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Posted: 10/28/2016 10:58:49 AM EDT
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The man is not Stupid, that was incredibly well put.
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Posted: 10/28/2016 10:59:52 AM EDT
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The man was a former KGB agent who had to help manage the organization through troubled times in the early 90's. Especially with the coup going on. A few years later and Boris Yeltsin names him the leader of Russia. [span style='font-size: 8pt;']To many Russians over there, Putin is their "Ronald Reagan" who improved their lives. He was and is their leader that has brought Russia to modern-day times. In comparison to us they are still behind; but in comparison to what they used to be, that is worlds beyond and ahead. That is a very,ummmmm,Russia Today interpretation of the state of affairs. He was not in any leadership position in the KGB,he was only a major though he claims at times to have been a colonel or lieutenant colonel. He resigned during the coup and took no part in it. How he rose to power was by being in a position perfectly suited to graft and corruption: employed by the Saint Petersburg mayor's office to issue importing/exporting licenses. This allowed him to accept bribes for said licenses and take a cut of business. He also helped in divvying up state enterprises which is how he served -and still serves-as king maker of oligarchs as well as the wealthiest mob boss in the world. Legitimately,it's Chicago politics scaled up by 50 some times and with the trappings of a state security apparatus to keep it safe. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 11:23:22 AM EDT
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Putin: US has been hijacked |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 11:24:37 AM EDT
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putin speaks and understands english very well, it's a control thing FFZ
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Posted: 10/28/2016 11:29:38 AM EDT
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Am I the only one interpreting that as 'cooperation and peace' = America surrenders without a fight? 
The 1987 Intermediate Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty essentially ended the Cold War. In 1991, the USSR collapsed and the modern day Russia arose. It has been 25 years since we've had the threat of a NATO/Warsaw Pact Fulda Gap scenario. Modern day Russia has an economy about the size of Canada and, at best, is a regional power. The main threat that they have is the nuclear arsenal left over from the CCCP days. Regardless of John McCain's rhetoric, Russia isn't a super power. Regardless of the number of people pulling out the Putin boogeyman, he isn't a wild eyed nuclear button pushing manic. He didn't get where he is today by being a faculty room idealogue or a semi-senile politicrat as our current POTUS&VP. Putin is a Russian nationalist whose agenda is the promotion of Russia's self interest. This is where a nonpolitician, such as Trump, could negotiate win-win scenario's with Russia. It really boils down to whether we're going to keep with this 1984ish "We've always been at war with Oceania." or are we going to negotiate a deal with Russia for mutual benefit. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 11:54:34 AM EDT
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And still he invaded Ukraine and took Crimea while everyone pissed their panties.
He "admits" it becuase he's knows perfectly well the cards he's holding and that the American superpower wants none of it. He knows no one wants to fuck with Russia, let alone its former KGB hitman president. FerFAL Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't like CNN or Fareed Zakaria so thought this was amusing.......  http://youtu.be/JBTBBNOtbhM
Note Putin even alludes to the US being the ONLY Super Power in the world, that is a pretty big deal for him to admit regarding Russia. And still he invaded Ukraine and took Crimea while everyone pissed their panties.
He "admits" it becuase he's knows perfectly well the cards he's holding and that the American superpower wants none of it. He knows no one wants to fuck with Russia, let alone its former KGB hitman president. FerFAL Putin knew well the majority of the population of Crimea was Russian and did not appreciate Ukraine's policies such as 1) arresting anyone that spoke Russian in public, 2) refusing to teach any Russian history in schools, 3) changing all people's names from Russian to Ukrainian, and 4) refusing to allow Russian to be used in schools. And he knew that the man-child POTUS could only shit and fall back in it as a response. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 11:59:00 AM EDT
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The port of Sevastopol was founded by the Russian Empress Catherine the Great in 1783. The same 1783 as when the Treaty of Paris that granted the US's independence from England. The same Sevastopol that was designated a "Hero City" due to the 100K losses(POW & KIA) for when it fell and the 100K(POW & KIA) for its liberation. So, the Russians feel some attachment to this city as 'theirs'. And to think that the Russians would lightly let this fall into NATO's control, can be politely called 'foolish'. Putin knew well the majority of the population of Crimea was Russian and did not appreciate Ukraine's policies such as 1) arresting anyone that spoke Russian in public, 2) refusing to teach any Russian history in schools, 3) changing all people's names from Russian to Ukrainian, and 4) refusing to allow Russian to be used in schools. And he knew that the man-child POTUS could only shit and fall back in it as a response. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't like CNN or Fareed Zakaria so thought this was amusing....... http://youtu.be/JBTBBNOtbhM
Note Putin even alludes to the US being the ONLY Super Power in the world, that is a pretty big deal for him to admit regarding Russia. And still he invaded Ukraine and took Crimea while everyone pissed their panties.
