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Posted: 2/16/2013 8:18:53 PM EDT

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He's asking for details folks!
Since Obamacare was passed my ins went from $365 a month to $135 a month, I was still under 26 and in grad school and was able to go back in my parents plan from my own bcbs, Then it went to $156 after I turned 26, same bennies 1k deduct, 2k out of pocket and then 1mill max pay covered from ins. Now 100% covered by employer through community care. I don't like all the policies that happened with Obama care but good chunk was aimed at helping kids my age especially with the whole student loan section.

You aren't a kid in college. Maybe if young adults act like young adults supporting themselves they wouldn't expect so much *help*.

eta- trying to correct bad, bad sentence structure

I apologize for the poor sentence structure, I thought the use of pronouns and adjectives was appropriate for that sentence. And the mean age on arf seems to be the same as my office referring to anyone under 30 seemed appropriate. Also I don't quite understand what you are hinting at in the young adults need to act like young adults, please elaborate.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:21:09 PM EDT

[#2]

Check this out if you think what you pay now is expensive: Cheapest Obama Care Insurance Plan $20,000 per year

I would go into a detailed explanation of how Obamacare will effect you, but it would be a LONG explanation.

Yes, you are correct, something needs to be done. That something however was NOT Obamacare. Lets at least talk tort reform, drug tests/community service for able-bodied welfare recipients first and then we'll go from there.

Under Obamacare there will HAVE to be rationing. That's the only reasonable conclusion when you're talking about the fed government subsidizing insurance for people in a country the size of ours. I prioritize my care to patients every time I go to work, and the fed government will do the same just on a whole different level.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:21:10 PM EDT

[#3]

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We just got the cobra thing for my wife's old job. $1700 month for the family.

no shit.

Yep.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:25:08 PM EDT

[#4]

Quoted:

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He's asking for details folks!
Since Obamacare was passed my ins went from $365 a month to $135 a month, I was still under 26 and in grad school and was able to go back in my parents plan from my own bcbs, Then it went to $156 after I turned 26, same bennies 1k deduct, 2k out of pocket and then 1mill max pay covered from ins. Now 100% covered by employer through community care. I don't like all the policies that happened with Obama care but good chunk was aimed at helping kids my age especially with the whole student loan section.

You aren't a kid in college. Maybe if young adults act like young adults supporting themselves they wouldn't expect so much *help*.

eta- trying to correct bad, bad sentence structure

I apologize for the poor sentence structure, I thought the use of pronouns and adjectives was appropriate for that sentence. And the mean age on arf seems to be the same as my office referring to anyone under 30 seemed appropriate. Also I don't quite understand what you are hinting at in the young adults need to act like young adults, please elaborate.

I was referring to my edit on my sentence structure. Not yours.

Under the age of 30 is a kid? WTF?

I didn't hint at anything. Not that long ago being a young adult meant taking financial responsibility for yourself. Not expecting to live at the same level of comfort your did with mommy and daddy. When did it become okay to be too soft to move out until you could have everything that your parents worked years to have?

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:25:23 PM EDT

[#5]

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Check this out if you think what you pay now is expensive: Cheapest Obama Care Insurance Plan $20,000 per year

I would go into a detailed explanation of how Obamacare will effect you, but it would be a LONG explanation.

Yes, you are correct, something needs to be done. That something however was NOT Obamacare. Lets at least talk tort reform, drug tests/community service for able-bodied welfare recipients first and then we'll go from there.

Under Obamacare there will HAVE to be rationing. That's the only reasonable conclusion when you're talking about the fed government subsidizing insurance for people in a country the size of ours. I prioritize my care to patients every time I go to work, and the fed government will do the same just on a whole different level.

Not to play devils advocate but wouldn't the cheapest for a family of four be $10k cause of the $2500 fine per person?

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:26:03 PM EDT

[#6]

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I'm self employed, perfect health 50 years old

Also self-employed, 53 years old.

I buy my own from BlueCross.

Same here.

I'm currently paying over 9k for my health insurance.

I'm currently paying less than $270/month for mine. That's under $3.2K per year.

What's different? You got a plan that covers every sniffle, maybe?

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:28:27 PM EDT

[#7]

Quoted:

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Check this out if you think what you pay now is expensive: Cheapest Obama Care Insurance Plan $20,000 per year

I would go into a detailed explanation of how Obamacare will effect you, but it would be a LONG explanation.

