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Posted: 2/7/2013 12:58:24 PM EDT

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That's BS with some truth sprinkled into it. The only thing I saw that backs anything up in that list, is that there was an article about magpul having something like a 1 million backorder.

S&W makes far more than 300 guns a day.

Posted: 2/7/2013 12:59:13 PM EDT

[#2]

1 billion rounds produced weekly?

Posted: 2/7/2013 1:00:43 PM EDT

[#3]

I have friends who just now got into guns. I told them they would have to turn them in soon- just to see what they say. All of them, fuck that.

Posted: 2/7/2013 1:04:32 PM EDT

[#4]

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how many mags can magpul churn out in a day?

Go to their industry forum and ask?

They don't disclose this information.

Posted: 2/7/2013 1:04:47 PM EDT

[#5]

I'm glad I stocked up so much earlier in 2012. Wish I had bought more 5.56 blasting ammo, but I've got plenty of 5.45 and 7.62 to keep my AKs running for a while, and that's without even touching my SHTF stash.

Posted: 2/7/2013 1:09:12 PM EDT

[#6]

I know a person that took the factory tour of a well-known premium bullet manufacturer this week.

According to the tech there, they are running 20 hours a day (2.5 shifts.) They have 20-30 different bullet lines, and they produce 32k bullets per shift.

They have little stock, and back orders into 2014.

Posted: 2/7/2013 1:09:39 PM EDT

[#7]

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Talked to a Remington Sales Rep today. He said that all Remington Factories are running 3 shifts, 24/7. They are producing as much ammo and guns as they can.

He said that .22 ammo will be a long time away from getting back to where you see it on the shelves. Saying that a lot of stores who usually buy $100,000 a year, are putting in orders for $1,000,000 worth of ammo and that they would be lucky to get any of it within this next year. He said the Rem plant in Arkansas is pumping as much ammo as it can produce....at a rate he has never seen before.

He also said that Remington sent out a letter to all suppliers yesterday stating that there will be a price increase on all guns and ammo on April 1st.

It was interesting that he said that they have not raised any prices at all since this began....still selling Bushmasters at the same price they were before panic. He said ammo actually was supossed to go down in price January 1st, but then all of this happened.

He said that he thinks this will pass and the market will be flooded with guns and ammo sometime this year.

Take it for what its worth. He's been in the gun business for over 30 years

Well that makes sense.

It really doesn't take too much extra demand to produce a complete sell-out.

nobody is going to warehouse a year's supply of extra product in order to account for the weird panic buyouts that happen from time to time

I'm thinking that the shortages will last a year, that's about how long the shortage lasted when king unicorn rider first got elected

Posted: 2/7/2013 1:25:21 PM EDT

[#8]

fuck yea America, we need a well armed militia to provide for the common defense

Posted: 2/7/2013 1:56:10 PM EDT

[#9]

I support all citizens buying their first AR.

The talk of gun legislation really hits home when you look in the closet and see what might be banned.

Posted: 2/7/2013 1:56:51 PM EDT

[#10]

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All started by one loony retard in CT.

Wrong. It was started by a bunch of socialist politicians who have embraced the philosophy of "let no good crisis go to waste" to further their socialist agenda.

Posted: 2/7/2013 2:00:16 PM EDT

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1 billion rounds produced weekly? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PrvQzCwG63k/T2Z9fpQ-OOI/AAAAAAAAA1o/iGzc2P7v9MY/s1600/friday-damn-gif.gif

CCI makes 4 million rounds of rimfire daily.

Posted: 2/7/2013 2:08:27 PM EDT

[#12]

Para bellum

Posted: 2/7/2013 2:12:16 PM EDT

[#13]

It fo time?

Posted: 2/7/2013 2:18:05 PM EDT

[#14]

The primer news blows..I need small pistol primers.

Anyone know if I can load 9mm with small rifle primers? I've got a shit ton of those.

Posted: 2/7/2013 2:23:56 PM EDT

[#15]

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NFA approvals are about 10-12 months...

Fucking dammit

Posted: 2/7/2013 2:50:05 PM EDT

[#16]

Military and LE sucking most of a billion rounds weekly? BS unless we're selling it to more than just the US military.

