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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:33:57 PM EDT
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Russia will do what is best for Russia.
China will do what is best for China. The US will do what? I believe its time for the US to get our house in order. I see interesting times in the next 5- 20 years. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:34:03 PM EDT
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"Pesident Vladimir Putin has already ordered government departments to cut their budgets by 5%, and more cuts could follow. Defense and national security has so far been spared the ax -- Russia is pumping trillions of rubles into modernizing its military." So in times of economic uncertainty the Russians do the opposite of us, that's comforting. He has to buy the loyalty of the armed forces. He is asking them to die in Ukraine and be buried with no ceremony in unmarked graves;if their budget is cut and he is forced to conceed Novorossiya Vlad might become unpopular. He is banking on propaganda fueled populism to carry him through this crisis,that Russians will see the economic collapse as the fault of the West and dig in their heels rather than wonder just what the hell they got out of Putin and his cronies raiding the treasury. Well,good thing he spent all that money in Sochi. With the ruble tanking that makes a vacation in Miami quite a bit less attractive. If this pattern continues I'm thinking a visit to Saint Petersburg is in order for the spring and ball it up on a budget 
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:34:08 PM EDT
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FPNI What better distraction from financial turmoil, than to create an enemy, make them villains, and convince the masses that war is necessary, Tread carefully..... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. FPNI What better distraction from financial turmoil, than to create an enemy, make them villains, and convince the masses that war is necessary, Tread carefully..... Are we talking about the US or Russia here? |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:34:48 PM EDT
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Their navy and mech forces could roll up and rust all over you. What are you gonna do when an MRR comes over that hill and slowly crumbles next to you? You're gonna get tetanus, that's what. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. Unless they lob nukes they have no way of projecting conventional force. Their navy and mech forces could roll up and rust all over you. What are you gonna do when an MRR comes over that hill and slowly crumbles next to you? You're gonna get tetanus, that's what. Anything but lockjaw! |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:35:51 PM EDT
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This means Wolf ammo should get super cheap again
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:37:16 PM EDT
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Putin backed into a corner is not comforting. Nobody puts baby in the corner. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:38:38 PM EDT
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Russia will do what is best for Russia Putin. China will do what is best for China the Party leadership. The US will do what? I believe its time for the US to get our house in order. I see interesting times in the next 5- 20 years. I'm perfectly happy with the US not following in Russia and China's footsteps. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:40:00 PM EDT
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There is more to the fall of oil than supply and demand. Which is the same thing when that is the only thing your economy has going for it. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:40:01 PM EDT
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Anything but lockjaw! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. Unless they lob nukes they have no way of projecting conventional force. Their navy and mech forces could roll up and rust all over you. What are you gonna do when an MRR comes over that hill and slowly crumbles next to you? You're gonna get tetanus, that's what. Anything but lockjaw! Dear god the armor will be so soft that rounds wount detonate. Those devious bastards. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:41:22 PM EDT
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The Oligarchs might look for a replacement for the Scion of Russia who no longer holds the luster anymore.
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:41:48 PM EDT
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. Oh yeah. It'll be interesting for sure. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:42:35 PM EDT
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I'm perfectly happy with the US not following in Russia and China's footsteps. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Russia will do what is best for Russia Putin. China will do what is best for China the Party leadership. The US will do what? I believe its time for the US to get our house in order. I see interesting times in the next 5- 20 years. I'm perfectly happy with the US not following in Russia and China's footsteps. Yea, no kidding. If Putin did what was best for Russia, they would not be in this situation. He and his cronies have robbed that nation blind. It boggles the mind how Russians support him. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:42:36 PM EDT
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The Oligarchs might look for a replace to the Scion of Russia who no longer holds the luster anymore. I may be out of the loop, but I thought part of Putin's consolidation of power was putting the kibosh on the power of the oligarchs? |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:42:57 PM EDT
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. How many currencies need to collapse before they all do? How many national economies need to fail before the whole pile of shit comes collapsing down? |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:43:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm perfectly happy with the US not following in Russia and China's footsteps. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Russia will do what is best for Russia Putin. China will do what is best for China the Party leadership. The US will do what? I believe its time for the US to get our house in order. I see interesting times in the next 5- 20 years. I'm perfectly happy with the US not following in Russia and China's footsteps. The US is already doing what's best for the Party leadership. Exhibit A: Our immigration policy. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:43:30 PM EDT
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don't corner the bear,crazy ivan and all.they got nutin too lose. They're not suicidal. Lulz. Have you seen the videos of how civilians drive over there!?! Completely suicidal. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:44:03 PM EDT
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What does the wheat harvest look like?