Yes, you are correct, something needs to be done. That something however was NOT Obamacare. Lets at least talk tort reform, drug tests/community service for able-bodied welfare recipients first and then we'll go from there.

Under Obamacare there will HAVE to be rationing. That's the only reasonable conclusion when you're talking about the fed government subsidizing insurance for people in a country the size of ours. I prioritize my care to patients every time I go to work, and the fed government will do the same just on a whole different level.

Not to play devils advocate but wouldn't the cheapest for a family of four be $10k cause of the $2500 fine per person?

From my understanding of how its supposed to work (if I'm reading what you're saying right) is that even if you pay the penalty, for a family of four it would be $10,000, but I do not believe that that then buys you any coverage. I could be wrong, but that's how I've understood it. So in essence, you would pay the "tax" for the family, and then still be expected to get a plan on top of it.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:29:43 PM EDT

[#8]

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I'm self employed, perfect health 50 years old

Also self-employed, 53 years old.

I buy my own from BlueCross.

Same here.

I'm currently paying over 9k for my health insurance.

I'm currently paying less than $270/month for mine. That's under $3.2K per year.

What's different? You got a plan that covers every sniffle, maybe?

Does your employer possibly subsidize a portion of that that you are or arent aware of?

eta: oooops NM , I reread it and I have been hittin the rum.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:31:51 PM EDT

[#9]

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They are using us self employed folks to subsidize everyone.

Huh? Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

Big companies have bargaining power with insurers. Insurers will sell them $5000 a head the same insurance an individual pay $10000 for.
You can Google it.

My taxes is paying health inusrance for people in the bloated public sector. My insurance premium is used to shore up the bottom line of the insurers who gave big employers cut throat rates. Bad situation for me.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:32:51 PM EDT

[#10]

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I was referring to my edit on my sentence structure. Not yours.

Under the age of 30 is a kid? WTF?

I didn't hint at anything. Not that long ago being a young adult meant taking financial responsibility for yourself. Not expecting to live at the same level of comfort your did with mommy and daddy. When did it become okay to be too soft to move out until you could have everything that your parents worked years to have?[/quote]

This is America and you are entitled to your opinions, how ever wrong you may be. I was offering examples of what I was paying in insurance. Not mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy weren't financially able to pay for shit for my college or after that ( grad school). I paid for my health insurance (in addition to everything else) since I was 18, it was cheaper for me to jump on their plan and me pay the increase in cost to them (my parents). So wouldn't that make me a young adult acting like a young adult paying my own way for things?

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:34:47 PM EDT

[#11]

I pay zero premium. put $200 a check before taxes into HSA.
I pay 100% of costs up to $5k. then I only pay 20% of costs up to $8k, then everything is covered.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:36:47 PM EDT

[#12]

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This is America and you are entitled to your opinions, how ever wrong you may be. I was offering examples of what I was paying in insurance. Not mommy and daddy. Mommy and daddy weren't financially able to pay for shit for my college or after that ( grad school). I paid for my health insurance (in addition to everything else) since I was 18, it was cheaper for me to jump on their plan and me pay the increase in cost to them (my parents). So wouldn't that make me a young adult acting like a young adult paying my own way for things?

No.

But thanks for permission to disagree with you even if you think I am wrong.

Passive aggressive much?

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:37:07 PM EDT

[#13]

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Not to play devils advocate but wouldn't the cheapest for a family of four be $10k cause of the $2500 fine per person?[/quote]

From my understanding of how its supposed to work (if I'm reading what you're saying right) is that even if you pay the penalty, for a family of four it would be $10,000, but I do not believe that that then buys you any coverage. I could be wrong, but that's how I've understood it. So in essence, you would pay the "tax" for the family, and then still be expected to get a plan on top of it.
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As my understanding you don't have to have coverage if you pay the fine, I believe the fine is to encourage more people to get health insurance. I could be wrong. If someone has a .gov site saying otherwise please post it.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:37:33 PM EDT

[#14]

I also checked out the healthcare.gov site a while ago which lets you search plans, and for my husband and myself (both nonsmokers) the cheapest plan could have cost us a little over $10,000 more a year above what we pay now. The coverage also sucked in comparison to the benefits I get us through my employer. Less coverage, a whole lot more expensive.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:38:21 PM EDT

[#15]

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I'm currently paying over 9k for my health insurance. I'm self employed,perfect health 50 years old. I buy my own from BlueCross. Its taking every dime I have left after taxes , food and housing.
My counterpart in Germany pays half as much for health insurance. I just think the American healthcare system isn't working. Something needs to be done.

