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That is what I was thinking, whenever I see pics of Tangos in the sandbox they alwasy seem to have tokarev pistols, same caliber........ I know my 52 punches through all sorts of fun stuff, with steel core, not sure how it does with lead though, haven't bought any yet |
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Great thread!!! It looked like all the handgun rounds were similar. I mean....they are just handguns. Like what I was trained to do, use your handgun to get to your rifle All in all the test was very informative especially the rifle rounds. Im just wondering what a 12gauge rifled slug would do on a person wearing armor? I read a story about a few people, cops and robbers, taking full on torso hits from slugs in the armor and remaining on their feet and staying in the fight. Great test though. Thankyou for sharing.
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Another great post Old_Painless
On a side note, have you considered getting a kiln and selling "Gun Art" I could use one of them there M-193. ashtrays GM |
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I notice that both this and the earlier armor test did not make the box 'o truth website yet. Will they make the site and if not, can someone provide the box o'truth links that did not make the website. I'd like to show someone some of these.
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My site manager, tallbill, had to retire. I have a new site manager and he will be bringing the site up-to-speed as soon as he can. We are way behind in posting on the site. We have about 8 threads that are not there yet. Check back soon. |
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I disagree. Your average 2-bit home invader will likely never have body armor. And, if he does, it likely won't be something like III-A, either. Shotgun is still a VERY good choice for homedefence. I have alternating 00 Buck and Rifled slug in mine. |
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Fantastic!
P.S. Mmm... needs more 5.7x28. P.P.S. I bet that guy who wanted you arrested for shooting holes in plexiglas is really pissed now. |
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thanks OP. great job.
That there is a good sig line. |
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Maybe you could try .22LR, 22Mag, & 30 Carbine from rifle sometime against that armor?
Oh, and .17HRM, 22mag, 5.7, and 30 carbine from a handgun too... |
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Yes please. A Sheriff on a different board tested a 52 out on some IIIA and all of the various rounds of it punched clean through. However it was not clay backed. I would really like to see the 7.62x25 tested as per your method. |
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Great stuff!
Yeah, a CZ-52 would be fun. Shotgun slugs "typically" don't make it through IIIA. While they've got a lot more mass, their frontal area is over 10 times the .223 and roughly 1/3-1/2 the velocity. Maybe in 6 months the clay can be replaced with jelly to test ballistics on Santa! |
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With used police vests selling for $40 at gunshows, and used PASGT vests selling for even less, are you willing to take that chance? |
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very nice. My partner and IO have tried some experiments of our own. The guys here saidto check your stuff out. I must say I am very impressed with the amount of thought and preperation that went into all this.
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It's not like I'm breaking a "Top Secret Clearence", or something. Information like this is available on the internet for anyone to read, if they are willing to dig it up. It's everywhere. It ain't no secret. |
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It would hold a bunch of butts. |
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Many thanks. I have generated a lot of critisizm from some people who find fault in nearly everything I do. I never said that I was Underwriters Labratories. But I do try to make the tests as accurate as possible. I enjoy them. A lot of my friends at AR15.com seem to enjoy them. So, I will continue to do them. And besides, shooting stuff is fun. |
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YES INDEED! |
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To "toot" the photographer's horn a bit ( most people seem to take the action shoots for granted ).
The question- A number of people have emailed and asked how we make the trick shots. If we take multiple shoots or have high tech equipment to get the clips in the air, pistol actions opening, brass in flight, slugs hitting the Kelvar etc. The facts: We only do one shot on each test. No retakes for photos. No high tech equipment. We count to "zero" and press the shutter as O_P shoots. The secret- A bit of luck, 100 years of combined shooting experience and 30 years of shooting together. Kinda like an old married couple ! |
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Absolutely. Cite me one instance of a burglar wearing a vest during an attack and I'll gladly cite 50, 100, or probably even 200 instances were they did NOT wear them. Also, I'd like to see an intruder bust into my home with a 20-30 year old police vest he got along with his Hipoint. After my rifled slug (and perhaps even 00 buck) penetrate the vest and kill him, I'll laugh. |
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Only you can do an accurate threat assessment for your house/lifestyle. My wife and I are both cops. For the last 20 months I have specifically worked bank robbery crews and methamphetamine trafficers in the southern California. If someone comes gunning for me they are much more likely to be wearing body armor than the neighbor kid looking to steal your Xbox. |
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Once again O_P, you've blown me away with an awesome post. It's a pleasure to see your name on a thread title. Thank you very much.
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The universal truth from all these threads is, to me, the same: Getting shot, regardless of caliber, armor, clothing, whatever, hurts like a bit**!!
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Another excellent post buddy. One thing I've learned from these is it may stop the round but damn I still wouldn't want to be wearing it when it was shot.
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This one just takes the cake, Old_Painless!
PLEASE tell me you'll put this on your (awesome) website! |
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Very nice work.
Remind me to send you some "bulletproof" glass next time I have access to it. |
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Yes, and he will argue about it till the end of time too. Maybe unarmored two-bit invaders are more than I will ever see, but since I use my M4gery as the big-boy HD weapon, I just won't concern myself with that aspect. If they have Level IV then I'm screwed anyway and I've done all I can do minus a 50 BMG. |
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Thanks OP for the great work. I really enjoy learning from your tests.
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Me and you both. I have been surprised at the amount of "clay displacement". I would never have thought it would be so severe. |
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Great work, but where's the Uber gun, the FN 5.7? It would be interesting so see how that fared. Also, +1 for the 7.62x25...you hear so much about what it can and cant' do.
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As I mentioned before, I have a new site manager who is getting everything up-to-speed. Check there in a few days. (Hopefully ) www.theboxotruth.com/ |
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Glad you two have your 'timing' right! It sure does 'suck' when your partner 'shoots' too early... Thanks again, OP and Tman! |
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Yeah, that dent in the clay is what would go through to your spine. Ouch! |
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