28 was, until now, something that had never been officially made public. But, you'll never get the government to acknowledge the fact. So, the secret is still safe. Were they... inverted? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:43:26 PM EDT
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Taking off from a treadmill is the easy part. Landing on a treadmill is hard. Seriously. If you get some whacked out wheelspeed - airspeed mismatch, you could be in a very bizarre part of the braking software controls. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not reading all 13 pages. Just tell me if it can take off from the goddamn treadmill or not. Taking off from a treadmill is the easy part. Landing on a treadmill is hard. Seriously. If you get some whacked out wheelspeed - airspeed mismatch, you could be in a very bizarre part of the braking software controls. Add capability to any laser targeting pod on the airplane to measure the direction and speed of the treadmill before the landing. Then spin the wheels up to match speed. Simple. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:45:52 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Add capability to any laser targeting pod on the airplane to measure the direction and speed of the treadmill before the landing. Then spin the wheels up to match speed. Simple. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I'm not reading all 13 pages. Just tell me if it can take off from the goddamn treadmill or not. Taking off from a treadmill is the easy part. Landing on a treadmill is hard. Seriously. If you get some whacked out wheelspeed - airspeed mismatch, you could be in a very bizarre part of the braking software controls. Add capability to any laser targeting pod on the airplane to measure the direction and speed of the treadmill before the landing. Then spin the wheels up to match speed. Simple. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:46:45 PM EDT
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Holy shit you guys are easy to troll. We now have input from the Dutch Navy. Dutch marines don't need AAAV/EFV. Wooden shoes mean they can walk ashore This is why the Dutch and Germans have always been allies. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:48:18 PM EDT
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In a past life, I was told that engineers were often the best targets for such things, as their egos-based need to defend their programs made them quick to cite the very stats and figures certain other groups were often ultimately trying to find / verify. Give them something to correct, or defend, then sit back and watch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Wow. Reading this thread is like a "how to" of elicitation techniques and a "how not to" of responding - as if Primorsky 2.0 was just launched into service. Be careful, gents, your audience is the world. We have sock puppets and industrial espionage trolls in a few GD threads. In a past life, I was told that engineers were often the best targets for such things, as their egos-based need to defend their programs made them quick to cite the very stats and figures certain other groups were often ultimately trying to find / verify. Give them something to correct, or defend, then sit back and watch. Anyone looking over ARFCOM would find it to be a pretty good target for that. Good mix of defense industry engineers/military to harvest info from in these threads. Make a troll thread and sit back and watch, make a few guiding replies based on what you want and collect the info you want. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:52:44 PM EDT
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I'm sure a lot of people in the know are aware, but with all the "funny" accounts lately, it might be a good time for another refresher. Long link PDF file. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CEYQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffiswg.research.ucf.edu%2FDocuments%2FPPT%2FF22%2520OPSEC%2520brief%2520(unclass)%2520Feb%252008%5B1%5D.ppt&ei=V38gVNqWDcypogS8qYGoCQ&usg=AFQjCNHzjY9MUQxi1vWNanl6jSaQ07ROrg&sig2=oPzbvqGFJxcn30dG1dLwsw&bvm=bv.75775273,d.cGU&cad=rja Good Brief. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:54:52 PM EDT
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Taking off from a treadmill is the easy part. Landing on a treadmill is hard. Seriously. If you get some whacked out wheelspeed - airspeed mismatch, you could be in a very bizarre part of the braking software controls. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not reading all 13 pages. Just tell me if it can take off from the goddamn treadmill or not. Taking off from a treadmill is the easy part. Landing on a treadmill is hard. Seriously. If you get some whacked out wheelspeed - airspeed mismatch, you could be in a very bizarre part of the braking software controls. I thought that was the whole point of the F-35B program? To solve the treadmill landing question once and for all! |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 4:57:42 PM EDT
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We once convinced one of our LT Maintenance Officers that the AMAD provided drive to the MLG wheels via a chain that ran inside the strut. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not reading all 13 pages. Just tell me if it can take off from the goddamn treadmill or not. Taking off from a treadmill is the easy part. Landing on a treadmill is hard. Seriously. If you get some whacked out wheelspeed - airspeed mismatch, you could be in a very bizarre part of the braking software controls. Add capability to any laser targeting pod on the airplane to measure the direction and speed of the treadmill before the landing. Then spin the wheels up to match speed. Simple. YES! LOL... 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:02:07 PM EDT
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I'm sure a lot of people in the know are aware, but with all the "funny" accounts lately, it might be a good time for another refresher. Long link PDF file. http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=8&ved=0CEYQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Ffiswg.research.ucf.edu%2FDocuments%2FPPT%2FF22%2520OPSEC%2520brief%2520(unclass)%2520Feb%252008%5B1%5D.ppt&ei=V38gVNqWDcypogS8qYGoCQ&usg=AFQjCNHzjY9MUQxi1vWNanl6jSaQ07ROrg&sig2=oPzbvqGFJxcn30dG1dLwsw&bvm=bv.75775273,d.cGU&cad=rja Good Brief. Wow, that was some excellent troll account documentation. 