Still don't know what ramification Obamacare has on me.

You are in perfect health, and pay 9,000 dollars for ... NOTHING?
Why ?
How many years have you been paying 9,000 dollars for... "Insurance"

I pay the Doctor when I require services. You seem to be paying when you DON'T require services.
One of us is doing this WRONG.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:39:41 PM EDT

[#16]

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He's asking for details folks!
Since Obamacare was passed my ins went from $365 a month to $135 a month, I was still under 26 and in grad school and was able to go back in my parents plan from my own bcbs, Then it went to $156 after I turned 26, same bennies 1k deduct, 2k out of pocket and then 1mill max pay covered from ins. Now 100% covered by employer through community care. I don't like all the policies that happened with Obama care but good chunk was aimed at helping kids my age especially with the whole student loan section.

You aren't a kid in college. Maybe if young adults act like young adults supporting themselves they wouldn't expect so much *help*.

eta- trying to correct bad, bad sentence structure

I apologize for the poor sentence structure, I thought the use of pronouns and adjectives was appropriate for that sentence. And the mean age on arf seems to be the same as my office referring to anyone under 30 seemed appropriate. Also I don't quite understand what you are hinting at in the young adults need to act like young adults, please elaborate.

You're 26 and your parents were still paying for your fucking health care? Shit dude, lol.

ETA saw you were just using their policy. Not much better.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:40:24 PM EDT

[#17]

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No.

But thanks for permission to disagree with you even if you think I am wrong.

Passive aggressive much?[/quote]

Oh please tell me how I am not acting like a young adult. Same benefits throughout the policy number changes. The only thing that change was the account number and cost(trying to stay on topic).

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:40:53 PM EDT

[#18]

I think I pay like 50 bucks a month. Thankfully I haven't had to deal with tricare yet since leavening A.D

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:41:08 PM EDT

[#19]

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Not to play devils advocate but wouldn't the cheapest for a family of four be $10k cause of the $2500 fine per person?

From my understanding of how its supposed to work (if I'm reading what you're saying right) is that even if you pay the penalty, for a family of four it would be $10,000, but I do not believe that that then buys you any coverage. I could be wrong, but that's how I've understood it. So in essence, you would pay the "tax" for the family, and then still be expected to get a plan on top of it.

As my understanding you don't have to have coverage if you pay the fine, I believe the fine is to encourage more people to get health insurance. I could be wrong. If someone has a .gov site saying otherwise please post it.

You are correct that you don't have to have coverage if you pay the fine. From what I've read as well however the fines start out "cheap" and then become more cumbersome each consecutive year you don't have insurance. It's purposely set up so that the fines are cheaper than the insurance for a certain number of years (I want to say the year that the fines go way up is 2016).

Edit: Okay, so I'm looking at the bill real quick. Under the penalties section which starts on page 74 of the bill, there's a section D - "Annual Fee increase" - "The amount of the penalty fee imposed under this subsection shall be increased on an annual basis by the annual percentage increase in total national health care expenditures, as determined by the Secretary." Just a few pages later on page 78 it states "Any amount of a penalty fee assessed against a health plan under this subsection for which payment has not been made by the due date provided under sub-paragraph (C) shall be - (ii) treated as a past-due, legally enforceable debt owed to a Federal agency for purposes of section 6402(d) of the Internal Revenue Code of 1986."

...so looks like there could be pretty harsh penalties to those who are unable to cough up the cash....

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:41:14 PM EDT

[#20]

9k a year is stupid. Buy a bare bones policy and pay out of pockets for Dr visits if any.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:41:43 PM EDT

[#21]

5200 bucks a year, BCBS HMO, through my employer. My wife and son are on my plan...It's pretty decent coverage. My rotator cuff tear and shoulder decompression cost me all of $250 last year.
Never saw a bill on the whole deal, but I'd guess that'd likely cost every bit of what I paid in premiums?

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:42:02 PM EDT

[#22]

When in history has the thought process "Hey, things are kinda broken right now
... lets fix it with socialism..." worked out well.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:42:22 PM EDT

[#23]

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You're 26 and your parents were still paying for your fucking health care? Shit dude, lol.
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Keep reading the thread.....