He "admits" it becuase he's knows perfectly well the cards he's holding and that the American superpower wants none of it. He knows no one wants to fuck with Russia, let alone its former KGB hitman president. FerFAL Putin knew well the majority of the population of Crimea was Russian and did not appreciate Ukraine's policies such as 1) arresting anyone that spoke Russian in public, 2) refusing to teach any Russian history in schools, 3) changing all people's names from Russian to Ukrainian, and 4) refusing to allow Russian to be used in schools. And he knew that the man-child POTUS could only shit and fall back in it as a response. 
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Posted: 10/28/2016 12:12:51 PM EDT
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He's a liar, gangster/criminal, insanely wealthy (politician, in other words), and he has a huge pair.
And nukes. He speaks very eloquently, thinks fast. Has anyone at any time cornered that guy? And lived to tell about it? Putin scares the shit out of me |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 12:18:38 PM EDT
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How about Yiannopoulos? Or D'Souza? Or Farage? Only MURICAN names allowed, huh? 
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Nobody with the name "Fareed" has the fucking right to comment on the state of American politics.. Only MURICAN names allowed, huh?
When Greeks, Christian Indians, or Brits kill 3,000 Americans, let me know. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 12:20:05 PM EDT
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I don't like CNN or Fareed Zakaria so thought this was amusing....... http://youtu.be/JBTBBNOtbhM
Note Putin even alludes to the US being the ONLY Super Power in the world, that is a pretty big deal for him to admit regarding Russia.
He "admits" it becuase he's knows perfectly well the cards he's holding and that the American superpower wants none of it. He knows no one wants to fuck with Russia, let alone its former KGB hitman president. FerFAL Putin knew well the majority of the population of Crimea was Russian and did not appreciate Ukraine's policies such as 1) arresting anyone that spoke Russian in public, 2) refusing to teach any Russian history in schools, 3) changing all people's names from Russian to Ukrainian, and 4) refusing to allow Russian to be used in schools. And he knew that the man-child POTUS could only shit and fall back in it as a response. Rules for Radicals
#5“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” Otherwise, you're opinion is inside the bag. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 12:25:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: CNN guy has a face you just want to punch. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 12:26:45 PM EDT
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CNN guy has a face you just want to punch. he literally looks like a giant douche... |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 12:27:10 PM EDT
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How about Yiannopoulos? Or D'Souza? Or Farage? Only MURICAN names allowed, huh?
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Nobody with the name "Fareed" has the fucking right to comment on the state of American politics.. Only MURICAN names allowed, huh?
I don't recall any of the names you listed as possible Muslim Brotherhood supporters.. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 12:29:43 PM EDT
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That is a very,ummmmm,Russia Today interpretation of the state of affairs. He was not in any leadership position in the KGB,he was only a major though he claims at times to have been a colonel or lieutenant colonel. He resigned during the coup and took no part in it. How he rose to power was by being in a position perfectly suited to graft and corruption: employed by the Saint Petersburg mayor's office to issue importing/exporting licenses. This allowed him to accept bribes for said licenses and take a cut of business. He also helped in divvying up state enterprises which is how he served -and still serves-as king maker of oligarchs as well as the wealthiest mob boss in the world. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The man was a former KGB agent who had to help manage the organization through troubled times in the early 90's. Especially with the coup going on. A few years later and Boris Yeltsin names him the leader of Russia. [span style='font-size: 8pt;']To many Russians over there, Putin is their "Ronald Reagan" who improved their lives. He was and is their leader that has brought Russia to modern-day times. In comparison to us they are still behind; but in comparison to what they used to be, that is worlds beyond and ahead. That is a very,ummmmm,Russia Today interpretation of the state of affairs. He was not in any leadership position in the KGB,he was only a major though he claims at times to have been a colonel or lieutenant colonel. He resigned during the coup and took no part in it. How he rose to power was by being in a position perfectly suited to graft and corruption: employed by the Saint Petersburg mayor's office to issue importing/exporting licenses. This allowed him to accept bribes for said licenses and take a cut of business. He also helped in divvying up state enterprises which is how he served -and still serves-as king maker of oligarchs as well as the wealthiest mob boss in the world. you make that sound like that's a bad thing... there will always be men of power who gain power thru means that some people cringe at. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 12:40:12 PM EDT
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trump compared to putin..