I might need to take some inspiration and renovate my Troll List thread in the pit in honor of our new russian troll crop maturing.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:05:17 PM EDT
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Add capability to any laser targeting pod on the airplane to measure the direction and speed of the treadmill before the landing. Then spin the wheels up to match speed. Simple. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not reading all 13 pages. Just tell me if it can take off from the goddamn treadmill or not. Taking off from a treadmill is the easy part. Landing on a treadmill is hard. Seriously. If you get some whacked out wheelspeed - airspeed mismatch, you could be in a very bizarre part of the braking software controls. Add capability to any laser targeting pod on the airplane to measure the direction and speed of the treadmill before the landing. Then spin the wheels up to match speed. Simple. I hate you. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:52:28 PM EDT
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The dutch have that bad ass absalon frigate. read about that shit in proceedings. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy shit you guys are easy to troll. We now have input from the Dutch Navy. The dutch have that bad ass absalon frigate. read about that shit in proceedings. Truth |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 5:53:37 PM EDT
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This is why the Dutch and Germans have always been allies. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy shit you guys are easy to troll. We now have input from the Dutch Navy. Dutch marines don't need AAAV/EFV. Wooden shoes mean they can walk ashore This is why the Dutch and Germans have always been allies. Also, we can ride Polar Bears, which are ambiphious and can be used both for land and seaborne assaults. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:04:12 PM EDT
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The fuck are you doing, changing your avatar?
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:05:57 PM EDT
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My universe is now askew.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:41:28 PM EDT
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We once convinced one of our LT Maintenance Officers that the AMAD provided drive to the MLG wheels via a chain that ran inside the strut.   
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Posted: 9/22/2014 6:46:07 PM EDT
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We once convinced one of our LT Maintenance Officers that the AMAD provided drive to the MLG wheels via a chain that ran inside the strut. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm not reading all 13 pages. Just tell me if it can take off from the goddamn treadmill or not. Taking off from a treadmill is the easy part. Landing on a treadmill is hard. Seriously. If you get some whacked out wheelspeed - airspeed mismatch, you could be in a very bizarre part of the braking software controls. Add capability to any laser targeting pod on the airplane to measure the direction and speed of the treadmill before the landing. Then spin the wheels up to match speed. Simple. I need that face palm pitcher. I hope they went to the airplane to see if they could figure out how the motion was transmitted through the trunnion; maybe there's a hydraulic motor buried inside there. We had a young 2nd Lt. as our boss for a very short while in the shop at Langley. He walked into the morning meeting one day just in time to hear someone ask the rest, "whose turn is it to wash behind Lt. Noob's ears today?" He didn't say anything, but there were a few seconds of awkward silence. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 8:07:40 PM EDT
