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Posted: 7/21/2014 10:40:22 AM EDT
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I am getting the distinct impression a good percentage of ARFCom has never seen the Star Wars movies. "Lock S-foils to attack position" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That doesn't appear to be an X Wing at all, but rather a single wing craft. I am getting the distinct impression a good percentage of ARFCom has never seen the Star Wars movies. "Lock S-foils to attack position" I've seen the originals, once, about 20 years ago. The X-Wing is enough of a cultural icon to be recognizable. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 10:41:39 AM EDT
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That's my impression as well, the name of this movie is a giant red flag covered in flashing red neon lights.    
I'm expecting 2, and a half hours of kumbaiah, and gay hand holding while skipping down to the space welfare office to get some "free" money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Force for Change sounds like some Obama bullshit. Movie better not suck. That's my impression as well, the name of this movie is a giant red flag covered in flashing red neon lights.
I'm expecting 2, and a half hours of kumbaiah, and gay hand holding while skipping down to the space welfare office to get some "free" money. That's not the name of the movie. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 10:42:36 AM EDT
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Uh huh, then why does the Space Shuttle have wings then? I attribute it to having a diverse role of being both a space interceptor and an atmospheric fighter. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It looks retarded. Air intakes for spacecraft? I'm not a Star Wars fan, but are X-wings sapcecraft only? I thought I recalled seeing them flying in atmosphere in at least one scene. There's not reason they couldn't have airbreathing capabilities as well, is there? There's also the matter of human psychology. Spacecraft don't need "wings" either, but no one seems to have a problem with that. Uh huh, then why does the Space Shuttle have wings then? I attribute it to having a diverse role of being both a space interceptor and an atmospheric fighter. On the off chance you're not just being sarcastic, it's because the space shuttle was designed to land like a conventional airplane. There bottom was an ablative heat shield, and the wings provided enough lift for it to coast in and land horizontally. In contrast, consider the Apollo, Mercury, and Gemini command modules. They didn't have any sort of airfoil or control surface, because they were designed so that they needed attitude control only in vacuum. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 10:42:55 AM EDT
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Is it the name of the movie or just the stupid UNICEF campaign? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Force for Change sounds like some Obama bullshit. Movie better not suck. That's my impression as well, the name of this movie is a giant red flag covered in flashing red neon lights.
I'm expecting 2, and a half hours of kumbaiah, and gay hand holding while skipping down to the space welfare office to get some "free" money. Is it the name of the movie or just the stupid UNICEF campaign? Reading is for nerds. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:01:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The X-Wing being able to operate in a breathable atmosphere makes a lot more sense than the Millennium Falcon.  |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:06:58 AM EDT
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I have a good feeling about this considering how good the Trek reboot is, yeah its gonna be fuckin great! |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:13:30 AM EDT
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Why the hell is everyone considering he X-Wing an older design.
The Incom T-65 Space Superiority StarFighter was the newest design Incom had. The design team fled Incom and gave the plans and prototypes to the Rebels. It was originally intended to be marketed to the Empire to compete against Sienar Fleet Systems' TIE Fighter line. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:23:23 AM EDT
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Why the hell is everyone considering he X-Wing an older design. The Incom T-65 Space Superiority StarFighter was the newest design Incom had. The design team fled Incom and gave the plans and prototypes to the Rebels. It was originally intended to be marketed to the Empire to compete against Sienar Fleet Systems' TIE Fighter line. Wasn't the A-Wing the newest in Return Of The Jedi? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:27:22 AM EDT
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Also.... fuck your X-Wing, A-Wing, and B-Wing bitches!
TIE Defender FTMFW!    |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:27:48 AM EDT
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I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet, but hopefully he equips the Imperial Remnant with these:
If there is an Imperial Remnant.
J.J. if you're listening, I will kill you and your entire family if you fuck this up. ETA: DAMN, beaten by seconds! 
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:30:20 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wasn't the A-Wing the newest in Return Of The Jedi? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why the hell is everyone considering he X-Wing an older design. The Incom T-65 Space Superiority StarFighter was the newest design Incom had. The design team fled Incom and gave the plans and prototypes to the Rebels. It was originally intended to be marketed to the Empire to compete against Sienar Fleet Systems' TIE Fighter line. Wasn't the A-Wing the newest in Return Of The Jedi? But the X-Wing story wise wasn't an old bird.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:34:54 AM EDT
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I like the design.
