Don't be too hard on Russkibear.  At least he gives us informative threads, whether you agree with his analysis or not....and he doesn't pollute the board with politics.  Thanks for the thread OP.  Let's try to leave politics out of it and concentrate on the military stuff.

I NOT FUCKING CAUCASIAN!!!!

Touché

Apparently so.

Boom!

This thread needs more Twilight 2000 designs.

I have to admit USMCTanker, Bear's rebuttal was pretty much on point. I definitely thought you were reaching a bit when you claimed that the attempts at crew reduction were an admission of poor armor design. I think the argument that it is more a choice to favor strategic mobility and/or for other purposes (ammo, fuel, electronics, whatever), makes a lot more sense.

All that said Bear, this is all very nice in theory: but I think unfortunately Russia has a lot worse problems than tank design--if Russia wants to be around in 200 years, they need more babies, not more tanks. And that just hasn't been happening lately.

More Orthodox Slavic babies, their problem is they are getting too many Churka Muslim babies from the Caucus. Going to be a problem one day when Chechnya acts up again and you've got nearly a million Muslims and their sympathizers living in Moscow.

Also, I too like the Belorussian. I don't know why people have to talk shit to him. He never insults anybody, seems like a nice enough fella.

Works great on Boeing 777's???

 

Russian made primers?



 

So then it's a delayed boom?

Lol.

A two man tank crew is one of the stupidest ideas ever.  Trust me.  I was on a three man crew and that was terrible.

As I said in my very first post and as USMCTanker pointed out, the two man crew is going to be a big issue for running and performing maintenance on their tanks. If you have to shutdown an addition one or two tanks to have enough men to fix and maintain one tank, that cannot be a good thing.

"Quantity has a quality all of it's own". That phrase worked when Russia had more tanks than God. But here is the thing, Russia doesn't have quantity anymore, and it doesn't have quality either.


The USA has thousands of fully upgraded, first rate tanks. Russia probably only has a handful. If I remember right, Russia only had a few dozen tanks upgraded with tanks with gun stabilizers. It's really pathetic.


And just like with their new "Stealth Aircraft", it seems that Russia has relegated to just being an arms producer and seller. Where they make some new design, build a few for themselves and try to make money exporting a bunch.

Much LOLs.

Good. Then supplying Ukraine with weapons to kill non-legal combatants is good to go since there are no Russian troops in Ukraine. Look it up, Geneva convention allows this.

Those S-400 air defense systems are great for shooting down civilian airliners aren't they? I know the Dutch plane was a different system, that's not the point. The point is you do that and then lie about it. The US shot down an Iranian airliner during combat with Iran and we fessed up and paid the families.

Well you guys are so skilled you can do that with anything remember the Korean airliner in the 80,s ?

Listen, all Governments lie. Some do nothing but lie.

Accepting a Government's lies and crimes does not make you a Patriot. Putin has you confused on that.

You can still be a Russian Patriot and be proud of your Country but you must be willing to demand truth and openness from your Government.

America and Europe does not want to bring down Russia (we would have done that in the early 90's if that were the case).

We want a successful Russia because that means stability and BUSINESS for everybody.

Two of the Greatest Countries in the World today, Germany and Japan were America's great enemies in WWII. Now look that them Prosperous and FREE. They make their own decisions, have their own culture. Yes America has some sway over them due to the fact that we took over the defense thing to make sure they did not rearm. But they are free! Nazi Germany and Japan are now great Nations and Proud people. Most ofthe Nations that were under Russia after WWII want to be away from Russia. They've had enough of the bullshit and domination.

Sure we will have conflicts. Everybody does. But we mean you no ill will. After Communism fell America and Europe thought the War was over and we never gave you another thought.

You PowerMad and Paranoid leaders are telling you that we are out to destroy your culture. We in the West see many things in our Culture that are not right. and You can keep your culture as much as you wish WITHOUT being at War with the West.

Most of the perceived danger to your Culture from the West is from the Radical Leftist (Marxists) Revolutionaries that RUSSIA supported (or even created) to help weaken the West. Now you don't want that virus coming home huh? Good job idiots....

Your leaders are lying to you on every major issue and they will 'thow you under the bus' as soon as it suits them.

Hate America all you want but 99% of Americans don't even think about Russia. Yes, yes some of our Elites/Leaders are caught up in the 'Great Game' but not all of them and certainly not the people.We are busy with OUR lives, our families our jobs and such. And Russia is not under threat from Denmark, the Dutch, France, Poland and so on - How absurd!!!

None of the former Warsaw pact/Eastern Europe want to have anything to do with you!. And now the same with Western Europe!!! That is a lot of countries and people that are looking at you with shock and distrust and fear. That should speak VOLUMES to you! That's like your coworkers, neighbors and family ALL disliking you and ignoring you. And you see that as ALL their fault???? That's called Delusional!!!