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I need that face palm pitcher. I hope they went to the airplane to see if they could figure out how the motion was transmitted through the trunnion; maybe there's a hydraulic motor buried inside there. We had a young 2nd Lt. as our boss for a very short while in the shop at Langley. He walked into the morning meeting one day just in time to hear someone ask the rest, "whose turn is it to wash behind Lt. Noob's ears today?" He didn't say anything, but there were a few seconds of awkward silence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We once convinced one of our LT Maintenance Officers that the AMAD provided drive to the MLG wheels via a chain that ran inside the strut. I need that face palm pitcher. I hope they went to the airplane to see if they could figure out how the motion was transmitted through the trunnion; maybe there's a hydraulic motor buried inside there. We had a young 2nd Lt. as our boss for a very short while in the shop at Langley. He walked into the morning meeting one day just in time to hear someone ask the rest, "whose turn is it to wash behind Lt. Noob's ears today?" He didn't say anything, but there were a few seconds of awkward silence. Aw, come on. Everyone knows the D in AMAD stands for drive.  Its just too bad they disabled the wheel drive along with limited duty. No more JFS taxing anymore. Must have been the same bastards that disabled the -60 self propulsion.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 8:30:57 PM EDT
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How long ago was that and where were you operating? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That's strange...every cruise I was on we were flying 1+45 in -18Cs.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile How long ago was that and where were you operating? 2010 and that's classified. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 8:32:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2014 8:37:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Aw, come on. Everyone knows the D in AMAD stands for drive. Its just too bad they disabled the wheel drive along with limited duty. No more JFS taxing anymore. Must have been the same bastards that disabled the -60 self propulsion.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We once convinced one of our LT Maintenance Officers that the AMAD provided drive to the MLG wheels via a chain that ran inside the strut. I need that face palm pitcher. I hope they went to the airplane to see if they could figure out how the motion was transmitted through the trunnion; maybe there's a hydraulic motor buried inside there. We had a young 2nd Lt. as our boss for a very short while in the shop at Langley. He walked into the morning meeting one day just in time to hear someone ask the rest, "whose turn is it to wash behind Lt. Noob's ears today?" He didn't say anything, but there were a few seconds of awkward silence. Aw, come on. Everyone knows the D in AMAD stands for drive. Its just too bad they disabled the wheel drive along with limited duty. No more JFS taxing anymore. Must have been the same bastards that disabled the -60 self propulsion. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 8:51:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryNot funny. The pilot was my old DivO. He used up a lot of luck keeping that out of the school on the other side of the parking lot. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 8:54:44 PM EDT
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Not funny. The pilot was my old DivO. He used up a lot of luck keeping that out of the school on the other side of the parking lot. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
Not funny. The pilot was my old DivO. He used up a lot of luck keeping that out of the school on the other side of the parking lot. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No doubt.  Double engine failure I think, correct?
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:12:47 PM EDT
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That's strange...every cruise I was on we were flying 1+45 in -18Cs.... Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile How long ago was that and where were you operating? 2010 and that's classified. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile M 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:25:04 PM EDT
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Engineers, and especially engineering students, should just STFU until they've actually built and used the shit they are designing. Sure. I'll give it a go. Of course, I'm not a trained reactor operator, but what's the worst that could happen?
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:46:48 PM EDT
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No doubt. Double engine failure I think, correct?
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Not funny. The pilot was my old DivO. He used up a lot of luck keeping that out of the school on the other side of the parking lot. No doubt. Double engine failure I think, correct?