What has me puzzled is the angle of the lighting for the shot. J.J and the X-Wing are casting a consistent shadow. However, when the canopy opens, the shadow it casts is literally a single line. Even full screen in 1080p, there doesn't appear to be any lighter shadow cast on the sand to imply light going through the canopy. Actually, after thinking about it, this was filmed between 11-1. That is the only time I believe where the Sun would be at the correct angle to cast a shadow from the upper left frame to the lower right frame and still have the lower left frame shadow on the body of the prop and not cast on the sand. There is in fact a very slight shadow on the sand, in addition to the frame shadow becoming slightly shorter as it rises. I have too much time on my hands. jeez |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:36:14 AM EDT
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One could hope that the remnants of the Empire hang around and grow again to screw with the rebellion
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I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet, but hopefully he equips the Imperial Remnant with these: http://d6holocron.com/wiki/images/thumb/9/94/TIE-D-Defender4.jpg/800px-TIE-D-Defender4.jpg If there is an Imperial Remnant.
J.J. if you're listening, I will kill you and your entire family if you fuck this up. ETA: DAMN, beaten by seconds! |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:36:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:47:13 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I can't believe this hasn't been posted yet, but hopefully he equips the Imperial Remnant with these: http://d6holocron.com/wiki/images/thumb/9/94/TIE-D-Defender4.jpg/800px-TIE-D-Defender4.jpg If there is an Imperial Remnant. J.J. if you're listening, I will kill you and your entire family if you fuck this up. ETA: DAMN, beaten by seconds! Your generic TIE grunt is just plain suicidal. And the TIE Defender jockey is bloodthirsty. But the TIE Interceptor pilot, he's suicidal and bloodthirsty. When you see a squad of those maniacs flying your way, you'd better hope your hyperdrive is operational." ?Kyle Katarn  |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 11:58:56 AM EDT
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I don't like it. The X-Wing is iconic. It should not be altered in any way, only faithfully reproduced. I'll give it a try - I was *POSITIVE* that I was going to hate the 'new' BSG when it came out, since it was a remake/re-imagining of the original `80s, but it grew on me. We'll see... |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:01:09 PM EDT
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The best part is he's using models for the ships......it was Star Wars that got me into model building...
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:17:21 PM EDT
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Oh come on. The only way the A-wing took out the Executor is that it crashed kamikaze-style directly into the bridge, on accident. If you take the bridge as a percentage of the surface area of that ship, the pilot won the lottery on his way out. Might be thinking of the wrong fight - but wasn't even that possible only because the shield-generator had been taken down? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:19:22 PM EDT
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Might be thinking of the wrong fight - but wasn't even that possible only because the shield-generator had been taken down? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh come on. The only way the A-wing took out the Executor is that it crashed kamikaze-style directly into the bridge, on accident. If you take the bridge as a percentage of the surface area of that ship, the pilot won the lottery on his way out. Might be thinking of the wrong fight - but wasn't even that possible only because the shield-generator had been taken down? Yeah, they lost the bridge deflector shield moments before the A-wing hit the bridge. If the shield had remained up for another 30 seconds, that A-wing woulda been just another unremarkable casualty. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:20:21 PM EDT
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Yeah, they lost the bridge deflector shield moments before the A-wing hit the bridge. If the shield had remained up for another 30 seconds, that A-wing woulda been just another unremarkable casualty. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Oh come on. The only way the A-wing took out the Executor is that it crashed kamikaze-style directly into the bridge, on accident. If you take the bridge as a percentage of the surface area of that ship, the pilot won the lottery on his way out. Might be thinking of the wrong fight - but wasn't even that possible only because the shield-generator had been taken down? Yeah, they lost the bridge deflector shield moments before the A-wing hit the bridge. If the shield had remained up for another 30 seconds, that A-wing woulda been just another unremarkable casualty. It was a 2 ship flight of A Wings that took out the bridge deflectors. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW_hGOFukMQ |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 12:53:02 PM EDT
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Red October standing by!