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:44:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yea, no kidding. If Putin did what was best for Russia, they would not be in this situation. He and his cronies have robbed that nation blind. It boggles the mind how Russians support him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Russia will do what is best for Russia Putin. China will do what is best for China the Party leadership. The US will do what? I believe its time for the US to get our house in order. I see interesting times in the next 5- 20 years. I'm perfectly happy with the US not following in Russia and China's footsteps. Yea, no kidding. If Putin did what was best for Russia, they would not be in this situation. He and his cronies have robbed that nation blind. It boggles the mind how Russians support him. The Russian people respect strength, not morals. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:44:33 PM EDT
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They're not suicidal. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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don't corner the bear,crazy ivan and all.they got nutin too lose. They're not suicidal. LOL Ivan has a very low value on human life, so yeah... |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:45:05 PM EDT
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I may be out of the loop, but I thought part of Putin's consolidation of power was putting the kibosh on the power of the oligarchs? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The Oligarchs might look for a replace to the Scion of Russia who no longer holds the luster anymore. I may be out of the loop, but I thought part of Putin's consolidation of power was putting the kibosh on the power of the oligarchs? In that part of the World, money can buy power faster than a hooker will go down for a bump of coke. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:45:20 PM EDT
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Are we talking about the US or Russia here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. FPNI What better distraction from financial turmoil, than to create an enemy, make them villains, and convince the masses that war is necessary, Tread carefully..... Are we talking about the US or Russia here? This.... I see what you did there...... |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:45:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How many currencies need to collapse before they all do? How many national economies need to fail before the whole pile of shit comes collapsing down? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. How many currencies need to collapse before they all do? How many national economies need to fail before the whole pile of shit comes collapsing down? Historically, they have all collapsed. The U.S. is unique and a special force in the universe - it's currency will never collapse.  |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:45:56 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:46:58 PM EDT
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LOL Ivan has a very low value on human life, so yeah... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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don't corner the bear,crazy ivan and all.they got nutin too lose. They're not suicidal. LOL Ivan has a very low value on human life, so yeah... True. I hope they eat each other. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:48:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Unless they lob nukes they have no way of projecting conventional force. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. Unless they lob nukes they have no way of projecting conventional force. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:48:03 PM EDT
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Russia will do what is best for Russia. China will do what is best for China. The US will do what? I believe its time for the US to get our house in order. I see interesting times in the next 5- 20 years. It may not be Chinese, it may not be ancient, but it holds a lot of truth, "May you live interesting times......" there are plenty of players in the world making sure that we are about to live in extremely interesting times. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:48:37 PM EDT
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. You're right. What if they were to invade the Ukraine, that would be WWIII !! |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:49:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: LOL Ivan has a very low value on human life, so yeah... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: don't corner the bear,crazy ivan and all.they got nutin too lose. They're not suicidal. LOL Ivan has a very low value on human life, so yeah...  I didn't know the world is not a far different place than the 1940s?
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:50:06 PM EDT
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Well IF oil would stop it's crazy fall.......maybe we would see some stabilization. Aloha, Mark There seemed to have been plenty of stability when it was cheaper. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:50:29 PM EDT
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Historically, they have all collapsed. The U.S. is unique and a special force in the universe - it's currency will never collapse.
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. How many currencies need to collapse before they all do? How many national economies need to fail before the whole pile of shit comes collapsing down? Historically, they have all collapsed. The U.S. is unique and a special force in the universe - it's currency will never collapse.
I like your sense of humor. 