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Posted: 9/22/2014 9:53:44 PM EDT
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There is one poster on this forum who identifies himself/herself as an Intelligence Specialist Second Class in the United States Navy. Not the best move in personal security. Any idiot in Intel who thinks that their job title should be classified or kept secret is just trying to convince themselves they are far more important than they really are. With several major breaches of the sipr system in the last decade and jwics under constant attack most personnel list have been leaked for years. On top of that with the navy printing advancement list by rate and name it is a quick reverse search to find anyone's full information. Not sure why the random mentioning of me in an unrelated thread, but maybe you should think of what persec actually is, not what the mall ninjas tell you it is. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 10:07:48 PM EDT
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Gonna direct this at the OP;
Salmonid, your Profs have failed you, or else you were not paying attention when they told you one important thing. You question how the Hornet can do things when your math tells you it's impossible; the problem is you were not listening when the prof told the class that those formulae are only a baseline. The information you are learning...is just to give you a foundation, the basics on which to build. Experience and experimentation will further your education, BUT...the real learning will only begin once you are doing production design work in the real world. Something you should remember being told at some point in time in the last 3 years was the importance of PROTOTYPING, something ALL manufacturers do to find out if there are flaws in their designs, since the math and theories only give them a starting point. Every aircraft in the inventory was prototyped, spindled, folded, and mutilated to a fare-thee-well BEFORE they went into production. What rolled off the assembly lines was a far cry from the first prototype...and designs continue to evolve as they mature. The F/A-18A of 1983 bears only a superficial resemblance to the F/A-18C in use today; as a matter of fact, most of the parts aren't even interchangeable. Think about that before you continue to dismiss the input of those of us who have spent decades working in the field that you have to date only read about. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 10:17:18 PM EDT
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This thread has been really interesting despite the original intent. I've learned more about the F-18 than I ever knew before. There's a good doc on youtube that I checked out.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 10:37:28 PM EDT
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Dude, did you just imbed the Youtube video, and post the hyperlink for iPad users?
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:19:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And was it a level acceleration or did the Hornets trade altitude for airspeed? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Salmon, for the mach 1 under 10k bullshit your spewing....guess when I was in the gulf we didn't witness 2 hornets going Mach 1 doing a flyby my ship to boost our morale??? Go back to school and keep your mouth shut and learn something useful. ETA: We heard the sonic boom way after they flew past us. Just curious...were they fully loaded for a mission? Missiles, bombs, drop fuel tanks...stuff like that - or did they just zip by nice and clean so the crew would get pumped up by the loud "booms" ? And was it a level acceleration or did the Hornets trade altitude for airspeed? |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:24:11 PM EDT
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The Tomcat for it's time was good for what it was designed to do, but the swept wing was a liability and no upgrade in avionics was going to change that. This is an interesting claim. Why was swept-wing a liability? Because with it out the speed had to be too high to make a tight turn, and when it was moving it was very G limited, and when it was out it had one good turn to piss away all the knots. it was physically unable to hit the merge at blow through speed and then decide to enter a turning fight. The wing prevented it from a solid transition to a dog fight. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:25:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Dude, did you just imbed the Youtube video, and post the hyperlink for iPad users? Very courteous. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:27:00 PM EDT
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Add capability to any laser targeting pod on the airplane to measure the direction and speed of the treadmill before the landing. Then spin the wheels up to match speed. Simple. I want to see the contraption you came up with to do this.
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:29:21 PM EDT
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Are we talking WVR or BVR? Curious, were you able to fight any baby Hornets after the new FCS software came out? That was a game changer for BFM. BVR, APG-79 def gives the Superhornet some nice capability. The Superhornet can be optimized for A2A, that will n my opinion puts it at a level with your average F-15C, but it rare to do that, because as you said, the main mission is multi-role. Also, the average F-15C pilot, A2A is all they do so they get damn good at it. At least with Eagles, you get to fight, when fighting Raptors, it can be "Fights on, Showrime flight, you're dead". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Having fought against them often, I can tell you, The F18 is a very formidable weapons system and the OP is clueless. ( not the op of the pit thread, the OP of the douche nozzle thread) But you knew that already. So would you rather be in an APG-79 SuperHornet or an APG-63 Eagle fighting the other... The Eagle hands down. But the Eagle, with the AGG-63v3 , is optimized for A2A, the Hornet, even if they fixed the problems with the APG-79, is still optimized as a multi-role fighter. Either way, I would still rather go up against the best the Russians have instead of the Hornet if playing for keeps. Are we talking WVR or BVR? Curious, were you able to fight any baby Hornets after the new FCS software came out? That was a game changer for BFM. BVR, APG-79 def gives the Superhornet some nice capability. The Superhornet can be optimized for A2A, that will n my opinion puts it at a level with your average F-15C, but it rare to do that, because as you said, the main mission is multi-role. Also, the average F-15C pilot, A2A is all they do so they get damn good at it. At least with Eagles, you get to fight, when fighting Raptors, it can be "Fights on, Showrime flight, you're dead". I dont know. We stopped looking at each others tapes and WEZs because it became classified to the community. I don't think so. I got out in 1999. And like you said, when all you do is A2A you tend to get very good at it. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:31:41 PM EDT
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Because with it out the speed had to be too high to make a tight turn, and when it was moving it was very G limited, and when it was out it had one good turn to piss away all the knots. it was physically unable to hit the merge at blow through speed and then decide to enter a turning fight. The wing prevented it from a solid transition to a dog fight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:37:20 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:46:45 PM EDT
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And we still don't have a replacement for the A-6 or F-14 Sure we do, the Super Hornet Can the Super Hornet fly a double cycle CAP at 200NM out without refuelling and have enough fuel for an intercept? It's got half the range of the A-6 with the same ordnance capacity. Do you believe the the Navy made a mistake in cancelling the A-6(F?) program? The A-6F would have been a supersonic pile of shit, just like the A-6 and the EA-6B. We don't need a replacement for the F-14 or the A-6. We need a replacement for the F-18 and the F-35. Precision weapons are cool - but with our current adversaries, we need bomb trucks. Large payloads. And loiter time. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:46:51 PM EDT
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F-14A TF30 engined pile of shit launching a Phoenix missile. Not even apples to oranges, more like apples to cow shit. While I agree the F-18 is better now, that pic isn't an A model.... You're right, it's either an A+ or B. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:48:32 PM EDT
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Wrong dumb-ass, that is not the F14A with TF30 engines. Try GE F110 engines. Try educating yourself before you broadcast your stupidity again. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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F-14A TF30 engined pile of shit launching a Phoenix missile. Not even apples to oranges, more like apples to cow shit. Wrong dumb-ass, that is not the F14A with TF30 engines. Try GE F110 engines. Try educating yourself before you broadcast your stupidity again. Already corrected myself. Thanks for the CoC violation though. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:52:52 PM EDT
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Only because we foolishly never went with the A-7F Strikefighter concept
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I'm way late to this thread, but one of the OPs entering arguments is way off. The FA -18 didn't replace the F-14, it replaced the A-7. The Legacy Hornet actually replaced F-4, A-7, and an a few A-6 Intruder in Navy and USMC squadrons. The only Navy F-4 Squadrons it replaced were VF-151 and 161. The only Navy A-6 Intruder replaced was VA-34. The only F-14 squadron to go to Hornets was VF-201, which was a Reserve Squadron. All the rest were A-7 squadrons. Only because we foolishly never went with the A-7F Strikefighter concept
http://i60.tinypic.com/x5w1aa.jpg The A-7F would have kicked ass. Sadly, Vought is located in the wrong congressional district. |
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:57:09 PM EDT
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Precision weapons are cool - but with our current adversaries, we need bomb trucks. Large payloads. And loiter time. You want a bomb truck with loiter time. 
You want a Naval bomb truck with loiter time? 
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Posted: 9/22/2014 11:58:11 PM EDT
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The A-7F would have kicked ass. Sadly, Vought is located in the wrong congressional district. The A-7 was a pile of shit. The A-7F would have been a supersonic pile of shit.
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Posted: 9/23/2014 12:38:47 AM EDT
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The A-7 was a pile of shit. The A-7F would have been a supersonic pile of shit.
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The A-7F would have kicked ass. Sadly, Vought is located in the wrong congressional district. The A-7 was a pile of shit. The A-7F would have been a supersonic pile of shit.
We've got a member who is a former SLUF driver and he'd disagree with that......... |
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Posted: 9/23/2014 1:27:09 AM EDT
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I came back because I thought my last post may have been a little harsh but damn, I don't even feel bad. OP is just that kind of guy. He makes me feel good for being a complete ass. Wow. It looks like he even went AWOL from his PIT thread.
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