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Posted: 2/27/2017 4:46:08 PM EDT
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The Feds can de-schedule it without Congress. Technically the power rests with the Attorney General. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 4:46:23 PM EDT
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Well I'm a taxpayer and I pay my taxes to protect my family from shit stain We had the same arguments almost a century ago. How'd that work out for us again? Oh yeah, violence in the streets, an erosion of citizens' rights in the name of public safety, criminal organizations making money hand over fist to supply a demand amongst otherwise law-abiding citizens, corruption among government officials, and an overall lack of John Q. Public's respect for law and order. Thank the Maker we learned our lesson. We won't make that mistake again. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 4:49:33 PM EDT
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The federal government needs to get out the schools, transgender bathrooms, pot, and abortions. Those are state rights issues.
If you look at the national politicians they split voters with these issues. "the Republican candidate for governor is anti-abortion" - who the hell cares the federal government usurped the issue decades ago. The few powers enumerated for the federal government would destroy the liberals if that's all we focused on - immigration and the military are two big ones the majority of Americans disagree with the liberal party on. The other things - the true state issues - are what attract the liberals to the democrat party. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 4:51:43 PM EDT
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When you can easily get drugs inside of a super max prison, how would you ever stop drug use in this country?
If the AG does have control of re-scheduling he should step up and re-schedule CBD oils. Would be another good Fuck You to the Obama admin and it helps children...how can GD hate that? |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 4:52:49 PM EDT
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I commented in another thread about Mexico that if Trump legalized marijuana, but only if grown in the US would have huge tax benefits for the US and huge monetary losses for Mexico. That would be another win for MAGA while giving Mexico a FU. Haha love it |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 4:53:59 PM EDT
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And it is irrelevant to this discussion anyways. The potential for tax evasion should not even be considered when determining whether or not something should be legal. First off, commerce doesn't exist for the purpose of generating tax revenue. Second off, any goods that can be sold under the table could also be made illegal using this argument. Third, you are going to get far greater tax compliance from legal dispensaries with something to lose than you could ever dream of getting from a drug cartel. It's a completely ridiculous argument. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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These are all cash businesses correct? Probably quite a bit of federal tax evasion going on as well. Many would absolutely love to be able to take cards but the banks can't/won't do business with them. You would be surprised at the level of sophistication that goes into tracking it from seed to sale here in WA. Any cannabis that was grown legally cannot just simply disappear, they will want to know where it went and if you would like to keep your license and facility running you better have an answer. And it is irrelevant to this discussion anyways. The potential for tax evasion should not even be considered when determining whether or not something should be legal. First off, commerce doesn't exist for the purpose of generating tax revenue. Second off, any goods that can be sold under the table could also be made illegal using this argument. Third, you are going to get far greater tax compliance from legal dispensaries with something to lose than you could ever dream of getting from a drug cartel. It's a completely ridiculous argument. I think you missed his point. It wasn't about taxation, but rather about accountability. Both Washington and Oregon had to work with the feds when setting up the regulations. One of the issues was making sure that it wouldn't become a conduit for cartels. The seed to sale accountability resolves that issue. Yes, there is taxation and part of the taxes are earmarked for enforcement, inspections, certification, and substance abuse programs. They even provide for small amounts for personal use to be grown without tracking as long as it's not for sale. Doesn't mean the black market doesn't exist, just makes it much less lucrative. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 4:59:52 PM EDT
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Marijuana should be governed by the states. Feds have bigger things to worry about. States are making a stance against an illegal substance but making once legal guns illegal and nobody gives a shit, fuck off smoke your shit and enjoy your stupid high. Losers 
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:02:25 PM EDT
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Just like the 2nd right? States are making a stance against an illegal substance but making once legal guns illegal and nobody gives a shit, fuck off smoke your shit and enjoy your stupid high. Losers Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Marijuana should be governed by the states. Feds have bigger things to worry about. States are making a stance against an illegal substance but making once legal guns illegal and nobody gives a shit, fuck off smoke your shit and enjoy your stupid high. Losers 
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:05:56 PM EDT
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Trump is wrong on this issue.