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:43:05 PM EDT

[#24]

2400 a year

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:43:29 PM EDT

[#25]

Two years ago before Obamacare kicked in my premiums were 40% LOWER. My co-pay went from $12 to $17 on top of that.

The government can't just create something (other than misery and debt) so they have to take money from me to pay to someone who's not going to pay for their healthcare.

Simple.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:43:55 PM EDT

[#26]

Our healthcare needs reform.

Obamacare wasn't the answer.

Health insurance is about shared risk. Those of us insuring ourselves, are "risking" from a smaller pool while paying for the FSA and Obamacare recipients.

Should you actually want to pay less, push for tort reform, a massive reducing in class action, illegal alien penalties, and punishment for ER frequent fliers.

Right now, the ER collects around 8 dollars from every patient.

That's where your money is going. My health insurance is basically cancer insurance now. I just can't afford to pay for every idiot who thinks single payer is a good idea. OP included.

It's been mentioned before that the normal person should use a bare bones and pay out of pocket.

One of my best friends is HIV positive and pays around 150k every year for his concierge doctor.

If you haven't made poor life choices, the cost is significantly less to manage your own health vs begging someone else to take the responsibility.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:44:02 PM EDT

[#27]

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I'm currently paying over 9k for my health insurance. I'm self employed,perfect health 50 years old. I buy my own from BlueCross. Its taking every dime I have left after taxes , food and housing.
My counterpart in Germany pays half as much for health insurance. I just think the American healthcare system isn't working. Something needs to be done.

Still don't know what ramification Obamacare has on me.

You are in perfect health, and pay 9,000 dollars for ... NOTHING?
Why ?
How many years have you been paying 9,000 dollars for... "Insurance"

I pay the Doctor when I require services. You seem to be paying when you DON'T require services.
One of us is doing this WRONG.

So ..uh...... you don't have insurance. When catastrophe happen you let my taxes pay your healthcare cost ?

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:45:04 PM EDT

[#28]

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Quoted:
They are using us self employed folks to subsidize everyone.

Huh? Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

Big companies have bargaining power with insurers. Insurers will sell them $5000 a head the same insurance an individual pay $10000 for.
You can Google it.

My taxes is paying health inusrance for people in the bloated public sector. My insurance premium is used to shore up the bottom line of the insurers who gave big employers cut throat rates. Bad situation for me.

I can google chem trails too, that doesn't mean that there is a tome of accurate information on the subject.

I'm just trying to get this straight...you are saying that insurance companies lose money on big clients because they bid themselves low to be competitive and make up for the difference by charging higher premiums to individual purchasers?

If the free market isn't the answer here, then what is?

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:45:53 PM EDT

[#29]

I chose my job wisely

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:46:43 PM EDT

[#30]

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You're 26 and your parents were still paying for your fucking health care? Shit dude, lol.
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Keep reading the thread.....[/quote]

Oh no, I did. I'm just more concerned about the rest of us getting fucked in the ass than all the bennies you picked up. BTW I'm your age.

Reminds me of a union meeting. "Dude, we just picked up another $1.50 an hr." "So who's out of a job to pay for it?"

Hint: socialists never ask that last question.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:48:04 PM EDT

[#31]

Quoted:

Quoted:

They are using us self employed folks to subsidize everyone.

Huh? Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

Big companies have bargaining power with insurers. Insurers will sell them $5000 a head the same insurance an individual pay $10000 for.

You can Google it.

My taxes is paying health inusrance for people in the bloated public sector. My insurance premium is used to shore up the bottom line of the insurers who gave big employers cut throat rates. Bad situation for me.

I can google chem trails too, that doesn't mean that there is a tome of accurate information on the subject.

I'm just trying to get this straight...you are saying that insurance companies lose money on big clients because they bid themselves low to be competitive and make up for the difference by charging higher premiums to individual purchasers?

If the free market isn't the answer here, then what is?

What about shared risk are you not understanding?

Larger policies share risk across a larger demographic. That means that, in a free market, they can average out the costs and usually offer the same product for a reduced price and maintain the same profit margin.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:48:22 PM EDT

[#32]

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I'm currently paying over 9k for my health insurance. I'm self employed,perfect health 50 years old. I buy my own from BlueCross. Its taking every dime I have left after taxes , food and housing.
My counterpart in Germany pays half as much for health insurance. I just think the American healthcare system isn't working. Something needs to be done.