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:51:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Historically, they have all collapsed. The U.S. is unique and a special force in the universe - it's currency will never collapse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. How many currencies need to collapse before they all do? How many national economies need to fail before the whole pile of shit comes collapsing down? Historically, they have all collapsed. The U.S. is unique and a special force in the universe - it's currency will never collapse.  The dollar is collapsing. The value of the dollar is based on the price of a barrel oil since the early 1970's. The price of oil is getting to $50/barrel. It wont be long now.  |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:53:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This. I don't think this is good for anyone. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. This. I don't think this is good for anyone. Why is everybody so chicken shit against the Russian is beyond me. Let them reap what they sow. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:53:24 PM EDT
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Send me crates upon crates of surplus 7.62x39 and i will send some dollars to the motherland
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:53:29 PM EDT
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LOL. Russia is no where near a modern day equivalent of Germany's military in the late 1930's. It's not the same circumstances at all. You guys gotta learn to see that just because you have similarities, doesn't mean it's going to happen all the same way or end the same way. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. LOL. Russia is no where near a modern day equivalent of Germany's military in the late 1930's. It's not the same circumstances at all. You guys gotta learn to see that just because you have similarities, doesn't mean it's going to happen all the same way or end the same way. You're absolutely right... Nazi Germany didn't have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:54:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're right. What if they were to invade the Ukraine, that would be WWIII !! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. You're right. What if they were to invade the Ukraine, that would be WWIII !! And what if it start's annexing and intimidating it's neighbors! Oh shiiiiiit
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:54:41 PM EDT
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Historically, they have all collapsed. The U.S. is unique and a special force in the universe - it's currency will never collapse.
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. How many currencies need to collapse before they all do? How many national economies need to fail before the whole pile of shit comes collapsing down? Historically, they have all collapsed. The U.S. is unique and a special force in the universe - it's currency will never collapse.
We are too civilized for anything bad that has happened to every single civilization in the history of earth to happen to us! 
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:54:51 PM EDT
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Remind anyone of pre-WWII Japan? No. The Russians have natural resources. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:55:26 PM EDT
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Do they really need to these days? If they inserted "Stuxnet" type viruses into our infrastructure operating systems, they could crash those and do some real damage to our nation without firing a shot. . . Sony Pictures is basically shut down due to cyber attack on their system. . . It's a movie company, so who cares. . .but if that can be done to them, it could be done to any company. . . or utility. .. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:55:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You're absolutely right... Nazi Germany didn't have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. LOL. Russia is no where near a modern day equivalent of Germany's military in the late 1930's. It's not the same circumstances at all. You guys gotta learn to see that just because you have similarities, doesn't mean it's going to happen all the same way or end the same way. You're absolutely right... Nazi Germany didn't have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. Ever heard of the Cold War? Pretty sure the Soviets have had a means to deliver them since forever, and for fuck sake, they even had their own Empire collapse without using them.
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:57:50 PM EDT
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Ever heard of the Cold War?
Pretty sure the Soviets have had a means to deliver them since forever, and for fuck sake, they even had their own Empire collapse without using them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. LOL. Russia is no where near a modern day equivalent of Germany's military in the late 1930's. It's not the same circumstances at all. You guys gotta learn to see that just because you have similarities, doesn't mean it's going to happen all the same way or end the same way. You're absolutely right... Nazi Germany didn't have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. Ever heard of the Cold War?