I'm still holding out hope that this is posturing. It wouldn't be at all unlike him to feint one direction, cause a shitstorm, then use the fallout as justification for something else. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:08:29 PM EDT
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Just like the 2nd right? States are making a stance against an illegal substance but making once legal guns illegal and nobody gives a shit, fuck off smoke your shit and enjoy your stupid high. Losers Us gun owners in CA give a shit, I assure you. A.W.D. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:09:22 PM EDT
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Trump is wrong on this issue. I'm still holding out hope that this is posturing. It wouldn't be at all unlike him to feint one direction, cause a shitstorm, then use the fallout as justification for something else. To the best of my knowledge, Trump hasn't personally said anything different from his states rights remarks. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:10:29 PM EDT
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These are all cash businesses correct? Probably quite a bit of federal tax evasion going on as well. In CO the suppliers are literally paying more than top dollar for warehouse space and then build actual vaults in them to house the money all the while hiring armed security. It is effecting my job (Transportation and warehousing) as it has driven warehouse and labor costs up through the roof. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:16:30 PM EDT
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Just like the 2nd right? States are making a stance against an illegal substance but making once legal guns illegal and nobody gives a shit, fuck off smoke your shit and enjoy your stupid high. Losers Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Marijuana should be governed by the states. Feds have bigger things to worry about. States are making a stance against an illegal substance but making once legal guns illegal and nobody gives a shit, fuck off smoke your shit and enjoy your stupid high. Losers Guns were specifically stated in the BoR as something necessary for the security of the nation. It is one of the (if not the) biggest piece of the foundation of the Republic. Marijuana is a plant that is used similar to alcohol and tobacco in recreational use, with alleged medical use. No where is it stated on any BoR, or any ammendment for that matter. Can you not see an argument that maybe it should be a state issue, especially if you look at the 10th ammendment (another foundational piece of the Republic). |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:17:43 PM EDT
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This really isn't about state rights, though, because as long as it's illegal according to the federal government, you can't hold certain jobs, you technically still can't buy a gun, and many employers are still within their rights for firing you for failing a piss test. But it's all about a state's rights. The federal Constitution, in fairness my copy is a couple hundred years old, says most clearly they have zero right given to them within it to regulate any sort of medicine or drugs within a state. None. If the states want the federal government to regulate medical issues and medicine then pass a motherf'ing amendment and make it so. You just don't get to start skipping running to second base because you decide in the middle of the game the team doesn't like second base. The rules are the rules, and the Constitution is the Constitution. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:23:21 PM EDT
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Personally, I don't care either way on this issue...but if your are driven to become politically active in order to gain access to a substance,to get high, your life must be fairly sad and empty. The Feds easing restrictions will make accessible to all |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:26:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:People have been getting high for Agreed but fixed that last clause for you. Stupid motherfukers that wrote the Constitution didn't even know that it made cannabis illegal. So for the first 140 years or so after the signing of the US Constitution the federal government somehow overlooked it's obligation, a very very important one considering the $40 billion give or take dollars we've spent on TWOD (every year), all forms of cannabis were legal. States had addressed the plant decades earlier but the federal government discovered their right to control it in the 1930s. Dopers are going to dope no matter how illegal you make it. Murderers are going to murder no matter how illegal you make it. Prohibition is a failure just as gun control fails to prevent gun crime. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:27:23 PM EDT
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Guns were specifically stated in the BoR as something necessary for the security of the nation. It is one of the (if not the) biggest piece of the foundation of the Republic. Marijuana is a plant that is used similar to alcohol and tobacco in recreational use, with alleged medical use. No where is it stated on any BoR, or any ammendment for that matter. Can you not see an argument that maybe it should be a state issue, especially if you look at the 10th ammendment (another foundational piece of the Republic). "10th Amendment? Never heard of it. Nut there's these thing we'd like to sell you called "the Supremacy" "Necessary" and "Commerce" clauses that are all the rage." ---SCOTUS |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:32:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:I think you're grossly overestimating the ratio of people who currently use pot vs the number that would if it were legal.
I sincerely doubt you would see more than a 10-15% increase in usage. The stuff is readily available everywhere and has been since the 70's. /agreed The recreational use of marijuana was made legal here two months ago and in the 60 days since I have not ONCE smelled pot smoke meaning the people who were already smoking dope are still smoking dope and they're not living near me or in my wide circle of friends. Medical cannabis has been legal here for like 20-years so those who wanted it paid the $50 or $100 and got a license. I am going to a rock concert tonight and fully expect their to be some legal smoking going on in the crowd outside. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:35:40 PM EDT
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Well I'm a taxpayer and I pay my taxes to protect my family from shit stain drug dealers, drug hustlers, etc. So far as I'm concerned the government hasn't met their quotas for some time. More in prison, deported or in the cemetery, I don't care so long as they never ever come close to my children.Those that object to that are clearly on the wrong side. I'm a tax payer as well. I'd rather not have my taxes go to useless endeavors The United States incarcerates more people per capita than any country in the world. Bastion of Freedom my aching ass. I value freedom for everyone above your children. It's YOUR responsibility to raise your children to not use substances you don't approve of. Good luck with that. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:35:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:18. Section 1. After one year from the ratification of this article the manufacture, sale, or transportation of intoxicating liquors within, the importation thereof into, or the exportation thereof from the United States and all the territory subject to the jurisdiction thereof for beverage purposes is hereby prohibited.