Also I doubt the US .mil and LE is buying, Wolf, silver bear and Aluminum cased ammo

Posted: 2/7/2013 3:41:50 PM EDT

[#17]

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how many mags can magpul churn out in a day?

Rephrase that like a wood chuck chucking wood please

How many mags can Magpul chuck if Magpul could chuck mags?

How many mags can Magpul pull if Magpul could pull mags?

Posted: 2/7/2013 3:51:52 PM EDT

[#18]

Old News
I received an E-mail last week about this.

Posted: 2/7/2013 4:10:43 PM EDT

[#19]

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All started by one loony retard in CT.

No........it was this guy. He opened his mouth and $%^* came out.

Aloha, Mark

Posted: 2/7/2013 4:13:04 PM EDT

[#20]

I don't believe for a second that Smith and Wesson only has a capacity of 300 firearms/day. I work in a manufacturing setting. It's a small factory making things WAY more complex than a firearm and we produce more units than that in a day.

300/day is like saying that their capacity is only enough to sell 6 guns in each of the 50 states each day....and not counting weekends.

Posted: 2/7/2013 4:17:48 PM EDT

[#21]

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I don't believe for a second that Smith and Wesson only has a capacity of 300 firearms/day. I work in a manufacturing setting. It's a small factory making things WAY more complex than a firearm and we produce more units than that in a day.

300/day is like saying that their capacity is only enough to sell 6 guns in each of the 50 states each day....and not counting weekends.

Let me say that I do not know how many firearms per day S&W can produce. But I bet they are only geared up to manufacture just enough to meet demand during non panic buying periods. 300 may be the magical number.

Posted: 2/7/2013 4:21:02 PM EDT

[#22]

Same here.............I have alot of everything except '06 for the Garand, .30 carbine and .308 for the FAL, and I am working on that slowly but surely...............until then I am not shooting much at all to conserve

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So basically the panic will continue for 6 to 9 months. That's about how long I expected it to take back when all this started.

maybe maybe not. Some folks may cancel orders if AWB fails.
8-9 months if everything stays as is. if demand stays then 8-9 months out on what you order from here until demand drops.

To be balanced out by those (

) waiting for things to cool down. It's going to be a tug of war between the cancelations and the "Never Again" crowd.

Crap, I'm down to my last 20 Super Colibris for varmint control. The only other thing I'm remotely short of is .22LR and when things get back to whatever "normal" is going to be I'm going to jump in with both feet.

Posted: 2/7/2013 4:26:06 PM EDT

[#23]

Anyone else find it hard to believe Smith and Wesson can only pump out 300 guns a day? They've got 300 different models!

Posted: 2/7/2013 4:33:43 PM EDT

[#24]

He said that he thinks this will pass and the market will be flooded with guns and ammo sometime this year.

Giggity.

Posted: 2/7/2013 4:34:51 PM EDT

[#25]

yeah that seemed to be some BS and truth mixed together.

magpul and ammo mfgs 6-9 months behind - true

LWRC cant get quality steel - bs

SW producing only 300 guns a day - bs

reloading components going to ammo first - truth

Posted: 2/7/2013 4:47:06 PM EDT

[#26]

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how many mags can magpul churn out in a day?

Gazillions

Nope, they said oodles.

Posted: 2/7/2013 4:54:54 PM EDT

[#27]

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I am seeing the same thing the OP posted other places inthe internet.

Come on! S&W producing 300 guns a day? They produce WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than that in one day.
8nBAIT

Sounds to me like it's "300 ARs per day." I read this report over two weeks ago and it was referring to just AR production where it was posted, so I took those numbers to mean just AR-variants from S&W.

Posted: 2/7/2013 5:25:12 PM EDT

[#28]

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I am seeing the same thing the OP posted other places inthe internet.

Come on! S&W producing 300 guns a day? They produce WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY more than that in one day.
8nBAIT

Sounds to me like it's "300 ARs per day." I read this report over two weeks ago and it was referring to just AR production where it was posted, so I took those numbers to mean just AR-variants from S&W.