Start by ingoring Putin and the Silivoki. Russia can be STRONG and PROUD without them. Reach out to your neighbors and do not threaten them. Russian citizens in Estonia, Donbass, Kazakhstan and else where are not in Mortal danger. If they were they could move a FEW kilometers and be back in the Russian Federation!

therusskibear - Be Proud, be Strong but don't be stupid.

Russia will never be a Great Nation until it learns to be a Good one first.

All for all the members that are happy he is posting here and want to avoid politics.....well I am happy he is here but you need to do some more reading. The situation in Russia is TOTAL PROPAGANDA on a War Footing against America and Europe. They have their people convinced we are trying to destroy them. Read Putin's speech from just two days ago!!!! This is not just 'blowhard BS' for the cameras this is serious talk (lies) We need to convince the Russian People that we mean them no harm and wish them well or we won't be talking about tanks but using them.

Russia is like a tweaker that sells his own cook.

Point of Order:

Comrade Putin admitted to Russian troops being used in Crimea and Russian troops are now stationed in occupied Crimea. Therefore, any claims of no Russian troops in Ukraine are patently false.

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You gotta love it when Neos are fighting for a gov run by two Jewish guys.

Not only that he admitted he don't have total control of Russia military forces. He also admitted he lost control of the Ukraine invasion. keep in mind, its all on video so no one misprinted what was said.
http://www.newsweek.com/ukraine-invasion-has-slipped-beyond-putins-control-316755
It would be interesting to see our next generation tank compare to the Russian in the coming year. One think is certain tho we have a faster fire rate due to it being manual load.
 

Russia's a pyromaniac pretending they're a fireman.

When you only have two dozen rounds in the turret, a slower firing rate is a feature, not a defect.  

Thats a sweet armor target

Armata's MBT estimated exterior

Where's the ammo rack?

One tank gets a gun the one behind it gets the ammo.
When the tank with gun gets killed the tank behind it will pick up the gun and keep advancing.

Or they just dig potatoes out of the permafrost.

A frozen spud can punch through reactive ammo at 5000 feet, or be distilled into glorious vodka to fuel engine and gunner.

Da, Da, Russian Army is best army.... <LOL>

Oh my God, you know what, comrade? Your answers are so pathetic that I'm going to treat you with kindness and just ignore you... Sure, special needs kid, spokesman for special needs army, Russia Army is #1...

Carousel autoloader located under the unmanned turret (supposedly) . Assumedly, there is an additional robotized ammunition stowage in the niche behind the turret (maybe as a separate optional module).

Sticking with the carousel loader huh? Good luck with that, it's been so successful over the last 40 years.

It will be amusing seeing all 7 of them blown up in Grozny when Putin's plan to inject more Islam into Chechnya backfires. Those chickens are certain to come home to roost and it'll provide some great Live Leak clips.

Deploying a fighting vehicle without enough people inside to even post a proper watch over it when it's stopped seems a little... optimistic.  

What did you think of Lukashenko saying the US needed to get involved in the peace process in Ukraine? It seemed that he was shunning Putin, or at least hedging his bets. I'm betting the Russian sanctions are hurting Belarus pretty hard by extension?

TL;DR

Could we get some Reaper guys to develop a small armour-piercing HARM's.  With every T-95 emitting, it would be raining shit on them in no time.

TC

Drone tanks need drones to reset drone tracks when they're thrown.

Drone tanks need drones to perform drone field maintenance.

ETA: I have an idea, Russians are cheaper than drones.  Let's use those instead.

I don't think they're in an arms race with us, or that they think they're in an arms race with us.

All they have to worry about are their immediate neighbors.   I mean, with Obama in office, would you worry about the US at all?

Yeah, I don't think Russia is interested in an arms race. They want to keep up enough to bully their neighbors and get some third world sales but they're smart enough to have learned their lesson in going dollar for dollar with us. Russia's biggest fear is being 'surrounded' by NATO or at least unfriendly US allies. If they can't have the Empire or SU back they at least want their neighbors to be neutral to pro-Russian. Their paranoia will not let them have "western" allies right on their borders. And 'Murica! aside, I can kinda understand their opinion.

It's not so much of an arms race as simple business. Lots of countries have Russian weapons. So just like Apple wants you to buy their iPhone 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, etc the Russians figure there is some money to be made off selling the latest and greatest to existing customers.

"Armata" (at least MBT built on it) will have three-man crew




All Armata-based vehicles will be prohibited for export. Russian MoD is only customer.

I remember playing Twilight 2000 back in the day; really good RPG.