in a nutshell. trump 'fires' potential entrepreneurs from a reality tv show... putin has opponents shot, poisoned or beaten to death in prison. in clinton, putin know's what he's getting, more of the same he's gotten from obama, such as meddling in the ukraine, and general opposition in syria. and support of nato allies who's interests often conflict with russia. with trump he gets someone who has never been involved with politics and who has expressed interest in becoming less involved in issues outside of the us. not that i disagree, but from putin's standpoint, trump is the more likely candidate to either give putin what he wants or be less able to deal with the former kgb agent.. or both |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 12:52:17 PM EDT
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Feel free to highlight and refute. Otherwise, you're opinion is inside the bag. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBm_daRwDgFlbU7bOyVN3K71IoUSQnEkAWYEcJDuGwAN-dYe6cTVswqfZdSp22jeR_iIhh7-M&usqp=CAY Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And still he invaded Ukraine and took Crimea while everyone pissed their panties.
He "admits" it becuase he's knows perfectly well the cards he's holding and that the American superpower wants none of it. He knows no one wants to fuck with Russia, let alone its former KGB hitman president. FerFAL Putin knew well the majority of the population of Crimea was Russian and did not appreciate Ukraine's policies such as 1) arresting anyone that spoke Russian in public, 2) refusing to teach any Russian history in schools, 3) changing all people's names from Russian to Ukrainian, and 4) refusing to allow Russian to be used in schools. And he knew that the man-child POTUS could only shit and fall back in it as a response. Rules for Radicals
#5“Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” Otherwise, you're opinion is inside the bag. https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/shopping?q=tbn:ANd9GcQBm_daRwDgFlbU7bOyVN3K71IoUSQnEkAWYEcJDuGwAN-dYe6cTVswqfZdSp22jeR_iIhh7-M&usqp=CAY My're opinion is irrelevant, I'm just in this thread for the hilarity, and was not let down. 
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Posted: 10/28/2016 1:35:07 PM EDT
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We are being outplayed and outmaneuvered by Putin at every turn. The only thing I haven't figured out is his ultimate end game. I suspect it won't be good for us... Putin's end game is spending the rest of his life wearing $2500 slav tuxedos and $300,000 watches. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 1:41:14 PM EDT
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Quoted: I don't like CNN or Fareed Zakaria so thought this was amusing....... http://youtu.be/JBTBBNOtbhMNote Putin even alludes to the US being the ONLY Super Power in the world, that is a pretty big deal for him to admit regarding Russia. Putin is an enemy of the United States and he's basically a real-life Bond villain, but I have to admit that the guy is smart, articulate, and good at what he does. ETA: I'm especially impressed that he managed to keep a straight face when he said that Russia doesn't interfere with the internal political processes of other countries. The Soviets did that on a daily basis and that didn't stop when management changed. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 1:59:55 PM EDT
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[The port of Sevastopol was founded by the Russian Empress Catherine the Great in 1783. The same 1783 as when the Treaty of Paris that granted the US's independence from England. The same Sevastopol that was designated a "Hero City" due to the 100K losses(POW & KIA) for when it fell and the 100K(POW & KIA) for its liberation. So, the Russians feel some attachment to this city as 'theirs'. And to think that the Russians would lightly let this fall into NATO's control, can be politely called 'foolish'. Putin knew well the majority of the population of Crimea was Russian and did not appreciate Ukraine's policies such as 1) arresting anyone that spoke Russian in public, 2) refusing to teach any Russian history in schools, 3) changing all people's names from Russian to Ukrainian, and 4) refusing to allow Russian to be used in schools. And he knew that the man-child POTUS could only shit and fall back in it as a response. I'll bet that you don't have an English language source for those claims. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 2:01:57 PM EDT
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I'll bet that you don't have an English language source for those claims. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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[The port of Sevastopol was founded by the Russian Empress Catherine the Great in 1783. The same 1783 as when the Treaty of Paris that granted the US's independence from England. The same Sevastopol that was designated a "Hero City" due to the 100K losses(POW & KIA) for when it fell and the 100K(POW & KIA) for its liberation. So, the Russians feel some attachment to this city as 'theirs'. And to think that the Russians would lightly let this fall into NATO's control, can be politely called 'foolish'. Putin knew well the majority of the population of Crimea was Russian and did not appreciate Ukraine's policies such as 1) arresting anyone that spoke Russian in public, 2) refusing to teach any Russian history in schools, 3) changing all people's names from Russian to Ukrainian, and 4) refusing to allow Russian to be used in schools. And he knew that the man-child POTUS could only shit and fall back in it as a response. I'll bet that you don't have an English language source for those claims. There's no way he's ever as much as been to a Ukraine to say anything so absurd. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 2:11:45 PM EDT