Pretty sure the Soviets have had a means to deliver them since forever, and for fuck sake, they even had their own Empire collapse without using them. What do you think PMCS on those delivery systems has looked like in the past 20 years? Do you think everything went to corroded hell, but the missiles are somehow pristine? |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:59:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Historically, they have all collapsed. The U.S. is unique and a special force in the universe - it's currency will never collapse. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. How many currencies need to collapse before they all do? How many national economies need to fail before the whole pile of shit comes collapsing down? Historically, they have all collapsed. The U.S. is unique and a special force in the universe - it's currency will never collapse. Fiat currency is base on faith. The US currency is unique because almost every countries follow it. They either peg it to the dollar or follow the Feds lead. It is not the governments that will decide which currency will collapse. It is the traders that decides. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:59:36 PM EDT
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Remind anyone of pre-WWII Japan? No. The Russians have natural resources. Oil, rape, caviar, wheat and rape. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 11:59:52 PM EDT
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Russian hookers are not cheap. I'm hoping that will change soon.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 12:00:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 12:01:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Right. The dollar is collapsing. The value of the dollar is based on the price of a barrel oil since the early 1970's. The price of oil is getting to $50/barrel. It wont be long now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. How many currencies need to collapse before they all do? How many national economies need to fail before the whole pile of shit comes collapsing down? Historically, they have all collapsed. The U.S. is unique and a special force in the universe - it's currency will never collapse. The dollar is collapsing. The value of the dollar is based on the price of a barrel oil since the early 1970's. The price of oil is getting to $50/barrel. It wont be long now. The problem is what to do about it. I have purchased gold over the years (well before the hype - not much as I was a kid with no money back in the late 80's) and during current times. Some silver too... Some food... Lot's of ammo (  ).... I don't trust the stock market, even though it has a "proven" record... Should I pay off the house at these low rates? Unless there's a global war and we somehow end up with the loot without radiating ourselves to death, I don't see the coming train wreck ending well. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 12:02:02 AM EDT
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. I'm more concerned about Putin's ego. That's what will drive whether he backs down or not. Based on the cult of personality he's been crafting over the years, I'm not sure he can handle a big ego hit. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 12:02:03 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Russian hookers are not cheap. I'm hoping that will change soon. Unless they want dollars, it very cheap in rubles. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 12:02:15 AM EDT
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Ever heard of the Cold War?
Pretty sure the Soviets have had a means to deliver them since forever, and for fuck sake, they even had their own Empire collapse without using them. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. LOL. Russia is no where near a modern day equivalent of Germany's military in the late 1930's. It's not the same circumstances at all. You guys gotta learn to see that just because you have similarities, doesn't mean it's going to happen all the same way or end the same way. You're absolutely right... Nazi Germany didn't have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. Ever heard of the Cold War?
Pretty sure the Soviets have had a means to deliver them since forever, and for fuck sake, they even had their own Empire collapse without using them. The Soviet collapse was met with political softness, assistance and reassurance from the West. Further, the Soviet leadership was not a single borderline psychotic mobster. Also, if the hard-liners in the Soviet Union had their way (and they came pretty close to it), things would have gone very differently. You are making some very poor assumptions about modern Russia here. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 12:03:39 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The Soviet collapse was met with political softness, assistance and reassurance from the West. Further, the Soviet leadership was not a single borderline psychotic mobster. Also, if the hard-liners in the Soviet Union had their way (and they came pretty close to it), things would have gone very differently. You are making some very poor assumptions about modern Russia here. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. LOL. Russia is no where near a modern day equivalent of Germany's military in the late 1930's. It's not the same circumstances at all. You guys gotta learn to see that just because you have similarities, doesn't mean it's going to happen all the same way or end the same way. You're absolutely right... Nazi Germany didn't have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. Ever heard of the Cold War? Pretty sure the Soviets have had a means to deliver them since forever, and for fuck sake, they even had their own Empire collapse without using them. The Soviet collapse was met with political softness, assistance and reassurance from the West. Further, the Soviet leadership was not a single borderline psychotic mobster. Also, if the hard-liners in the Soviet Union had their way (and they came pretty close to it), things would have gone very differently. You are making some very poor assumptions about modern Russia here. I think your assumptions are far more flawed then mine. Russia has no measurable parity with us at all.
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Posted: 12/16/2014 12:03:55 AM EDT
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What do you think PMCS on those delivery systems has looked like in the past 20 years? Do you think everything went to corroded hell, but the missiles are somehow pristine? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Before we gloat too much, let's remember that sometimes unstable governments do crazy things in economic turmoil-like provoke wars. LOL. Russia is no where near a modern day equivalent of Germany's military in the late 1930's. It's not the same circumstances at all. You guys gotta learn to see that just because you have similarities, doesn't mean it's going to happen all the same way or end the same way. You're absolutely right... Nazi Germany didn't have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. Ever heard of the Cold War?
Pretty sure the Soviets have had a means to deliver them since forever, and for fuck sake, they even had their own Empire collapse without using them. What do you think PMCS on those delivery systems has looked like in the past 20 years? Do you think everything went to corroded hell, but the missiles are somehow pristine? You know they have built new ones, right? And considering they have a metric fucking shitload, they just need some of them to still work. Russia is very much a nuclear power. |
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