21. Section 1. The eighteenth article of amendment to the Constitution of the United States is hereby repealed. 
Yes, this is how it's done. See the federal government knows how to control the manufacture, sale, or transportation of drugs. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:39:36 PM EDT
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The shops in Oregon take cards. Only ballsy ones |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 5:52:53 PM EDT
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The shops in Oregon take cards. Only ballsy ones I've heard that one of the credit unions is doing business with the dispensaries, farmers, and labs. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 7:59:38 PM EDT
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I've heard that one of the credit unions is doing business with the dispensaries, farmers, and labs. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 8:18:32 PM EDT
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Either shut it down decisively or delist it as a federally controlled substance. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 8:48:49 PM EDT
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Either shut it down decisively or delist it as a federally controlled substance. Call it "The War on Drugs", and spend billions of taxpayer dollars on it. Imagine how that'll work out! Or decline to decriminalize it and encourage the cartels to use it as a funding source for hard drugs and human trafficking. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 8:50:37 PM EDT
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Now they care about states rights, freedom, and American jobs.
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Posted: 2/27/2017 8:54:35 PM EDT
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Marijuana should be governed by the states. Feds have bigger things to worry about. No it shouldn't. States have bigger things to worry about than who wants to catch a buzz. Stupidest shit ever. Get to work stimulating jobs and the economy 24/7, securing our futures, and quit peeping in people's bedroom windows, Morons.
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Posted: 2/27/2017 9:02:02 PM EDT
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I do not and have not used Marijuana. The idea we snatch your ass up and lock you in a steel cage over it is outrageous.
The man who pretends to be for federalism is going after Marijuana? Lol...how about control the border and deportation of illegal criminals. No, I have a better idea. Pander to a diminishing religious absolutism because they are in your age group. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 9:05:03 PM EDT
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Honest question - Which group in society is it that wants the MJ illegal?
Most the seniors were the Woodstock generation and likely don't give a fuck. I am 40 and while I am not a smoker I don't care nor does anyone I know seem to care. The younger folks seem to like it. I can't figure out why there is not more legalization going on than there already is. About the only serious downside to legalizing it I can see is possible more widespread use in public and people driving under the influence of it and how do you detect that. There is not a test like the BAC for alcohol is there? |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 9:12:05 PM EDT
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/agreed The recreational use of marijuana was made legal here two months ago and in the 60 days since I have not ONCE smelled pot smoke meaning the people who were already smoking dope are still smoking dope and they're not living near me or in my wide circle of friends. Medical cannabis has been legal here for like 20-years so those who wanted it paid the $50 or $100 and got a license. I am going to a rock concert tonight and fully expect their to be some legal smoking going on in the crowd outside. Legalize it and let's get the industry up and going to make money. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 9:15:50 PM EDT
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Huffpo fake news.
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Posted: 2/27/2017 9:17:16 PM EDT
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Honest question - Which group in society is it that wants the MJ illegal? Most the seniors were the Woodstock generation and likely don't give a fuck. I am 40 and while I am not a smoker I don't care nor does anyone I know seem to care. The younger folks seem to like it. I can't figure out why there is not more legalization going on than there already is. About the only serious downside to legalizing it I can see is possible more widespread use in public and people driving under the influence of it and how do you detect that. There is not a test like the BAC for alcohol is there? 60% of Americans say it should be, and that's from conservative leaning polling. http://www.cannabixtechnologies.com/thc-breathalyzer.html THC Breathalyzer in the works. |
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Posted: 2/27/2017 10:15:59 PM EDT
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Glad to hear that they're making inroads into accurate detection technology. My understanding is that it's basically a go-no go test now and not really a test for an intoxication level. That still doesn't change anything with regard to allowing impairment. Impaired is still impaired, regardless of the means. For those against personal responsibility, sorry, it's the person that does the deed, not the substance.
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