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CNN guy has a face you just want to punch. Don't ALL Leftist journalists??!! You mean that smug, smirky, smarmy, condescending, "I'm an open-minded, educated, enlightened, tolerant liberal and you're not" kind of face? That one? |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 2:12:43 PM EDT
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The smug, snide, sneer of the liberal academic. Nothing as punchable exists. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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CNN guy has a face you just want to punch. Yup. 
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Posted: 10/28/2016 2:18:18 PM EDT
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How about Yiannopoulos? Or D'Souza? Or Farage? Only MURICAN names allowed, huh?
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Nobody with the name "Fareed" has the fucking right to comment on the state of American politics.. Only MURICAN names allowed, huh?
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Posted: 10/28/2016 2:39:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Obvious that some have not read Sun Tzu's Art of War. The 1987 Intermediate Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty essentially ended the Cold War. In 1991, the USSR collapsed and the modern day Russia arose. It has been 25 years since we've had the threat of a NATO/Warsaw Pact Fulda Gap scenario. Modern day Russia has an economy about the size of Canada and, at best, is a regional power. The main threat that they have is the nuclear arsenal left over from the CCCP days. Regardless of John McCain's rhetoric, Russia isn't a super power. Regardless of the number of people pulling out the Putin boogeyman, he isn't a wild eyed nuclear button pushing manic. He didn't get where he is today by being a faculty room idealogue or a semi-senile politicrat as our current POTUS&VP. Putin is a Russian nationalist whose agenda is the promotion of Russia's self interest. This is where a nonpolitician, such as Trump, could negotiate win-win scenario's with Russia. It really boils down to whether we're going to keep with this 1984ish "We've always been at war with Oceania." or are we going to negotiate a deal with Russia for mutual benefit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Am I the only one interpreting that as 'cooperation and peace' = America surrenders without a fight? The 1987 Intermediate Nuclear Forces (INF) Treaty essentially ended the Cold War. In 1991, the USSR collapsed and the modern day Russia arose. It has been 25 years since we've had the threat of a NATO/Warsaw Pact Fulda Gap scenario. Modern day Russia has an economy about the size of Canada and, at best, is a regional power. The main threat that they have is the nuclear arsenal left over from the CCCP days. Regardless of John McCain's rhetoric, Russia isn't a super power. Regardless of the number of people pulling out the Putin boogeyman, he isn't a wild eyed nuclear button pushing manic. He didn't get where he is today by being a faculty room idealogue or a semi-senile politicrat as our current POTUS&VP. Putin is a Russian nationalist whose agenda is the promotion of Russia's self interest. This is where a nonpolitician, such as Trump, could negotiate win-win scenario's with Russia. It really boils down to whether we're going to keep with this 1984ish "We've always been at war with Oceania." or are we going to negotiate a deal with Russia for mutual benefit. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 2:55:08 PM EDT
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Check out Trump batting Stephanopoulos around
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Posted: 10/28/2016 2:57:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Check out Trump batting Stephanopoulos around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H116med2VGU&feature=youtu.be Owned.  |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 3:08:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:The port of Sevastopol was founded by the Russian Empress Catherine the Great in 1783. The same 1783 as when the Treaty of Paris that granted the US's independence from England. The same Sevastopol that was designated a "Hero City" due to the 100K losses(POW & KIA) for when it fell and the 100K(POW & KIA) for its liberation. So, the Russians feel some attachment to this city as 'theirs'. And to think that the Russians would lightly let this fall into NATO's control, can be politely called 'foolish'.