I would go with the part in red, the dealers here all seem to have one M&P 15 in stock. It will cost you $1600-1800 but they all have one in stock.

Posted: 2/7/2013 6:30:22 PM EDT

[#29]

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I don't believe for a second that Smith and Wesson only has a capacity of 300 firearms/day. I work in a manufacturing setting. It's a small factory making things WAY more complex than a firearm and we produce more units than that in a day.

300/day is like saying that their capacity is only enough to sell 6 guns in each of the 50 states each day....and not counting weekends.

Let me say that I do not know how many firearms per day S&W can produce. But I bet they are only geared up to manufacture just enough to meet demand during non panic buying periods. 300 may be the magical number.

In 2011 S&W made:

406,151 pistols and 237,646 revolvers in Springfield, MA, and 56,527 pistols in Houlton, ME

700,324 handguns / 52 = 13,467 per week. (Plus 156,705 rifles & receivers.)

http://www.atf.gov/statistics/download/afmer/2011-final-firearms-manufacturing-export-report.pdf

Posted: 2/7/2013 6:38:34 PM EDT

[#30]

Says fucking you

Posted: 2/7/2013 6:43:08 PM EDT

[#31]

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All started by one loony retard in CT. the Whitehouse.

FIFY

Posted: 2/7/2013 6:57:47 PM EDT

[#32]

This isn't a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war.

Made my hair stand on end.

Posted: 2/7/2013 6:59:55 PM EDT

[#33]

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Glock allegedly has an 800,000+ pistol backorder.

Posted: 2/7/2013 7:08:26 PM EDT

[#34]

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Even Colt can't buy Bolt Carriers.

1 billion rounds per week and 1 million pmags behind....I like where this is heading.

You'd think colt could machine their own but I guess not

Posted: 2/7/2013 7:16:54 PM EDT

[#35]

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how many mags can magpul churn out in a day?

A lot. It's molded plastic with a bent, tempered wire inside. I'd bet magpul catches up way before firearms mfgs. Obviously they have their limits and making more molds to speed production takes time, but the wire spring part is bent and cut by a robot and probably tempered by one as well, if not in large batches at once. There's no shortage of plastic and steel wire so they should be able to speed up without anything stopping them supply wise. Hopefully they have enough quality control guys to check all their new frenzied production. Would suck to finally get those mags delivered that I ordered and they're shit quality.

Posted: 2/7/2013 7:33:49 PM EDT

[#36]

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Quality control is gonna suffer.

Yep. When ammo QC suffers that is worrisome. I'll continue to roll my own for the time being.

Posted: 2/7/2013 7:36:31 PM EDT

[#37]

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Glock allegedly has an 800,000+ pistol backorder.

A Glock is easier to get than a true grenade....

I still see glocks for sale all over the Internet. In stock. New, used, etc. Glocks are fav's of LEO just like 40s&w ammo and whaddaya still see on wally world's shelves? Birdshot and 40 s&w. Hell I was at a few local pawn shops this week nosing around and saw plenty of glocks. Few cheapo s&w sigma series nib, lots of revolvers, tons of bolt actions and shotguns. I'd wager industry shifts from making a balanced line to making as many semi auto pistols and rifles as possible. And I 2nd the bullshit call on shortage of gunmetal. It's just steel of a particular alloy and hardness and it's abundant for more than guns. People who make quality fasteners use the same types of steel and this time of the year when construction is slow they aren't using that much of the supply. Steel mills monitor what's in demand and if there's a shortage of 4140 steel in certain shapes then they make more to sell more!

Posted: 2/7/2013 7:40:09 PM EDT

[#38]

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how many mags can magpul churn out in a day?

A lot. It's molded plastic with a bent, tempered wire inside. I'd bet magpul catches up way before firearms mfgs. Obviously they have their limits and making more molds to speed production takes time, but the wire spring part is bent and cut by a robot and probably tempered by one as well, if not in large batches at once. There's no shortage of plastic and steel wire so they should be able to speed up without anything stopping them supply wise. Hopefully they have enough quality control guys to check all their new frenzied production. Would suck to finally get those mags delivered that I ordered and they're shit quality.