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Posted: 7/21/2014 1:04:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Oh come on. The only way the A-wing took out the Executor is that it crashed kamikaze-style directly into the bridge, on accident. If you take the bridge as a percentage of the surface area of that ship, the pilot won the lottery on his way out. http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111001153357/starwars/images/7/7d/FireandBrimstone.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The movie is 30 years after "Jedi." Shirley (heh) you would expect some sort of advancement and improvement of design in that time period? The advancement in design is to sell more toys or to show audiences something "different." The designs in IV-VI were perfect, IMO. (except for the A-Wing) If this is a new ship, it's not that bad. I just hope they keep the X-Wing the same. At least it's not drastically different, and they've kept the same hull. Don't be shit talking my A-Wing. not only is it faster the Falcon, out runs Ties while the pilot gives them the finger, but it also brought down a Super Star Destroyer! What's the X-Wing done besides taking out one and half "space stations?" Oh come on. The only way the A-wing took out the Executor is that it crashed kamikaze-style directly into the bridge, on accident. If you take the bridge as a percentage of the surface area of that ship, the pilot won the lottery on his way out. http://static2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20111001153357/starwars/images/7/7d/FireandBrimstone.jpg After they intentionally took out the shields... Sheesh. You can bag on the A-wing if you want, but they are a capable craft. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 1:06:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Also, the "turbine" part of the engine is not even in the front, it is in the rear section, near the nozzle, so it is entirely possible to have a non-round intake and still have a circular turbine at the rear. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, how does a turbine spin when it's cut in half? Does it just reattach itself when the S-foils are closed? Whether practical or not, I think it looks plain ugly. The old design was better. IMO http://absolventi.gymcheb.cz/2008/tovins/obrazky/xwing.jpg You know it's impossible for a turbine to actually work in space, right? Work as in create thrust, that is. Yup.  |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 1:06:56 PM EDT
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No I don't think so looking at it. J.J. Abrams is going though a lot of trouble to make this movie, for lack of a better term, "real." Minimal use of CGI compared to Ep. 1-3. ETA: second look - maybe. The shadow of the X-Wing doesn't cast the same as his own. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Anyone else notice that that the nose, wings and the majority of the body of the X-Wing appears to be computer generated? At least it looks like that on my screen... No I don't think so looking at it. J.J. Abrams is going though a lot of trouble to make this movie, for lack of a better term, "real." Minimal use of CGI compared to Ep. 1-3. ETA: second look - maybe. The shadow of the X-Wing doesn't cast the same as his own. Lucas went through a lot of crap with the first star wars, it took a lot of ingenuity on part of him and the crew, and it payed off. Lucas than went and made the prequels as easily as possible and turned out shit. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 1:11:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2014 1:12:40 PM EDT
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Another example, the Falcon, Luke's X-wing, TIE fighters, and Fett's Slave 1 are all seen flying through Bespin's atmosphere just fine (Cloud City). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It looks retarded. Air intakes for spacecraft? I'm not a Star Wars fan, but are X-wings sapcecraft only? I thought I recalled seeing them flying in atmosphere in at least one scene. There's not reason they couldn't have airbreathing capabilities as well, is there? There's also the matter of human psychology. Spacecraft don't need "wings" either, but no one seems to have a problem with that. Lukes' X-wing in The Empire Strikes Back flies in atmosphere and crash lands on Dagoba. Entire squadrons of X-Wings take off from the rebel base at Yavin, which had a breathable atmosphere, and go directly up to shoot down the Death Star. Likewise, they take off from Hoth, another planet with a breathable atmosphere, and escort transports past the blockading Imperial fleet. Luke crash landing on Dagobah was because he just plowed into a fog layer that contained trees, like an imbecile. They're perfectly capable of atmospheric flight - if you believe the Expanded Universe novels, they're actually significantly better at it than TIE fighters (easy enough to believe, considering the giant vertical panels on either side of a TIE). As for the wings and the characteristic X-wing split, I've seen it explained as... in space, the only control surfaces you have is your thrust. By putting engines on pylons/stabilizers, they can get them further away from the craft's center of gravity, and so exert more turning force by varying thrust output of the engines. Splitting the wings for combat spreads the engines out further from each other, and gives the X-wing better maneuverability. Another example, the Falcon, Luke's X-wing, TIE fighters, and Fett's Slave 1 are all seen flying through Bespin's atmosphere just fine (Cloud City). The technology in star wars was never meant to be realistic. it was just to tell a story. Thats why its a sci-fi fantasy. The creators of star trek wanted realistic technologies that might be possible, and can be backed with science. The ship was the story. Star wars on the other hand, the ships were mainly just for transportation, and looking cool. And while ships were part of the story, they never were a driving force, only the characters. So how they worked, never really mattered. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 1:38:13 PM EDT
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Standing by. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:01:37 PM EDT
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I'm hoping the B - Wing gets some play in the new movies. What a magnificent ship. http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080929233344/starwars/images/thumb/6/62/Bwing-E2_egvv.jpg/479px-Bwing-E2_egvv.jpg fuck yo begger wing. Skipray or no play
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:04:26 PM EDT
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Lukes' X-wing in The Empire Strikes Back flies in atmosphere and crash lands on Dagoba. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It looks retarded. Air intakes for spacecraft? I'm not a Star Wars fan, but are X-wings sapcecraft only? I thought I recalled seeing them flying in atmosphere in at least one scene. There's not reason they couldn't have airbreathing capabilities as well, is there? There's also the matter of human psychology. Spacecraft don't need "wings" either, but no one seems to have a problem with that. Lukes' X-wing in The Empire Strikes Back flies in atmosphere and crash lands on Dagoba. Don't forget the entire force taking off from Yavin in Ep IV. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/0/02/Yavin-4-2.jpg |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:20:44 PM EDT
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Jar Jar Abrams will make many people cry: "George, we're sorry!"