Putin knew well the majority of the population of Crimea was Russian and did not appreciate Ukraine's policies such as 1) arresting anyone that spoke Russian in public, 2) refusing to teach any Russian history in schools, 3) changing all people's names from Russian to Ukrainian, and 4) refusing to allow Russian to be used in schools. And he knew that the man-child POTUS could only shit and fall back in it as a response. I'll help out Bohr_Adam here and correct the record, as it were (google my screen name for qualifications): 1. The idea that Crimea has essentially been part of Russia as long as USA has been a state is broadly correct. Also, when it did get handed over to Ukraine's control in the 90s due to internal political dealings, it was supposed to be largely autonomous AND there were agreements that Kiev would not do anything anti-Russian, more or less. Of course, everyone remembers the Budapest memo (lol) but none of the actual Ukraine-Russia treaties on the subject. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonomous_Republic_of_Crimea 2. The list of anti-Russian policies you listed is broadly false. Well, parts 2 and 4 about schools are mostly correct, but people wouldn't be arrested just for speaking Russian, that would be impossible (IIRC Gallup data from 2008 shows ~83% of Ukraine's population prefers speaking Russian). Speaking out against breaking ties with Russia and such, against unconstitutional usurpation of power - yes. Also, the argument was just as much about economy as it was about culture. It can be broadly compared to Hispanics seizing power in Florida and cutting off ties with the rest of US, so basically shitting on the cultural and economic needs&wants of half the country (various economic sources clearly show Ukraine was a lot more dependent on Russia than EU). Events of the past 2 years clearly showed that "pro-Russians" were right and Soros shills were wrong - Ukraine basically committed economic suicide for the sake of FBHO and Merkel's ambitions. 3. Population of Crimea is indeed very "pro-Russian", which is a very well-known fact in Ukraine. 2014 Gallup data confirms they overwhelmingly supported reunion with Russia. Our mass media trying to convince the American public otherwise is truly hilarious, it's like trying to claim Republicans in Kansas are simply a vocal minority. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 3:10:33 PM EDT
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Check out Trump batting Stephanopoulos around https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H116med2VGU&feature=youtu.be Owned.
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Posted: 10/28/2016 4:47:27 PM EDT
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Our mass media trying to convince the American public otherwise is truly hilarious, like trying to claim Republicans in Kansas are simply a vocal minority. frakken LOL that was funny! |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 4:50:04 PM EDT
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I am not a Putin fan; however he has an extremely forceful intellect. He is a very, very sharp guy and our Western leaders are nowhere in his league. There's a reason why Russians are some of the greatest chess players of all time. The dudes have skills. To deal with them you either have to have a super intellect or a backbone of steel and the ability to recognize when the bear is up to no good. Putin is an old school commie. If you're gonna deal with that, the first thing you need to do is keep anyone named Obama or Clinton the hell away from the situation. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile I don't think Putin is a commie but he is an old school Russian. He is in charge of a country with a flat income tax rate....so maybe not, but he loves power and believes in "light totalitarianism" is not a full fledged version... |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 5:33:48 PM EDT
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I don't like CNN or Fareed Zakaria so thought this was amusing....... http://youtu.be/JBTBBNOtbhM
Note Putin even alludes to the US being the ONLY Super Power in the world, that is a pretty big deal for him to admit regarding Russia. I heard him say that in an interview about a month ago but never saw it again and thought I must have misheard him when I never se an news coverage of it. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 6:39:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2016 7:34:50 PM EDT
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The translation isn't stellar, but is quite accurate. Other Russian-speaking members can confirm. Putin is extremely well-spoken normally - my main problem the few times I've translated vids with him is that I can't faithfully match his rhetoric in English. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, I get it, but, you realize that was most likely edited in a way to make Putin look good and douche bag fareed to look bad, right? The translation isn't stellar, but is quite accurate. Other Russian-speaking members can confirm. Putin is extremely well-spoken normally - my main problem the few times I've translated vids with him is that I can't faithfully match his rhetoric in English. I know that you understand Russian, but can you speak Ukrainian? |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 7:45:02 PM EDT