This. I dunno if they've got an automated assembly process--probably not--but they should be able to crank out mags at an obscene rate, and can scale up well as they make more molds. Set up some card tables and hire some temp workers to do assembly.

S&W made 157K rifles last year and it looks like about all they make is AR pattern rifles. That means over 4K rifles per day for 365 days a year.

I don't believe FN was at 50% capacity. Demand was high before this.

I doubt very much that supply will get caught up before the end of the year. EVERYTHING is gone. I went into the LGS a few weeks back and there was nothing but cowboy pistols and high end 1911's left.

I doubt very much that LWRC is making barrels from steel. Machining barrel blanks, maybe, but I doubt even that for a maker of their size. More likely they're buying rifled barrels from a vendor.

Posted: 2/7/2013 7:42:42 PM EDT

[#39]

I would like to know when is Hi-Point and Raven going to ramp up production?

Shit, I cannot find one in any liquor store in South Central LA.

Posted: 2/7/2013 7:51:43 PM EDT

[#40]

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Suppose asking for a source is too much...

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2013/01/update-status-of-gun-industry.html

Posted: 2/7/2013 7:58:24 PM EDT

[#41]

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no source

source required confidentiality, sorry

Posted: 2/7/2013 8:07:32 PM EDT

[#42]

OK Ill add my two cents of insider info.

Barrel maker, runs annually 750 - 1 mill annual sales. Has accepted orders for 10 mill for this year ALREADY. Moving to a larger production facility, and concurrently ordering a bunch more machinery to meet the demand. At least three plus months before production gets on track.

Posted: 2/7/2013 8:08:49 PM EDT

[#43]

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1 billion rounds produced weekly? http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PrvQzCwG63k/T2Z9fpQ-OOI/AAAAAAAAA1o/iGzc2P7v9MY/s1600/friday-damn-gif.gif

CCI makes 4 million rounds of rimfire daily.

and Remington and Winchester and several others probably make 4x that each daily

Posted: 2/7/2013 8:15:07 PM EDT

[#44]

Posted: 2/7/2013 8:17:45 PM EDT

[#45]

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how many mags can magpul churn out in a day?

A lot. It's molded plastic with a bent, tempered wire inside. I'd bet magpul catches up way before firearms mfgs. Obviously they have their limits and making more molds to speed production takes time, but the wire spring part is bent and cut by a robot and probably tempered by one as well, if not in large batches at once. There's no shortage of plastic and steel wire so they should be able to speed up without anything stopping them supply wise. Hopefully they have enough quality control guys to check all their new frenzied production. Would suck to finally get those mags delivered that I ordered and they're shit quality.

This. I dunno if they've got an automated assembly process--probably not--but they should be able to crank out mags at an obscene rate, and can scale up well as they make more molds. Set up some card tables and hire some temp workers to do assembly.

S&W made 157K rifles last year and it looks like about all they make is AR pattern rifles. That means over 4K rifles per day for 365 days a year.

I don't believe FN was at 50% capacity. Demand was high before this.

I doubt very much that supply will get caught up before the end of the year. EVERYTHING is gone. I went into the LGS a few weeks back and there was nothing but cowboy pistols and high end 1911's left.

I doubt very much that LWRC is making barrels from steel. Machining barrel blanks, maybe, but I doubt even that for a maker of their size. More likely they're buying rifled barrels from a vendor.

157k/365 is 430

Posted: 2/7/2013 8:19:19 PM EDT

[#46]

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The primer news blows..I need small pistol primers.

Anyone know if I can load 9mm with small rifle primers? I've got a shit ton of those.

I have before with no issues.

Posted: 2/7/2013 8:23:44 PM EDT

[#47]

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OK Ill add my two cents of insider info.

Barrel maker, runs annually 750 - 1 mill annual sales. Has accepted orders for 10 mill for this year ALREADY. Moving to a larger production facility, and concurrently ordering a bunch more machinery to meet the demand. At least three plus months before production gets on track.

so he had to order 10x the steel, multiply by every barrel maker and I could see a shortage

I know getting Carpentier sp. steel for bolts is a bitch, you have to order 100k lbs to get it at a reasonable price, and they only make batches several times a year