Still don't know what ramification Obamacare has on me.

You are in perfect health, and pay 9,000 dollars for ... NOTHING?
Why ?
How many years have you been paying 9,000 dollars for... "Insurance"

I pay the Doctor when I require services. You seem to be paying when you DON'T require services.
One of us is doing this WRONG.

So ..uh...... you don't have insurance. When catastrophe happen you let my taxes pay your healthcare cost ?

Thats silly. Why would your tax dollars go for his health care and why would you care?

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:49:08 PM EDT

[#33]

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HealthNet from ehealthinsurance.com

I am 38 yr old healthy non-smoking male and mine is $240/mo with $1000 deductible, 80/20 coinsurance up to $3k then 100%. Other posters are correct, Obamacare is raising your premiums, not lowering.

Fuck Obama and Obamacare

If only they allowed cross state options, Arizona would have a lot of business

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:50:56 PM EDT

[#34]

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We just got the cobra thing for my wife's old job. $1700 month for the family.

no shit.

The good stuff costs

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:51:45 PM EDT

[#35]

Quoted:

Quoted:
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You're 26 and your parents were still paying for your fucking health care? Shit dude, lol.

Keep reading the thread.....[/quote]

Oh no, I did. I'm just more concerned about the rest of us getting fucked in the ass than all the bennies you picked up. BTW I'm your age.[/quote]

Didn't change one benefit, just the cost of insurance and I am 28 now working as a 2nd year mechanical engineer with 1.5 years left till I get my PE, the only person getting fucked is me on taxes since I make way to much to qualify for student loan deduction on my taxes. SO please tell me how I fucked you on anything?

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:51:50 PM EDT

[#36]

Insurance? When I have a medical problem I pay for it with my own money. Insurance was created to cover irresponsible people who don't plan ahead.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:53:03 PM EDT

[#37]

BC/BS as a state.gov employee.

Cost to me is $50/month... minus a $25 non-smoker discount and a $25 good health discount, so $0 out of pocket.

For now...

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:53:31 PM EDT

[#38]

Quoted:

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They are using us self employed folks to subsidize everyone.

Huh? Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

Big companies have bargaining power with insurers. Insurers will sell them $5000 a head the same insurance an individual pay $10000 for.
You can Google it.

My taxes is paying health inusrance for people in the bloated public sector. My insurance premium is used to shore up the bottom line of the insurers who gave big employers cut throat rates. Bad situation for me.

I can google chem trails too, that doesn't mean that there is a tome of accurate information on the subject.

I'm just trying to get this straight...you are saying that insurance companies lose money on big clients because they bid themselves low to be competitive and make up for the difference by charging higher premiums to individual purchasers?

If the free market isn't the answer here, then what is?

What about shared risk are you not understanding?

Larger policies share risk across a larger demographic. That means that, in a free market, they can average out the costs and usually offer the same product for a reduced price and maintain the same profit margin.

Sure, I understand how a group plan can cost less than an individual plan...but the initial statement was hat the insurers were actually losing money on the product they were selling to the group and making up for that (and then some) with individual policies.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:55:00 PM EDT

[#39]

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Insurance? When I have a medical problem I pay for it with my own money. Insurance was created to cover irresponsible people who don't plan ahead.

I like your style but something's you can't plan for with the rising cost of healthcare.

Posted: 2/16/2013 8:55:47 PM EDT

[#40]

Good god the ignorance about how insurance is priced is going to make my head explode.

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Posted: 2/16/2013 9:00:11 PM EDT

[#41]

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Your insurance premiums will go up every year until the point where private insurance companies won't be able to compete with the government.

Mine are going up 28% for this next year.

Also, Americans basically subsidize the rest of the world with R&D in pharmaceuticals and medical technology.

And stupid regulations regarding... well, everything.

Posted: 2/16/2013 9:03:58 PM EDT

[#42]

I have employer provided healthcare, I pay around 20% of the premium. This year was the first year the employer part was reflected on my W2. That scares me.

Posted: 2/16/2013 9:08:29 PM EDT

[#43]

Quoted:

Quoted:
They are using us self employed folks to subsidize everyone.

Huh? Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

Because this genius wants to get the same price a company with 50+ employees pay for bulk policies.