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Yeah, I get it, but, you realize that was most likely edited in a way to make Putin look good and douche bag fareed to look bad, right? The translation isn't stellar, but is quite accurate. Other Russian-speaking members can confirm. Putin is extremely well-spoken normally - my main problem the few times I've translated vids with him is that I can't faithfully match his rhetoric in English. I know that you understand Russian, but can you speak Ukrainian? More or less (same as most Ukrainians, lol - the majority there don't know how to speak "pure" Ukrainian, they speak Russian/Ukrainian mix or pure Russian). I can understand 100%, but actually speaking like the locals is quite a bit harder. It's like speaking English dialects, e.g. redneck or ebonics - it's easy to understand, not so easy to speak. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 7:49:15 PM EDT
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Putin is an evil chess player, and we have a bunch of functional retards playing with crayons.
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Posted: 10/28/2016 7:58:43 PM EDT
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More or less (same as most Ukrainians, lol - the majority there don't know how to speak "pure" Ukrainian, they speak Russian/Ukrainian mix or pure Russian). I can understand 100%, but actually speaking like the locals is quite a bit harder. It's like speaking English dialects, e.g. redneck or ebonics - it's easy to understand, not so easy to speak. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yeah, I get it, but, you realize that was most likely edited in a way to make Putin look good and douche bag fareed to look bad, right? The translation isn't stellar, but is quite accurate. Other Russian-speaking members can confirm. Putin is extremely well-spoken normally - my main problem the few times I've translated vids with him is that I can't faithfully match his rhetoric in English. I know that you understand Russian, but can you speak Ukrainian? More or less (same as most Ukrainians, lol - the majority there don't know how to speak "pure" Ukrainian, they speak Russian/Ukrainian mix or pure Russian). I can understand 100%, but actually speaking like the locals is quite a bit harder. It's like speaking English dialects, e.g. redneck or ebonics - it's easy to understand, not so easy to speak. I didn't know that the mutual intelligibility of Ukrainian and Russian was so extensive. Is the attitude of considering modern spoken Ukrainian to be, in large part, a mixture of Russian commonplace? It's interesting that you would imagine such a thing as "pure" Ukrainian. As if any language could be said to be "pure" by an objective standard. lol |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 8:24:26 PM EDT
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Enjoyed that. Thanks for posting.
Putin is a real and respectable leader and it clearly pains him to play patty-cake with a bunch of clowns. Not a fan-boi, but it's refreshing every once in a while to watch someone who's not a rank amateur. I always sit up and take notice whenever someone is actually competent. It's so rare. Also, I find it hysterical when he pays someone a compliment before talking down to them. The words are nice. Everything else in his demeanor is saying, "I can snuff you out like a light switch ... any ... time ... I ... want." They seem to get it too, because they always STFU while and after he's talking. 
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Posted: 10/28/2016 8:26:47 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2016 8:31:02 PM EDT
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I agree with you Fluffy. I respect the man, I think he has more balls then any of our current elected officials and I like his directness. I think he can run mental circles around our current leadership. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I am not a Putin fan; however he has an extremely forceful intellect. He is a very, very sharp guy and our Western leaders are nowhere in his league. I agree with you Fluffy. I respect the man, I think he has more balls then any of our current elected officials and I like his directness. I think he can run mental circles around our current leadership. Working your way up to a leadership position in the KGB is not for idiots and the faint-hearted. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 8:31:24 PM EDT
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I didn't know that the mutual intelligibility of Ukrainian and Russian was so extensive. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I know that you understand Russian, but can you speak Ukrainian? More or less (same as most Ukrainians, lol - the majority there don't know how to speak "pure" Ukrainian, they speak Russian/Ukrainian mix or pure Russian). I can understand 100%, but actually speaking like the locals is quite a bit harder. It's like speaking English dialects, e.g. redneck or ebonics - it's easy to understand, not so easy to speak. I didn't know that the mutual intelligibility of Ukrainian and Russian was so extensive. Well, one needs some practice. Remember Pikeys from "Snatch"? It's kinda like that. You won't get all of it right away, but quickly learn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ySyBMTo-1sc Is the attitude of considering modern spoken Ukrainian to be, in large part, a mixture of Russian commonplace?