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:22:51 PM EDT
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It's been too long...
Red Green, standing by! 
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:26:28 PM EDT
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Fucking TIE Defender looks so godsdamned fugly.
Of the "Expanded Universe" TIEs, the only one I really liked was the TIE Avenger.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:31:09 PM EDT
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My vast knowledge of Star Wars spacecraft was accumulated by playing every X-Wing and TIE Fighter ever made and piloting my own player built ship in SWG: Jump to Lightspeed. If I can be hopeful for one single thing that may be spawned by new movies is that among all the random clothing, toys, breakfast cereals and other merchandise we may get some more space combat sims. Of course, this could easily backfire with a game rushed through production to pander to console peasants.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:35:14 PM EDT
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My vast knowledge of Star Wars spacecraft was accumulated by playing every X-Wing and TIE Fighter ever made and piloting my own player built ship in SWG: Jump to Lightspeed. If I can be hopeful for one single thing that may be spawned by new movies is that among all the random clothing, toys, breakfast cereals and other merchandise we may get some more space combat sims. Of course, this could easily backfire with a game rushed through production to pander to console peasants. Indeed...I will both hope for and fear the possible outcomes. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:38:43 PM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kxH6YErAIgA
If they're doing a sequel, they need to improve things a bit. http://d6holocron.com/wiki/index.php?title=File:E-Wing6.jpg |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 2:47:47 PM EDT
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JJ couldn't just be happy jacking with Star Trek, now he's messing with Star Wars. Next thing, they will cast friggin Ben Affleck as Batman. Bigfeet |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:02:24 PM EDT
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JJ couldn't just be happy jacking with Star Trek, now he's messing with Star Wars. Next thing, they will cast friggin Ben Affleck as Batman. Bigfeet He did an excellent job with Star Trek. He'll do right by Star Wars. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:17:02 PM EDT
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 Standing by.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:19:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucking TIE Defender looks so godsdamned fugly. Of the "Expanded Universe" TIEs, the only one I really liked was the TIE Avenger.  |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:27:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Fucking TIE Defender looks so godsdamned fugly. Of the "Expanded Universe" TIEs, the only one I really liked was the TIE Avenger. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:33:14 PM EDT
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It's great to see actual, weathered/used props. But lord is that design retarded.
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:36:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: You shut your whore mouth! Quoted: Quoted: Fucking TIE Defender looks so godsdamned fugly. Of the "Expanded Universe" TIEs, the only one I really liked was the TIE Avenger. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:36:32 PM EDT
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Doesn't have any stabilizers to break loose, anyway; and I bet the designers of this variant just put a toggle switch in the cockpit to increase the power. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'd fly it. I wouldn't. Stupid thing is missing its R2 unit. Doesn't have any stabilizers to break loose, anyway; and I bet the designers of this variant just put a toggle switch in the cockpit to increase the power. Lol |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:38:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Of the "Expanded Universe" TIEs, the only one I really liked was the TIE Avenger. Quote HistoryQuoted: I said "expanded universe", Mr. ReadingIsFerFaggots. You know, all the non movie ones? So, the interceptor is not in the subset of TIEs I was talking about. For the record, the TIE/in is badass. And I am now expecting an apology to my whore mouth. Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Fucking TIE Defender looks so godsdamned fugly. Of the "Expanded Universe" TIEs, the only one I really liked was the TIE Avenger. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:44:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:45:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Looks like a Z-95 |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:46:44 PM EDT
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I love Star Wars, but it's a stupid sci-fi movie you fuckin geeks.
Also, the new ones will suck. I predict it |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:48:21 PM EDT
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Here is what I see and how I see it. If so, major failure though I will award minor points for not using CGI.
Meh, you might have to zoom it in. But, if too lazy, see below. 1. That vertical line?? There will be no wing splitting from that line to the fuselage. 2. That oval? Note the line running through it. That is where the wing splits. Not on the leading edge like before, but down the middle of the wing! 3. See how top/bottom friggin lasers curve down and up?? Wing split along line in oval, one half goes down, other half goes up. |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:51:19 PM EDT
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It looks retarded. Air intakes for spacecraft? They're atmospheric as well. Didn't you see EpVI? |
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Posted: 7/21/2014 3:51:38 PM EDT
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I'm going with Z-95X!   |
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