"HURR DURR I went to Walmart and their toilet rolls are more expensive than a 80 pack at Costco."

Posted: 2/16/2013 9:08:47 PM EDT

[#44]

OP, Obamacare will make your insurance costs INCREASE. Please stop getting your information from mass media, and educate yourself.

Posted: 2/16/2013 9:11:41 PM EDT

[#45]

Quoted:

Quoted:

They are using us self employed folks to subsidize everyone.

Huh? Please explain how you came to this conclusion.

Big companies have bargaining power with insurers. Insurers will sell them $5000 a head the same insurance an individual pay $10000 for.

You can Google it.

My taxes is paying health inusrance for people in the bloated public sector. My insurance premium is used to shore up the bottom line of the insurers who gave big employers cut throat rates. Bad situation for me.

I can google chem trails too, that doesn't mean that there is a tome of accurate information on the subject.

I'm just trying to get this straight...you are saying that insurance companies lose money on big clients because they bid themselves low to be competitive and make up for the difference by charging higher premiums to individual purchasers?

If the free market isn't the answer here, then what is?

What about shared risk are you not understanding?

Larger policies share risk across a larger demographic. That means that, in a free market, they can average out the costs and usually offer the same product for a reduced price and maintain the same profit margin.

Sure, I understand how a group plan can cost less than an individual plan...but the initial statement was hat the insurers were actually losing money on the product they were selling to the group and making up for that (and then some) with individual policies.

Gotcha sir.

It's just not how the conversation read.

Under the government system, we lose the ability to set our risk pool. He would be right. The healthy and the earners would be subsidizing people with poor life choices that should pay more (my business partner and friend with HIV is a great example. Despite making around 500k a year, he would reap the benefits of a single payer system).

In a free market, you are right.

The problem is that we are in between systems and the person who can actually pay feels like he's picking cotton.

Sorry if I came off rude, I'm still salty about actually paying my $8000.00 ER bill when the math works out that I was the only one that week that did.

Posted: 2/16/2013 9:15:00 PM EDT

[#46]

Where do I get my health insurance? My employer and I pay for it--I don't expect my fellow taxpayers to pay for my healthcare through the sweat of their brows. I'm apparently also an unusual woman in the eyes of someone like Sandra Fluke in that I buy my own birth control and don't expect Daddy Government or the Catholic Church to buy that for me.

Sure insurance is expensive, but that's a function of massive governmental control and meddling. If there were actual free market competition, my insurance coverage would be cheaper and better.

Posted: 2/16/2013 9:24:44 PM EDT

[#47]

Really want to pop a blood vessel? Go work in a hospital ER in So Cal for a little while and see what "insurance" illegals use.

Posted: 2/16/2013 9:28:55 PM EDT

[#48]

You're gonna have 30mil more patients and a crap load fewer doctors.

Thanks obama[/quote]

You realize this isn't happening right? Med schools are turning away applicants in record numbers, this could be due to the fact they want their rejections rates high to look "prestigious" but right now there is not a shortage of college kids wanting to be doctors.[/quote]

True, been this way for years. But it's also true that there are no "New" spots in med school to increase the number of doctors...that 30 million is going to put a huge hurt on the system with no new docs, nurses, techs or hospital beds in the pipeline to take up the slack. You could easily take the next 10% of applicants to med school and end up with some damn fine doctors. But there are no schools to train them

Posted: 2/16/2013 9:31:28 PM EDT

[#49]

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OP, Obamacare will make your insurance costs INCREASE. Please stop getting your information from mass media, and educate yourself.

Please allow me educate you first.

Obamacare requires everyone buy insurance. This creates the largest pool of insurance customers. The individual buyer today can ditch their policy ,join the 30million? new buyers. I suspect the rates will be lower than what I pay today.

Posted: 2/16/2013 9:31:41 PM EDT

[#50]

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Do you actually think that Obamacare is going to provide you with cheap/free and high quality healthcare? It's going to do exactly the opposite of that.

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Exactly the opposite of that is what we've had for the last 10 years. We were on an unsustainable course. Until the screamers admit that, it will be obvious they're not ready to contribute to the debate.

http://www.rand.org/pubs/research_briefs/RB9605.html#abstract

Health care costs nearly doubled between 1999 and 2009, which left the average 2009 family with only $95 more per month than in 1999. If costs had matched the consumer price index's rise, the average family would have an additional $450 per month.

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