It's interesting that you would imagine such a thing as "pure" Ukrainian. As if any language could be said to be "pure" by an objective standard. lol[ You misunderstand. Central Ukraine, by and large, preferentially speaks surzhik, which is a dialect that mixes Russian and Ukrainian. Like Creole, or Yiddish, or something. 
The whole Russian/Ukrainian language business is kinda messy, and has a history that many idiots argued over in the course of the past 150 years. It's like Serbian and Croatian suddenly becoming different languages when Croats and Serbs decided to have a war. I could read a brief lecture on it, but don't have the time for that much typing right now ). If a couple people ask, I could rant into the mike for 20 min and put it on Youtube, that's much quicker than typing. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 8:38:49 PM EDT
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Fuck Fareed Zakericrieiria. Fuck his anti gun bullshit. Hilarious he thought the American left's snide brand of bullshit reporting would fly infront of anyone from a country that doesn't buy into the leftist feelz bullshit.
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Posted: 10/28/2016 8:51:11 PM EDT
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You misunderstand. Central Ukraine, by and large, preferentially speaks surzhik, which is a dialect that mixes Russian and Ukrainian. Like Creole, or Yiddish, or something. http://storage1b.censor.net.ua/images/4/9/b/c/49bc204a35d821ff3655bd3102eaa438/original.jpg The whole Russian/Ukrainian language business is kinda messy, and has a history that many idiots argued over in the course of the past 150 years. It's like Serbian and Croatian suddenly becoming different languages when Croats and Serbs decided to have a war. I could read a brief lecture on it, but don't have the time for that much typing right now ). If a couple people ask, I could rant into the mike for 20 min and put it on Youtube, that's much quicker than typing. Please do!. As a linguistic myself, all of this is very interesting to me. My focus is Czech and Slovak, however, I studied Russian translation along with Slavic linguistics back in college. I have heard of Surzhyk, but it was my understanding that a far smaller percentage of Ukraine spoke it. 
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Posted: 10/28/2016 9:38:40 PM EDT
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with trump he gets someone who has never been involved with politics and who has expressed interest in becoming less involved in issues outside of the us. not that i disagree, but from putin's standpoint, trump is the more likely candidate to either give putin what he wants or be less able to deal with the former kgb agent.. or both I don't think you're wrong. But, The problem with that analysis is that the Clinton's can be bought. This makes it a push on Trump - Clinton. I think the Russians prefer Trump because Clinton has been military adventurous in the past. Libya did really destabilize M.E. This became a Russian problem. |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 9:45:19 PM EDT
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Putin knows a Trump win is good for Russia, there will be a move to good relations and money to be made for Russia
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Posted: 10/28/2016 9:56:00 PM EDT
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Putin knows a Trump win is good for Russia, there will be a move to good relations and money to be made for Russia Trump will bring a reset button? |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 10:06:32 PM EDT
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There is going to be one hell of a reset button when Putin pulls down Trump's pants to humiliate him in front of the whole school.
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Posted: 10/28/2016 10:16:17 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/28/2016 10:17:48 PM EDT
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There is going to be one hell of a reset button when Putin pulls down Trump's pants to humiliate him in front of the whole school. K-den................ |
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Posted: 10/28/2016 10:50:00 PM EDT
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"I say Trump colorful guy, Americanski is not democracy, is big meddling bully, we poor little Russia minding our own businesses." Pretty much. I can't think of the right word for it but he has an uncanny ability to agrandize himself in other peoples minds, that trait is what imo makes him dangerous. |
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Posted: 10/29/2016 5:24:33 AM EDT
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There is going to be one hell of a reset button when Putin pulls down Trump's pants to humiliate him in front of the whole school. I'm clinging to the hope/delusion that Trump is smarter than he lets on. |
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